I am a little bewildered. Since the 16th Amendment states that Congress can levy income taxes then, why couldn't any "sanfu" in a statute/regulation be remedied by the tax leviers?

Thank you all for saying this. Serving our country which has no king and no dictator and whose leaders are selected by its citizens from amongst its citizens is something that all Americans should do. And I am not just talking about military service - any service to your nation means nothing more and nothing less than doing your part to contribute to the success of our great democratic experiment.

The USA could have chosen to coronate a king or willingly submit to a dictator but, instead, we adopted a constitution that allowed us to govern ourselves.

I am proud of my service not because I was a high-speed, low-drag hooah ranger but because I served my country - period. There are a million ways to do this and I am sure you have all done so honourably in your own ways.

What about you SoCrazes? What units were you with?

That, is a hell of a grand attitude! It's mighty damned refreshing to hear...given some of the nonsense spewed on some of these threads.

We are proud of your service too, Repo.

Excuse me?

How was it Jimmy Carter who 'reduced this country from an idea of American primacy and ability'? And moreover, what does that even mean? American primacy?

It was actually Reagan's fiscal mismanagement which turned the US into a debtor nation.

As for your take on Clinton & Obama... one of them is actually talking about putting back in place the financial regulations which were removed during Clinton's time in office.

If those regulations had been left in place, we wouldn't be watching this sub-prime meltdown.

No, on the contrary, excuse me? Were you there in 1976?

Appeasement...capitulation to terrorists demands, etc...perhaps you remember the Iranian hostage crisis, which Carter allowed to go on interminably, and which curiously, was resolved forthwith after Reagan took office?

Know why?
Because Carter reduced us from a country who stood on its own two feet and did things to a country that believed we should not be the most powerful nation on the planet. He felt that a balance of power was in the best interests of everyone. He allowed the hostage takers to make demands, and when he granted them, they pushed him for more, and he kept giving in.

Reagan did no such thing, and they knew he was serious. Thus they released the hostages, because they knew Reagan would wipe them out.

Remember double digit inflation and higher and higher tax rates? Environmental regulation based upon nothing and which still influences the economy in a negative way to this day?

Ever wonder why Reagan is ranked among the greatest Presidents in American history...and why Carter is ranked at near the bottom of the list?

It's a no brainer, actually.

Carter is the primary reason for the demise of the old Democratic party, the "party of Kennedy" (who just about every Democratic candidate since Carter has somewhat comically invoked) ceased to exist.

(Kennedy today would be a moderate Republican...if that).

Honestly, your historical perspective on things is highly skewed.

Does one need to be alive to understand history?

Nevertheless, yes I was alive then, if that's what you meant... if you really meant "there"... where is the "there" you are referring to?





Wow... no, that's really not what happened. Far from it, actually. In reality Reagan actually did negotiate with Iran, long before the election, and worked out a deal to delay the release. On the day of Reagan's inauguration, the US released almost $8 billion in Iranian assets... and (surprise surprise) the hostages were freed.

More importantly, the agreement gave Iran immunity from lawsuits arising from the incident.

This has come to be known as the "October Surprise", and also ties into the Iran Contra scandal.




*sigh*

Yes, it's a no-brainer... it's PR. Stagflation under Carter was horrible... it's true... but Reagan's introduction of Borrow-And-Spend fiscal management is a disaster we still haven't clawed our way out from under, although the changes in the tax code that Clinton put in place along that tech bubble did put a little dent in it. Alas...





Thanks for sharing your opinion. Don't see much point in arguing it. I'll just say that I don't share it.




That's a matter of perspective, friend... cause I would say the same of yours.

I've got no pony in this race, and am hardly an expert on (recent) US History -- although I will admit I'm no fan of Reagan -- but I do know within the past few years, there's been a significant, generally positive re-assessment of Carter and his presidency by historians.

Just sort of reporting the fact, since -- as I say -- not being aware of what was going in this period, and it not being an area I've subsequently studied much, I'm in no way able to make an informed comment on the subject like either MID or redqueen.

--Jaylemurph

To be fair, in April of 1980, Carter did authorize Operation Eagle Claw, a military action against Iran to rescue the hostages

Wiki link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_One

It turned into one of the biggest SNAFUs in special-ops history (I joined the 2/75th Ranger Battalion 18 months after that operation and got to speak with several of the Rangers involved in it).

It was actually that disaster which caused the US military to re-think its approach to special ops and led, ultimately, to the creation of SOCOM (Special Operations COMmand).

You're absolutely right, Repo...he did indeed authorize Eagle Claw, 6 months into the crisis.
And I am aware of the SNAFU...as you most certainly are, and that it led to the creation of SOCOM.

I am also aware of the increased anti-American sentiment and the increased prestige of the Ayatollah that resulted from this disaster, as well as the strengthening of the Iranian radicals, and the general notion in Iran that America was powerless to do anything.

My point is--I think that the Iranians knew full well that Reagan wasn't going to be quite so easy to deal with as Carter was. Further, I think they had been informed, either directly or implicitly, that Reagan was involved in planning another operation, and that personnel involved were on alert status and ready to move at a moments notice. Once Reagan became President, I don't think they were willing to risk an invasion...

If Carter had been re-elected, by some twist of strange fate, I also think it's a no-brainer that his negotiations with the Iranians would've proved fruitless for some time to come....

Embarassed to say after seeing your "resume." I was a clerk in an academy. Worked my butt off and got to "rub elbows" with some top brass. Real impressed with the Army. A real class act that. I'd recommend the military to just about anyone.

WT this has to be the most off topic post here and anywhere I have ever been! - Pages of absolutely nothing to do with anything this thread is about!

r******ED!!!

You're absolutely right and I apologize. By the way, their was an overflow error when I made the previous post leading to multiple postings. Sorry all!

good vid alltho he isn't the best spokes man for this cause

I agree his voice is not the nicest thing to listen to for over two hours. If you are up for another video on this topic that explains in detail why US citizens working within the US do not have to pay income tax; here you go:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7521758492370018023

4dplane

After watching that how anyone could still say we are liable to pay income tax, are simply willfully ignorant.

You want the truth about who runs what. It's easy. G.O.D.

GOLD-OIL-DRUGS....In gold, oil and drugs we trust.

You control those 3 commodities and you can run an empire. All the wars of this century has been fought over them.

Solution...live off 'The Grid'.

Grow a garden. Make biodiesel. Wind,water,solar powered houses. In the future it could be whole communities living off the grid. Supported only by 'green' technology. Geothermal powered turbines to produce electricity.

Our economy is based on G.O.D.

We dont need thier commodoties or thier wars and to hell with them. Wall Street and the FED. Bloodsucking ticks.

I agree; the problem is I think this video actually takes a bit of IQ (110) and fortitude to see it through - the tax code is not simple to understand but at the same time, why shouldn’t the average person be able to understand it? I believe they can if they take the time; but I just heard a poll a while back that stated over 50% of adults have not read a book in the ten years they have graduated from High school . So how can we expect the majority of Americans to know their butt from a hole in the ground.

I am a computer programmer and to me watching this seemed nothing more then a lot of conditionals ("if this" --> "do that" else, "do this" etc ...) Completely logical and to the point; I hope more will watch and take the time to understand.

It all makes sense to me now, (kind of!) the income tax was created because people that were not US citizens were using our banks and other US recourses tax free, and US citizens that did not live in the US were tax free, and US citizens that made money abroad were tax free; so the income tax was put into play to tax those people; hence why the tax law (title 26 etc...) never talks about taxing people making money within the US only! It only specifies all other people and how they should be taxed – all the way to the point of stating why we do not get to tax other countries for services that have nothing to do with us.

Also, why would “subchapter N” of title 26 even be there if we are not supposed to include it in the rendering of the meaning of the US tax code – that would make no sense at all!

4dplane