I sometimes think about things like:
If simple elements formed to create gases in the universe, solid matter as planets, asteroids, stars, then bacteria, viruses, plant life, water, etc.......My question is: What created the simple elements? How? What energy went into motion? What is energy? Where does it come from? What was the Universe before the Universe? How could it have no beginning? And if an intelligent being or "God" created such things, what created God? How can anything have a beginning if there was nothing there beforehand? Do ya kind of see what I'm saying here? I mean, like the "Big Bang" theory sounds ridiculous to me. What was here before the Big Bang?. And what made the Big Bang happen?... And whatever made the Big Bang happen, where did that come from?.........Seems mind-boggling to me.....Anyone have some real answers?

I think of that sometimes too. I am now currently questioning whether "God" exists. Im a Christian and all but "God" doesnt seem to be helping me . Its hard to tell if anything exists at all. What created this? What created that? Where was the start? Im starting to think there is no beginning or end.

what if ur right and there is no beginning or end does that mean that God doesn't exist ?

Who knows and Im starting to not care.

energy is the ability to do work

Everything is made of energy, the Earth, the moon, etc. As demonstrated by E=mc². So energy doesn't really come from anywhere.


There are theories in physics that say that the big bang was caused by collisions between branes.

The Big Bang Theory says that a small piece of matter, smaller than an atom, got so hot(like a star) and kind of "exploded." What doesnt make sense, is where did that matter come from? I have a strange idea. A small piece of matter in OUR universe(the same matter that was the big bang) is home to ANOTHER universe, maybe just like ours. For example, our universe, is just a tiny little piece of matter(like the big bang) in a much larger universe. So its kind of like a staircase-cycle thing. Our universe is just a small piece of matter to a much bigger universe, and a small piece of matter to us, can be a universe in itself. :Confusing, I know

I think you have some great questions there, I can't offer any answers though.
there has to be a beginning at some point, but how and what it came from?
Very strange to ponder indeed.
Even the people that tell you God made the universe can't tell you where God came from.

I'm a newbie here so if i say anything stupid or if my English are bad plz forgive me.

These things indeed have no answer(i hope some day they will be answered)!

The topic says "Things that seem to have no answer" so i'm going to ask you that.

They say that Evil(or Devil say it as you want)was once a high-ranking angel who was originally perfect in all his ways. At some point in the past, he was overcome with pride and instigated a large rebellion against God. The Lord reacted by kicking the devil out of Heaven.

I'm going to ask you that:
If God created everything including angels why did he kicked devil (ex-angel) out of Heaven and didn't just destroyed him(Here you can say that God is good and gentle but then why did He kicked him out of Heaven and didn't give him another chance?)

I Have a possible answer:
Maybe he left him to see if humans are vulnerable in temptations. Are we humans in test if we can rule the world? Were there other species in our place before?

I do believe in God i'm a Christian and i won't stop believing because it helps me to have someone always on my side supporting me.

As for those questions about God and how he created the Universe and all these things, i learned that if you try to answer them the answer will bring more questions, but that's the human nature to be curious about everything.

Most people are stuck on the idea of a beginning of everything. It's hard to fathom, but what if there was no "beginning" to everything. Look at it like a line, traveling nonstop in both directions. Our universe is merely a point on that line, traveling in a positive direction. Just because our universe didn't exist at one point does not mean everything started with it.

The beginning started somewhere. we just have to find out where.i believe god started it, and when I die, I'll ask him where he came from.

I've wondered the same thing myself quite a bit and came up with my own answer - there must be something that has always been and always was, and that is what I refer to as God. It works for me.

That was exactly my point. Sure, our known universe started somewhere, and theories exist to tell such a tale. What I was deterring from was an endless cycle of "Where did God come from, who created his maker..." so on and so forth.

If there's a lot of dimensions in everything which make the whole things works... how can we answer where this whole things came from and how if we can only observed the dimensions where we from..... theres the problem... we lack of information about everything.... the right substances are unknown to us and might be impossible for us to comprehend with our level of thinking or worst we cant feel them......


Sometimes I ask this question when Im having lucid dream... but unfortunately... i only get snobbish responses or sometimes funny answers.......

I guess if we can talk to the ultimate beings... they may also say that we all came from nothing.. since thats the only opposite of everything... both extremes.....

This may not be what you were expecting but imho, it is not far from the truth.

nothing
because nothing exists due to a simple rule and it's because of that rule that nothing can appear to be something ie. the simple elements
all and none
nothing from nothing
nothing
because nothing has no beginning nor end
there is no necessity for god
the universe is not "anything", it is everything = nothing, and nothing is exempt from beginning or end
It may sound ridiculous but one of the views with the BB (Big Bang) theory is that space-time formed as a result of it, so, a question like "what was here before the BB?" becomes meaningless because you're referring to a place that is 'created' by the BB. The best way IMHO, to think of the BB is to think of it as a transition. What 'created' the BB always was. The 'universe' (nothing) always was but the BB event serves to usher in the universe as we know it.

Ok, one of the questions that must be asked, given the above hypothesis, is, how can nothing exist or how can nothing be something? I say that the universe is nothing but clearly, in our everyday lives, we deal with things, with some-things all the time. How can it be that they don't actually exist? ...the simple answer to this, without giving too much away, is that we never deal with all the 'things' all the time.

Cheers

"Beginnings" is a concept we came up with because its an apparantly required THING for this universe to exist. Truth be told I think that "beginning" in itself loses all meaning at and before the point in which the universe came into existance. Beginning is a part of this reality, the universe didn't "begin" in my opinion, it was a result of something else where the concept of "begin" has no meaning.

EVEN ME............... I AM STARTING TO WANDER..........................WHAT CREATED THE BEGINNING?

The end of what was before.

And the end of what was before doesn't necessarily require a beginning because a beginning is limited to time and at the point of the big bang time was very much non existent or inconsistant.

I dislike theories about before the universe and it being so different we can't use our concepts to understand it. It's almost the exact same situation of "God is above us and our logic, physics, thinking, etc cannot apply to him", but the science version.

If you think of a circle the line or circumference is continuous and doesnt really have a beginning or end, i think thats what how the universe began and time an shizzle is like.

I think you've actually got it sort of right.

We tend to think of things in a humanistic way - that time flows from start to finish, that things have a "birth" or origin and a "death", that existance has to have a reason, and that predictable laws can be followed and allowed for.

None of this is true on the subatomic scale, and its on this scale that we're finding out more and more about the beginning of the universe.

I don't like this wishy washy spritual nonsense, it over emphasises our place in the universe - these things do have an answer, they're usually very scientific and come down to some frankly intimidating mathematics.

This is about the 3rd time I've said this in a week about similar posts - you're asking for a Big Answer to your Big Question, full of profanity and deep meaning, when there simply isn't one.

Bugger! You beat me to it. I was going to waffle on about how we limit ourselves to experience and think that things must have a beginning or an end...nevermind though:-)

only god can create such perfect cycles of life, and god is not a living being, god is an energy source that remains with the creations, insuring the perfect cycle

i belive in spirits of the earth and time....i dont belive in god but its cool people do......if its what u truely have faith in u wont dout it....its part of u.....part of life...love and faith in something... im sleepy...

I think this sometimes too. Does anyone know if it is true that scientists have created their own universe using a particle accelerator thingy?

do your mind a favour, stop thinking bout it, i use to think of it all the time... just really blows you away and i dnt think anyone will find the answer to these questions ever.. there is no real way of knowing

I don't know what it's called but it's when you take a strip of paper twist it once then tape the ends together. Whatever you call it,Thats what I pictured the universe as. No beginning,no end,no inside,no outside. Now ai gaurdians answer has me so screwed up it'll take me a week to get all this crap outta my head. Say what?

Terry Pratchett quote: "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded"


I have to agree with those who are talking about the human concept of linear time and space with boundaries. If you start thinking in circles - or mobius strips like Wreck said - everything starts to make sense. If you want it to.

i kind of boil things down to a paradox. like everything is an isnt at the same and different time.
beyond wot we can perceive the universe is infinitly complex and any answer/theory someone thinks of or expounds can be both true and false.
i beleive the universe isnt limited by wot our puny human minds can comprehend.

so....yes and no.

I think that the begining was nothing.
I think now is nothing.
I think the end is nothing.
which makes there be no begining and no end, only nothing LOL

and somehow that nothing got split into positive something and negative something.
which by my thinking would expand positively and negatively until they can't anymore,
in which case they would start reverting closer and closer to zero again.
and then that zero might get split into positive something and negative something all over again.

I am not sure if that's even possible,
but it is the ONLY way for me not to go crazy thinking about this lol.

atleast it works in a purely mathamatical way.

EDIT: lol hey there ai guardian I didn't read your post before I posted, but I see we are thinking alike.
"we never deal with all the things all the time" <--- YES that is what I was getting at.

here is an old post I made:My Post
if you read my old post you will see that I agree with brick hithouse. I do not think I have a puny brain though LOL

excerpt:
"Humans create lines and levels, that are not there. everything is perspective, and there can be only one truth. that is ZERO... Zero is everything and nothing at the same time... 0 = 1 + -1the point is that all levels are correct, but only in that level. But take away the level and it's all degrees. is air clear? is your computer clear? Or is one just more clear?
Mabey you all get my meaning?
Levels have a use of course, but only till that next artificial line that is drawn.
at one level blue is different from red, but on another level they are both light at slightly differing wavelengths in relation to the theroretical wavelengths possible."

I think I am oversimplifieing this...

...and overcomplicating this at the same time... hehe


-muddy

you micht want to get hold of any of the ramacharaka books - especially 14 lessons in occult philosophy, and gnani yoga(the yoga of wisdom)
and although you will still be boggling , one will be nearer the truth. i am , certain.

best wishes

Hi there Muddyfrog...good to see you here again I see you know (more or less) what I am trying to convey

To some this may seem like nonsense (as well as my previous post in this thread) but don't be fooled by the way some things look. The only thing that is not understood in the above is "nothing".

Not quite, but you are awfully close.

LOL, I know where you're coming from. It's as if it is the only solution that finally puts to rest, amongst other peculiarities, the infinite regression of "...and what created that....and what created that..." ad-infinitum.

AND it works in a 'physical' way too! The proofs (in mainstream physics ) have been around for a long time.

I know we think alike. I believe it was you that I had a discussion with some time ago in this section about being able to willingly and quickly enter AND OBSERVE an extremely deep-conscious state. We even seemed to have the same techniques! I am quite certain it was you I had this discussion with. If that is so, then you already know the answers, it's just that your auxillary knowledge is not yet able to make full sense of them.

I know exactly what you mean here and although the analogies imo are not entirely correct the principle is.

@Wreck7,
Sorry, I've purposefully kept the "enigma wrapped up in a puzzle". I've just rearranged the puzzle pieces closer together but not close enough - on purpose.

Cheers

well this may sound like a stupid theorie (and I myself know of loads of evidence that go against it) but what if something in the future of our world actually created/caused the big bang and that it was sent through time to the moment the big bang actually happened, that would sort of make sense wouldn't it?

There is a physical element to this question, and a philosophical /spiritual one. The physical one is fairly well established. The best way to understand it is to read some articles from magazines like the national geographic, which explain it so the average intelligenced, if non scientifically educated, person can get a handle on it.

The problem and you can see it happening here, is that people try to tie the big philosophical questions of life into the physical history.

Science does not look at, or seek to explain, philosophical/spiritual question such as why? It only looks at how. I know that when i read big bang theory it made sense, and fitted in with the other facts of which i was aware, but i cant remember the physical explanation well enough to give a satisfactory account.

My understanding is that all the matter in the universe was packed into a relatively small ball( maybe the molecules were so condensed there was no space between them, or maybe the molecules as such did not actually exist in a form we would recognise now, and everything was in an energy form) with force /energy holding everything in place. this required a collosal binding force. At some point this binding force broke down and the ball began to expand at a great rate.

Much of the energies of binding were translated into other energies and matter was also transformed into a varirty of much less dense states. Some postulate that there was also anti matter involved which somehow provided a counterbalance to the matter we commonly experience.

And thats about it for me, except that eventually the energies of binding, which were translated into energies of expansion and construction, will be counter balanced by energies of entropy and attraction. At that point the universe will begin to contract as the binding forces begin to pull it back together. A countervailing view is that the two may never balance and the universe will continue, basically, a never ending expansion, with individual elements within the universe continually drawing further and further apart.

i agree what some that have post here about the nothing thing
i've also read it somewhere
if nothing can become something then i think thats enough to answer the question

if you want to have a better understanding then i guess you should not consider yourself as human because we humans are all limited we cannot even imagine what was a 4 dimensional world looks like nor can give a clear and exact answer to all of our questions, because of our limited understanding our answers produce many questions, means a questions can produce tons of additional questions and once answered produce more questions
well a human nature
anyway im not telling you that you should make yourself nonhuman, what im trying to tell you is to go beyond what we human can understand (if thats ever possible) i guess its extremely hard
i remember this quote i once read, "Doing what others cannot do is talent and doing what is beyond talent is genius"

o well its really hard for me to explain whats up on my head
anyway i hope it makes sense

Yeah that was me, if you're talking about the "buzzing" or "vibrational" tech.
But that is just my problem. Nothing that I ever figure out for myself is figured out in the english language.
It's all in my head lol.

Basically I have feelings (intuitions) about what this reality is, but they're deep in my concsiousness, and hard to express. If I encapsulate my thoughts then I can say them, but my thoughts are not capsuals, they are more like waves. I chose each day in life in each moment how things are stored in my consciousness, memory, brain, whatever... they can be big, spread out, fuzzy, super dense, and unthinkable. And I can see how my whole childhood was stored differently than now, and how each thing is stored somewhat differently each second. No matter how I store them they are all wrong, to an extent.

I took a break from the boards, because my life is being as weird as ever.
Just harder now...

by the way ai, I can't really say what I mean by "nothing." In my case, however, it's not because I don't want to.
I'm not really sure how far down this road I want to go, and I realize that my whole life has only left me with psychological constructs,
that I just don't want to lose for fear of losing any perspective at all

and mabey I have to. who knows?

Like you said, PulsE, to think "big" you have to understand how little you may know.
And accept that everything you know is based on a tiny piece of a puzzle that is unsizeable...

Mr. Wlaker, I wouldn't understand what a bike was if all I looked at was the pedal. I have found you have to keep everything (or nothing) all together if you want to undstand. If you do that though, you can't talk about it, and so it is that you cannot explain the highest truth. Or rather you can, but the meaning will change as soon as you say it.
And how are you sure that the bike is even there to begin with?

as for the big bang, why would the begining be a battle of almost exactly equal forces oposing each other, unless what I am saying is pretty clsoe to truth.
The "universe energy ball" (cosmic egg) would have to come about exactly when the forces did.
Why does every action have an equal and opposite reaction?
If I keep speaking in this limited way I can't ever express what I think truth is.
The only alternative is saying:

EVERYTHING IS NOTHING.

what do you guys think?

-Muddy

I think the ultimate answers to some of those questions are beyond our sensual ability to grasp them. By that I mean I believe life is concentric. For instance the electrons revolve around the nucleus of an atom. Atoms bond to form elements. The elements bond in a concentric manner to form molecules. The moon revolves around the earth, the earth and other planets revolve around the sun. The solar system revolves around the black hole in the center of our Galaxy. And Im sure that our Galaxy and the countless other galaxies revolve around something else, which revolves around something else, and so on and so on.

Even our concept of time is concentric. The minute revolves around the second. The hour revolves around the minute. The day around the hour, the week around the day, the month around the week and the year around the month, and so on and so on.

To truly understand something you have to look at it from a completed view to get that ‘ahaa!’ perspective. How can you do that when the structure always seems to have another layer of actuality?

There are a few elements which can't be created, because they require more heat than anything (that we know of) in the universe can produce. I might be wrong but I think hydrogen molecules are one of them, the only thing hot enough would be the big bang and they make up most of the universe.

The theory is that gravity and electromagnetism is pretty much the beginning, existence and the end of everything. So eventually everything will fall back into one point and the whole big bang thing starts all over again, and again, etc. It doesn't matter what path you take, everything's future lies in a singularity