a1a2
Mar 14 2008, 05:59 AM
I'm not sure if someone posted this, but here we go anyway. I heard from my friend about this video and I looked it up. It was pretty weird but let me explain it first. So heres the story...apparently the Russians in 1940 did a experiment to see if a severed head can still live or along the lines of that. So they used a severed dog head (cruel isn't it) to test it, they hook the dog up to machines to make it survive, and then they poke his eyes and he starts to blink. The dog was alive at that point, and he took citrus acid (orange juice simply put) and put it on his face, eventually the dog starts to lick his mouth (that was kind of weird) and then they tap a hammer on the table, he starts to flinch his ears. So basically what I concluded was, Russian scientists did a experiment to see if a severed head could live, and to test that they poked his eyes to see if he blinks, they put orange juice around his mouth to see if he can still be able to use his tongue or test to see if he can still taste, then they tapped the hammer on the table to see if the dog can still hear. Now, is it true, or not? It doesn't sound very believable but I did a little research on it and I believe it is real. If anyone wants to see a video its right here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSrIkUXwsNkSo what are your thoughts on this?
Darkwind
Mar 14 2008, 11:52 AM
If you can keep blood and oxygen going to the brain I don't see why you couldn't keep a head a live. I have heard that when your head is cut off you are aware until your brain runs out of oxygen in about two or three minutes. Kind of a creepy thought.
goalienan
Mar 14 2008, 12:17 PM
Could be muscle spasms until the brain is declared dead....very creepy........
Anukis
Mar 14 2008, 12:46 PM
Just saw the video, i don't know if thats a hoax or not, couldn't see the severed head very well. But i do hope it's not true, thats serious animal cruelty. Whats wrong with people? what's the use of such experiment anyway? yes, its probable a severed head could live at least for a limited period of time, but are we going to attach our heads to machines in the future? tnx very much, I'd rather die instead of having my head surviving on a machine.
BiffSplitkins
Mar 14 2008, 01:06 PM
Sounds like something from Futurama

Orcseeker
Mar 14 2008, 01:17 PM
heard about the chicken who survived with half a brain? perhaps this happened to the dog, a piece of the brain was still present and in turn could well, keep it alive.
Yorgmiester
Mar 14 2008, 02:38 PM
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Mar 14 2008, 12:52 PM)

If you can keep blood and oxygen going to the brain I don't see why you couldn't keep a head a live. I have heard that when your head is cut off you are aware until your brain runs out of oxygen in about two or three minutes. Kind of a creepy thought.
Wow that would suck.I'd hate to die that way.
lars123456789
Mar 14 2008, 04:54 PM
QUOTE (Orcseeker @ Mar 14 2008, 02:17 PM)

heard about the chicken who survived with half a brain? perhaps this happened to the dog, a piece of the brain was still present and in turn could well, keep it alive.
That could pssibly be mike, that was a really nice story:D But the story i read was different if i remember right
Ausaria
Mar 14 2008, 06:00 PM
I'm pretty morbid and not easily offended... but come on. Look at that faaaaaaace.
bogcreeper
Mar 14 2008, 06:14 PM
I brought what I thought was an alread beaten to death large copperhead out of the woods one day. As I emptied it out of my backpack I could feel it squirm it's way out of it. As it fell off of the porch, we quickly went down and I chopped off its head (that I put in rubbing alchohol and it preserved for almost three years). I have heard of chickens flopping with their heads cut off, but what this snake did was fascinating. For twenty minutes we screwed with it, sticking sticks in its mouth to see what it would do. It took it's fangs and bit and crunched the sticks almost in a walking fashion up and down spewing a lot of venom. My friend sayed it hissed at the beggining. Anyway all I can say is that it was very interesting. Great snakeskin too!!
a1a2
Mar 14 2008, 07:36 PM
So from what I heard it looks like its true. Although a lot of people just say its a propaganda video and a lot of the things in the video didn't look right. Although, people say it could be possible because you actually could. There was a patent in 1998 that was passed for the severed dog head, but then there are reports of it being a prank or not existing. I've seen the video a few times and something about the head looks a little weird. Its tough to say unless theres pure proof or pure facts. On a side note I'm surprised no one has posted this yet. Its a great urban legend whether its real or not. Anyway, any other thoughts that this might be true?
furryman
Mar 14 2008, 07:56 PM
woow what a cruel experiment. animal cruelty
abadon19464
Mar 14 2008, 08:18 PM
I've seen this thing before. The Russians were big on these types of experiments and there was a follow up experiment after this that actually grafted the severed head of a dog into another dog's body, resulting in a two headed animal. There were apparently 22 of these creatures made for demonstration purposes so I'm guessing that the technology wasn't that difficult to master (and this was in the 50's).
QUOTE
The Isolated Head of a Dog
What could be more horrific than creating a two-headed dog? What about keeping the severed head of a dog alive apart from its body!
Ever since the carnage of the French Revolution, when the guillotine sent thousands of severed heads tumbling into baskets, scientists had wondered whether it would be possible to keep a head alive apart from its body, but it wasn't until the late 1920s that someone managed to pull off this feat.
Soviet physician Sergei Brukhonenko developed a primitive heart-lung machine he called an "autojector," and with this device he succeeded in keeping the severed head of a dog alive. He displayed one of his living dog heads in 1928 before an international audience of scientists at the Third Congress of Physiologists of the USSR. To prove that the head lying on the table really was alive, he showed that it reacted to stimuli. Brukhonenko banged a hammer on the table, and the head flinched. He shone light in its eyes, and the eyes blinked. He even fed the head a piece of cheese, which promptly popped out the esophageal tube on the other end.
Brukhonenko's severed dog head became the talk of Europe and inspired the playwright George Bernard Shaw to muse, "I am even tempted to have my own head cut off so that I can continue to dictate plays and books without being bothered by illness, without having to dress and undress, without having to eat, without having anything else to do other than to produce masterpieces of dramatic art and literature."
And here's the two headed dog:
QUOTE
Demikhov’s Two-Headed Dogs
In 1954 Vladimir Demikhov shocked the world by unveiling a surgically created monstrosity: A two-headed dog. He created the creature in a lab on the outskirts of Moscow by grafting the head, shoulders, and front legs of a puppy onto the neck of a mature German shepherd.
Demikhov paraded the dog before reporters from around the world. Journalists gasped as both heads simultaneously lapped at bowls of milk, and then cringed as the milk from the puppy's head dribbled out the unconnected stump of its esophageal tube. The Soviet Union proudly boasted that the dog was proof of their nation's medical preeminence.
Over the course of the next fifteen years, Demikhov created a total of twenty of his two-headed dogs. None of them lived very long, as they inevitably succumbed to problems of tissue rejection. The record was a month.
Demikhov explained that the dogs were part of a continuing series of experiments in surgical techniques, with his ultimate goal being to learn how to perform a human heart and lung transplant. Another surgeon beat him to this goal — Dr. Christian Baarnard in 1967 — but Demikhov is widely credited with paving the way for it.
Here's a youtube link for anyone who wants to see more on this guy:
Demikhov's Two Headed Dogs
Showgirl
Mar 15 2008, 12:00 AM
QUOTE (a1a2 @ Mar 14 2008, 05:59 AM)

I'm not sure if someone posted this, but here we go anyway. I heard from my friend about this video and I looked it up. It was pretty weird but let me explain it first. So heres the story...apparently the Russians in 1940 did a experiment to see if a severed head can still live or along the lines of that. So they used a severed dog head (cruel isn't it) to test it, they hook the dog up to machines to make it survive, and then they poke his eyes and he starts to blink. The dog was alive at that point, and he took citrus acid (orange juice simply put) and put it on his face, eventually the dog starts to lick his mouth (that was kind of weird) and then they tap a hammer on the table, he starts to flinch his ears. So basically what I concluded was, Russian scientists did a experiment to see if a severed head could live, and to test that they poked his eyes to see if he blinks, they put orange juice around his mouth to see if he can still be able to use his tongue or test to see if he can still taste, then they tapped the hammer on the table to see if the dog can still hear. Now, is it true, or not? It doesn't sound very believable but I did a little research on it and I believe it is real. If anyone wants to see a video its right here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSrIkUXwsNkSo what are your thoughts on this?
fake. the time it would take to sever the dogs head and then link it up to enough equipment to pump blood around its arteries in time to save its life... i very much doubt it could be done in time...
my verdict... FAKE.
Min
jakersHD
Mar 15 2008, 03:17 PM
Thats sick but im not sure about the tape, you only see the head so it could be fake, still weird.
Cr33p
Mar 15 2008, 03:25 PM
It's as real as it gets.
Haggis
Mar 16 2008, 11:25 PM
It reminds me of when I was young and used to watch my dad clean fish. I remember the fish heads still moving after they were cut off, like the mouths would open shut, and the whiskers and the eyes would move. My dad told us it was just the nerves of the fish that made the head still move.]
It was still creepy to see that as a kid though.
OldTimeRadio
Mar 20 2008, 02:30 AM
The ability to keep a dog's severed head "alive" for a few hours or even days has been possessed by "medical" science for the past 70 years. Experiments were successfully carried out in both the United State and Soviet Russia. There is nothing "fake" about it.
punkmonkey123
Mar 20 2008, 05:24 AM
It probably could be done in time, but I haven't been able to see the video (will try again later.)
I also notice alot of people considering it as animal cruelty. I really doubt it's animale cruelty unless they actually show the dog's decapitation in the video. (again, haven't seen it.)
Alex01
Mar 20 2008, 09:21 AM
I have to tell you guys that this experiment indeed happen, it is not a legend. The objective was to see if the brain could still function after a few moments after death and so making muscles move. They took a dead dog (the dog was already dead) and they cut his head and they contributed with blood to the head, this blood reached the brain and muscles along the head, and so keeping the brain alive, even after death! The conclusion on this experiment was that the brain can live after death if blood is circulating through it. But this would have to be done immidiatly after the death because after a few hours, it is simply imposible to reanimate the brain. So the question is, did they stop death? Most important question is, "Was the dog alive or dead during this experiment even after it died?" Quite contradictory isn't it? Did they manage to stop death?
We are just not sure.
leprechaun
Mar 20 2008, 03:24 PM
When the dog "head" flinches, what neck muscles and/or neck vertebrae are used to make the movement? It's just a head! The dog was drugged, his head poked through a hole in the table, and the so-called experiment was conducted. Seems like old Soviet propaganda or the old "bloody thumb" in the box joke.
Incorrigible1
Mar 20 2008, 03:27 PM
QUOTE (leprechaun @ Mar 20 2008, 10:24 AM)

When the dog "head" flinches, what neck muscles and/or neck vertebrae are used to make the movement? It's just a head! The dog was drugged, his head poked through a hole in the table, and the so-called experiment was conducted. Seems like old Soviet propaganda or the old "bloody thumb" in the box joke.
It might be worth your while to view the video before offering explanations that don't explain the situation being discussed. Just a suggestion.
Vixxy
Mar 20 2008, 04:33 PM
QUOTE
They took a dead dog (the dog was already dead) and they cut his head and they contributed with blood to the head, this blood reached the brain and muscles along the head, and so keeping the brain alive, even after death!
Wow, I didn't know that!

It makes that experiment all the more amazing (Although I suppose the dog would be dead anyway if they had to cut off its head while living... I confuse myself XD) - I don't doubt myself that it is real, but wow... Makes you wonder if this kind of thing will help with the whole cryrogenically frozen heads I assume they keep somewhere. XD Assuming they actually exist. I always knew Futurama was a possibility.
TickleMan
Mar 21 2008, 01:09 AM
Reminds me of this show i saw on national geographic channel (atleast i think it was natgeo) where this scientist Dr. White did a successful head transplant of a monkey...weird stuff
KyrusRose
Mar 21 2008, 01:25 AM
QUOTE (Incorrigible1 @ Mar 20 2008, 10:27 AM)

It might be worth your while to view the video before offering explanations that don't explain the situation being discussed. Just a suggestion.
Actually he made a good point. The head moves at the end.. and I don't mean a little.. the whole head shifts a good 6-8 inches from side to side (chin to forehead?). I don't really think what little was left of the neck could have sustained that much movement. It would likely be more like the neck would spasm and moved around when the muscles needed to move the head contracted, unless of course they have the neck, where the wires and tubes are hooked in, attached to the table.. I watched again just to see, and couldn't tell. The movement at the end makes me wonder about this one, but I know these tests have been done, so I'm on the fence about it.
GabrielArkAngel
Mar 21 2008, 09:00 AM
that is gross...
Wookietim
Mar 21 2008, 12:32 PM
I want to say this recollection is about Anne Boleyn, but I don't think that is right... Anyway she was about to be beheaded and promised to start blinking before and continue blinking as long as she could... The severed head continued to blink for a few minutes after the act was finished...
Pelican_Eel
Mar 21 2008, 06:03 PM
I remember my friend (who read alot of Victor Hugo and Alexandre Dumas) once told me, that guillotinated heads used to chew through the baskets they are put in after decapitation. Because of pain.
I don't know if that's truth.
Creepy nevertheless.
Quiet Pyramid
Mar 22 2008, 06:16 AM
Thats creepy in a hardcore kind of way....
Gunmunky
Mar 23 2008, 12:39 AM
I am not even gonna watch that. Holy crap.
OldTimeRadio
Mar 23 2008, 06:05 AM
QUOTE (punkmonkey123 @ Mar 20 2008, 05:24 AM)

I also notice alot of people considering it as animal cruelty. I really doubt it's animale cruelty unless they actually show the dog's decapitation in the video.
I hope I'm mis-reading you, but you
seem to be saying that cruelty is only cruelty when it's recorded on film or video. My apologies if that's not what you intended.
Alan W
Mar 24 2008, 07:11 PM
I can't view the video, could someone post screen shots please?
tigger
Mar 25 2008, 07:12 AM
reminds me of a certain song from
1993lol... sorry, just my very very bad sense of humour
Fugabutacus
Apr 6 2008, 01:18 PM
I agree that it moved a lot considering it didn't have any complete neck muscles. And it wouldn't be long before the dog died of starvation because it doesn't have a digestive system.
I feel sorry for the poor dog though. It's a cute dog too, poor thing.
But funny how videos like these always show it from that kinda angle, never from the angle that proves it's true. hmmm.
early-winter
Apr 11 2008, 12:02 PM
QUOTE (bogcreeper @ Mar 14 2008, 07:14 PM)

I brought what I thought was an alread beaten to death large copperhead out of the woods one day. As I emptied it out of my backpack I could feel it squirm it's way out of it. As it fell off of the porch, we quickly went down and I chopped off its head (that I put in rubbing alchohol and it preserved for almost three years). I have heard of chickens flopping with their heads cut off, but what this snake did was fascinating. For twenty minutes we screwed with it, sticking sticks in its mouth to see what it would do. It took it's fangs and bit and crunched the sticks almost in a walking fashion up and down spewing a lot of venom. My friend sayed it hissed at the beggining. Anyway all I can say is that it was very interesting. Great snakeskin too!!
Okay, there is something seriously wrong with you, if you think it's okay to do that to a living animal. Sicko.
Also, Doesn't anyone think that maybe the rest of the dogs body was under the table? HOAX.
OldTimeRadio
Apr 12 2008, 01:55 AM
QUOTE (early-winter @ Apr 11 2008, 01:02 PM)

Also, Doesn't anyone think that maybe the rest of the dogs body was under the table? HOAX.
Although I have
severe ethical and moral questions about such experimentations, they have been replicated for the past 190 years. Are they
all hoaxes?
There is nothing especially difficult about giving a severed mammalian head something of the semblance of life, at least for the very short-term, by the application of electrical energies. So why would a "hoax" even be necessary?
During the Napoleonic Wars of the early 19th Century European biologists used to visit the battlefields by night to experiment on the corpses of freshly-slain soldiers. They'd use wires attached to charged Leyden jars to make dead eyelids flicker, dead jaws "chew," dead fists clench and so on. They also did this with severed heads and limbs. It's how we obtained our earliest modern knowledge of the brain and nervous system.
Nobody has
ever suggested that these experimental results were "hoaxed."
Fugabutacus
Apr 12 2008, 01:27 PM
I can believe experiments like this are possible and have happened, but I doubt this footage is real. Perhaps there's real footage out there somewhere.
Papaver
Apr 12 2008, 02:50 PM
The footage is fairly well known and considered real. It didn't need to be faked because it is actually not hard, from a surgeons perspective, to keep a head alive for a while.
As other posters here have stated, they've been doing these experiments for decades, no need to fake it when it can easily be accomplished.
leprechaun
Apr 15 2008, 04:12 PM
Real scientific methods and data collection would allow for multiple camera views and an angle to see how the linkage to the arteries actually operated. It's set up like a sideshow. Show the cartoon first to "create" the possibility of dog's reanimated and then show one and only one view of the "show". And that last bit with the hammer. How can the head react with that type of movement? Without a neck and/or muscles; head motion would be at the beck and call of wind, table movement. You would think the head would be surgically shaved and mounted to have optimum observaton and data collection.
Papaver
Apr 15 2008, 04:15 PM
I think that maybe they'd already done all the scientific stuff many times before and knocked out that particular video for a squeamish public audience.
Just a thought...
OldTimeRadio
Apr 15 2008, 08:39 PM
QUOTE (leprechaun @ Apr 15 2008, 05:12 PM)

Real scientific methods and data collection would allow for multiple camera views and an angle to see how the linkage to the arteries actually operated.
That's certainly how we'd do it in the West. But is that necessarily true for the Soviet Union 68 years ago?
Kyle Rajasthan
Apr 15 2008, 10:12 PM
The video is real, and so is the experiment. To keep the dogs head alive, the device and plumbing were added before the head was completely severed. The purpose of the experiment was to see if a head (amimal or otherwise) could be kept alive independant of it's host body. Apparently, they were successful. Imagine for example; transplanting the head of somebody important to a criminals body. Now, reconecting nerves as complex as those found in the avarage spinal colum wasn't possible then (and probably not now either) but if the head could be kept alive, then it is resonable to assume that if the proper connections could be made, and rejection prevented, it might work. That was (and probably still is) the thought. I doubt very much that animal cruelty was even considered when these experiments were done. I think you will find that the Russians weren't the only ones that did those kinds of experiments. I heard a rumor about some chimps and a lab here in the U.S. that may have done some simmilar experiments in the 70's.
FairyJosie24
Apr 15 2008, 11:03 PM
QUOTE (BiffSplitkins @ Mar 14 2008, 06:06 AM)

Sounds like something from Futurama


That's what I was thinking, too.
OldTimeRadio
Apr 16 2008, 02:06 AM
QUOTE (Kyle Rajasthan @ Apr 15 2008, 11:12 PM)

Imagine for example; transplanting the head of somebody important to a criminals body.
By the way, when we
do successfully perform such a transplant, are we going to wind up with the "very important person" equipped with a new body
....or the criminal possessing a new head and brain? Or maybe a world leader suddenly exhibiting signs of criminal mania?
QUOTE
I doubt very much that animal cruelty was even considered when these experiments were done.
Especially by a government which held
millions of its own citizens in concentration camps for the "crimes" of being born to the "wrong" social class or believing in God or (worse) asking for free elections In fact it had just (1937-1938) "liquidated" millions more for the same "offenses." Why would it worry about a
dog?
GabrielArkAngel
Apr 17 2008, 07:30 AM
Finally Got A Youtube membership and watched the video.... THAT IS DISGUSTING!!!! Is It Real Or CG?
Incorrigible1
Apr 17 2008, 02:26 PM
QUOTE (Pred/Alien King @ Apr 17 2008, 02:30 AM)

Finally Got A Youtube membership and watched the video.... THAT IS DISGUSTING!!!! Is It Real Or CG?
Have you read any of this thread? Absolutely authentic.
Meltus
Apr 18 2008, 11:22 PM
just thought you might all be interested in this.
http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2006/01/sovie..._experiment.mp4you have to download it i'm afraid ><
interesting video though, where they drain all the blood from a dog so it is dead and revive it 10minutes later by pumping the blood back through it's body.
i've heard that scientists did it a few years ago except the dog was dead for around 3-4hours.
i can't vouch for it's authenticity as i found it randoly on the internet

interesting non the less.
Morak_Kilkaine
Apr 19 2008, 02:18 AM
QUOTE (Meltus @ Apr 18 2008, 07:22 PM)

just thought you might all be interested in this.
http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2006/01/sovie..._experiment.mp4you have to download it i'm afraid ><
interesting video though, where they drain all the blood from a dog so it is dead and revive it 10minutes later by pumping the blood back through it's body.
i've heard that scientists did it a few years ago except the dog was dead for around 3-4hours.
i can't vouch for it's authenticity as i found it randoly on the internet

interesting non the less.
I have no doubt that experiments like this have happened and more then likely still happen today. This particular video is kinda questionable with the amount of head movement I noticed while watching the video. As far as pumping the blood back into the dogs I remember reading an article about this a few years ago.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/11/magazine...ection4-21.html
OldTimeRadio
Apr 19 2008, 10:28 PM
Around a decade ago there was an interview on COAST-TO-COAST with a biologist who had killed dogs, drained them of blood, frozen them solid and then re-added the blood and revived them.
What he eventually discovered is that even when the animals were bloodless and frozen electrical currents remained active in their brains, albeit very muted, so they were never truly or terminally dead,
Scary For Kids
Apr 20 2008, 12:20 AM
I watched a documentary about a russian scientist who succeeded in grafting a dog's head onto the body of another dog. So the dog had one body and two heads. I think this was done in the 1950s. Both heads were alive and well in the documentary footage but it did say that they didn't live that long, but it was definitely more than a few days. So this is all definitely possible.
But of course, the arteries and veins have to be connected up to the tubes and pump immediately or the dog will die.
Pretty gruesome stuff, but I suppose it has to be done for scientific research.
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