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JustNormal
QUOTE (She-ra @ Mar 19 2008, 07:35 AM) *
Ok Epi has an excellent orb pic, JN's avatar is an excellent orb pic.... WOW and the yellow one. The opaqueness blows me away.

AKA- I truly think that must be an orb. Also, Aren't orb's just forms of energy too? What if a spirit, or whatever, doesn't have enough energy to fully materialize? This is a sincere question. What or how do we know how to differentiate the two? What about something like this?

To orb or not to orb:
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Thoughts? Thanks original.gif Jody

Oh yes I forgot AKA: Do you have any orb pic's to share with us? Pleeeeeeeeeeeez?? Thanks original.gif


(((((((((She-ra))))))))))))) Yes the orb on my avatar is a perfect example of a "ball of psychic/spirtual energy" taken by a PI team here last April, not by me. Correct, it is said, that many spirits do not have the energy to manifest into lets say a full blown apparition or even a mist, for that matter. The energy is then condensed into a ball that can "dance" around. I see them all the time and my son has seen two red ones, and he said they looked like the head of a lit cigarette following him around. Unfortunately that was not a good orb. In any case, no one truly can say every orb is dust, because its all objective. I talked to John again last night, but was tired and called him Tom OMG. With that I got nothing, so then started over. He made an appearance in the same area twice, but the orb was not as bright. I will upload it later today when I have time. What are the chances of the same color, type orb to show up in the same place two nights in a row, and I can do it again tonight LOL..Orbs are dismissed quicker than we can blink, and thats a shame because "some" are of the paranormal. The yellow one I did sent out to sites who said yellow is a warning, and WOW it was and they are very rare. Never saw one before and hope I dont see one again. Love Epi's orb!!! JN
the blue shift
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Mar 19 2008, 04:41 PM) *
I was kidding with Akaebeel, and I think he knows that. I know the P word, and not a stranger to it, but thanks anyway. I guess you have to live here, and see and hear what I do, in order for it to make sense..JN


I was kidding with you as well, and thought you knew it. original.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE (ImaLoner @ Mar 20 2008, 01:14 AM) *
I was kidding with you as well, and thought you knew it. original.gif



OOPS Sorry LOL..Ok I asked my resident spirit John to show himself again last night, but as I said I called him Tom LOL..Dont think he was happy..Here are the orbs, same place, nearly same color....Behave yourself LOL..JN
SS79
I was going to refrain . but i'm feeling lucky laugh.gif

If as you say this "john" shows up when you ask . How about you use the video function on your digital camera (some only record like 20 seconds but if hes as good at this as you suggest it should be ample ) and take aquick video so maybe we can see this "john" in flight .

SS79

Akaebeel
QUOTE (She-ra @ Mar 19 2008, 12:35 AM) *
Ok Epi has an excellent orb pic, JN's avatar is an excellent orb pic.... WOW and the yellow one. The opaqueness blows me away.

AKA- I truly think that must be an orb. Also, Aren't orb's just forms of energy too? What if a spirit, or whatever, doesn't have enough energy to fully materialize? This is a sincere question. What or how do we know how to differentiate the two? What about something like this?

Thoughts? Thanks original.gif Jody

Oh yes I forgot AKA: Do you have any orb pic's to share with us? Pleeeeeeeeeeeez?? Thanks original.gif



From what I have seen at investigation sites, what I have seen on my own, the true 'spirit orbs' do not adhere to the same shape of the circular sphere with an outer ridge. 95% of the time I have had to look at photos from investigations, these 'orbs' can be deduced as nothing more than dirt. I have seen I.R. and night vision video from investigations showing the same orbs trailing across the screen and disappearing. So unless the old jail house the investigation was taking place in was infested with fairies, it had to of been dust. And I'm more liable to believe it was dust, than fairies, or anything else, cause the floor we were on was covered in chalk and dust, and the windows on the top floor were broken out, creating a slight draft.

Now, the 'orbs'/phenomenon I cannot explain away so easily, and in my eyes leave a lot more credibility. They are these 'blobs' of color, found in photographs, (Blobs not to be confused by a thumb/finger on the corner of the camera lens) don't tend to adhere to any form of consistency. And I have managed to net a few of those types of photographs, and have managed to deduce, with the help of others, it wasn't camera/person error that caused this phenomenon.

Many people believe these 'orbs' are 'spiritual energy' and that they are the manifestation of a weaker 'ghost' that cannot fully materialize itself. But, many people also believe finding a stain in a vague shape of Jesus on their bedroom door is also a holy experience, and not Pareidolia. But that isn't to say I haven't seen some form of consciousness, almost intelligence from some of these 'orbs.' My personal belief is that it's energy. Nothing more, nothing less. This energy may be the by-product of something sentient. It may just be a naturally occurring event, that the human eye can often not detect, or it might be something trying to 'communicate' with whomever is there. But I lean more towards it just being energy, and I don't give much stock to what anyone says about the colors of it being important. Perceptions of colors change from person to person. To some, 'red' can me anger, and others 'red' can be lust, power. I just cannot believe that, when someone says 'this color means this' that it's actually true. It's all about perception.

As for some pictures of my own. I got some 'orb' pictures from an investigation I did in a ghost town a few months back. The 'orbs' were so bad that I had to actually stop taking pictures. I only find this interest, because I managed to take pictures of when it first started to happen. We were all stationary, sitting down on the ground, in several locations. And I was casually taking pictures. I noticed on the screen of my camera that I had, what appeared to be a few 'orbs' going through the door way, I took several more pictures and caught the same thing. So, I got up and started taking pictures of the various rooms. At the same time, two other members were trying to use a pendulum as a divining tool. As they did their thing, I was walking around taking pictures. Down the hallway, and in the back, where the kitchen is, I got mugged by these 'orbs.' At one point I had to stop taking pictures cause all the pictures I took looked like it was a white out.

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None of us was dragging out feet, and there was no wind. But it quickly turned from clear skies to snow in that mess hall, in the matter of minutes. Another team member and myself tried to reproduce this, by dragging out feet and trying to kick up dust on the ground, but it didn't work. But, due to it being an old building, most of the windows were gone and it didn't have any doors, it's feasible that a small gust of wind caused the dust in the building to kick up, and hang in the air for over 10 minutes. However, with all that in the air, none of us came out of the mess hall dirty. We didn't have a fine layer of dust on our clothes.

But I deduce it as dust, anyways.

-Akaebeel
She-ra
Thanks hun. Yes, perception is key. One has to take into account what was happening specifically at the time of the photo and so forth. Orb's are such an"on the fence" topic. Thanks for your reply. Lovely pictures original.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE (SS79 @ Mar 20 2008, 03:38 AM) *
I was going to refrain . but i'm feeling lucky laugh.gif

If as you say this "john" shows up when you ask . How about you use the video function on your digital camera (some only record like 20 seconds but if hes as good at this as you suggest it should be ample ) and take aquick video so maybe we can see this "john" in flight .

SS79


LOL Hi SS, I never thought of that, good idea. I think it gives me like 20 seconds or something on the video which I never used, but I sure will give it a shot tonight. I have sort of been reluctant to take pics in the bedroom due to what I used to see, but seems "John" is pretty harmless. Once I get it, I dont know how to download it on here, can you tell me how? Thanks. JN
JustNormal
QUOTE (Akaebeel @ Mar 20 2008, 03:40 AM) *
From what I have seen at investigation sites, what I have seen on my own, the true 'spirit orbs' do not adhere to the same shape of the circular sphere with an outer ridge. 95% of the time I have had to look at photos from investigations, these 'orbs' can be deduced as nothing more than dirt. I have seen I.R. and night vision video from investigations showing the same orbs trailing across the screen and disappearing. So unless the old jail house the investigation was taking place in was infested with fairies, it had to of been dust. And I'm more liable to believe it was dust, than fairies, or anything else, cause the floor we were on was covered in chalk and dust, and the windows on the top floor were broken out, creating a slight draft.

Now, the 'orbs'/phenomenon I cannot explain away so easily, and in my eyes leave a lot more credibility. They are these 'blobs' of color, found in photographs, (Blobs not to be confused by a thumb/finger on the corner of the camera lens) don't tend to adhere to any form of consistency. And I have managed to net a few of those types of photographs, and have managed to deduce, with the help of others, it wasn't camera/person error that caused this phenomenon.

Many people believe these 'orbs' are 'spiritual energy' and that they are the manifestation of a weaker 'ghost' that cannot fully materialize itself. But, many people also believe finding a stain in a vague shape of Jesus on their bedroom door is also a holy experience, and not Pareidolia. But that isn't to say I haven't seen some form of consciousness, almost intelligence from some of these 'orbs.' My personal belief is that it's energy. Nothing more, nothing less. This energy may be the by-product of something sentient. It may just be a naturally occurring event, that the human eye can often not detect, or it might be something trying to 'communicate' with whomever is there. But I lean more towards it just being energy, and I don't give much stock to what anyone says about the colors of it being important. Perceptions of colors change from person to person. To some, 'red' can me anger, and others 'red' can be lust, power. I just cannot believe that, when someone says 'this color means this' that it's actually true. It's all about perception.

As for some pictures of my own. I got some 'orb' pictures from an investigation I did in a ghost town a few months back. The 'orbs' were so bad that I had to actually stop taking pictures. I only find this interest, because I managed to take pictures of when it first started to happen. We were all stationary, sitting down on the ground, in several locations. And I was casually taking pictures. I noticed on the screen of my camera that I had, what appeared to be a few 'orbs' going through the door way, I took several more pictures and caught the same thing. So, I got up and started taking pictures of the various rooms. At the same time, two other members were trying to use a pendulum as a divining tool. As they did their thing, I was walking around taking pictures. Down the hallway, and in the back, where the kitchen is, I got mugged by these 'orbs.' At one point I had to stop taking pictures cause all the pictures I took looked like it was a white out.

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None of us was dragging out feet, and there was no wind. But it quickly turned from clear skies to snow in that mess hall, in the matter of minutes. Another team member and myself tried to reproduce this, by dragging out feet and trying to kick up dust on the ground, but it didn't work. But, due to it being an old building, most of the windows were gone and it didn't have any doors, it's feasible that a small gust of wind caused the dust in the building to kick up, and hang in the air for over 10 minutes. However, with all that in the air, none of us came out of the mess hall dirty. We didn't have a fine layer of dust on our clothes.

But I deduce it as dust, anyways.

-Akaebeel


Thanks for posting that. Its really difficult for any of us to be an expert in photography or orbs. Many of the pics you posted show numerous orbs all over the place, so in a way they are different from mine. I get the same one, in the same place when I ask for it. I certainly am not here to convince anyone, just sharing what I see, when I tell a spirit to show himself, and NOT to scare me lol..I can also sense something in my livingroom and get one, as the solid yellow one, so its all in the eye of the beholder. I love taking pics, and I enjoy sensing something or calling out to someone and getting an orb. I took some at Halloween at a Cemetery and there were orbs all over the place and none of them meant anything to me, except one that was directly on a very old grave marker of a child, and it was somehow "different" than all the other ones. Thanks.JN
Lady_Anvilabeel
QUOTE (Lady_Anvilla_of_LagNess @ Mar 19 2008, 07:13 AM) *
I agree that this 'breed' of orb with the ring patteren seems to be the most common type around dust prone areas. It's also interesting to see a collection of them side by side like this thumbsup.gif I think the majority of orbs can be explained by dust/pollen/moisture, but theres that few that can't. The kind that interest me the most are the shapeless or misty type 'blobs' . I may have to pull up an old pic I've posted a few times in the past to show what I mean.



Ok, here is one example of the 'blob/blur' kind that interest me. Btw this isn't a pic I took, the lovely decorated room belongs to some guesthouse/hotel with a reputation for being haunted tongue.gif


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Akaebeel
Well if we're gonna post blob pictures, here you go.

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Vaulted ceilings, nothing that can except the swords pommel can be reflected from the camera flash. The picture was taken in absolute darkness. A tall person took it, so the camera was angled downward. The ceiling is a white color and no ceiling fan to reflect the camera flash. The 'blob' adheres to the bed, the pillows, and can even be seen on the foot of the bed.

-Akaebeel
sora_1
Here I am again!! original.gif
I went to this place again 2 days ago and i took 2 more pics from there!!

So the first one is ok....i can't see anything!
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The second pic i took has an ''orb'' again
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I read the previous messages and i want just to say that there was no mist! The weather here in Greece these days is ''hot''
SS79
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Mar 20 2008, 05:00 AM) *
LOL Hi SS, I never thought of that, good idea. I think it gives me like 20 seconds or something on the video which I never used, but I sure will give it a shot tonight. I have sort of been reluctant to take pics in the bedroom due to what I used to see, but seems "John" is pretty harmless. Once I get it, I dont know how to download it on here, can you tell me how? Thanks. JN


Hi Jn .

When you plug your cam in too upload photos any vids you have recorded will also be uploaded . you can then upload them to youtube and post the link here . i think you may have to be a member of youtube for a day before it allows you too add vids though .

It will be interesting to see one in motion from you and also if you can communicate with him/it . after you have done the initial capture of simple movement we can then maybe look to see if you can get him to move around on your command ie you could ask the orb to move to your left etc . thus getting more evidence that as you say this really is more than dust or other camera oddities . like a personal experiment really . will be fun . original.gif

SS x
She-ra
QUOTE (She-ra @ Mar 19 2008, 02:35 AM) *
Ok Epi has an excellent orb pic, JN's avatar is an excellent orb pic.... WOW and the yellow one. The opaqueness blows me away.

AKA- I truly think that must be an orb. Also, Aren't orb's just forms of energy too? What if a spirit, or whatever, doesn't have enough energy to fully materialize? This is a sincere question. What or how do we know how to differentiate the two? What about something like this?

To orb or not to orb:
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Thoughts? Thanks original.gif Jody

Oh yes I forgot AKA: Do you have any orb pic's to share with us? Pleeeeeeeeeeeez?? Thanks original.gif


Okay so no comments on this one? Just dust or whatever?
Wallydraigle
No orb photos taken with on-camera flash can really be taken seriously. The flash is close to the lens, and since angle of incidence equals angle of reflection, lights bounces off of particulate matter and right back into the lens. People say that true orbs emit their own light, but it is *always* photos shot with on-camera flash where these things show up. If true orbs actually emitted their own light, then it would be possible to turn the flash off and still capture them. This would be the simplest way to lend credence to the phenomenon, but no one does this.

If orbs need bright illumination to show up, it should still be possible to use off-camera flash to illuminate the frame, and have orbs appear normally. I have worked with off-camera flash extensively and never had an orb appear in those frames. They only appear when on-camera flash is used. That's telling.
carpost
how can u tell the diff between real orbs and dust orbs? i do know that on e time i created as much dust as possible in my room and dindt get a single orb. and thought, maybe if a wait a little they will appear. so a few minutes later, i took more pics, but still nothing. so are dust orbs even real? cause i too have pics of creepy orbs. but i dont believe dudt causes them
bandot
doesn't look suspicious.
SS79
QUOTE (She-ra @ Mar 22 2008, 04:25 PM) *
Okay so no comments on this one? Just dust or whatever?


Im no expert but from that pic it looks closer so my guess would be a smudge on the lens . I could be wrong "shrugs" original.gif


She-ra
QUOTE (sora_1 @ Mar 22 2008, 09:04 AM) *
Here I am again!! original.gif
I went to this place again 2 days ago and i took 2 more pics from there!!
I read the previous messages and i want just to say that there was no mist! The weather here in Greece these days is ''hot''


I have no idea hun. I an no expert. Sorry. Take care original.gif Jody
JustNormal
QUOTE (SS79 @ Mar 22 2008, 02:30 PM) *
Hi Jn .

When you plug your cam in too upload photos any vids you have recorded will also be uploaded . you can then upload them to youtube and post the link here . i think you may have to be a member of youtube for a day before it allows you too add vids though .

It will be interesting to see one in motion from you and also if you can communicate with him/it . after you have done the initial capture of simple movement we can then maybe look to see if you can get him to move around on your command ie you could ask the orb to move to your left etc . thus getting more evidence that as you say this really is more than dust or other camera oddities . like a personal experiment really . will be fun . original.gif

SS x


Hi SS, Actually I did video my room that night. However I had never done it before, and it is very very dark, plus then I can see an orb floating around, but what bothered me was the heavy breathing in it,and it wasnt me. It was only like 16 seconds long. I got scared and didnt upload it till next day. I have it on AOL media player, so how do I get it on here?? Thanks, JN
JustNormal
QUOTE (She-ra @ Mar 22 2008, 05:25 PM) *
Okay so no comments on this one? Just dust or whatever?



OOPS Just saw this, sorry (((Jody)))..Its bright and solid, and appears to be moving slowly. But I dont sense anything with it, sorry. Try another one ok? JN
JustNormal
QUOTE (sora_1 @ Mar 22 2008, 02:04 PM) *
Here I am again!! original.gif
I went to this place again 2 days ago and i took 2 more pics from there!!

So the first one is ok....i can't see anything!
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The second pic i took has an ''orb'' again
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I read the previous messages and i want just to say that there was no mist! The weather here in Greece these days is ''hot''


It looks like a beautiful area, calm and serene. I only see a similar orb as seen in previous ones only a different color. Good Job..JN
SS79
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Mar 23 2008, 04:53 AM) *
Hi SS, Actually I did video my room that night. However I had never done it before, and it is very very dark, plus then I can see an orb floating around, but what bothered me was the heavy breathing in it,and it wasnt me. It was only like 16 seconds long. I got scared and didnt upload it till next day. I have it on AOL media player, so how do I get it on here?? Thanks, JN


Hi Jn . maybe someone else can you help to tell you how to upload because other than youtube. I'm not sure how myself i have never tried to upload one . Hopefully some kind soul will come along and help us . LOL im rubbish with computers sorry tongue.gif but i'm looking forward to seeing it .
Akaebeel
QUOTE (She-ra @ Mar 22 2008, 09:25 AM) *
Okay so no comments on this one? Just dust or whatever?


It's got the same outer ridge that I often see in 'orb' photos, so I would say 'dust bunny on the go', since it has some motion blur to it. But thats just my opinion.

-Akaebeel
sora_1
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Mar 23 2008, 05:00 AM) *
It looks like a beautiful area, calm and serene. I only see a similar orb as seen in previous ones only a different color. Good Job..JN


Thanks!!
I went again yesterday in this place ( lol ) and i took 2 more pics tongue.gif

The first on is a close up photo of the river there....
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The second one is a similar photo of the others i took!
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Phillee
You see, Orbs in photos have been proved and proved again worthless evidence...

Yet i have seen orbs fly around a yard with my naked eye...
JustNormal
QUOTE (Phillee @ Mar 23 2008, 11:17 PM) *
You see, Orbs in photos have been proved and proved again worthless evidence...

Yet i have seen orbs fly around a yard with my naked eye...



I See them too, so to me, they are not worthless as "some" seem to be paranormal..JN
LadyHay
QUOTE (Phillee @ Mar 23 2008, 04:17 PM) *
You see, Orbs in photos have been proved and proved again worthless evidence...

Yet i have seen orbs fly around a yard with my naked eye...



Same - seen with naked eye. Not sure what they are, whether they are paranormal or part of nature.

However, I still consider them extremely poor evidence as there are so very many reasonable explanations for them and very reasonable explanations few to tie them to ghosts.
__sarah__
[font="Lucida Sans Unicode"][/font][color="#FF00FF"][/color] If you go on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orb_(paranormal) it tells you about 3 types of orbs it looks like a dust orb to me : ]
sora_1
QUOTE (sarah_0074 @ Mar 25 2008, 09:32 AM) *
[font="Lucida Sans Unicode"][/font][color="#FF00FF"][/color] If you go on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orb_(paranormal) it tells you about 3 types of orbs it looks like a dust orb to me : ]


thanks for the site wink2.gif
its usefull!!!
Episteme
QUOTE (Wallydraigle @ Mar 22 2008, 06:09 PM) *
No orb photos taken with on-camera flash can really be taken seriously. The flash is close to the lens, and since angle of incidence equals angle of reflection, lights bounces off of particulate matter and right back into the lens. People say that true orbs emit their own light, but it is *always* photos shot with on-camera flash where these things show up. If true orbs actually emitted their own light, then it would be possible to turn the flash off and still capture them. This would be the simplest way to lend credence to the phenomenon, but no one does this.

I mostly agree with your first statement, and used to agree with the rest. Then I caught an orb on a pretty good digital slr, without using the flash (according to the EXIF). I wouldn't claim it was paranormal, but I am comfortable calling it "unexplained". This was my first and only occurance of an orb on this camera. I would love for someone to give me a good explanation. I've done a lot of hunting for a possible cause but never had any luck, it would have been easier to ignore if it wasn't taken in a graveyard! laugh.gif

Here's the pic if it helps - This one is the entire photo, largest I could post on photobucket. This one is a full size crop. The full picture is too big to post but I could email it if anyone wants a larger view.
JustNormal
QUOTE (Episteme @ Mar 27 2008, 02:38 AM) *
I mostly agree with your first statement, and used to agree with the rest. Then I caught an orb on a pretty good digital slr, without using the flash (according to the EXIF). I wouldn't claim it was paranormal, but I am comfortable calling it "unexplained". This was my first and only occurance of an orb on this camera. I would love for someone to give me a good explanation. I've done a lot of hunting for a possible cause but never had any luck, it would have been easier to ignore if it wasn't taken in a graveyard! laugh.gif

Here's the pic if it helps - This one is the entire photo, largest I could post on photobucket. This one is a full size crop. The full picture is too big to post but I could email it if anyone wants a larger view.


I remember those, thanks Epi...JN thumbsup.gif
sora_1
QUOTE (Episteme @ Mar 27 2008, 01:38 AM) *
I mostly agree with your first statement, and used to agree with the rest. Then I caught an orb on a pretty good digital slr, without using the flash (according to the EXIF). I wouldn't claim it was paranormal, but I am comfortable calling it "unexplained". This was my first and only occurance of an orb on this camera. I would love for someone to give me a good explanation. I've done a lot of hunting for a possible cause but never had any luck, it would have been easier to ignore if it wasn't taken in a graveyard! laugh.gif

Here's the pic if it helps - This one is the entire photo, largest I could post on photobucket. This one is a full size crop. The full picture is too big to post but I could email it if anyone wants a larger view.


COOL PHOTO!!!!! thumbsup.gif
Moonlight_Magic
QUOTE (Wolfox @ Mar 16 2008, 02:37 PM) *
I've seen a couple of orbs in my family photos. Weird things, they are.


I always get orbs, regardless of what camera i use, bloomin things.

I once caught a moving orb (it had a slight trail behind it) in an old church but i dont have the photo anymore. My computer crashed and i lost it. I also had a photo with a what looked like a ghostly face on it from the same location. Lost that one too sad.gif

In regards to the OP im gonna agree thats its a dust or pollen particle. As i said i get a lot of them, especially in my house, i just assume its time to umm, get the duster out or something.

Besides if they are not pollen or dust spores, with the number of orbs i photograph it means they must be following me around or something, and im not even gonna go there lol. I dont think ive ever managed to take a set of photos without an orb showing up in one of them somewhere.

Maybe i need to practice with my photography or buy better cameras?
sora_1
QUOTE (Engimatic_soul @ Mar 27 2008, 04:19 PM) *
I always get orbs, regardless of what camera i use, bloomin things.

I once caught a moving orb (it had a slight trail behind it) in an old church but i dont have the photo anymore. My computer crashed and i lost it. I also had a photo with a what looked like a ghostly face on it from the same location. Lost that one too sad.gif

In regards to the OP im gonna agree thats its a dust or pollen particle. As i said i get a lot of them, especially in my house, i just assume its time to umm, get the duster out or something.

Besides if they are not pollen or dust spores, with the number of orbs i photograph it means they must be following me around or something, and im not even gonna go there lol. I dont think ive ever managed to take a set of photos without an orb showing up in one of them somewhere.

Maybe i need to practice with my photography or buy better cameras?


You said you have many photos with orbs!
Can u share some of them with us?? It will be great grin2.gif
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