Due to the topic on the four-winged dinosaur in main news section, and everyone talking about it, I figured I'd start this up for a longer convo on the subject.

I'd like to start by providing some links to info on bird-like dinosaurs:
Coelurosauria line of therapods

Sinornithosaurus, a raptor like theropod found with feathery integument.

Deinonychosauria, family tree that includes species like Utahraptor, and Velociraptor.

Avialae family tree, includes Archeaopteryx.

ornithurae, modern day bird like species, but retaining teeth.

its not like there was anything to debate in the first place:P

true true

yup

lol...well the reason for that was to avoid getting into big fights about evolution and creation. Oh well.

there were bird like dinosaurs at one point . big deal .

I wonder if the Arizona devil is a survivor of this exotic group...

and el chupacabra as well....

I thought we'd agreed that el Chupa was "the beast that is and is not"

My son and I agree, that by the photos we've seen of El Chupa Cabra, that El Chupa is "Zaboomafoo"!

Creationist will never find any transitional fossil, on the other hand, evolutionist will find that all fossils are transitional. We have extensive fossil record of the horse line, from prehistoric Eohippus to modern Equus. Evolutionists say that it is an evidence of macroevolution, but creationists argue that Eohippus and Eqqus are "the same kind of animal." Eohippus looks more like a cat rather than a horse.

About the bird, I agree that it is el chupacabra.

Thats because creationists look for a species change, i.e. dinosaur straight to a bird, or a ape straight to a human. Thats what they believe macro-evolution is and thats why they never find "transitional forms". Yet transitional forms appear all the time in the fossil record as such things as dinosaurs with feathers, and the horse example you stated penguin.

Here are some questions I asked the people at Trueauthority.com:

Naveed (me ):

I have said this before......you will never find a fossil in a transitional form in the way creationists said will prove evolution: like a fish with legs.

There will NEVER be a fish with legs because by the time a fish developed legs, the rest of its body will have also changed accordingly. By then it is no longer a fish.

Interesting links

I actually find it interesting the bird was discovered in china ... perhaps their are more creatures in its line and they could have been around while the ancient chinese were still around ? Dates may be a problem , but if you look at chinese culture it is actually very possible that this could explain why dragons are often seen in chinese art / religious beliefs .

you will never find a fossil in a transitional form in the way creationists said will prove evolution: like a fish with legs

True absolutely true, but for interest here are some "fish" with legs (they aren't really fish, but still):

http://www.caudata.org/axolotl/

Those are interesting animals.. thanks for sharing

Fish with legs post in cryptozoology. Not exactly true legs, but very close.

i have said before, i think it is the segisaurs that became birds. i thought this up myself, i did not follow some body elses theory, if any one else agrees.


so, naveed, what are your ideas? some body as learned about evolution as you couldnt go without a theory. do you agree with the typical ideas (that would be raptors)?

Well I think that most likely it wasn't raptors and was an earlier species of therapod (that would be both and ancestor of archeaopteryx and raptors), since archeaopteryx appeared in the jurassic. I'm just not sure which one.

Also note that the gobi desert in China has been a large source for dinosaur bones.

Well its a pretty big area