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Rock Slinger
Is there a conspiracy to hide the truth about one of the most important and healthful substances our bodies need to function properly? Consider this:

The human body is made up of approximately 60-80% water, depending on your age, sex and other factors. In our blood, the salt and mineral content somewhat mimics that of the ocean from which we and all life evolved. Without salt we die-

But, since industrialization in the past 150 years or so, we have replaced naturally harvested sea salt, and unrefined mine salt, both containing many naturally occurring minerals in natural balance, with Na Cl or Sodium Chloride table salt. Most people are aware that Table salt is iodized in order to prevent goitre. In this process iodine is added back into refined Na Cl to give us table salt. Luckily, because:

'Iodine is needed by the body for the production of hormones. These hormones are manufactured by the thyroid gland and are therefore commonly known as thyroid hormones. Thyroid hormones have many functions in the body, all of which are essential for normal physical and mental development, including growth. When the diet contains insufficient iodine, the thyroid gland cannot make enough thyroid hormone to satisfy the body’s need. The thyroid gland becomes enlarged due to its desperate efforts to produce the hormone; this enlargement is known as goitre, which is the outward sign of iodine deficiency.' -from the Iodine Network

Iodine is only one of at least 80 trace minerals found in salt. So far it has been proven that we need at least 24 of these 80 and it is likely we just haven't figured out or been told about the rest. Linus Pauling, Ph.D. (Two time Nobel Prize Winner)once said: “You can trace every sickness, every disease, and every ailment to a mineral deficiency”. Our bodies can not make these minerals ourselves and they must be ingested.

Here's the rub: It appears that today's highest centers for medical research, either haven't figured this out yet or worse they hide this truth from the public. I propose that Big Pharma is selling us back these minerals in the form of drugs, usually combined with some other chemicals in order to be Pattenable.

Here, arguable the most respected cancer and medical research organization in the world somehow overlooks the possibility that sea salt may be a healthful alternative to table salt. By comparing refined mine salt to refined sea salt these brains of the medical world have successfully compared Na Cl to Na Cl and found definitively that there are no differences.

Edit; Added: To be fair I have submitted a follow up question to the Mayo Clinic specifically asking if research has been done comparing unrefined sea salt to table salt in terms of healthfulness.


http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sea-salt/AN01142
unit
try dissolving some of this 'table salt' in water.. this oughta get people thinking..

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Dog Fish
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ Mar 8 2008, 10:17 AM) *
Is there a conspiracy to hide the truth about one of the most important and healthful substances our bodies need to function properly?


No.
jaylemurph
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ Mar 8 2008, 10:17 AM) *
Is there a conspiracy to hide the truth about one of the most important and healthful substances our bodies need to function properly? Consider this:

The human body is made up of approximately 60-80% water, depending on your age, sex and other factors. In our blood, the salt and mineral content mimics that of the ocean from which we and all life evolved. Without salt we die-

But, since industrialization in the past 200 years or so, we have replaced natural sea salt, harvested from the ocean and containing all the naturally occurring minerals in perfect balance, with Na Cl or Sodium Chloride table salt. Most people are aware that Table salt is iodized in order to prevent goitre. In this process iodine is added back into refined Na Cl to give us table salt.

'Iodine is needed by the body for the production of hormones. These hormones are manufactured by the thyroid gland and are therefore commonly known as thyroid hormones. Thyroid hormones have many functions in the body, all of which are essential for normal physical and mental development, including growth. When the diet contains insufficient iodine, the thyroid gland cannot make enough thyroid hormone to satisfy the body’s need. The thyroid gland becomes enlarged due to its desperate efforts to produce the hormone; this enlargement is known as goitre, which is the outward sign of iodine deficiency.' -from the Iodine Network

Iodine is only one of at least 80 trace minerals found in salt. Our bodies need and use all of the different minerals for basic cell and organ functions. Without the proper balance our bodies will have other problems and are more susceptible to disease. But here's the rub: It appears that today's highest centers for medical research, funded by pharmaceutical companies, either haven't figured this out yet or worse they hide this truth from the public. I propose that Big Pharma is likely selling us back these minerals in the form of patented drugs. They also sell us other drugs to deal with all the many side effects the lack of mineral balance causes.

Here, arguable the most respected cancer and medical research organization in the world somehow overlooks the possibility that sea salt may be a healthful alternative to table salt. By comparing refined mine salt to refined sea salt these brains of the medical world have successfully compared Na Cl to Na Cl and found definitively that there are no differences.


http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sea-salt/AN01142


Historically, most salt wasn't made from sea salt, especially in Western Europe, so it's not like sea salt is something that was once commonly used and then we stopped.

--Jaylemurph
Rock Slinger
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Mar 9 2008, 05:06 PM) *
Historically, most salt wasn't made from sea salt, especially in Western Europe, so it's not like sea salt is something that was once commonly used and then we stopped.

--Jaylemurph


I'm sorry. I'm sure your right, but aren't most natural salt deposits left behind from dried up ancient oceans and contain many of the same minerals, in the same ratios? If that is indeed the case then the point remains the same.

If you compare refined Na Cl to refined Na Cl from a different source there will never be a difference. Why don't 'they' compare the properties and healthful effects of unrefined vs. refined? That is what the person who posed the question to the Mayo Clinic was looking for, not what the answer is. If you do a search to compare sea salt to table salt, the Mayo Clinic answer comes up as the seemingly most credible source for an answer. Yet what one gets is an obvious misguiding or useless non-answer. Why? Do you think they are not thorough in their research of such a significant body function controller as salt and mineral content in the body? No way.

Consider, each of our organ systems utilizes minerals in performing their different functions. Wouldn't it likely be helpful if your diet contained these minerals in a natural ratio? I immediately noticed a difference in my health when I changed over to sea salt.
MID
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ Mar 8 2008, 11:17 AM) *
Is there a conspiracy to hide the truth about one of the most important and healthful substances our bodies need to function properly? [/url]



No conspiracy Rock..

It has been known for a long time that refined table salt is missing a bunch of naturally assimilatable stuff that natural sea salts contain.
It should be common knowledge by now...I should think.

There is an additional feature of sea salt that those of us who cook alot know:

It tastes better...big time.

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Rock Slinger
QUOTE (MID @ Mar 9 2008, 08:15 PM) *
No conspiracy Rock..

It has been known for a long time that refined table salt is missing a bunch of naturally assimilatable stuff that natural sea salts contain.
It should be common knowledge by now...I should think.

There is an additional feature of sea salt that those of us who cook alot know:

It tastes better...big time.

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Your right that it should be common knowledge but it seems it really isn't. Many people don't know that there is this significant difference in the healthfulness of one vs. the other because of the minerals. You're also probably right that it may not rise to the level of conspiracy, but it certainly is not studied and touted by the medical community and it should be.

thought I'd throw it out there for anyone's sake who is not aware. I bet if you asked 10 doctors, many or most of them would say there is no difference. Of course they would believe what they are saying, it's just not touted by any researchers. Try to find a significant study, I bet you won't find one. Who would fund it? A small unrefined salt seller who can't afford what it would take to interest a University? A pharmaceutical company?

xCrimsonx
Sea/Rock salt taste's better! thumbsup.gif
unit
our two resident thinktanks offer their 2 cents again..

'Murph (paraphrased)
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It's not like we used to use sea-salt then all of a sudden changed

Rock slinger addressed that before i could. wating for you to do some research and come back with it.. don't forget to quote everything happy.gif

MID
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NO Conspiracy

sure mate.. maybe you're thinking of the moon landing thread and conspiracies of that nature/magnitude.. but when people *conspire* together for one objective or another, this by definition becomes a conspiracy.. and this could be said of the salt situation here.. is it a conspiracy that dupont and friends decided now they have mastery of chemicals they could do away with the old hemp which was used for everything up untill that point? same thing.. maybe not a *conspiracy* like the one argued about in moon landing thread but still the thing does not bode well for all, and is designed to benefit only a small group.. smells conspiracyish to me..

lunch anyone? i used sea-salt..
Zaus
too much salts(and viruses being sprayed) on meats these days...

too much sugar(refined, same as salt)/ high fructose corn syrup(cmon, you trust our genetically modified corn? or the syrup thereof?)/ MonoSodiumGlutamate(uuugggg its in EVERYTHING!)/ partially hydrogen soy bean(or cottonseed) oil(do you know what this means? it has an extra molecule, this makes the atom(Our bodies do not know what to do this is so unnatural, it is stored in the stomach and is hard) undigestable and is akin to swallowing gum).

Just a few things, youl have to excuse me im extremely under-rested.
Finsup22
We use sea salt.
ravergirl
salt is nasty.
Capt. A. W. Sparrow c.1714
to a degree it might be the same, if you think about the areas the salt is from, really. If it comes from the place we refer to as the "first spot that 'sea salt' ever came about", then sure, wouldn't that make it such? Sorry if it's confusing.... obviously sea salt is salt of the sea, and table salt it.... well I don't really know. hmm.gif


I smell of sea salt occasionally!
jaylemurph
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ Mar 9 2008, 07:37 PM) *
I'm sorry. I'm sure your right, but aren't most natural salt deposits left behind from dried up ancient oceans and contain almost the same exact minerals, in the same ratios? If that is indeed the case then the point remains the same.


From what I've been able to find out, the salt that is mined is purer NaCL (especially the clear crystalline salt crystals preferred by man) than sea salt -- many of the elemental and chemical impurities in the sea water do not last sufficiently long outside aqueous solutions for the geological processes involved in uplifting salt domes or pipes where it is mined. That is to say these impurities survive the quick-dry processing used by man in recovering salt from the sea (mostly because more water survives the process in larger, impurer crystals that are whiter or grey).

Salt that has been mined has been dried out for millions of years, and lacks the water within the crystalline structure needed to maintain many of the water-borne impurities in the salt. Therefore it is (often, but not always) of purer NaCl content -- which is why mined salt was better for use in preservation of foods, which was one of the chiefest uses of salt, beyond its use as a seasoning.

So, no, mined salt and sea salt don't contain exactly the same thing in exactly the same ratio. But that was good observation, and one I wouldn't have thought of. And unit, I'd cite where I got the answer, but it wasn't in published form. I asked a university inorganic chemist who works a few buildings down from me. (Suffice it to say, the conversation went on /much/ longer about salts in general and eventually ended up on his work. He did say the idea that there were over 90 different minerals -- even in trace amounts -- in sea salt was improbable)

--Jaylemurph
Rock Slinger
QUOTE (ravergirl @ Mar 11 2008, 01:21 PM) *
salt is nasty.


The early Native Americans used to use the sea weed from the local harbour to improve the soils in their corn fields around here, along with any leftover fish bodies, I'm sure. It not only kept the harbor clean and clear.. It added the oceans nutrients and minerals to the corn they ate. Nothing like todays mass produced GMO psuedo-corn sprinkled with Ionized Na CL & anti-caking mix.

Most of todays farmers only replenesh what is needed to grow the corn, not worried if it is a balanced end-product.
unit
thanks murph i knew you wouldn't let me down..
you're a salt noob like the rest of us.. but you still saw fit to get info to push your point..

Zaus
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Just a few things, youl have to excuse me im extremely under-rested.

mate u gotta rest it's important for the body and mind. it heals when you sleep. wink2.gif
Rock Slinger
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Mar 11 2008, 09:09 PM) *
From what I've been able to find out, the salt that is mined is purer NaCL (especially the clear crystalline salt crystals preferred by man) than sea salt -- many of the elemental and chemical impurities in the sea water do not last sufficiently long outside aqueous solutions for the geological processes involved in uplifting salt domes or pipes where it is mined. That is to say these impurities survive the quick-dry processing used by man in recovering salt from the sea (mostly because more water survives the process in larger, impurer crystals that are whiter or grey).

Salt that has been mined has been dried out for millions of years, and lacks the water within the crystalline structure needed to maintain many of the water-borne impurities in the salt. Therefore it is (often, but not always) of purer NaCl content -- which is why mined salt was better for use in preservation of foods, which was one of the chiefest uses of salt, beyond its use as a seasoning.

So, no, mined salt and sea salt don't contain exactly the same thing in exactly the same ratio. But that was good observation, and one I wouldn't have thought of. And unit, I'd cite where I got the answer, but it wasn't in published form. I asked a university inorganic chemist who works a few buildings down from me. (Suffice it to say, the conversation went on /much/ longer about salts in general and eventually ended up on his work. He did say the idea that there were over 90 different minerals -- even in trace amounts -- in sea salt was improbable)

--Jaylemurph


The same questions remain so I ask: Are we better off with 10 out of 80, 1 out of 80, or 80 out of 80 of these elements in our diet? The lack of research here rivals the inadequate research on naturals forms of vitamins vs. chemical forms.

80 Elements dicovered in Sea Water

Element Name Chemical Symbol Element Name Chemical Symbol

Aluminum AL Molybdenum MO
Antimony SB Neodymium ND
Arsenic AS Nickel NI
Barium BA Niobium NB
Beryllium BE Osmium OS
Bismuth BI Palladium PD
Boron B Phosphorus P
Bromine BR Platinum PT
Cadmium CD Potassium K
Calcium CA Praseodymium PR
Carbon C Rhenium RE
Cerium CE Rhodium RH
Cesium CS Rubidium RB
Chloride CL Ruthenium RU
Chromium CR Samarium SM
Cobalt CO Scandium SC
Copper CU Selenium SE
Dysprosium DY Silicon SI
Erbium ER Silver AG
Europium EU Sodium NA
Fluoride F Strontium SR
Gadolinium GD Sulfur (sulfate) S
Gallium GA Tantalum TA
Germanium GE Tellurium TE
Gold AU Terbium TB
Hafnium HF Thallium TL
Holmium HO Thorium TH
Indium IN Thulium TM
Iodine I Tin SN
Iridium IR Titanium TI
Iron FE Tungsten W
Lanthanum LA Vanadium V
Lead PB Ytterbium YB
Lithium LI Yttrium Y
Lutetium LU Zinc ZN
Magnesium MG Zirconium ZR
Manganese MN Oxygen O
Mercury HG Hydrogen H

Ref. Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 65th Ed. 1984-1985, CRC Press, Boca Raton, Fl., p. F-149



Edit: Added

Maybe not the best source but it is interesting

Excerpt from- A Grain of Salt

Although promoted by conventional medicine as part of a healthy diet, my experience has clearly shown the fallacy of low-salt diets. They are not associated with a reduction in blood pressure for the vast majority of the population and also have adverse effects on numerous metabolic markers including elevated insulin levels and insulin resistance. Low sodium diets have been associated with elevating total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol levels, which, in turn, has been associated with cardiovascular events.

Furthermore, it has demonstrated that mineral deficiencies are present in most chronic illnesses and it is impossible to overcome these disorders unless mineral deficits are corrected. What conventional doctors and most mainstream organizations have failed to grasp is the difference between refined and unrefined salt. Unrefined salt contains over 80 minerals in a perfect proportion for our bodies. Our bodies were meant to function optimally with adequate mineral levels and adequate salt intake. Only the use of unrefined salt can provide both of these factors.

For the great majority of people a low-salt diet does not work. Patients do not feel well when sodium levels are lowered. Their energy level drops and they develop hormonal and immune system imbalances. It is refined salt that needs to be avoided - it is a toxic, dangerous substance that fails to provide the body with any benefit. Unrefined salt should be the salt of choice.

This article was re-printed from the Winter 2006 issue of A Grain Of Salt©. Call 800-867-7258 to request a complimentary issue.

Again maybe not the most scientific source but definately some great info. Besides- the medical community doesn't offer much info on this most fundamental subject it seems.

http://evidenceofhealing.blogspot.com/2006...ne-of-gods.html
Rock Slinger
QUOTE (Finsup22 @ Mar 11 2008, 11:50 AM) *
We use sea salt.



Hopefully, you use the good stuff. The big salt producers now have products on the shelf labled as Sea Salt- made from evaporating salt water. What they don't say is that it is a high temperature evaporation and the salt is also refined. No mention of mineral content likely means minerals have once again been removed and sold seperately. They are misleading us to believe it is whole sea salt but it is not. There is a nice picture of the ocean on the label but the prodcut apparently has little relation to whole Sea Salt.

I have read that the big salt producers actually make as much or more money selling the relatively minute, seperated minerals as they do from selling the huge quantities of the Na CL for table salt.

MID
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ Mar 9 2008, 09:58 PM) *
Your right that it should be common knowledge but it seems it really isn't. Many people don't know that there is this significant difference in the healthfulness of one vs. the other because of the minerals. You're also probably right that it may not rise to the level of conspiracy, but it certainly is not studied and touted by the medical community and it should be.


Well, Rock,
You know the medical community as a whole doesn't really study much about nutrition!
The average medical doctor has very little training in nutrition at all...(it doesn't actually fit the modern medical paradigm).

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thought I'd throw it out there for anyone's sake who is not aware. I bet if you asked 10 doctors, many or most of them would say there is no difference.


Precisely. I think you're absolutely correct.

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Of course they would believe what they are saying, it's just not touted by any researchers. Try to find a significant study, I bet you won't find one. Who would fund it? A small unrefined salt seller who can't afford what it would take to interest a University? A pharmaceutical company?


Again, exactly correct.

You'll never interest a pharmaceutical company in a naturally occurring substance. There wouldn't be any point in it. They can't patent a naturally occurring substance, and thus have no interest in putting such a thing before the FDA, and spending a hundred million to get it approved, because they couldn't patent--you know-- sea salt, a direct herbal extract, or something like that. Their competitors would be all over the market with the same thing in a week (they're easy to make...properly), and there wouldn't be any profit in it. They could hold no rights to the substance, because it's not a proprietary synthetic formulation...it can be taken right from leaves and berries and roots by anyone!


And, if they invested money in researching something like sea salt, what would the results produce? A statement from them saying that sea salt is beneficial to your health?

Why? If the assimilatable minerals in sea salt prevent various illnesses, and they discover it, telling the public about it will do nothing but reduce people's dependence on their product. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a business perspective.

No major research effort is necessary to discover the content of sea salts. It's already been inexpensively done. However, what interest does modern medicine or phamaceutical industries have in that? None at all, really.


The business is in selling FDA approved proprietaries to physicians and hospitals.The emphasis is on selling doctors on a specific company's product. There are perks involved. It's a game. It's a business. Have you ever seen anyone come out of a doctor's office with instructions written on a piece of note paper that had a PFIZER or a GLAXOSMITHKNLINE logo across the top?

That's because the doctor is continually visited by sales reps from those companies, and prescribes their drugs. He has a vested interest in doing that. Generally, the doctor will pooh-pooh any "alternative" therapy a patient (and believe me you have to be patient to visit a doctor!) may ask about, and will say something like you indicate about sea salt.

He or she'd really rather you took the drugs he's prescribing, because he makes something off of it.

This isn't to say that the doctor doesn't believe it will help you, it's just that he knows if you don't need it, he or she isn't making any money!

And of course the media and advertising and all that crap sets people up to think along these lines.
One might consider this infiltration of conditioning a conspiracy. Looks kind of like one, but really it's not. It's a matter of people being dependent, and not having the volition to see things for themselves. It's mostly a business tactic.

Let's think about something else other than drugs to illustrate the principal.
Gasoline.

87 octane regular unleaded.

I know a person who buys only Sunoco gasoline. Why?
Because he's a big NASCAR fan and Sunoco is the "Offical Fuel of NASCAR".
Cool. Ok. I can dig that. Fill up with the offical fuel of NASCAR. I imagine he thinks he's driving on the same fuel Dale Jr. drives with every Sunday.

However, he seems to have no rational conception of the fact that when he goes to Sunoco to pump his NASCAR gasoline that he'll never in a hundred years be pumping Sunoco 260 GTX+ 104 octane racing fuel into his car.

What he'll be pumping is basically the same 87 octane unleaded, ethanol added fuel that ExxonMobil produces, or any other major manufacturer.

It's marketing nonsense...and it works!

...I'm a big race fan too, but I have no illusions about the gas I buy for my car.


It sells Sonoco. Medicine does the same thing.

A conspiracy is a small group influenced very secret thing which is hidden from view by the fact that a small group of people are involved. There are facts...things that have occurred that no one but a select few knows about.

But medicine isn't that exactly. The facts are available for anyone who wishes to research, think for themselves, and try things out. No one's covering some secret, about sea-salt, or anything else. They may make a concerted effort through the media to make you dependent, but for the discerning individual, the facts can still be derived through the din. In a true conspiracy, the facts are unknown...there is only the din.


Understanding is a matter of personal power, discernment and choice.
MID
QUOTE (unit @ Mar 10 2008, 10:54 PM) *
MID

sure mate.. maybe you're thinking of the moon landing thread and conspiracies of that nature/magnitude.. but when people *conspire* together for one objective or another, this by definition becomes a conspiracy.. and this could be said of the salt situation here.. is it a conspiracy that dupont and friends decided now they have mastery of chemicals they could do away with the old hemp which was used for everything up untill that point? same thing.. maybe not a *conspiracy* like the one argued about in moon landing thread but still the thing does not bode well for all, and is designed to benefit only a small group.. smells conspiracyish to me..


I know exactly what you're talking about unit.
My prior post discussed some of that association.

There is a concerted effort to attain conformance to a particular paradigm. I fully understand that. However, there are too many facts available to the discerning, and too many options still open to people.

You might say there is an industry that is making a concerted effort to have you conform to a paradigm that says "Sea salt is no different than any other salt. We have no studies to prove it. You need a doctor to insure your health. Drugs can heal you and all this alternative crap out there is just poppycock."


However, again, it is a matter of personal choice. You can choose to conform to the media-enhanced paradigm, or you can choose to investigate, experiment, and learn for yourself. People who do the latter find out some things that are pretty remarkable, and can do things that are so different from what conditioning tells people are "facts" that they're perceived as some kind of wizards.

They're not. They're just folks with a mind of their own who chose, and discovered, and are content with the knowledge they've obtained, no matter what the masses say.


Sure...it's somewhat similar to a wee conspiracy, but it's certainly not beyond the discerning individual to comprehend and act upon.
Rock Slinger
MID

Thanks for putting it all into what most people would consider a reasonable perspective. I agree with your analysis, but let's face it, some aspects of health and nutrition should not be overlooked by hospitals and doctors, especially for the ill and ill-informed.

I thought this interesting to add: Ever notice what the word salary was from

SALARY \
(from the Websters New Collegiate 1981 150th Anniversary Edition)
[ME, solarie, fr. L salarium salt money, pension, salary, fr. neut. of salarius of salt, fr. sal salt - more at SALT] : fixed compensation paid regularly for services. syn see wage

MID below is out of context but I think it is easy enough to follow from your previous posts how you arrived at the following reasonable and yet rhetorical question:

MID
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And, if they invested in researching something like sea salt, what would the results produce? A statement from them saying that sea salt is beneficial to your health?


Of course: Yes, exactly. And we could change our salt usage for the good of mankind. Dynamic positive change could and would happen very quickly, if only it were to be. Someday maybe.

For now, if we are lucky enough to be somehow correctly informed and it turns out that SALT does indeed hold the health secrets it seems it does, and we have anything left of our salaries from our labors, we can purchase the better kinds of the NATURAL SALT our bodies are due. Though one may have to travel far or go online depending on where you live.

Put me down for a 5 LB bag.
MID
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ Mar 15 2008, 11:51 PM) *
MID

Thanks for putting it all into what most people would consider a reasonable perspective. I agree with your analysis, but let's face it, some aspects of health and nutrition should not be overlooked by hospitals and doctors, especially for the ill and ill-informed.



You're welcome.
I agree, there are aspects that should not be ignored by the medical profession / industry.


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I thought this interesting to add: Ever notice what the word salary was from

SALARY \
(from the Websters New Collegiate 1981 150th Anniversary Edition)
[ME, solarie, fr. L salarium salt money, pension, salary, fr. neut. of salarius of salt, fr. sal salt - more at SALT] : fixed compensation paid regularly for services. syn see wage


Yes, interesting, isn't it? This rather points to the value that salt has had in human affairs.


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MID below is out of context but I think it is easy enough to follow from your previous posts how you arrived at the following reasonable and yet rhetorical question:

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MID
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And, if they invested in researching something like sea salt, what would the results produce? A statement from them saying that sea salt is beneficial to your health?


Of course: Yes, exactly. And we could change our salt usage for the good of mankind. Dynamic positive change could and would happen very quickly, if only it were to be. Someday maybe.


Fundamentally, you're correct of course.
It would be nice for medicine to acknowledge these things and perhaps influence people to make a beneficial change. But of course, I think you know my point.

There's no real vested interest in it from the perspective of the industry. It's like any other naturally occurring substance which has known benefits...like garlic for instance. It is well known that garlic provides a vast variety of healthful benefits (circulatory, anti-bacterial and anti fungal, immune stimulation, etc...).

In the case of garlic, companies can in fact synthesize substances out of it and market them for particular benefits. No matter that tablets have virtually no effect on anything, and are no where near as potent as the natural stuff itself, the point is you can make something out of it and sell it as a pill (pills are the paradigm of modern medicine, of course...take a pill, get well (sic))! You can't actually do that with sea salt. What are you going to make...mineral pills, sea salt tablets?

Maybe, but as is the case with anything else, the real thing is the real thing (regular old garlic is better than any pill. Regular old sea salt is better than any possible derivative..).

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For now, if we are lucky enough to be somehow correctly informed and it turns out that SALT does indeed hold the health secrets it seems it does, and we have anything left of our salaries from our labors, we can purchase the better kinds of the NATURAL SALT our bodies are due. Though one may have to travel far or go online depending on where you live.

Put me down for a 5 LB bag.



I guess it depends on where you live. I can find it in any supermarket in my area!

frenat
QUOTE (Zaus @ Mar 11 2008, 12:30 PM) *
too much salts(and viruses being sprayed) on meats these days...

too much sugar(refined, same as salt)/ high fructose corn syrup(cmon, you trust our genetically modified corn? or the syrup thereof?)/ MonoSodiumGlutamate(uuugggg its in EVERYTHING!)/ partially hydrogen soy bean(or cottonseed) oil(do you know what this means? it has an extra molecule, this makes the atom(Our bodies do not know what to do this is so unnatural, it is stored in the stomach and is hard) undigestable and is akin to swallowing gum).

You don't really believe the old wive's tale about swallowed gum staying in your stomach do you?
http://www.kidshealth.org/teen/question/di...wallow_gum.html
http://www.kidshealth.org/kid/talk/yucky/swallowed_gum.html
http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/09/2...ow_your_gum.htm
http://www.slashfood.com/2007/10/11/is-it-...to-swallow-gum/
http://www.levinechildrenshospital.org/12699.cfm
Of course you don't have to take all the expert's words for it though. Just swallow a piece of brightly colored gum and you'll often see it in the next day's bowel movement.
Rock Slinger
QUOTE (MID @ Mar 16 2008, 03:32 PM) *
You're welcome.
I agree, there are aspects that should not be ignored by the medical profession / industry.




Yes, interesting, isn't it? This rather points to the value that salt has had in human affairs.




Of course: Yes, exactly. And we could change our salt usage for the good of mankind. Dynamic positive change could and would happen very quickly, if only it were to be. Someday maybe.

Fundamentally, you're correct of course.
It would be nice for medicine to acknowledge these things and perhaps influence people to make a beneficial change. But of course, I think you know my point.

There's no real vested interest in it from the perspective of the industry. It's like any other naturally occurring substance which has known benefits...like garlic for instance. It is well known that garlic provides a vast variety of healthful benefits (circulatory, anti-bacterial and anti fungal, immune stimulation, etc...).

In the case of garlic, companies can in fact synthesize substances out of it and market them for particular benefits. No matter that tablets have virtually no effect on anything, and are no where near as potent as the natural stuff itself, the point is you can make something out of it and sell it as a pill (pills are the paradigm of modern medicine, of course...take a pill, get well (sic))! You can't actually do that with sea salt. What are you going to make...mineral pills, sea salt tablets?

Maybe, but as is the case with anything else, the real thing is the real thing (regular old garlic is better than any pill. Regular old sea salt is better than any possible derivative..).




I guess it depends on where you live. I can find it in any supermarket in my area!


Do the Supermarkets near you offer nauturally, (usu. meaning wind and sun evaporated), wood rake harvested or similiar type of salt like Celtic Brand? What brands do they offer out of curiosity, I'll look again around here. I may have been wrong about that -Maybe I just need to ask where the hide it at the store wink2.gif
MID
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ Mar 16 2008, 05:04 PM) *
Do the Supermarkets near you offer nauturally, (usu. meaning wind and sun evaporated), wood rake harvested or similiar type of salt like Celtic Brand? What brands do they offer out of curiosity, I'll look again around here. I may have been wrong about that -Maybe I just need to ask where the hide it at the store wink2.gif



Yep...

Wind and sun evaporated mediteranean sea salts. Beleine Sea Salts are available around here (I generally use the course grained variety, because I grind it myself).


Generally speaking, 5 lb. bags aren't available. I've only seen it in 750 g containers....

Less sodium! More flavor. More minerals...all absorbable.


But caution:

"Sea Salt does not provide Iodide, a necessary nutrient." (that's a government requirement, because sea salt doesn't have any additives).


Funny thing is that they don't say...."Want Iodide...eat potato skins, they're loaded with it!".


Like calcium, for instance. You need to drink denatured animal secretions (milk) to get it...or, take supplements.

Eat broccoli or kelp...there's more absorbable calcium in those greens than in any milk, and it won't cause kidney stones like supplements do!!!



ThinkCommieSHEEP
YOU GUYS IT ALL THE SAME SALT!!! Table and Sea salt are exactly the same just like kosher is the same the only difference is the refinement of it. How do I know this cause I'm a cook. I personally prefer to use kosher because it is not as refined as table. Anytime anything is refined you are going to lose some minerals.
MID
QUOTE (Ocean Firefox @ Mar 18 2008, 05:11 PM) *
YOU GUYS IT ALL THE SAME SALT!!! Table and Sea salt are exactly the same just like kosher is the same the only difference is the refinement of it. How do I know this cause I'm a cook. I personally prefer to use kosher because it is not as refined as table. Anytime anything is refined you are going to lose some minerals.



I think that's the point, Ocean.
Refinement causes the loss of minerals, and taste...and texture (I'm a cook too....). Thus: table salt, being refined, is not the same.

Refined salt is almost 100% Sodium Chloride. Unrefined sea salts average about 80% Sodium Chloride.

Ghost It Notes
I've been using sea salt for years now and I plan on continuing to do so. i think it actually tastes cleaner and better than refined. Save the refined for icy sidewalks and such, I say.
MID
QUOTE (Ghost It Notes @ Mar 18 2008, 06:02 PM) *
I've been using sea salt for years now and I plan on continuing to do so. i think it actually tastes cleaner and better than refined. Save the refined for icy sidewalks and such, I say.



Bingo, I say!
Kaitsu
As a kid I used to like to eat those salt packages you get at fast food restaurants...

Sea salt does taste better than regular salt. But it's more likely we have more of the other kind because it is cheaper to get/refine, etc. I doubt it's a conspiracy, it's just not something worth worrying about. You're not going to die if your salt is refined.
MID
QUOTE (Kaitsu @ Mar 20 2008, 07:14 AM) *
Sea salt does taste better than regular salt. But it's more likely we have more of the other kind because it is cheaper to get/refine, etc. I doubt it's a conspiracy, it's just not something worth worrying about. You're not going to die if your salt is refined.



Never quite understood why a refined, processed item (which means one has to do something to it, which implies a cost-factor) is somehow cheaper than something that doesn't require any additional cost.

And no, it's not a conspiracy. It's simply people's ignorance of the simplicity of things, and believing in the status quo without any self-reliance.

I always think of master chefs, those folks who know food, love it, and prepare the most incredible stuff. It's mostly simple in reality, and uses natural ingredients (sea salts, extra virgin oil, and butter (no chef worth his salt (no pun intended) would use margarine or some hydrogenated fat in cooking)...and they produce incredible things to eat. They understand that fat is flavor, and that fat is essential in energy production (especially the fats loaded with L-carnitine, like those found in lamb--food for the heart).


But they never use crap like refined ultra sodium salts, or MSG, which are flavor enhancers...not real ingredients.

They may not kill you per-se, but they may contribute to you not living as well as you ought!
Rock Slinger
QUOTE (MID @ Mar 20 2008, 07:58 PM) *
Never quite understood why a refined, processed item (which means one has to do something to it, which implies a cost-factor) is somehow cheaper than something that doesn't require any additional cost.


As I stated earlier, one explanation is that the big salt producers make as much money selling the precious trace minerals as they do from the bulk NaCl. Someone on this thread must know the current cost for Lithium, a common prescription for manic depressive disorder for example...

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And no, it's not a conspiracy. It's simply people's ignorance of the simplicity of things, and believing in the status quo without any self-reliance.


I think that is oversimplifying things a bit, MID. Is it not understood that Big Pharma pays big bucks for research to disprove natural remedies and healing? It is not just people's ignorance that they don't know . University research seems to be tainted and bogus in regards to natural healing phenominon...and the medical community, having their hands tied to Big Pharma, actually follow protocol which is designed to prevent the masses from finding out the truth on such matters.

If Big Pharma is aware of what they are doing in this regards then it is in fact a conspiracy in the worst way. Just because the truth can be found in an alternative healing website and we can purchase quality salt does not mean people haven't conspired to make it 'alternative'. Studies are designed to get the results they are looking for- to make natures cures inconclusive or appear less effective.

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They may not kill you per-se, but they may contribute to you not living as well as you ought!


Exactly, and this -not living so well (or so long), would be avoidable if we weren't stuck in the current medical/health/food paradym. I understand it isn't in Big Pharma's interest to study these things but it could and should be the FDA's!! If they weren't getting bought off by Big Pharma we would be a much healthier and happier people.

BTW, dowsers.com gave me a great deal on Celtic Sea Salt, one of the best types. I reccomend you buy some fine for your salt shaker and some course, which has potentially a few more of the original 80 plus known minerals in it because of the included sea moisture, for grinding and cooking. A simple change from table salt could vastly improve your life.
Rock Slinger
Just came accross this info from curezone.com that makes a few interesting points:

The following information is from "Seasalt’s Hidden Powers" . You should get your hands on this book and the entire family should be educated on the facts of life.

The late French scientist Dr. Alexis Carrel kept a chicken heart alive for over 27 years by having the pulsating heart IN A SOLUTION OF SEA SALT, i.e. isotonic seawater. Dr. Carrel voluntarily ended the experiment after a third of a century, having proven that living cells can have physical immortality.

Professor C. Louis Kervran with his scientific research and formulas has been an asset to the scientific establishment and he was a candidate for the Noble Prize. Professor Kervran links us to the secret of immortality and reveals its prime source is trace minerals from seawater [and used in] remedies. Other physicians continued research and found fermentations of briny salt pickles, salted sour plums, and other salty fermentations to be powerful and effective medicines.

Dr. Jacques de Langre, Ph.D., who wrote the book "Seasalt’s Hidden Powers", states that naturally and properly sunshine-preserved sea salt is the difference between life and death, health and illness, social sanity and planetary panic and its elements are vital for proper body functions. That natural hand-harvested Celtic ocean salt alone helps to maintain life, neutralizes toxins and detrimental bacteria, and enhances all our organic function.

Sea salt contain 92 essential minerals and most all refined adulterated sea salts contain only 2 elements (Na and Cl. Biologically, 24 of these elements in real sea salt have already been proven necessary and essential to maintain and recover health. See Scientific American, July 1972: "The Chemical Elements of Life," by Earl Friden.

When dietary deficiency of trace elements occurs, cells lose the ability to control their ions—with dire consequences for humans. Even a minute loss of ion equilibrium causes cells to burst, nervous disorder, brain damage, or muscle spasms, as well as a breakdown of the cell-regenerating process and growth.

In the theory of acid and alkaline balance, chronic disease such as cancer is caused by the acidification of the blood, lymph and all cellular tissues. Real sea salt is one of the basic elements necessary part to correct this problem.

Natural sea salt [reconstituted seawater] allows liquids to freely cross body membranes, the kidney’s glomerulus's and blood vessels walls. Whenever the sodium chloride concentration rises in the blood, the water in the neighboring tissues is attracted to that salt-rich blood, and the cells then re-absorb the enriched intra-cellular fluid. If they are functioning properly, the kidneys remove the saline fluids easily. Refined salt does not allow this free-crossing of liquids and minerals, and causes accumulated fluids to stagnate in joint, producing edema and chronic kidney problems.

Salt is the single element required for the proper breakdown of plant carbohydrates into useable and assimiable human food. Only when salt is added to fruits and vegetables can saliva and gastric secretions readily break down the fibrous store of carbohydrates, etc.

Once salt is dissolved and ionized, the salt possesses a definite reactivity, has full electromagnetic capabilities, and passes more easily into the large colon where it will have a sanitizing effect.

Table Salt: To further prevent any moisture from being reabsorbed, the salt refiners add aluminosilicate of sodium or yellow prussiate of soda as desiccants plus different bleaches to the final salt formula. After these processes, the table salt will no longer combine with human body fluids, it invariably causes severe problems of edema (water retention) and several other health disturbances.

In ancient Celts times, salt was used to treat major physical and mental disturbances, severe burns, and other ailments. Today biologists attest that seawater (also called 'mother liquor') restores hydro-electrolytic imbalances, a disorder that causes loss of immune response, creates allergies, and causes many health problems. Also the therapeutic effect of seawater is recognized and used by the best European medical professionals because of its effectiveness in so many situations.

Today people fear salt and we are witnessing a virtual ban on consuming products with high sodium contents and this is a major concern of biologists. The use of real sea salt-free diets are showing up in the reality of our modern world as society is coming apart. It is basically a starvation of macro- and trace minerals and biological deficiencies cannot be corrected by refined sodium chloride alone.

Celtic salt is a good product because it is naturally extracted by the use of sunshine. If one redissolved salt in water in the proper ratio or combine it in the moisture of foods, its properties re-create the amazing powers of the "ocean" and bears an astonishing likeness to human blood and body fluids. During World War II, Navy doctors would use sea salt water for blood transfusions when blood supplies ran out and many lives were saved.

History

Dr. Langre mentions in his book that, "The Belgian historian Henri Pirenne observed that during the High Middle ages, the entire coast of the Atlantic was deserted and the entire continent was thrown into a Dark Age of human under-development. Historians tell us that it was caused to a great extent by the lack of salt in the human diet, the flooding of all salt flats having disabled every salt farm along the coastlines of the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea. The whole of Europe, therefore, suffered from a salt famine that was to last almost 500 years. The daily average ration fell to less than 2 grams per person and caused may to die from dehydration and madness. The extent of the salt famine reported by Henri Pirenne caused human flesh to be sold on the open-air markets and created an epidemic of crazed people who, to replenish their salt, drank blood from the neck artery of the person they had just slain. Quick to exploit this desperate situation for their own gain, the rulers of Europe grabbed the remnants of the salt stock and exacted exorbitant salt taxes. Heavily burdened by tariffs and gabelles, common salt became a luxury but also caused mass population shifts and exodus, lured invaders and caused wars. Mined salt from the depths of the earth was substituted, but the lack of live and balanced trace elements in rock salt lowered the mental equilibrium and intellect level almost as much as the sheer absence of salt."

Sea Salt Directions

Dr. Langre, Ph.D. writes that, "Rare gases are locked within real sea crystals and began to release in contact of additional moisture and is effective in maintaining and restoring human energy. Note that Celtic salt should not be ground until used because as it is milled the salt releases a subtle fragrance reminiscent of violets, another telltale sign that gases, floral-like vital essences, are being released. Note that these elements are easily trapped and stored in a preparation called sesame salt and a recipe is given in the Seasalt’s Hidden Powers. Real sea salt needs to be stored in an air tight container and kept in a dark cool place. The moisture has a tendency to settle to the bottom of the salt and the salt should be mixed before removing the salt for sure.

Real sea salt need to penetrate foods allowing the moisture of the fruits, vegetables, grains, etc. to liquefy the salt which activates it. If dry salt is used it enters the body in a non-ionized form and can creates thirst (a sign of being poisoned) and lessens its abilities because it is not being assimilated and utilized properly.

Sea water losses its properties of destroying bacilli if stored in bottles and when dries out.

A pinch of salt can be added to a small amount of water to dissolve to activate its powers and added to fruits, vegetables, grains to aid in better digestion of those items while helping to alkalize the body. Adding a pinch to water supplies adds alkaline properties and the mineral content. The minerals it contains are too valuable to ignore.
Zaus
just came across this interesting non-related(sort of) story about the use of mescaline(a specific extract directly from the peyote plant) in treating...

AIDS.

The study confirmed that patients with aids who were given small doses of peyote at regular intervals saw an increase in their T-cell count. With the higher T-cell count the patients needed no "standard" aids treatment, which is completely to the benefit of the pharmaceutical companies.

There is no cure for cancer, because if there was no money could be made as it is made today, same goes for aids, same goes for everything the pharmaceutical companies have mass produced and intend to sell. Why can noone see this???

How can it be believed that a monopolized DRUG industry will help "heal" anything?!!??

Sea salt vs. table salt speaks for itself...

Natural... or NOT natural, hmmm, which is going to be better for a person?
MID
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ Apr 4 2008, 08:40 AM) *
Exactly, and this -not living so well (or so long), would be avoidable if we weren't stuck in the current medical/health/food paradym. I understand it isn't in Big Pharma's interest to study these things but it could and should be the FDA's!! If they weren't getting bought off by Big Pharma we would be a much healthier and happier people.


I cannot disagree with that.
It should be the FDA's!
However, there's a great deal of evidence to indicate that it's not.

Nonetheless...I think our health and well being is a matter of personal responsibilty, not the governments. I fully realize that many people are "stuck in the current medical/health/food paradigm". However, that's a matter of a lack of personal knowledge and responsibility, largely.

But some people are not stuck.. Some laugh at the "food pyramid", for instance...
Some poeple, like myself, haven't seen the inside of a doctor's office in 20 years.
This is not to say I haven't been "sick" in 20 years. It is to say that I don't consider the doctor to be the be-all and end-all of health, and I fully realize what the body does when it gets "sick", and what is necessary, both physically and mentally, to heal itself. In probably 99.99% of cases, going to the doctor is not exactly in conformance with the natural wisdom of the body.

As I am wont to say, "If my arm is hanging off of my body by a thread, the trauma surgeons are the ones to see. Otherwise, forget it!"


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BTW, dowsers.com gave me a great deal on Celtic Sea Salt, one of the best types. I reccomend you buy some fine for your salt shaker and some course, which has potentially a few more of the original 80 plus known minerals in it because of the included sea moisture, for grinding and cooking. A simple change from table salt could vastly improve your life.


Got some.
Grind my own exclusively. As a cook, you can't beat it!

...don't have a salt shaker. I do have some fine in a bowl which I use for certain culinary applications. Everything else is done from the grinder!

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REBEL
QUOTE (unit @ Mar 9 2008, 03:34 PM) *
try dissolving some of this 'table salt' in water.. this oughta get people thinking..

sea salt thumbsup.gif


Why, what happens?...

QUOTE (xCrimsonx @ Mar 10 2008, 11:32 AM) *
Sea/Rock salt taste's better! thumbsup.gif

especially on grilled fish...
Rock Slinger
QUOTE (REBEL @ Apr 30 2008, 08:29 PM) *
Why, what happens?...
Doesn't mix very well and ends up in a pile at the bottom of the glass... Not sure if that is a sign that it would do the same in the body and not assimilate well maybe.



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especially on grilled fish...


No doubt. Ground sea salt and ground pepper on fresh dogfish steaks is one of my favorite foods of all time. I can only imagine that all ocean fish have all or many of the minerals of the ocean in use within the tissues (filets), likely being one of the reasons fish is so good for you. They say it is because of the omega oils but is likely a combination of the omega oils and the minerals I would think.
Siara
QUOTE (MID @ Mar 21 2008, 12:58 AM) *
And no, it's not a conspiracy. It's simply people's ignorance of the simplicity of things, and believing in the status quo without any self-reliance.


I think salt technology evolved before we saw the human body within the context of the rest of the biological world. We knew about evolution (most of us), we knew that life originated in the sea, we knew that we needed salt, but we didn't put it together that we used salt to create an internal ocean-like environment.

A significant fact to remember in this discussion is the fact that up until very recently salt was used mostly as a preservative, not as a spice, and not as a vitamin-type mineral. If sodium chloride preserved meat as long as sea salt preserved meat, then they were equivalent. My grandmother's first use of salt was as a preservative.

I agree with all of the cooks here- there's absolutely no comparison between refined salt and sea salt. Sea salt is SO much more delicious. It's also good in skin ointments and such.
MID
QUOTE (Siara @ May 6 2008, 02:44 PM) *
I think salt technology evolved before we saw the human body within the context of the rest of the biological world. We knew about evolution (most of us), we knew that life originated in the sea, we knew that we needed salt, but we didn't put it together that we used salt to create an internal ocean-like environment.

A significant fact to remember in this discussion is the fact that up until very recently salt was used mostly as a preservative, not as a spice, and not as a vitamin-type mineral. If sodium chloride preserved meat as long as sea salt preserved meat, then they were equivalent. My grandmother's first use of salt was as a preservative.

I agree with all of the cooks here- there's absolutely no comparison between refined salt and sea salt. Sea salt is SO much more delicious. It's also good in skin ointments and such.



Excellent comments, Siara.
I agree with all of it.
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Indeed, I am struck by this:

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I think salt technology evolved before we saw the human body within the context of the rest of the biological world. We knew about evolution (most of us), we knew that life originated in the sea, we knew that we needed salt, but we didn't put it together that we used salt to create an internal ocean-like environment.


I think there was a time when human-kind did see itself on a more natural basis (and naturally! wink2.gif...they didn't have to think about it!). However, advancements and technology have robbed us of so much of that that in the lifetimes of most of us, humans have assumed, due to an obviously superior intellect, a separateness, perhaps a self-importance that has caused us to believe that we are somehow superior in every respect to all of nature, including the massive planet we live on, and on which we are nothing more than a collection of dust motes.

It's kind of funny that we even discuss sea-salt's benefits, as opposed to refined table salt's. But the human paradigm, and its understandings through science has assigned us, in many cases, a self-imposed importance that places us in a position of being different than, and superior to all other life...even to the point of denying the natural connectedness that we as a species share with every other living thing on this planet.

We think this sea-salt business is new and unique. We pooh-pooh so-called "alternative" remedies when in fact the actual alternative is what modern medicine provides. We think we're so important in the natural scheme of things that we can actually destroy this planet by our relatively puny mechanations.

This of course is not to say that understanding ourselves, and nature, and discovering the how and why of things through science is a bad thing. On the contrary.

In many cases, however, that understanding...generally fueled by self-importance and a disconnect, as well as a lack of understanding of a fundamental---that Homo Sapiens Sapiens is, naturally speaking, an animal--has separated us from what we are fundamentally connected to, and from the fundamental natural methods of living and breathing and flourishing on this world.

We prefer a pill.
We aquire a taste for manufactured food instead of natural foods.

We look at a can of refined table salt and we see the evidence:

"Contains Iodide, an essential nutrient."


As if we NEED IT TO LIVE...as if refined table salt is the ONLY PLACE TO GET IODIDE."

But we forget that you grab a potato, cook it up, and eat the skin, and you've consumed more iodide than you're gonna need for a week using table salt!

We have grown so accusomed to drinking a de-natured animal secretion (milk), which was made by nature to nourish baby cows (not adult humans), and which is so often touted as being an essential source of calcium, that we forget that if you take a small head of broccoli, steam it up, stir fry it...or hell, eat it raw, that you get many times the amount of absorbable calcium than any glass of milk will ever get you.

We think "Garlique", a refined, odorless supplement (touted visibly by Larry King, who definitely looks like he needs something!) which attemtpts to synthesize the effective chemical compounds of garlic is somehow effective and superior to the little white cloves that mother Earth serves up for consumption...

And of course, we all KNOW that taking synthesized vitamins in tablet form are essential to insure one's health...you know, those supplements which cost lots of money, and which produce little but "expensive urine" (Ever see that golden yellow color, and smell that particular vitamin smell in it? That's what your body can't absorb, which is most of what is in those pills...save the amount that is collecting in your kidneys (those stones that people get from time to time...you don't want that!))?


Those nutirents are all available in absorbable and effective amounts in green, yellow and red vegetables, and in things like kelp and alfalfa and seaweed...in massive absorbable quantities that the body can use.


We forget.

We once inherently knew...like any animal.



frenat
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ May 6 2008, 11:02 AM) *
Doesn't mix very well and ends up in a pile at the bottom of the glass... Not sure if that is a sign that it would do the same in the body and not assimilate well maybe.

It mixes fine in hot water.
Rock Slinger
QUOTE (frenat @ May 7 2008, 01:41 AM) *
It mixes fine in hot water.


Perfect for a gargle.

Doesn't make it healthful.


Rock Slinger
QUOTE (MID @ May 6 2008, 07:07 PM) *
Excellent comments, Siara.
I agree with all of it.
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Indeed, I am struck by this:



I think there was a time when human-kind did see itself on a more natural basis (and naturally! wink2.gif...they didn't have to think about it!). However, advancements and technology have robbed us of so much of that that in the lifetimes of most of us, humans have assumed, due to an obviously superior intellect, a separateness, perhaps a self-importance that has caused us to believe that we are somehow superior in every respect to all of nature, including the massive planet we live on, and on which we are nothing more than a collection of dust motes.

It's kind of funny that we even discuss sea-salt's benefits, as opposed to refined table salt's. But the human paradigm, and its understandings through science has assigned us, in many cases, a self-imposed importance that places us in a position of being different than, and superior to all other life...even to the point of denying the natural connectedness that we as a species share with every other living thing on this planet.

We think this sea-salt business is new and unique. We pooh-pooh so-called "alternative" remedies when in fact the actual alternative is what modern medicine provides. We think we're so important in the natural scheme of things that we can actually destroy this planet by our relatively puny mechanations.

This of course is not to say that understanding ourselves, and nature, and discovering the how and why of things through science is a bad thing. On the contrary.

In many cases, however, that understanding...generally fueled by self-importance and a disconnect, as well as a lack of understanding of a fundamental---that Homo Sapiens Sapiens is, naturally speaking, an animal--has separated us from what we are fundamentally connected to, and from the fundamental natural methods of living and breathing and flourishing on this world.

We prefer a pill.
We aquire a taste for manufactured food instead of natural foods.

We look at a can of refined table salt and we see the evidence:

"Contains Iodide, an essential nutrient."


As if we NEED IT TO LIVE...as if refined table salt is the ONLY PLACE TO GET IODIDE."

But we forget that you grab a potato, cook it up, and eat the skin, and you've consumed more iodide than you're gonna need for a week using table salt!

We have grown so accusomed to drinking a de-natured animal secretion (milk), which was made by nature to nourish baby cows (not adult humans), and which is so often touted as being an essential source of calcium, that we forget that if you take a small head of broccoli, steam it up, stir fry it...or hell, eat it raw, that you get many times the amount of absorbable calcium than any glass of milk will ever get you.

We think "Garlique", a refined, odorless supplement (touted visibly by Larry King, who definitely looks like he needs something!) which attemtpts to synthesize the effective chemical compounds of garlic is somehow effective and superior to the little white cloves that mother Earth serves up for consumption...

And of course, we all KNOW that taking synthesized vitamins in tablet form are essential to insure one's health...you know, those supplements which cost lots of money, and which produce little but "expensive urine" (Ever see that golden yellow color, and smell that particular vitamin smell in it? That's what your body can't absorb, which is most of what is in those pills...save the amount that is collecting in your kidneys (those stones that people get from time to time...you don't want that!))?


Those nutirents are all available in absorbable and effective amounts in green, yellow and red vegetables, and in things like kelp and alfalfa and seaweed...in massive absorbable quantities that the body can use.


We forget.

We once inherently knew...like any animal.



Well put MID! I agree with all your points. I wonder what percentage of the population has any clue about these points. And if somehow everyone did go natural, could we support the longer living, healthy eating, poulation that might be the result?
MID
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ May 8 2008, 12:20 PM) *
Well put MID! I agree with all your points. I wonder what percentage of the population has any clue about these points. And if somehow everyone did go natural, could we support the longer living, healthy eating, poulation that might be the result?




Thank you, Rock...appreciate the comments!


I'm thinking that the percentage you seek is probably less than 20....

Rock Slinger
QUOTE (MID @ May 8 2008, 06:06 PM) *
Thank you, Rock...appreciate the comments!


I'm thinking that the percentage you seek is probably less than 20....


Your probably right and that is pretty sad.

Theres just nothing like whole, icky sticky, oowy goowy sun/wind dried sea salt. I got a new salt grinder going. Doesn't spread as well as I might like I am sure because of all the moisture in this almost dry ocean salt.

If ones chosen foodstuffs has the minerals, in balance, then sea salt may not be as potentially important, IMHO. But knowing what we do about our soils,... And of course all the vitamins and minerals like you said are in our sewer systems instead of our bodies from head to toe.. Meanwhile the many struggle to cope with the consequences if that is in fact an underlying cause. I am not a nutritional expert, but that I believe this is a HUGE problem.

Could be an easy answer to many people's lack of MOJO (life force) or overall health.

On a side note- MID, which Apollo is in your avatar? My dad worked on some of the laser technologies (interesting parts) while working with Raytheon/RCA/GE engineering back in the day.

Salt of the earth : quintessential ~. A person of great worthyness.: My dad thumbsup.gif
Rock Slinger
QUOTE (Siara @ May 6 2008, 02:44 PM) *
I think salt technology evolved before we saw the human body within the context of the rest of the biological world. We knew about evolution (most of us), we knew that life originated in the sea, we knew that we needed salt, but we didn't put it together that we used salt to create an internal ocean-like environment.


Nature has always provided nutritious, salty, sources of food since the dawn of man or we never would have survived out of the ocean. I agree that we never put 1 and 1 together for the masses to consume it to create internal oceans but with all the moneys spent on research in the world (many zeros) you'd think we'd have a better answer from the Mayo Clinic of it's efficacy in fixing or at least helping fix underlying mineral inbalances -by now.

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A significant fact to remember in this discussion is the fact that up until very recently salt was used mostly as a preservative, not as a spice, and not as a vitamin-type mineral. If sodium chloride preserved meat as long as sea salt preserved meat, then they were equivalent. My grandmother's first use of salt was as a preservative.


OK but your grandmother is an example of someone who was not aware of salt's healthful benefits because it just wasn't general knowledge in her particular era let's say (not much different today). But, salt has been recognized as being critical to ones health for many hundreds if not dare I say thousands of years.

Since humans can't live without getting enough, it's role was figured out in a way. On different levels of awareness no doubt... A balanced diet when attainable always included salty items.. Even early man would have craved it, figured out what satisfied the craving and never forgot.

I'm sure whole salts were use as a remedy/medicine to early ailments by early doctors that knew more about our internal oceans than todays internal medicine practitioners.

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I agree with all of the cooks here- there's absolutely no comparison between refined salt and sea salt. Sea salt is SO much more delicious. It's also good in skin ointments and such.


Everything tastes way better and at the same time you know it's more healthy.
Whispering Eagle
I use Sea Salt and it does taste better, but as for it being healthy for me, I do not know. What diseases would be non existent if we only used sea salt???
Lt_Ripley
we use sea salt here in the house - it actually having less sodium than table salt. CHF in the house ! Iodine is added to table salt .
Rock Slinger
QUOTE (Whispering Eagle @ May 10 2008, 12:13 AM) *
I use Sea Salt and it does taste better, but as for it being healthy for me, I do not know. What diseases would be non existent if we only used sea salt???


Excellent question and if researchers were serious about the study of natural solutions to illnesses we would know the answer (s). All diseases that have an underlying cause of a mineral imbalance might be eliminated for a general answer.

Inserted from one my earlier posts:

Iodine is only one of at least 80 trace minerals found in salt. So far it has been proven that we need at least 24 of these 80 and it is likely we just haven't figured out or been told about the rest. Linus Pauling, Ph.D. (Two time Nobel Prize Winner)once said: “You can trace every sickness, every disease, and every ailment to a mineral deficiency”. Our bodies can not make these minerals ourselves and they must be ingested.


It's not to say one can't live a good life without using the best sea salts of the world, just that with them, you are guarenteed a tasty source of easy assimiable essential, and many, so far unproven minerals, in the perfect natural balances that the oceans have basically maintained for milleniums. Without it, you are relying on your other food sources, which for most people would be lacking (todays farming techniques). If your family uses it throughout your life it would seem you would be maintaining your internal oceans mineral balance which may be mor important than we even know, and be extremely effective as a form of prevention, ENDORSED studies admittedly being lacking.
MID
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ May 9 2008, 08:56 AM) *
On a side note- which Apollo is in your avatar?



Rock...


That's Apollo 11 in my avatar...

Aanica
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ Mar 8 2008, 10:17 AM) *
Is there a conspiracy to hide the truth about one of the most important and healthful substances our bodies need to function properly? Consider this:

The human body is made up of approximately 60-80% water, depending on your age, sex and other factors. In our blood, the salt and mineral content somewhat mimics that of the ocean from which we and all life evolved. Without salt we die-

But, since industrialization in the past 150 years or so, we have replaced naturally harvested sea salt, and unrefined mine salt, both containing many naturally occurring minerals in natural balance, with Na Cl or Sodium Chloride table salt. Most people are aware that Table salt is iodized in order to prevent goitre. In this process iodine is added back into refined Na Cl to give us table salt. Luckily, because:

'Iodine is needed by the body for the production of hormones. These hormones are manufactured by the thyroid gland and are therefore commonly known as thyroid hormones. Thyroid hormones have many functions in the body, all of which are essential for normal physical and mental development, including growth. When the diet contains insufficient iodine, the thyroid gland cannot make enough thyroid hormone to satisfy the body’s need. The thyroid gland becomes enlarged due to its desperate efforts to produce the hormone; this enlargement is known as goitre, which is the outward sign of iodine deficiency.' -from the Iodine Network

Iodine is only one of at least 80 trace minerals found in salt. So far it has been proven that we need at least 24 of these 80 and it is likely we just haven't figured out or been told about the rest. Linus Pauling, Ph.D. (Two time Nobel Prize Winner)once said: “You can trace every sickness, every disease, and every ailment to a mineral deficiency”. Our bodies can not make these minerals ourselves and they must be ingested.

Here's the rub: It appears that today's highest centers for medical research, either haven't figured this out yet or worse they hide this truth from the public. I propose that Big Pharma is selling us back these minerals in the form of drugs, usually combined with some other chemicals in order to be Pattenable.

Here, arguable the most respected cancer and medical research organization in the world somehow overlooks the possibility that sea salt may be a healthful alternative to table salt. By comparing refined mine salt to refined sea salt these brains of the medical world have successfully compared Na Cl to Na Cl and found definitively that there are no differences.

Edit; Added: To be fair I have submitted a follow up question to the Mayo Clinic specifically asking if research has been done comparing unrefined sea salt to table salt in terms of healthfulness.


http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sea-salt/AN01142


I am a firm believer in naturally evaporated sea salt, I found I use less, feel better and generally like it because of the minerals. I shop where I can get different types from different oceans they all have a unique flavor and mineral content so you can use a grey with meat a mederteranian with salad and himalayan with fish Try them all if you are able some get very expensive but they go a long way.
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