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WHAT DO YOU THINK?


The other day I heard someone on TV say, after learning the following information, that it looks like the Illuminati are at work again trying to prevent homeschooling in order to continue manipulating our students and molding them into what they want them to learn.


Response to state appellate court decision declaring homeschooling unlawful

(The following letter was sent via email to members of the Home School Legal Defense Association on March 6.)

Dear HSLDA Members and Friends:

On February 28, 2008, the California Court of Appeals issued a ruling in a juvenile court proceeding that declared that almost all forms of homeschooling in California are in violation of state law. (Private tutoring by certified teachers remains an option.)

Moreover, the court ruled that parents possess no constitutional right to homeschool their children.

This case involved a family with a 20-year history of litigation in the juvenile courts over the care of their children. Prior adverse decisions had been rendered by the courts.

This family was not a member of Home School Legal Defense Association. They were represented by court-appointed counsel throughout the proceeding. Since it was by law a confidential proceeding, to the best of our knowledge neither HSLDA nor any other legal advocacy organization had any knowledge that the right of all homeschoolers in California was depending upon the outcome of this family’s case.

There are two appellate options at this time.

First, we have been told that the family is appealing this decision to the California Supreme Court with their California counsel.

HSLDA will file an amicus brief on behalf of our 13,500 member families in California. We will argue that a proper interpretation of California statutes makes it clear that parents may legally teach their own children under the private-school exemption. However, if the court disagrees with our statutory argument, we will argue that the California statutes as interpreted by the Court of Appeal violate the constitutional rights of parents to direct the education and upbringing of their children.

HSLDA welcomes other organizations and persons to assist with the amicus process so that a full defense of home education, religious freedom, and parental rights can be given to the California Supreme Court.

The second appellate option is to seek to have this particular decision “depublished.” Depublication is a decision that can only be made by the California Supreme Court. If the Court determines that the decision should stand, regarding this family, on the facts presented, but that the general pronouncements of law for all of homeschooling should not be determined by this case, then the Court has the option of “depublishing” the Court of Appeal’s decision. This would mean that the case is not binding precedent in California and has no effect on any other family.

HSLDA will take the lead in an effort to seek to have this case depublished.

Homeschooling has offered a great opportunity for families to give their children a quality education with a moral and philosophical approach that is consistent with each family’s beliefs.

The ability to homeschool freely in California should not depend upon one family in a closed-door proceeding. All families should have the right to be heard since the rights of all are clearly at stake.

J. Michael Smith, HSLDA president

http://www.calcatholic.com/news/newsArticl...3c-f901f08c96f2


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frenat
The FULL story mentions that one can homeschool providing the person doing the teaching is California certified. So they're trying to have some kind of standard. I don't see anything wrong with this.
Cr33p
QUOTE (frenat @ Mar 8 2008, 01:04 PM) *
The FULL story mentions that one can homeschool providing the person doing the teaching is California certified. So they're trying to have some kind of standard. I don't see anything wrong with this.

Exactly what he said.
imp1960
QUOTE (frenat @ Mar 8 2008, 01:04 PM) *
The FULL story mentions that one can homeschool providing the person doing the teaching is California certified. So they're trying to have some kind of standard. I don't see anything wrong with this.



The question then becomes: what does it take to become "certified" in the eyes of the California authorities? What control does the State then exert over what children are taught and how it's done?
Cr33p
I would suggest being a trained teacher...
TheClassic
QUOTE (imp1960 @ Mar 8 2008, 05:12 PM) *
The question then becomes: what does it take to become "certified" in the eyes of the California authorities? What control does the State then exert over what children are taught and how it's done?


I believe, after reading the CNN article, that they have to go through some training. Which is a great idea if you ask me.
frenat
From what I've heard, which unfortunately I don't have links for, the certification process is not that difficult and not nearly as involved as becoming a full teacher. I don't think they have much say in what you can or can't teach, however, if you want your kids to get the equivalent of a high school diploma, then you'd have to teach them the minimum to pass those test. Whatever else you want to teach them or not teach them or how you want to do it is completely up to you.
unit
it's always struck me as ironic..

how gov.org expects you to send your kid to their state operated school for indoctrination, on the grounds that (as said above) 'they are merely attempting to preserve some kind of standard' lest we all revert to cavemen

whereas..

they run the whole show with 'caveman mentality' promoting competition and selfish values in the first place..?

..i guess i'm just looking too deeply into the matter? wink2.gif
Rolci
very well said, unit, as always...
Zaus
QUOTE (unit @ Mar 8 2008, 10:27 PM) *
it's always struck me as ironic..

how gov.org expects you to send your kid to their state operated school for indoctrination, on the grounds that (as said above) 'they are merely attempting to preserve some kind of standard' lest we all revert to cavemen

whereas..

they run the whole show with 'caveman mentality' promoting competition and selfish values in the first place..?

..i guess i'm just looking too deeply into the matter? wink2.gif


And to think, some people ^*hint*^ ^*hint*^ think that this is a good idea?

oh wait... they worship the governmental powers because they cant think for themselves, thats right.
Darklight
QUOTE (Zaus @ Mar 9 2008, 05:56 PM) *
And to think, some people ^*hint*^ ^*hint*^ think that this is a good idea?

oh wait... they worship the governmental powers because they cant think for themselves, thats right.


Salaam (Peace)

If the state was doing a good job of educating children then home schooling wouldn't be a big enough issue to matter. The states and feds have messed up public school and now they want to mess up education outside of public school.
Isis2200
California father, Phillip Long, stated the following:

"The parent-child relationship existed long before any government and makes it the responsibility of the parent to educate the child," he said. That responsibility includes protecting one's children from "things hazardous to the child, emotionally as well as physically," he said.

In a new update, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denounced a state appeals court ruling that severely restricts homeschooling and promised Friday to change the law if necessary to guarantee that parents are able to educate their children at home.

"Every California child deserves a quality education, and parents should have the right to decide what's best for their children," Schwarzenegger said in response to the ruling, which said children educated at home must be taught by a credentialed teacher.

"Parents should not be penalized for acting in the best interests of their children's education," Schwarzenegger said. "This outrageous ruling must be overturned by the courts, and if the courts don't protect parents' rights then, as elected officials, we will."


State Education Secretary David Long, a Schwarzenegger appointee, said that meant the governor supported allowing parents without teaching credentials to educate their children.

"The governor sees this as a fundamental right of parental choice," he said.

In the meantime, attorneys with Long's agency are poring over the decision to determine what to tell local school districts, the agencies responsible for pursuing truants, said Jack O'Connell, the state's superintendent of public instruction.

An estimated 166,000 children are homeschooled in California. Some are enrolled in independent study programs through school districts, charter schools or private schools. Others are taught at home or in programs that have no oversight by a public education agency or private school.

The ruling that prompted Schwarzenegger's anger was issued Feb. 28 by the Second District Court of Appeal in Los Angeles, but went unpublicized until this week. The court said all children ages 6 to 18 must attend public or private school full time until they graduate from high school or must be tutored by a credentialed teacher.
State law is silent

There is no provision in the California Education Code or elsewhere in state law that addresses the issue of homeschooling. Homeschool advocates want to keep it that way, despite the governor's support for a new law to help them.

They believe current code supports their practices and that new laws would include regulations and possibly restrictions on homeschooling.

"We just want to leave it alone because it's good the way it is," said Loren Mavromati, who homeschools her two children and volunteers with the California Homeschool Network, an advocacy organization made up mostly of homeschooling parents. "The law as it stands is working well in California."

It's unclear how much support the governor would have in the Legislature for allowing parents without credentials to teach their children.

Two members of the state Senate Education Committee, Sen. Jack Scott, D-Altadena (Los Angeles County), the panel's chairman, and Sen. Joe Simitian, D-Palo Alto, declined to comment Friday on the issue or the court ruling.

One complicating factor is that California's compulsory-education law is widely interpreted to mean the state is obliged to make sure every child is educated.

"As a society, we recognize that a well-educated citizenry is our goal," Long said. The purpose of compulsory education is "to help ensure that," he said.

Click the following link to read the rest of the article:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...8/MNCHVG0SD.DTL


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unit
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The states and feds have messed up public school

crazy like foxes.. was messed up for a reason.. as we all suspect..

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and now they want to mess up education outside of public school.

all they're trying to do is ensure all ears are listening to one (their) voice

Arnie:
"Parents should not be penalized for acting in the best interests of their children's education," Schwarzenegger said. "This outrageous ruling must be overturned by the courts, and if the courts don't protect parents' rights then, as elected officials, we will crush them! yeeargh! get back to the chopper!" happy.gif


Isis2200
QUOTE (unit @ Mar 10 2008, 09:16 PM) *
crazy like foxes.. was messed up for a reason.. as we all suspect..


all they're trying to do is ensure all ears are listening to one (their) voice


Very well stated, Unit. original.gif In the past week I've heard three people state the same thing. I just think Arnie better watch his "P's" and "Q's" because you and I both know what happens to people who don't go along with the "flow" of the Illuminati. sad.gif I know two people who never used to be conspiracy theorists, and now after reading crud like this, they're now conspiracy theorists.

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Arnie:
"Parents should not be penalized for acting in the best interests of their children's education," Schwarzenegger said. "This outrageous ruling must be overturned by the courts, and if the courts don't protect parents' rights then, as elected officials, we will crush them! yeeargh! get back to the chopper!" happy.gif


Yeah, and in addition, he said "Don't worry about da situation......I'LL BE BACK TO TELL DEM 'HASTA LA VISTA, BABY!" J/K grin2.gif


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