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irken_dreamer
Last night while I was dreaming I realized it was a dream but it only lasted for a second I think. When I realized I was dreaming I shouted something like, "Hey I'm dreaming!" and when I said that everything got all scary and it had this out of control feeling. This has happened to me a lot it's usually if I say I'm dreaming out loud. It feels like the people in my dreams get mad at me if I realize this or they try and convince me that it's not a dream. Has this ever happen to anyone else? Does anyone know why this happens and how I can stop it?
Camozotz
This sometimes happens to me. Once I realize that its a lucid dream, it kind of gets out of hand. I try to fix any problems, but things keep going wrong. Its weird. Ill be like a superhero, then appears like 8 gigantic monsters, and theyre like torturing me. I dont really know how to stop it from happening.
RebeccaTacosaGray
If you have experiences of this kind often, you might want to visit my website L'Epee De Dieu (http://epeededieu.blogspot.com/). Pulling positive energy to yourself before you go to bed would be an effective way to handle breaches of the kind you are experiencing. My site has prayers that reflect both those who have no prescribed religion, and can be adapted for your use. Others are religiously specified, and can be recited just as they are. Most importantly, I will say this: there are beings of love in this Universe who are protection and love, and they will come to your aid, if asked. I know that it sounds questionable, but if you consider the nature of your experiences, please have faith in beauty and try this approach, understanding that positive energy will surround and protect you. Also, rely on your Guardian Angel. Winged beings of love and protection are present in every culture and Faith, and your own is most certain protective of you. With your Guardian Angel and other presences of love drawn close, you will surely drive out the negative energy that seems to be invading your space. It is not part of you-know that. Love will assist you in returning your dreams to a normal and loving state. I will say one for you, below...in love and care. Love Loves. Love Fights. Love Wins. Rebecca Tacosa Gray


Love, drive out unnatural energy in this beautiful person. May those who are kindness and honor defend this person in their dreams, that they may remain protected, as all who are loving, as we are all loving, remain protected in this Universe. Those who are love, hear me. Gather close, with your love, and protect, with love and fierce honor compromised environments and return them to normality. True God, the one who is love, the one who defends ALL religions, ALL Faiths, ALL love, defend and protect this beautiful person. With your love, the love of all loving and powerful beings, negative intent is driven out, fleeing from the presence of beauty. And in love's beauty we are protected. Beautiful person, in your dreams you are now protected.
Undeadskeptic
Don't believe that ridiculous stuff, as romantic as it seems its not true.

Everyone has dreams like this. Its a common product of the human physce, and you could possibly change it by eating Ice Cream before you go to sleep although thats probably an old wives tale.
irken_dreamer
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Mar 17 2008, 03:17 AM) *
Don't believe that ridiculous stuff, as romantic as it seems its not true.

Everyone has dreams like this. Its a common product of the human physce, and you could possibly change it by eating Ice Cream before you go to sleep although thats probably an old wives tale.

Yeah I don't think any of the stuff they(the person who posted before you) would help. No offense thanks for the advice anyway. happy.gif I'm just not into that kinda thing. I think it might help if I felt more confident in real life. Any advice or suggestions are welcome though.
eight bits
Your thread has gotten under my skin, irken. I don't do lucid dreaming, nor even try, because I like my dreams they way they come. For some people, that is lucid. For me, no.

Nevertheless, I have often wondered why lucidity can be so difficult for so many people who do want it and can't "just do it." Then you come along and make me think about it. Bad irken.

Based on the testimonies I have read, there seem to be three hitches:

(1) interrupting the flow of a dream to become aware that it is a dream
(2) if (1) is achieved, then not promptly waking up because of it
(3) and then, if you get past (2), maintaining that awareness as more than a passing thought, so that both the dream and your awareness that it is a dream continue.

If I understand your post, then you've got (1), and bail out on (2).

dreamviews.com has tutorials and a forum. You can look there, but to be candid, all of their wild's and mild's, mold's and hold's, ... seem like a pile of hooie. And none of them work for any large percentage of those who try.

I fear that if you started with any large group who performed any overt act to pursue lucid dreaming, then some of those people would have lucid dreams, regardless of what the overt act was.

Here's what I would suggest. Find some time everyday, maybe 15 minutes, to practice. I can't think of any reason why "right before bed" would make any difference, unless that was the only time slot you had.

And what you practice is what it is like to dream and to become aware that you are dreaming (maybe as simple as thinking about this or that time when you have done it), and now practice not making a big deal about it, staying calm, and not waking up. You might also think about how the dream might develop, and practice continuing awareness within that.

Ironically, your thoughts will probably wander while you are practicing. Be aware of that as soon as you can, and just turn your thoughts gently back to your practice goals.

Also, if you're not journaling your dreams, now would be a good time to start.

Say what you will about the advice, it can't hurt.

Step (2) is a tricky business. When you dream, you are nearly awake anyway, so much so that many people routinely wake up at the end of their dreams, if only for a moment, regardless of the "plot."

My guess is that if you practice an alternative to "heading for the surface," then the alternative will be present when the situation calls for it.

If nothing else, and this is better than a guess, practice, even mental practice, will "desensitize" you to the "shock" of being aware without being awake. That in itself may contribute to your retaining the composure not to trip over into the wakefulness that you are nearly at whenever you dream.

Hope this helps. Good luck with it.
Kazahel
QUOTE (irken_dreamer @ Mar 16 2008, 05:02 AM) *
Last night while I was dreaming I realized it was a dream but it only lasted for a second I think. When I realized I was dreaming I shouted something like, "Hey I'm dreaming!" and when I said that everything got all scary and it had this out of control feeling. This has happened to me a lot it's usually if I say I'm dreaming out loud. It feels like the people in my dreams get mad at me if I realize this or they try and convince me that it's not a dream. Has this ever happen to anyone else? Does anyone know why this happens and how I can stop it?


I've never really been scared by the fact that I've known that I'm dreaming, but.. I would suggest that you understand truly that you cant be harmed while dreaming. So maybe when you really know that, then you shouldnt be afraid anymore when you do go lucid. Sometimes dream characters will try to say your not dreaming etc but you just ignore them as soon as you go lucid. Dont even bother talking to them if your just a beginner or they might just confuse you and make you think your in real life etc.

The other advice from Rebecca wasnt too bad.. basically you want to maybe empower yourself before bed.. and if that means thinking someone is watching over you to protect you or whatever thats ok. As long as it gets into your mind that you cant be harmed when your dreaming. And the reason why you would do that before bed is because when you go to sleep the last thing on your mind is generally the first think you think of when you start dreaming. Thats why they have a technique which is where you tell yourself that you will know your dreaming the next time you dream as you fall asleep... because you have a chance to remember that last thought when you start dreaming. If you tell yourself earlier during the day it might not work as well because you think other things afterwards and forget what you almost program your mind to remember.

So empower yourself before sleeping, and maybe you wont feel disempowered when you start dreaming. And to make the dreams last longer it just takes practise, and if you stay calm it helps.
Undeadskeptic
Eat warm buns with peanut butter in before you go to sleep, might help.
Kazahel
If you dont actually know what your talking about.... why bother saying anything at all...

Also to the OP.. instead of saying "Hey I'm dreaming!" .. try saying.... "Hey I'm dreaming".... if you can see the difference.
Undeadskeptic
WTF I was giving him advice! Sorry, I had no idea about the new law that no one can give anyone advice, oh wait thats because it doesn't exist!

Jeez... some people...
Kazahel
Oh I didnt say you couldnt.. I just said why bother..
Undeadskeptic
Why bother giving advice?

Gee I dunno pal - To help? Because I feel in a caring mood? Because I would like to help
Kazahel
Now try being honest with yourself at least.

Goodbye original.gif
Undeadskeptic
I don't think You even know wtf you're talking about, no one else does.

Go eat a dream dictionary.
irken_dreamer
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Mar 18 2008, 12:51 AM) *
WTF I was giving him advice! Sorry, I had no idea about the new law that no one can give anyone advice, oh wait thats because it doesn't exist!

Jeez... some people...

Uh.. i'm a girl and don't kill each other just calm down. ok? hmm.gif
Kazahel
hehe, I'm not angry at all... 'Be like the kookaburra '... happy.gif

Anyway you understood what I meant with the ! mark. Instead of being excited try to remain calmer. I've been lucidly dreaming since I was about 17 and I'm 32 now.. I've had about 10 in just the last week or so. And I've always known I cant be harmed in the dreams, which I think has helped. So maybe if you try stay more calm and remember you cant be hurt, you might not find the same thing happening. It sounds like you are panicking or something, or are listening to dream characters too much. So just ignore them, chill and remember your safe.
eight bits
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Eat warm buns with peanut butter in before you go to sleep, might help.

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If you dont actually know what your talking about...

Undead was merely relaying his humorous take on a popular form of advice, that diet affects the vividness, ease of recall, or even lucidity of dreams. Alas, nobody really has great evidence of that.

A frequently cited promoter, soundly or fancifully, is vitamin B-12. It is not found naturally in vegetarian foods like peanut butter or wheat, but maybe Undead eats fortified versions of those foods.

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Go eat a dream dictionary.

While dream dictionaries are full of stuff proven to help plants grow better, they are completely a waste of a human's time. Read the horoscope in the paper instead. It's better indexed for easier access to its inspirational insights, and has equal validity.

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Uh.. i'm a girl and don't kill each other just calm down. ok?

Well golly, irken, what better reason for boys to fight? You were supposed to say "Oooh, Undead, those toasted peanut butter sandwiches make you so buff. RRRrrrr."

But then I'm prejudiced. I basically agree with what K says, but without the religious experience, and think that you should practice a little each day (meditation, basically), or at least consider doing so. And keeping a dream log or journal is a no-brainer.
Mr Walker
8bits is good sensible advice. Ive had lucid dreams all my life, and as a young child moved on from that to controlled lucid dreaming and then to constructing permanent dreamscapes and characters which i could enter and interact with at will every night .

Sometimes these were extended narrative/novel length series of dreams, in which i lived a chapter or two each night of an ongoing story Sometimes they were more episodic, like the early tv shows i used to watch. .

The great no! no! in our house was to eat too much crab meat/crayfish(and living on the australian coast we had this in abundance and for free. My parents always said that it was very rich and would cause vivid dreams. Naturally being a kid and trying to have the best dream life possible I tested this out to the max, eating all i could force down.

It did help my dream world, but i later found out why this was so. It was not the food, but the fact that any conscious links you create betweeen the day/conscious part of your mind and the night/subconscious part tends to formalise a link betweeen the conscious and subconscious parts of your brain. Thus it was the active desire of my conscious mind more than the food which strengthened my lucid dreaming.

It is this link which allows you, first to become aware and lucid while dreaming, and progressively to take control of your dreams through conscious control of your subconscious (this is probably not technically correct, but in laymans terms it is what you do) Even though asleep and dreaming, you can access your conscious awareness and, knowing you are in a dream, take control of it and manipulate it at will. Journal keeping and even regular discussion of dreams and strategies, will help with this. It is impt to actively try each night, as you fall asleep, to alert your subconscious or sleeping part of the mind by consciously focussing on what you would like to dream about that night. the more detail in plot, characterisation, and settings you can manage the better.

On the other hand, if lucid dreaming bothers you, do none of this, and read a book or something to keep your mind off thinking about it. If you dont consciously focus on your dreams, your subconscious may not be alerted to them.
bogcreeper
Happens quiet often to me. I have actually had many experiences where I was flying, figured out that I was dreaming and then directly lose my ability to fly. I have learned over the years to better control my lucid dreams, a fact that is backed by the sadness that I have when I wake. I have also found that (being a diabetic) my nights of constant urination that keeps me from deep sleep, trigger these dreams.
Blueguardian
sometimes when im against something mainly people i can beat them easily animals i have trouble with, but the bit i hate most is when im semi concious and i get half way through using an energy beam ( yes i know a bit childish but still if you can, you may as well tongue.gif) and the beam doesnt work, so i try again and it doesnt work, kinda annoying lol
Undeadskeptic
Oh, sorry its just the internet ya know, ya can't tell if someones aguy or a gal. Very sorry, don't be offended, please! :'(

Sorry but that Kazahel character is very annoying. I wont kill. I cool down.
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (eight bits @ Mar 19 2008, 01:56 AM) *
Well golly, irken, what better reason for boys to fight? You were supposed to say "Oooh, Undead, those toasted peanut butter sandwiches make you so buff. RRRrrrr."


LOL, don't think ym GFwould be too happy with that 8bits laugh.gif
eight bits
Just because you're on a diet doesn't mean you can't look at the menu.
irken_dreamer
I had another lucid dream last night. When I realized I was dreaming I started to get too excited but I told myself to calm down and everything stayed under control. After that I dreamed that I came out of body and was flying around outside. It was kind of hard to fly but when I thought the place I wanted to fly to I flew faster and easier to that place. The annoying part was that I actually thought that I had really came out of my body. I know I didn't though because after I flew to my porch and walked inside I went to my room.
There on my bed was what looked like my sister, but for some reason I thought it was me but I wasn't sure. Sitting on my bed next to her was an old lady I have never seen before and my other sister was there too. My sister (the one lying on the bed) looked like her eyes were rolling back in her head. At this point I was still unsure whether or not this was my body. So I decided to try to go inside my or her body because aparently something was wrong with her or me. I think after I did this I woke up. I'm glad that I could finally stay calm and keep things under control during a lucid dream, even if it didn't work out exactly the way I wanted because I didn't stay lucid for long.
Any more advice? Oh and I was wondering what kinds of stuff can I do during a lucid dream after I get better at it? huh.gif
eight bits
Well done, irken, congratulations!

I think you're asking about controlling your dreams. Others' experiences are all over the map.

There are people who run little film studios in their heads, and people who cannot do it at all. And there's a lot of in-between: some dreams but not others, part of a dream but not the whole dream, "influence' of dream plots, characters, and settings but short of control, etc.

Not everyone who attains lucidity even tries for control. And now's as good a time as any to tell you that there are people who can control their dreams, but are not lucid.

But what you can try? Anything you can imagine. It's your dream. See how far you get.
irken_dreamer
When I woke up though my heart was beating fast I guess cause I got excited and because I thought I was having an OBE.
Kazahel
Yeah well done. original.gif I'm not sure what the old lady means.. but it sounds like you might be worried subconsiously that you can lose your body and have to return to it(maybe the lady was kinda guarding it because of that thought). So try not to stress about that.. just keep remembering that you cant be harmed at all and its only a dream. To help stay calm as well, I found that when I was more aware of my breathing it would keep me dreaming for longer. So I would breathe deeply and try not to let my breath speed up if I was running for example. It just takes practise in staying calm and going with the flow of it and not getting too excited.

And yeah like eight bits said.. you can do pretty much anything you can think of. The trick to it though is to not have much doubt. Like say you want to walk through a wall.. if you think you might not be able to, then the wall will be solid. So it really is a matter of 'just do it'. Also follow your own methods kinda.. so if you want to do anything thats usually impossibe, just do it how you natually think you would.

I had another lucid dream last night as well.. to give an example(and keep it short)I jumped through a door like a ghost and found myself in a bank. I then jumped on the desk for fun but was told to get down and to sign a form that the bank manager gave me to say 'I wasnt dreaming'. Which almost made me think maybe I wasnt dreaming.. so I proved I was dreaming again, and then I used his pen and reached over and wrote 'NO' really big on his cheek in dark green ink. Then I was laughing and I wished I had placed an ! mark to finish it, and the manager then used his own finger and drew the ! mark himself. lol. Then I jumped through the window like a ghost and from the other side I kinda played with the glass like it was water.
Undeadskeptic
Well 8bits, some people are above surfing the internet for dates laugh.gif and meet their partners in real life like normal people.
eight bits
You do realize how obsolete that will sound to your children.
Undeadskeptic
Eh? Im not planning on bringing a bundle of joy into the world at age 15 thank you very much!
irken_dreamer
I was wondering can you actually come out of your body while you're lucid dreaming?
eight bits
Oh yes, irken. Well, when boys aren't fighting, we're talking about girls. Can't live with us, can't live without us...

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I was wondering can you actually come out of your body while you're lucid dreaming?

Some people use lucid dreams as a "launching platform" for explorations of out-of-body and astral projection phenomena. You may wish to check out

http://www.astralsociety.com/as/Forum/

which is an OBE and AP site with a lucid sub-forum, or

http://www.dreamviews.com/

which is a lucid forum with a paranormal (with lots of OBE abd AP posts) sub-forum.
Undeadskeptic
Woman... think they run the world ... and then you complain you don't have equality to men! Grrr....


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irken_dreamer
I've been having some more lucid dreams. In one I remember I was riding on my school bus and I started wondering if I was dreaming or not. Because as far as dreams go it felt pretty realistic but it just had that dream feeling to it. I even said to the person sitting next to me that I wondered if I was dreaming or not and nothing turned all scary or out of control or anything! happy.gif To see if I was dreaming or not I tried to make a book that was on my lap float. It worked so I flew through the side of the bus ( I went through it like a ghost) Oh, and nothing really out of the ordinary here except becoming lucid I have superpowers in every dream. clap.gif In another lucid dream I had I was facing some enemy and I was aware that I was dreaming so I said something like, "Go ahead I don't care you can't really hurt me!" After I said that it just stood there doing nothing laugh.gif
There might have been some more but I can only remember these. This dream wasn't a lucid dream but it was really freaky. There were shadow people shaped like children running on the road I and some of my family were driving on the road and we drove through one of them. The really scary part happened at my grandma's house though. At her house there was this one ghost that only stayed in one room. This thing was really scary looking but when I describe it here it doesn't sound as scary. It was bald, had white skin, and it had veins on it's forehead that kind of stuck out from under it's skin. (well it was supposed to be a ghost so it doesn't really have skin but you know what I mean) The scariest thing about it though was that it's eyes were all black. There were also other ghosts in my grandma's house but they were all shadow ghosts and they weren't as scary.
Wow, that was probably the longest post I've ever made!
anomoly
I had a lucid dream once where I was rounding a corner one morning near my house and I looked through a window and the person inside saw me and that act whereby we both 'saw' each other woke me up. I knew this person vaguely from school. (the dream itself may have been a mental test of sorts-kinda like when I turned my head to look I may have just pulled their image to mind). Anyways, that day at school I saw that person and when they saw me they turned quickly and went the other way-lol. The reason I say it may have been a simple test of my own making is that I know which house I dreamt of & I would put $ on the person I saw not living there.
So, what can be done? ...What can you imagine?!
The act of dreaming at first is simply lessons in control. What you dream about is meaningless (at first). As you 'learn' to control & focus your light body, the act of dreaming in & of itself becomes more powerful and far-reaching. The idea being to be able to remember exactly what you felt while awake when you were dreaming so as to envoke the same actions. Be it flight or whatehaveyou
irken_dreamer
Last night I had another lucid dream. In this one I told someone, "I'm dreaming aren't I?". I don't think that they said anything but I knew that I was. So this time I decided to try and control something in the dream. There was this short long rock wall thing that exists in real life at my grandma's house too. I wanted to try and make it more bendable and kind of more liquid like, but it didn't work. So I thought that I try to astral project (I've never done it before and I don't know if it's dangerous or not but regardless of that I still tried to). I sat on the ground to try and concentrate or whatever and for some reason I just thought of spinning out of my body but instead I just woke myself up.
eight bits
Congratulations on the continued achievement of lucidity.

Lack of effective control is common in lucid dreams. Hamsters don't lie original.gif .

You may get better at control as time goes on, or simply dream that you do have control of the dreamscape without catching on that it is a dreamscape.

In any case, may you have pleasant dreams always original.gif .
irken_dreamer
Well I think I'm getting even better at lucid dreaming. For a several nights in a row I had lucid dreams, and one time I don't think I even really tried to. Until lately I've never been able to make energy hand things (like on danny phantom) in my dreams. The first time I made them they didn't turn out exactly how I wanted them to but it was still really cool. The first time I made these things in my dreams it started out as a purple aura around my hand. I was having trouble trying to see it or create it until I told someone to turn down the lights in the room I was in in my dream. It made it easier to see because they glowed (I guess it was kinda like glow in the dark stuff like glow sticks). It was cool except they eventually turned into a sphere shape that were mostly yellow with purple spots floating in them like a lava lamp. When I threw them at people for some reason it teleported them across the room, and then someone threw one at me and I teleported to the other side of the room.

The second lucid dream in which I created those energy type things was much better. They looked way closer to what I wanted them to look like. They kind of looked like She-go's energy things from Kim Possible except they were purple and I could actually feel the heat they gave off.


One question though... Can lucid dreaming increase psychic abilites? I think that it might because after I had several lucid dreams in a row something really cool happened. My mom was talking to my sister about something and my mom was trying to figure out who a girl my sister was talking about name was. I had no idea who my sister was talking about. I think it might have been on the first guess my mom made that the name she was going to say popped in my head before she said it. It isn't a very common name I've only met one girl in my life with the same name. The name that popped in my head was Callie (not sure of the spelling). It's really weird because I haven't a psychic experience in a really long time until that.
Meik
Have you tried praying to God in your lucid dreams?
irken_dreamer
I don't pray. What makes you think I would need too? I'm not insulting your belifes (sp?) or anything, but what I mean is do you think there's something evil in my dreams or what?
irken_dreamer
I had another lucid dream last night. I think from now on I'll put my lucid dreams on my blog. I wasn't lucid for the whole dream so I'm only going to tell about the part where I knew I was dreaming. I was at my cousin's house, but I don't remember what made me realize I was dreaming. When I realized that I was I tried to tell her that I was, but instead of telling me I wasn't or getting mad at me, she just ignored me. I think she was busy doing something, because she heard me but she was kinda like, "Yeah, yeah whatever." I don't think she said that but it just felt like that's what she was thinking. I tried to show her I was dreaming by making myself float in the air. I don't think that I've ever tried that in a lucid dream (flying though the air maybe, but never floating in one spot) At first I thought of making these purple energy things with my hands to show her I was dreaming, but I thought, "No, they'll take to long to make." Eventually I just gave up trying to convince her and went out of the room, and into the living room. Her mom was in her doorway trying to get into her room but I got passed her. I can't really remember what happened after I went into the living room. Except I think I looked out the front door of her house and saw these rooms that were black but had some objects in them (I'm guessing furniture (sp?) but I'm not sure). The weird thing about the rooms though was I think I might have saw them when I looked out the front door but it was like I just saw them in my mind or something. The door didn't open up to these rooms I just kind of saw them in my mind really clearly.

After that it turned into another dream. Later on in another dream (still the same night, it just switched to a different dream) I thought I was awake but it was even more unreal than it was at my cousin's house. I was telling someone something like, "But I was just having a lucid dream a minute ago, I have to be dreaming." I think they must've convinced me I wasn't though. That's never happened to me either, I've always won those kind of agurements with dream characters. From now on I'm going to keep a dream journal, but should I write down every dream or just the lucid ones?

Edit: Also I the way I made myself have a lucid dream this time was reading about lucid dreams on this site.
eight bits
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From now on I'm going to keep a dream journal, but should I write down every dream or just the lucid ones?

Both.

Those arguments with your dream characters about lucidity are interesting, as is your false awakening. Some people who dream lucidly, not all but some, report that one kind or other of "resistance" to lucidity or to control begins to appear in their dreams. False awakening is a little too obviously the complement of lucid dreaming not to be accounted as resistance.

If it were my dreams, then I would ask permission. I appreciate the irony of asking yourself for permission to do something, but a lot of dream material is dream material because our waking selves and daily lives crowd it out at other times.

And then our waking selves show up in the dream and crowd it out some more?
irken_dreamer
I just thought of an idea, what if somewhere in the same notebook that I would use for my dream journal I made a list of stuff that I would like to do in my lucid dreams. After I achieved one I would check it off. I think it would be a good idea because it would help keep track of my progress and it might help me gain more confidence. What do you think? I was also wondering what's the hardest thing for you to control in your dreams? I think for me its probably the scenery.
Aanica
QUOTE (irken_dreamer @ Mar 18 2008, 12:52 AM) *
Uh.. i'm a girl and don't kill each other just calm down. ok? hmm.gif
thumbsup.gif laugh.gif
eight bits
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I just thought of an idea, what if somewhere in the same notebook that I would use for my dream journal I made a list of stuff that I would like to do in my lucid dreams. After I achieved one I would check it off. I think it would be a good idea because it would help keep track of my progress and it might help me gain more confidence. What do you think?

Yes, people do that. In fact, include whatever you think makes the notebook more useful to you.

For example, some people paste in magazine or newspaper pictures that they recognize as being similar to things they've dreamt. Or sometimes, they realize some connection between two dreams long afterwards, so they make a separate note about that.

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I was also wondering what's the hardest thing for you to control in your dreams?

Well, I can answer the flipside of that - what's easiest for me. I rarely have nightmares. If something is going wrong, or even if I dislike the direction things seem to be taking, then I assert control. Sometimes, that means waking up, and other times, I just change the direction of the dream and continue in a more pleasant direction (whatever that means; I just do it).

As I have often said, I am not a lucid dreamer, nor do I seek to be one (although I confess that you are tempting me...). And I'm not sure whether I "should" avoid nightmares. It doesn't come up too often anyway. But I do seem to remember that my participation in dreams is voluntary when that is relevant.

And you may have influenced a dream of mine last night. I had read your post during the day:

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I think for me its probably the scenery

I spend a lot of time in the woods in waking life, but hardly ever in my dreams. That "bothers" me a little.

But last night, I blazed a trail through rough woods twice. And the scenery was especially vivid and detailed. There are a lot of details in the woods, so this "stood out" that I would capture so much of it so realistically.

I had forgotten this detail of your post, but when I reread it this morning... hmmm.
irken_dreamer
Ok another question... Before, I asked if lucid dreams could increase psychic abilities or not (I'm not sure if I asked on this thread or another one but I can't find the other so it doesn't really matter) can drawing or doing other artistic or creative stuff increase psychic abilities? I'd was wondering because the other day I was drawing a few pictures and I haven't really drawn much lately. After I drew for a while I was watching tv and I think I might've had a psychic experience. Another reason I think drawing or doing other creative things could increase them is that my sister has had a more stuff like that happen to her, and she draws a lot.
eight bits
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I asked if lucid dreams could increase psychic abilities or not ... can drawing or doing other artistic or creative stuff increase psychic abilities?

I don't think anybody knows about psychic abilities and dreams, lucid ones or not. However, it is fair to say that whatever would emerge in dreams would likely also emerge while drawing. The two activities rely on the same places in the psyche, and provide similar vehicles for the expression of the contents which reside there.

Not all of those contents are the fruit of psychic abilities, so drawing might pull up a lot of imagery that relates to the same subjects as dreams do, and in a "non-psychic" way.

You might be interested in mandalas (searchable term), which are a specific genre of drawing (abstract, geometrical designs, typically with a strong center). Carl Jung studied these, and also had people draw their own. He felt that the results could be revealing, like dreams in that sense, even though the imagery was different from dream "symbols," abstract rather than concrete.

You might want to explore that, maybe quickly throwing some light on how dreaming and drawing are related for you... and who knows what else might bubble up?
fullmoonwerewolf
this happens that all get mad at you because negetive things and energy try to comunicate with you through dreams and make it so that you do not realize what they actually are and can do, if you are not convinced they totaly freak because they want to take over, they want tocontrol you... my theory, ive studied this... its hapened to me
darkmoonlady
I've been lucid dreaming since I was a kid. I have had a really bad pain problem since birth and instead of taking pain meds, my Mom taught me to visualize to get around the pain. It works wonders, and I have done this visualization my entire life (I'm 35 now). The side effect if you want to call it that is lucid dreaming. The ability to create scenarios and change dreams, all the while knowing I'm dreaming is an every night thing for me. I stopped having any nightmares at an early age and now only have them if I have had some kind of medical procedure requiring any form of anesthesia. I think having drugs in my system takes away that ability to control my dreams.

Having had lucid dreams all my life, I have also had preconitive dreams at different times in my life. They stand out as being so different from my normal dreams in that I cannot control the dream narrative, and they seem to exist in a hyper reality beyond a normal dream.

I think if anyone wants to have lucid dreams, they should practice meditation, and visualizing, and see if it translates into their dreams.
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