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wizzosis
This is one of the tales of the supernatural that really interets me. An alternate reason to why the R.M.S Titanic REALLY sank on April 15 1912. Read the story the link is

Here

and then tell me what your views on it are.

oh oops, just realized it's in the wrong section. so sorry. could it be moved please?
Emma_Acid_88
QUOTE (wizzosis @ Mar 14 2008, 11:03 AM) *
This is one of the tales of the supernatural that really interets me. An alternate reason to why the R.M.S Titanic REALLY sank on April 15 1912. Read the story the link is

Here

and then tell me what your views on it are.

oh oops, just realized it's in the wrong section. so sorry. could it be moved please?


Well, for a start, the Titanic went down in an area riddled with icebergs. I didn't think there needed to be an alternative explanation.

Second, there was no mummy on the Titanic. In 1985, Charles Haas, the president of the Titanic Historical Society personally debunked it after finding the ships cargo inventory. The proper story can be found here. While I'm all for a good ghost story, a bit of research before you post wouldn't go amiss.
jaylemurph
QUOTE (wizzosis @ Mar 14 2008, 06:03 AM) *
This is one of the tales of the supernatural that really interets me. An alternate reason to why the R.M.S Titanic REALLY sank on April 15 1912. Read the story the link is

Here

and then tell me what your views on it are.

oh oops, just realized it's in the wrong section. so sorry. could it be moved please?


I wasn't aware the whole iceberg scenario was that unbelievable.

--Jaylemurph
Daughter of the Nine Moons
Moved to more appropriate forum
OldTimeRadio

There never was, and could not have been, any such official title as the "Princess of Amen-Ra." That would be as silly as claiming that Prince Phillip's official title is "the Duke of Jehovah." Royal titles then and now are based on places, not deities.
wizzosis
i just added this because i thouhgt it would be a fun thing to discuss and not something to be taken too seriously mate.
OldTimeRadio

By the way, I published a feature-length article on this particular "curse" in FATE magazine back around 1974 or 1975, under my real name (George Wagner).
Walter Sullivan
I remember the Princess of Amen-Ra story. I first read it in a book called "True Horror Stories". It always creeped me out, especially the part with the photographer taking a picture of the sarcophagus and the picture reveals a hideous deformed face on it. I keep imagining how horrible the face in the picture would have looked like.
Orcseeker
QUOTE (Walter Sullivan @ Mar 17 2008, 02:21 PM) *
I remember the Princess of Amen-Ra story. I first read it in a book called "True Horror Stories". It always creeped me out, especially the part with the photographer taking a picture of the sarcophagus and the picture reveals a hideous deformed face on it. I keep imagining how horrible the face in the picture would have looked like.

any idea where the pic would be now?
Emma_Acid_88
QUOTE (OldTimeRadio @ Mar 15 2008, 08:20 PM) *
There never was, and could not have been, any such official title as the "Princess of Amen-Ra." That would be as silly as claiming that Prince Phillip's official title is "the Duke of Jehovah." Royal titles then and now are based on places, not deities.


American and English society at the turn of the century was obsessed with Egyptology. It was in art, design, architecture.... Using a generic egyptian-sounding name like "Amen Ra" would have caught the public's attention, but just goes to show that the whole thing was made up.
OldTimeRadio
QUOTE (Emma_Acid_88 @ Mar 17 2008, 11:11 AM) *
American and English society at the turn of the century was obsessed with Egyptology. It was in art, design, architecture.... Using a generic egyptian-sounding name like "Amen Ra" would have caught the public's attention, but just goes to show that the whole thing was made up.


Indeed. From the 1840s through at least the 1920s. The old New York City jail, built in the 1840s, was known as "the Tombs" because the building was designed in imitation of ancient Egyptian temples and tombs. And in the 1920s jazz dances were written as "Egyptian fox trots." [A much later example of an Egyptian fox trot is "When I'm 64."]

However it wasn't "Amen-Ra" I was objecting to but "Princess."
OldTimeRadio
QUOTE (Orcseeker @ Mar 17 2008, 09:51 AM) *
any idea where the pic would be now?


No, alas. And I don't think anybody else knows either. In fact, I'm not certain there's anybody yet alive who has seen it.

What we do know is that the photograph did exist and that it was actually displayed in the case with the mummy-board (that is, cover) around the turn of the 20th Century. Witnesses averred that it was a photograph of a living female face, evil and malignant and alive with rage.

But when I researched my FATE article 30-plus years ago I wrote to the Curator of Egyptian Antiquities at the British Museum and asked him whether I could obtain a copy of the Museum photograph. The Curator replied that nobody had seen the photograph for many decades and that he had no idea whether it even still existed.

Other searches, including a much more recent Google image search, proved equally fruitless.

However, color photographs of the mummy-board as it still exists in the British Museum (so much for going down with the Titanic!) are easily available, but show no paranormal effects.
Orcseeker
QUOTE (OldTimeRadio @ Mar 18 2008, 01:26 PM) *
No, alas. And I don't think anybody else knows either. In fact, I'm not certain there's anybody yet alive who has seen it.

What we do know is that the photograph did exist and that it was actually displayed in the case with the mummy-board (that is, cover) around the turn of the 20th Century. Witnesses averred that it was a photograph of a living female face, evil and malignant and alive with rage.

But when I researched my FATE article 30-plus years ago I wrote to the Curator of Egyptian Antiquities at the British Museum and asked him whether I could obtain a copy of the Museum photograph. The Curator replied that nobody had seen the photograph for many decades and that he had no idea whether it even still existed.

Other searches, including a much more recent Google image search, proved equally fruitless.

However, color photographs of the mummy-board as it still exists in the British Museum (so much for going down with the Titanic!) are easily available, but show no paranormal effects.

good effort trying to find it, I hope it does turn up sometime in a collectors Egyptian collection.
OldTimeRadio
There seems very little if any doubt that there were passengers on the Titanic, and later survivors on the lifeboats, who believed that there was a cursed mummy sailing with them on the doomed liner.

That story seems to have been the literary invention of the famous London publisher William T. Stead, who regaled his fellow passengers with it in the first-class lounge and dining -salon. He seems to have based his fictional yarn on the "Priestess of Amen-Ra" accounts which had been so famous in London 12-15 years earlier. The mummy tale quickly spread throughout the ship, clear down into third c lass and steerage.

Perhaps Stead's story cursed him, since he went down with the ship.
Alan W
QUOTE (wizzosis @ Mar 14 2008, 06:03 AM) *
This is one of the tales of the supernatural that really interets me. An alternate reason to why the R.M.S Titanic REALLY sank on April 15 1912. Read the story the link is

Here

and then tell me what your views on it are.

oh oops, just realized it's in the wrong section. so sorry. could it be moved please?


So...
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OldTimeRadio
It must have been fairly common for trans-Atlantic ships to carry Egyptian mummies on board during the 19th and very early 20th Centuries. However else did the hundreds of mummies which arrived at North American museums during those decades get here? They certainly didn't fly.
Great Big Sea
An ice burg made the Titanic sink, although I have a story about the Egyptian Princess in one of my books, at home. I just can't remember which one it is.
Fugabutacus
http://www.freewebs.com/urbanbee/horror/titanicmummy.htm

its on snopes too, click the titanic section! www.snopes.com
OldTimeRadio
The legend states that the "cursed mummy" had been sold by the British Museum to the New York Museum of Natural history and was thus being shipped aboard the Titanic.

But as the noted Egyptologist Sir E. A. Wallis Budge later poined out, the only way a British Museum artifact can be sold is through a specific Act of Parliament. Any Museum curator who attempted such a sale on his own, even if kept not a dime of the transaction for himself, would find himself in prison for a very long time.
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