What EK said.

It is churlish to complain that you got what you asked for and that it turned out to be what you expected.

Papaver has the right idea. One step has been taken, and here is the next step.

Agreed, Heart did well enough. Heart did what he said he was going to do he put a video on here.
He did not say that he was going to do anything fancy, just a pin/psiwheel on video.

But, now that he has taken that step! I think its time to take the next step and up the anti with the
pin/psiwheel.



Regards,
Tom

Tried and tested by me, read this website. Title is NO TK IS INVOLVED AT ALL

http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Uncovered%20psi%20wheel.html

I'll be sure to start the pin wheel under the water...

Didn't you read my post fella? I'm saying that psi wheels having nothing to do with telekinises or whatever, its heat. And here's my proof

http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Uncovered%20psi%20wheel.html (Long Read)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdBE3t2S95I (A video proving it)


Not trying to be offensive.. Just think you should find yourself a new hobby mate

But, like everyone on here has stated, if it moves, while in a completely sealed container, than there is something more going on...

Heat can go through. Ever felt the heat from a fire through your window? Like in the car when driving passed a bush fire. All comes down to the same thing. Proof is up there as posted earlier

Not everyone Heart! Papaver suggested you use this setup. Though it will make it harder to spin, it can still
spin due to convection currents.

Say for instance you put hot water on that plate then cover it with a clear glass bowl! This will accordingly
cause hot air currents to rise in the bowl, therefore causing the pin/psiwheel to spin. Basically the same thing
would apply if you were to put cold water on the plate, Hotter air above pushing against the colder air below
would cause convection currents, therefore causing the pin/psiwheel to spin.

Pin-wheels used to be used in schools as a tool to measure convection currents.

Personally! I would not use a pin/psiwheel to try and prove the abilities you think you have.
A pin/psiwheel is just to easily manipulated by external effects.


Regards,
Tom

I never said that convection is ruled out...I simplily said that if I can move the psi wheel, while it is in the container, than the odds still go up in my favor...Once I accomplish that, I can mov eon to something else to prove it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NwRfMJgOQ

In the other video posted by this guy, he shows the problem with attributing it to convection currents.


Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFcahzu4E5A&feature=user

I don't know about you guys, but it really seems like he covers all the bases.

NO, the odds will not go in your favor. Because, one cannot rule out the possiblity of it being moved by convection currents.




That video of Mattmans was only one set up. It does not disprove that convection currents are the
cause for the pin/psiwheel spinning.

No, but it sure as hell makes a strong case.

Actually, it does not. That was only one setup! If he went through numerous setups with the same results,
then that would be a strong case.

I neer ruled out the posibility of convection...But if you seal it in a container, and it still moves...then the variable of wind moving it is eleminated, thus increasing the odds in my favor...Once I do that, I can try to get something that is heat proof or somehting....I'm gonna put hot water from my faucet, and put in in a mug, around the sealed psi wheel...See what happens...If I must, I'll also do boiling water, if it doesnt move with faucet water...If it stays still with boiling water, convection is thus outruled...Beause heat is not getting in from my body or the surronding area...

And what particularly about that setup are you suggesting caused the results to be what they were, and what do you hypothesize would change those results?

Ok heart. Take your time. But eventually I hope you will move something more than psiwheel ok?

I know...I might try the floating pin on the cork thing...Dont hav a cork though lol...

Not the cork on the water unless you can make it move fast cause it can move without any external stimuli at all. I was actually thinking of moving a small dice or something light. The cork can move on the water because the molecules move and hit the cork. Its in my textbook a while ago. If you don't mind my saying though.

Actually, I haven't. There is no need to lie with the believers herer. How mature of you?

He did not do it how we asked. He did it so it was easy to be proven wrong. We aren't scared of a outcome. We know the outcome. Boo ya.

2 reasons you did it this way.
1. Cause doing it right would have proven you wrong.
2. *******SNIP*******

More excuses......

What makes you think its so easy to do it how you ask. Do you even understand what its like? You do not. You are a skeptic so you would not know the practise needed to move the wheel even a bit.

If you know the outcome, why are you bothering with the video?

Because I would love to be proven wrong. I always have the hope that it will be proven real. I would love that.

That is not in accordance to what you once said. You said before that you have no hope that you will be proven right because it is fake. And now you said that you hope you will be proven right. I seriously doubt now that you have ever practised in your youth the mysteries of psychic because your words in the past do not match what you said now.

Not off one particular video. In general, I can't wait for the day that I am proven wrong. On hearts video, I always thought he was a 14 yearold making up stories. They generally are prone too.

Believe what you want, I know what I have done. I was onece a fantasy prone youth like you too. Thats why I did try it. Love you too.

Eric, while I appreciate your stance there's no need to be quite so rude and abrupt with people; the same points can be put forward in a civil manner and without the personal attacks.

Thank you.

Thank you saruman...That was needed....Eric really needs to do this nicely, I know he hates psions, cause we claim to do stuff, that he never was able to accomplish...But everyone tries to be atleats kinda nice round here...So Eric, you need to...

Sorry, I will watch the tone. Some times it is very hard.

I agee to be nicer. Will you agree to do a better test???

As I previously stated, I am working on the sealed container..Papavers method to be exact...At this point I can get it to wobble, but it wont rotate...

Awesome. We are all one big happy family again. Psions and skeptics, holding hands and singing kombiya--a great big cosmopolitan of at-odds obduracy.

In all truthfulness, kudos to you, Heart, for putting up the vid. Though it didn't sway me over, I can appreciate your initiative.

Satan's tinkles,
Nathan

Thanks...

Im getting bored so I will take up psi wheels. and nice idea papavar but Im just getting a clear salad bowl and some playdoh then Ill do the blow dryer . You guys just wait. And you guys need to chill. Same thing being stated over and over. And dont worry I have a pro video camera=pro video film

Singing kobiya, around a campfire, eating marshmellows and shmores...On a nice little camping trip to the land of peace...Lol......

But whats this?! Skeptics getting in an arguement with the believers! Oh no! Our perfect tranquility has been shattered!

I'll try to make a vid too... oh and Eric, it's not that psionics "claim" to have power, they have it, like every other human has. You only need to develop them.
So for a change try to think positive go to www.psipog.net (sorry if it is not aloud to post links) and read one article about telekinese, try it every day one week long, and you'll be a psionic too .
it's not that hard to be a psionic or how you want to call it.

greetz Cyrhax

oh and heart keep up the good work, because I appreciate your courage to learn TK (telekinese) and to show it to other people.

Thats your own unscientific, unproven, undocumented, and unbelievable opinon. Don't state it like fact.

Don't state your opinion of disbelief as fact either Eric...

Since none of this has ever been proven at all, then untill proven otherwise it is as good as a fact. You act like I want to disbleive, which is not the case. I just want the truth. Boo ya.

I wnat the phrase BOO YAH to be outlawed on this forum...So annoying...

i can't believe i read through this whole thread. it provided some cheap entertainment though...

I love Boo-ya. UM wouldn't be the same without it.

And you'd miss it, too, H.

I don't get the boo yah. What does it mean?

I'm pleased that you are doing that. The experiment will be more in the spirit of the scientific method. My setup may not be perfect but I can't think of a problem with it at the moment. All I am trying to do is eliminate the obvious causes to get closer to the phenomenon, if there is one and you are starting to go the right way about it.

Can you make these things actually spin around? Is that your claim? I mean actually spin, not move a little and then settle, move a little and settle etc. If so can you do it under cover of a container? Can you make these things actually spin and complete several rotations because in your video it only moves a little bit.

I need to try to explain something that I feel is quite important. I have no emotional investment in outcomes. I have no rigid belief system. I have an attatchment to the method used to find a truth, the scientific method. Outcomes can change my beliefs if the scientific method is adhered too. That's seems to be the big difference between a skeptic and a believer. The skeptic is true to the method and loses nothing if he is proved wrong. Quite the opposite in fact - we gain something new. I am happy to find something new if it is discovered by the correct means. I find the problem with believers in all kinds of things is that they start with the positive belief and try to make it fit with their world and their practices.

I do not work like that. My investment is in the tool, not the outcome. I want you to have TK I just don't believe it.





That method would be fine if you can prove the seal with the dryer.




Heartagram,

Could we start by you saying how you intend to make the wheel behave before you start making the video for I feel that this is vitally important. Can you make it spin? Can you say in which direction? I'd be happy with you just saying that it will complete at least <insert figure> rotations and then come to rest. Or that it will spin fast and then when you stop TK it will slow to a stop.

What I'm trying to say is "What do you claim you can do to a psi wheel?" This is very important. We need a claim before we start and we need to agree upon what constitutes success.

It is the outward sign by which Eric conveys to us a hint of his ineffable bliss, a thing which is beyond knowing, and which cannot be described in words.

Except the words "boo" and "yah." A frightening confirmation, I'm guessing.

Those two simple words carry such weight in meaning.

Ummmm.... If you want skeptics not to attack you, I suggest you do the same and refrain from any hatred on this forum.






lol....

Gimme a minute to prove how stupid the whole 'psi-wheel' thing is.

Dam YouTube... still waiting for Email Verification.

I have one moving around on my coffee table right now, all on its own!

I'm sure you can easily explain what causes the pinwheel to spin as well.