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aliensrule99
just think our solar system is part of a galaxy which is part of the universe which is just like a bubble floating with a hundred,thousand,million other bubbles in hyperspace which have just the same things so if its so big we can,t be the only ones here.a common mistake scientists make is the think that aliens are 200,300,400 years more advanced than us but they may be thousands if not millions of years more advanced it would probably take us a thousand years with our tech to travel to the closest universe wich would probaly take them as long as a commercail flight.
Super_Mike
Yes I agree with what I understood in that incoherent jumble of words.

Defenitly we are not alone. The scope of the universe(s) is not fully understood by anyone on earth I can assure you.
HumanTorch
100% chance of other beings out there. But you don't know how advanced. We could be the first intelligent species or the last. There isn't proof on either. So until aliens make their selves known all we could do is guess.
OldTimeRadio

My own guess, supposition, even belief is that the Universe is teeming with life. But the fact remains that I can't prove it and neither can anybody else. At the present time, we just don't know for certain.
PersonFromPorlock
Ever since Fermi popped his famous question people have been trying to figure out where the neighbors are. The problem is, starting from any initial conditions, the universe ought to be packed full of folks... and it isn't. If we're both 'ordinary' and 'alone', the implications are, er, theological....
badeskov
QUOTE (PersonFromPorlock @ Mar 19 2008, 05:59 PM) *
Ever since Fermi popped his famous question people have been trying to figure out where the neighbors are. The problem is, starting from any initial conditions, the universe ought to be packed full of folks... and it isn't.


Well, that is really relative, isn't it? What if our nearest neighbors are intelligent, but haven't reached a state where they have started emitting radio waves just yet? They could be there, but we just don't know about it...

Cheers,
Badeskov
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE (badeskov @ Mar 20 2008, 02:40 AM) *
Well, that is really relative, isn't it? What if our nearest neighbors are intelligent, but haven't reached a state where they have started emitting radio waves just yet? They could be there, but we just don't know about it...

Cheers,
Badeskov


very true.
we sent our first one in...late 50s? early 60s? (correct me if im wrong, cause i think i am)
but what if these intelligent life forms are in their OWN 1890s, lets say. so they still have a little ways to go before they recieve something. let alone send one out.
DONTEATUS
it may also be that the others are here already and in line behind me on the highway pounding on there wheel to get whit it and evolve lol DONTEATUS
badeskov
QUOTE (Agent. Mulder @ Mar 19 2008, 08:00 PM) *
very true.
we sent our first one in...late 50s? early 60s? (correct me if im wrong, cause i think i am)
but what if these intelligent life forms are in their OWN 1890s, lets say. so they still have a little ways to go before they recieve something. let alone send one out.


I think we started sending out radio waves regularily in the early 1900, so we have probably been emitting for the last 100 years or so...and if our closest neighbors are at the same stage as we were in the 1890, there'd be no chance of us knowing they are there.

Cheers,
Badeskov
Sporkling
Maybe they could even be less advanced than us so they cannot come.
doesnt_matter
QUOTE (Electrokinesis is me @ Mar 20 2008, 05:02 AM) *
Maybe they could even be less advanced than us so they cannot come.


Or more advanced and will not.
Orcseeker
our galaxy is in a galaxy cluster and surrounded by many other galaxies which have their own solar systems... this is huge
OldTimeRadio
QUOTE (badeskov @ Mar 20 2008, 02:40 AM) *
What if our nearest neighbors are intelligent, but haven't reached a state where they have started emitting radio waves just yet?


How do we know that the aliens don't regard radio/electronics technology as being as fully as primitive as we regard sending messages by smoke signals or by banging on tom-toms? What if they stopped searching for interstellar radio signals 100,000 years ago?


Shadow09
I'm sure there are other beings out there. It'd be foolish to think of the whole entire universe that we're the only ones. They may be thousands of years more advanced than us. Or they could also still be in earlier times; prehistoric times even. I mean, who really knows?
badeskov
QUOTE (OldTimeRadio @ Mar 20 2008, 04:18 PM) *
How do we know that the aliens don't regard radio/electronics technology as being as fully as primitive as we regard sending messages by smoke signals or by banging on tom-toms? What if they stopped searching for interstellar radio signals 100,000 years ago?


Good point, that is another option. We obviously do not know - it could just as well be that they stopped 100,000 years, or 1,000,000 years ago; we have no way of determining that. We really only know two things: (1) we haven't detected them, and (2) we have no evidence of them visiting us (maybe they have detected us, but their reply is still "in the mail" or they decided that don't really want to talk to us).....

Cheers,
Badeskov
DONTEATUS
Thats the ticket it got lost in the mail LoL good point badeskov, we may never be able to even read what is being sent right now?DONTEATUS tongue.gif
shuntar
I think the problem is, races which can travel through space very quickly probably don't have much interest in those that don't, almost like how we see wildlife, maybe they would investigate us like we do our surroundings, but can't have a good relationship. Then you have races which can't travel through space, and they can't talk to anyone even if they want to, the only way they could do it is if the more advanced races set them up some kind of messaging system. However the more advanced races can keep themselves out of a lot of unessesary bother if they just stay out of it, so thats probably what they do. Pretty sure its what I would do wink2.gif

Its quite funny to think aswell, when humans declare territory, the wildlife kind of falls under it without any say in the matter. So if we are in a territory, then we kind of have a political situation going on which we don't even know about. Its possible we are protected from interference or attack, ie if you attack the planet you get thrown in "jail" or whatever the equivalent is ;D But I mean, the point is, if there are lots of aliens around, it must be a well organised system, there would have to be lead races which keep things in order. I can't believe things would just naturally work out and everyone is friendly with each other, maybe with the really high races but not the lower ones.

But also how far does the term "alien" go, and when do they start becoming "gods"? You could even see the whole universe as a creation from an alien race which just builds universes, always coming up with some different way to sustain life. Its quite interesting because the first universes could start out being really simple, and from them they'd learn from each universe they make, how to improve the next ones, which would mean we're in a sort of string of evolutions of universes.

But you have to wonder, what a universe is. Is it like a huge galaxy of galaxies, or is it a collection of them, or is it like a never ending 3 dimensional grid of universes which gradually change as you travel from one to the next, so if you travelled 1000 universes you would end up somewhere really weird? It would be boring if the whole universe was stars and planets everywhere eh ;D And everything made out of atoms, get real, lol.

But anyway I suppose its kind of like the afterlife, you don't know if it exists until you see it for yourself. Not that I can say I've seen either. But if you say they don't exist, theres nothing to say about it, but as soon as you consider that they might exist, theres all sorts of possibilities. But not many facts at the moment unfortunately ;P
cpjason
We are a social animal, so it is only logical that most people believe that we cannot be alone. Being alone is our number 1 fear, and causes insanity if forced upon us . A belief that other extra terrestrial beings exist is only natural to us, because social interaction is something deeply rooted in our genetic code.
Promethius
I definitely believe that there are other races out there, the universe is so incredibly vast that there must be many places where the variables are right to support life, but i think because of the universes size, they will be sooooo spread out that we may never come into contact with them.
NWDissorder
I share most of the opinions voiced thus far

the odds are simply in favour of other life forms be it more or less advanced (or maybe even just so different that we can't even measure or compare the differences)

odds are we aren't the most advanced thing in this universe and I am certain this is not the only planet that can support life

any one who doesn't believe in Aliens is a moron in my opinion (no offence though) when we can't even comprehend the vastness of our surrounding how can we be sure that nothing inhabits it
Super_Mike
QUOTE (shuntar @ Mar 21 2008, 06:10 AM) *
I think the problem is, races which can travel through space very quickly probably don't have much interest in those that don't, almost like how we see wildlife, maybe they would investigate us like we do our surroundings, but can't have a good relationship. Then you have races which can't travel through space, and they can't talk to anyone even if they want to, the only way they could do it is if the more advanced races set them up some kind of messaging system. However the more advanced races can keep themselves out of a lot of unessesary bother if they just stay out of it, so thats probably what they do. Pretty sure its what I would do wink2.gif

Its quite funny to think aswell, when humans declare territory, the wildlife kind of falls under it without any say in the matter. So if we are in a territory, then we kind of have a political situation going on which we don't even know about. Its possible we are protected from interference or attack, ie if you attack the planet you get thrown in "jail" or whatever the equivalent is ;D But I mean, the point is, if there are lots of aliens around, it must be a well organised system, there would have to be lead races which keep things in order. I can't believe things would just naturally work out and everyone is friendly with each other, maybe with the really high races but not the lower ones.

But also how far does the term "alien" go, and when do they start becoming "gods"? You could even see the whole universe as a creation from an alien race which just builds universes, always coming up with some different way to sustain life. Its quite interesting because the first universes could start out being really simple, and from them they'd learn from each universe they make, how to improve the next ones, which would mean we're in a sort of string of evolutions of universes.

But you have to wonder, what a universe is. Is it like a huge galaxy of galaxies, or is it a collection of them, or is it like a never ending 3 dimensional grid of universes which gradually change as you travel from one to the next, so if you travelled 1000 universes you would end up somewhere really weird? It would be boring if the whole universe was stars and planets everywhere eh ;D And everything made out of atoms, get real, lol.

But anyway I suppose its kind of like the afterlife, you don't know if it exists until you see it for yourself. Not that I can say I've seen either. But if you say they don't exist, theres nothing to say about it, but as soon as you consider that they might exist, theres all sorts of possibilities. But not many facts at the moment unfortunately ;P


Yeah I agree. I love thinking about possible politicts involved in Alien races.

However, hopefully such an advanced race if free from the competition of territory, and is a peaceful society. I think that would be the only possible way to advance as a race.

And if you think about it, maybe ET's aren't contacting us and only observing due to political reasons. Maybe they feel interference in a developing race is only detrimental to us, and we can only advance on our own without intervention...??? There MUST BE politicts in some way affecting the reason why these UFO don't just land in front of people and identify themselves.

Who knows...


OldTimeRadio
I recall an early exobiologist I heard interviewed on television in the late 1950s. He said:

"Look, we are either alone in the vastness of the Universe or we are not. Either way, it's scary!"
Gunmunky
QUOTE (shuntar @ Mar 21 2008, 06:10 AM) *
Its quite funny to think aswell, when humans declare territory, the wildlife kind of falls under it without any say in the matter. So if we are in a territory, then we kind of have a political situation going on which we don't even know about. Its possible we are protected from interference or attack, ie if you attack the planet you get thrown in "jail" or whatever the equivalent is ;D But I mean, the point is, if there are lots of aliens around, it must be a well organised system, there would have to be lead races which keep things in order. I can't believe things would just naturally work out and everyone is friendly with each other, maybe with the really high races but not the lower ones.

Yeah Under alien protection! cool.gif
I gotta say if they made contact and said "be our allies, work for us, be part of our empire and we will trade and share knowldge with you" - I'd say hell yeah! lol
Finity
If the universe is infinitely big then the chance is 100% (as there would be an infinite chance).

But most likely it's not, though because it's still stupidly big the chances are still more likely than not that there are other planets which support life. In reach of us though, who knows. As someone already said, an race that can already travel across space wouldn't be interested in us unless we had something they needed. But then most resources found on earth can be found on other planets in our solar system (apart from oil because it comes from rotten sea creatures) tongue.gif
DONTEATUS
not even the bravest in here can say how big the universe really is. because it would be mans yard stick that would be questioned and used on that guess. And we all konw that most men do more than a little fibbing on size of things LoL,anywho we could be just an atom sized universe inside much smaler or larger bucket all on its way to just about anywhere. DONTEATUS tongue.gif Happy Easter to all
carpost
QUOTE (nickynick360 @ Mar 20 2008, 12:09 AM) *
100% chance of other beings out there. But you don't know how advanced. We could be the first intelligent species or the last. There isn't proof on either. So until aliens make their selves known all we could do is guess.


indeed. but have u ever wondered.. what if other beings wont show up for a certaing reason? maybe we arent alone but we may never find out because someting is keeping them from coming? is it possible that the government has created or formed some kind of physical or metamorphic treaty with alins stating that their existence cannot be revealed? because if aliens do exist, whats stopping them from coming. if they have the technology to trave in vast space, they shouldnt be afraid of humans, cause obiously, we are inferior towards them
Mesobaite
If you really think about it is insanely arrogant to think that we are the only life forms in existence. Albeit the only intelligent life.

Personally, I believe aliens are here now and come here regularly. The point of the intervention of politics is a valid one and would explain why they do not atleast interact in a way to be detected by the masses. Perhaps there is a steady 'flow' of single solitary contact with certain individuals.

Mathematically, due to the size of the universe the probability of there being life on other parts of just our galaxy alone is great. Perhaps the probability of there being intelligent life such as ourselves is also great in our own galaxy. But consider the whole universe or universes in existence. In this light it is almost a certainty that life and intelligent life exists.

I mean we're talking billions of billions of billions of stars here. And many of these stars have tens of planets. There has got to be other intelligent life out there. I wouldn't be surprised if there were another parallel world to ours. I meann my goodness, how many times have we gone out and seen people who look like us? I know a few guys who could be my twin. And there are only 300,000 people where I live. MAn thats a drop in the bucket to billions of billions of billions. There is probably even another 'earth' out there some where!
hazzard
QUOTE (Promethius @ Mar 21 2008, 10:43 AM) *
I definitely believe that there are other races out there, the universe is so incredibly vast that there must be many places where the variables are right to support life, but i think because of the universes size, they will be sooooo spread out that we may never come into contact with them.


I agree.

While I certainly expect that the Galaxy is home to many advanced societies, the quality of the evidence has so far failed to convince me that any of them have emissaries on our planet.

DigitalSentinal
QUOTE
Being alone is our number 1 fear


Actually, according to many online polls, Public Speaking still ranks as the world's number one fear - followed by a tossup between heights and death. Go figure. wink2.gif
badeskov
QUOTE (DigitalSentinal @ Mar 23 2008, 10:57 AM) *
Actually, according to many online polls, Public Speaking still ranks as the world's number one fear


Interesting, I didn't know that. But speaking to a crowd can be scary - I still remember the first time I had to do that for a large crowd; I didn't get much sleep the night before wink2.gif

Cheers,
Badeskov
OldTimeRadio
QUOTE (Mesobaite @ Mar 23 2008, 10:24 AM) *
If you really think about it is insanely arrogant to think that we are the only life forms in existence. Albeit the only intelligent life.


Indeed. But it is NOT arrogant to admit that we just don't yet know one way or the other.
Gunmunky
Yeah, Not until Aliens are on the news at the whitehouse or something.
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