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TooFarGone
As many of you have seen The Blasphemy Challenge has become quite a big thing on YouTube. It invites users to simply post a video online of them saying "I deny the Holy Spirit".

Why is this a big deal?

Well, according to Mark 3:29, "Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." So, in God's eye's (and those of Christians), this is the ultimate sin. God and Christ are preached as being filled with fast forgivness, saving those whom repent their sins.

So, my question is this:

I do not believe in God, Jesus Christ the son of God, or the Holy Sprit. I deny the existence of them. Therefore, I am an eternal sinner, blasphemous in the eye's of God, and damned to hell. So, do you Christians agree that, regardless of how good I live my life, and if I repent as I grow old and accept Christ into my life, that I am eternaly damned regardless?
Ozi
QUOTE (TooFarGone @ Mar 8 2008, 04:58 PM) *
As many of you have seen The Blasphemy Challenge has become quite a big thing on YouTube. It invites users to simply post a video online of them saying "I deny the Holy Spirit".

Why is this a big deal?

Well, according to Mark 3:29, "Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." So, in God's eye's (and those of Christians), this is the ultimate sin. God and Christ are preached as being filled with fast forgivness, saving those whom repent their sins.

So, my question is this:

I do not believe in God, Jesus Christ the son of God, or the Holy Sprit. I deny the existence of them. Therefore, I am an eternal sinner, blasphemous in the eye's of God, and damned to hell. So, do you Christians agree that, regardless of how good I live my life, and if I repent as I grow old and accept Christ into my life, that I am eternaly damned regardless?



How good do you think your life is, who is the judge of that. How do you judge that you are a good person. You dont need to believe in the trinity. Evil in the world is a result of the abscence of god in peoples minds and actions.
sewinglife/chimera
QUOTE (Ozi @ Mar 8 2008, 02:36 PM) *
How good do you think your life is, who is the judge of that. How do you judge that you are a good person. You dont need to believe in the trinity. Evil in the world is a result of the abscence of god in peoples minds and actions.



"I deny the Holy Spirit" and how is the abscence of god the root of evil, I don't bealive in god and I can say damn well that i'm not evil. Christians who think gods in their mind do terible crimes, like that guy who killed a abortionist to protect an enbryo," an embryo doesnt even have a sense of self, It doesnt even know its alive in the first place" And he killed this doctor in cold blood for that.
Darkwind
QUOTE (Ozi @ Mar 8 2008, 06:36 PM) *
How good do you think your life is, who is the judge of that. How do you judge that you are a good person. You dont need to believe in the trinity. Evil in the world is a result of the abscence of god in peoples minds and actions.



There is a lot of evil done in the world in the name of one God or another.
churchanddestroy
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Mar 8 2008, 12:45 PM) *
There is a lot of evil done in the world in the name of one God or another.

The ancient Jewish Rabbi Hillel put it best I think: What is hateful to you, do not to your brethren, this is the whole of the Torah, and the rest is commentary. I think he sums up the purpose of religion nicely. Don't mistreat people, its not what you would want done to you. This is what every religion teaches, no matter what else it says. Our purpose here is to learn to coexist, and if we cant do that we've failed in our purpose.
sqlserver
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How good do you think your life is, who is the judge of that. How do you judge that you are a good person. You dont need to believe in the trinity. Evil in the world is a result of the abscence of god in peoples minds and actions.

This should explain everything:
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Bella-Angelique
QUOTE (TooFarGone @ Mar 8 2008, 11:58 AM) *
Well, according to Mark 3:29, "Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." So, in God's eye's (and those of Christians), this is the ultimate sin.


Only those who absolutely know that God's existence is real can commit this sin. Non-believers cannot.
It is impossible to truly hate and defy something that does not exist to you.
eight bits
Umm, so nobody else thinks it's odd to take theological advice from avowed atheists? OK, so here's some from an agnostic:

Mark 3: 22-30 is about accusations at the beginnng of Jesus' career from those ever-pesky scribes. They said that Jesus was able to cast out demons because he had been empowered by the top devils to do so.

In reply, Jesus gives his famous "house divided" speech, and concludes:

28 Amen, I say to you, all sins and all blasphemies that people utter will be forgiven them.
29 But whoever blasphemes against the holy Spirit will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an everlasting sin."
30 For they had said, "He has an unclean spirit."

It is a specific blasphemy that is at issue in verse 29, to attribute to devils what is the work of God in the matter of casting out demons. There is nothing about the passage that whoever blasphemes means anybody other than those present there and then who blasphemed in this fashion.

So far as we know, the scribes never did repent this opening salvo in their epic jaw-battle with Jesus, and so indeed, would never have had forgiveness, if you accept any of the usual Chrsitian conventions about forgiveness of sins.

Even then, Jesus doesn't say they're going to be tossed into the lake of fire. Maybe he just curls his lip when he runs into them in heaven.
Gunmunky
What gets me is why Atheists feel the need to blasheme, when they don't beleive in God.
EmpressStarXVII
I'll never understand the reasoning behind defaming a spiritual belief that someone takes seriously. It's cruel. How exactly is it fun again?
sewinglife/chimera
QUOTE (EmpressStarXVII @ Mar 8 2008, 06:23 PM) *
I'll never understand the reasoning behind defaming a spiritual belief that someone takes seriously. It's cruel. How exactly is it fun again?



Its fun cause its known ignorants of a primative society that was passed over through time and is still ingrained in peoples mind, when with all of our scientific improvements has proven it to be false. Im not saying a god or a creator of our universe is impossible,I don't know, know one can and never will know that kind of information .But the bible and its god, are 100% proven false hood without a doubt.
Magikman
From the very top of this page;

Please always respect the beliefs of other members. The bashing of specific religions, countries, races or belief systems is strictly disallowed. A lot of the topics in this section cover some sensitive areas and it is important to respect other people's views. This means no flaming, no flamebaiting, no trolling and no personal attacks.

I'm more concerned that this was posted in the wrong section, however, if you wish to discuss this certain topic in the skepticism vs. spirituality category, it would probably be a good idea to run the idea past Saruman first. thumbsup.gif

Magikman
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