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BeetlemanEXE

I've often heard of the De Loys ape, but I never actually saw a photo of it. I saw it and I was shocked. I pulled out an old book of mine(not that old, just copyright 1992) called Strange Creatures, a book about strange animals that are proven to exist. I looked up Gigantopithecus, a nine-foot tall ape that's bones were first discovered in a Hong Kong pharmacy being sold as dragon bones. I looked at the illustration of the creature, then of the photo of the De Loys ape. The De Loys ape looked like a smaller version of Gigantopithecus, and the head was almost exactly the same. I would provide both pictures for comparison, but my HP Scanjet scanner isn't working right now.
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Apparently a small group attacked his men and and they killed this one, he commented on it's almost human like behaviour! Height about 5ft 6.

Missing Link Maybe?
BeetlemanEXE

I'm almost one-hundred percent positive that is a juvenile Gigantopithecus. It just looks shorter and much less hairy than the animal in my book, but besides that it is almost a perfect match!
Undead
How about giving us a picture of this Gigantopithecus then?
Undead
I found a pic

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It looks nothing like the De loys ape.
BeetlemanEXE

The pic I have is slightly different, and I would show it if my scanner were working. It looks a lot like it to me, only with longer hair. The De Loys ape is probably a juvenile female. It may look like it has a "male part" but it is actually a female organ that is similar to a spider monkey's. Also, Gigantopithicus' hair may not really be that long, since they really haven't seen any of it except the fossils.
SilverCougar
I still think it was some kinda spider monkey made out to be some extrodinary find...

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man_in_mudboots
indeed. it was just some large gibbon or spider monkey blown up to be something big, when it was only a curios......
doomgirl
cute looking fella's rolleyes.gif
Loque
That would make my friend. seventh very upset (He as a nack of being a monkey fanatic) His usuall logo is a really freaky Gibbon Smiling. But anyway the only way to tell would be to DNA test anything that was part or the poor Ape.
geeohn
wow, neat pictures is reminds me of that movie The planet of the Apes, all monkeys and apes attack people.
Seraphina
hmm...I think the arguement that it could be a young Gigantopithecus actually has some merit...

While it's true the picture of the Gigantopithecus has far more fur around the face and body, the fur patterns are an extrapolation, based on whatever the artist wanted to put in, and using them to judge the accuracy of an actual living creature is rather short sighted...not like the artist have a living, breathing Gigantopithecus in front of him to check tongue.gif The actual facial structures (based on the skull no doubt, which would likely be more true to life) are very similar between the two.

Notice the shape of the lower face...it's very wide and flat; something that both pics have in comman, but the picture of the Spider Monkey certainly does not. The greater apes exhibit this flatter face (humans, gorrillas, chimps, oranguatans and, if we're going to include him, Gigantopithecus) while monkeys usually have a slightly elongated snout.
doink
As Ivan Sanderson pointed out, the stick holding the primate upright is placed uder the chin, forcing the head to be tilted back and making the jaw, chin, and nose more prominent. Also the jaw may appear wider, but this could be because the lips are relaxed and wide open, because the poor creature is dead. At this angle it appears more "Ape" like, but if you look carefully and compare with the spider monkey they seem to be the same. Ivan Sanderson said it was a Spider monkey, here is the link:
http://www.icidal.com/xproject/archives/cr.../deloysape.html

Michael Shoemaker sees other primate characteristics, stating it resembles a Gibbon, along with the Spider monkey characteristics. Both Gibbons and Spider monkeys exhibit Brachiation, the ability to swing through trees.

However, Gigantopithecus was too large for Brachiation. Though the fossil evidence for Giganto consists only of a few jaws and over a thousand teeth, it's size has been estimated at 9 to 10 feet, 600 to 1200 pounds, depending on the sources. Too big to swing through trees. Also it had a massive jaw, like Gorillas or Orangutans. Here's a link on Gigantopithecus:
http://www.wynja.com/arch/gigantopithecus.html
Seraphina
To be honest, I'd say the jaw is far less prominant in the picture than it is for the spider monkey huh.gif

In any event, I'm not talking about the jaw, but the facial structure itself; especially the snouth. It's not so much that's relaxed in death, but the physical shape of it itself, and of the bones underneath.

Its limbs do look spider monkey-like...however, there the similarity really does end. Facially, there's really no resemblance at all, and there's no real reason to dismiss it as one tongue.gif
doink
But it is far from a Gigantopithecus.
Seraphina
Agreed tongue.gif Though we don't have a great deal to go on whether we're saying it is or not. Whatever it is though, it's certainly similar to some species of ape, but if anything it's a sort of jigsaw puzzle of a species, rather than anything we know tongue.gif

I'd consider the possibility that it, along with sasquatch and the like, are perhaps the decendants of Gigantopithecus and species like it. It's not too far fetched a concept to believe...

Of course, it's not impossible it's just a species of ape like any other we don't know about tongue.gif Took us long enough to see a gorilla after hearing about them after all wink2.gif
doink
Here's a picture of a more similar looking Spider monkey. Also the carrot like genitalia the "De Loy's Ape" has is characteristic of Spider monkey females, as Beetleman exe pointed out.
man_in_mudboots
looks alot like a gibbon tooo.
Lucky Luciano
It must be noted that De Loys' friend Dr. Montadon was into racist psuedo-science and this so called "ape" didn't get much attention until Montadon used De Loys' discovery to advance his theory that different races evolved from different apes.
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