"On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon." So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day."
Joshua 10:12-13

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/folklore/joshua.html




In the Book of Joshua, chapter 10, verses 12 and 13, it states:

10:12: Then spoke Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel and he said in the sight of Israel "Sun, stand thou still at Gibcon and thou Moon in the valley of Ai'jalon."
10:13: And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/JOSHUA-1.html


In fact, many interpretations were introduced to explain this miracle. However, I have my own new interpretation that is based on Attiyah's Sun Theory.


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Attiyah's Sun theory has many hypotheses:


1) The bulk of the diffuse daylight is generated in the ionosphere by the same mechanisms that generate the polar auroras.


2) The solar X-rays and ultraviolet light are the primary origin for the energy needed to drive the global, continuous occurrence of the daytime auroral activities.


3) The global daytime auroras are capable of forming the so-called auroral corona which is the primary source of the daytime beam radiation.
4) The Sun always forms a far glowing background for the daytime auroral corona.


5) The formation of the auroral corona and concentration of its light, are both intimately related to the magnetic zenith effect.


6) The earthward spread of the light from the magnetic zenith is intimately governed by the phenomenon of aspect sensitivity.



N.B.
I consider that the auroral radiant point is different from the auroral corona. Accordingly, the auroral radiant point is a matter of perspective i.e., an illusive convergence similar to the rail-road track effect, whereas the auroral corona is a real convergence of light caused by the magnetic zenith effect. However, the radiant point and auroral corona are generally concomitant and optically coincident.




http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/


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So, how do I interpret the Joshua's prolonged day?


I consider that on the day when Joshua was involved in fighting the Amorites, there was an exceptionally great magnetic storm accompanied by an exceptionally auroral storm. The displays of that very great auroral storm stayed tremendously bright forming an auroral corona that remained hung overhead in the sky shining for few hours after sunset.

In short, the day of Joshua's battle against the Amorites synchronized with an exceptionally great auroral storm that showed a very bright auroral corona that lasted shining for a long while after sunset. Really, the appearance of the bright auroral corona looks like the sunburst.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap041109.html

http://www.spacew.com/gallery/image004202-thumb.jpg

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreac...ra/greatcor.jpg

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap020115.html

mhm. Attiyah. A very very similar thread of yours was recentally closed due to your not answering questions about your theory. I hope that this thread will be more productive.

WaspieDwarf specifically asked you to PM him if you wanted the thread reopened. You have given it a very slightly different angle so I will allow it for now but I do hope it doesn't go the way of the previous thread.

That said I will be keeping an eye on this thread and I suspect that Waspie will as well.

Attiyah, if you are saying that your "coronas" can continue to "shine" long after the sun has set, then why have we never experienced this phenomena since Joshua ?

"Solar Storms" (extended bursts of unusually high x-ray/gamma-ray intensity) are a common thing, and - indeed - lead to increased Aurora Borealis activity. However, we have NEVER experienced an extended period of daylight (or a pause in the motion of the sun) as a consequence; not even fractionaly.

Could you answer this in plain english, and without recourse to invented terminology and pseudo-jargon please ?

Thanking you in advance...

Meow Purr.

Oh jesus, here we go again...



Cz

Dear Posters,

All that is needed to support that Joshua's Sun was the auroral corona of an exceptionally great auroral storm or an extremely great magnetic storm, and also to prove Attiyah's Sun Theory, is to deeply and extensively study the so famous super great aurora or storm of the year 1859.

Using a biblical passage to support your theory is risky, if not extremely naive and very foolish, since there is little to no conclusive proof that the Bible is an accurate historical document. Theologians and historians cannot even agree on when the various books of the bible were written and by whom.

Neither of the links you have provided lend any support to your theory:


All this page says is this:

"This miraculous account of Yahweh, the Judaic & later Christian god, stopping the movement of the Sun was the basis for the Catholic Church's refusal to acknowledge Galileo's proofs that the Earth went around the Sun. The Inquisiton panel argued that the Sun could not have been stopped if, indeed, it didn't travel around the Earth."

How does that support your "aurora" theory?


And this link only uses the Joshua story to lead into dissertations about the age of the Old Testament, interpretations of various Hebrew texts, discussion of ancient science, a theory of the ancient Phoenician alphabet having roots in astrological / astronomical constellations, and a debate of sorts over creationism vs. evolution.

It does however have a small section specifically about the Joshua story which ends with this conclusion:

"Thus, I must conclude that there is not and never was any Book of Jasher. The story about Joshua making the sun and moon stop was simply an often used literary artifice to make Joshua look important and powerful. It was a common literary device in the old testament to use "Is it not written in the Book of ..." to make it seem as if the story comes from an older source, when actually it was simply a fictional story-telling device to enhance the "authority" of the storyteller."

So... care to answer any of the other questions that have been asked of you regarding this "theory" of yours? Your previous thread is still available, although it is closed to new responses, so I and others will await your answers here in this thread, unless this one gets closed as well.

And please... only provide specific ANSWERS to the specific QUESTIONS that have been asked, not more of your unintelligible and generally meaningless techno-babble. This is YOUR theory... a theory that challenges ESTABLISHED FACT, so it is up to YOU to DEFEND your theory.


Cz

See the images here

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/

Have you viewed these images and read their full relevant captions?

Directing us to still more pictures that do not support your "theory" DOES NOT answer the questions asked of you.


Cz

mhm. Attiyah I am waiting for YOU to explain your theory, not just post some photos

Please show us what you want to see or this thread will go the way of the last. And if you keep this up it won't be long before you are called a spammer because that basically is what you are doing. And that will be the end.

To second what AtlantisRises has said, you have already had one topic closed because it became pointless as a result of your unwillingness or inability to enter into meaningful discussion, this one is likely to go the same way if you continue to employ the "look at the pictures" tactics that you used previously.

Attiyah's Sun theory has many hypotheses:

1- The bulk of the diffuse daylight is generated in the ionosphere by the same mechanisms that generate the polar auroras.
2- The solar X-rays and ultraviolet light are the primary origin for the energy needed to drive the global, continuous occurrence of the daytime auroral activities.
3- The global daytime auroras are capable of forming the so-called auroral corona which is the primary source of the daytime beam radiation.
4- The Sun always forms a far glowing background for the daytime auroral corona.
5- The formation of the auroral corona and concentration of its light, are both intimately related to the magnetic zenith effect.
6- The earthward spread of the light from the magnetic zenith is intimately governed by the phenomenon of aspect sensitivity.

N.B.
I consider that the auroral radiant point is different from the auroral corona. Accordingly, the auroral radiant point is a matter of perspective i.e., an illusive convergence similar to the rail-road track effect, whereas the auroral corona is a real convergence of light caused by the magnetic zenith effect. However, the radiant point and auroral corona are generally concomitant and optically coincident.

Introduction:

Attiyah's Sun theory considers that the overwhelming contribution to the daylight is an ionosphere-produced light especially that produced by the aurora-generating mechanisms. In other words, apart from the beam radiation that apparently comes from the Sun, the diffuse light of the daytime sky is mainly produced by the same mechanisms which generate the polar auroras. This means that auroras are not restricted to the polar region or found only in the two auroral ovals.
There are two collections of photos showing that the auroras are global and occurring around the clock and that they form the overwhelming contributions to the daylight:

Conclusive Evidence:

"The Ultraviolet Imager (UVI) uses a specially designed camera to filter out all of the light except that emitted by the aurorae themselves".


http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast25jun96.htm

http://uvi.nsstc.nasa.gov/

"With UVI, a special camera aboard the Polar spacecraft, scientists can observe the aurora borealis on the day and night side while the spacecraft is over the northern hemisphere.
Quantitative analyses of global auroral phenomena are now possible using the global UVI images of the Earth's northern polar region. By using the solar-blind, narrowband spectral images of the Ultraviolet Imager with the LBH Long filter (160-180 nm), total energy input to the auroral zone can be derived for those cases where the entire auroral oval in the field of view."

http://spacescience.spaceref.com/newhome/h...st28may98_2.htm

Such cameras were and are still used by NASA's Dynamics Explorers and Polar spacecraft.

1) Images of the dome of daytime sky taken by Dynamics Explorer 1.

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/www/desai/

http://www.livingcosmos.com/images/theta.jpg

The imaging photometers aboard NASA's Dynamics Explorer 1 captured a lot of photos in UV light of wavelengths characterizing the auroral emissions i.e., these auroral UV wavelengths are principal contributions to the aurora and the dayglow. They are from the emission lines of atomic oxygen at about 130.4 and 135.6 nm and from the LBH bands of molecular nitrogen.


http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/galler...05_caption.html

These photos showed that all the dome of the daytime sky is a source of wavelengths predominantly from the emission lines of atomic oxygen at about 130.4 and 135.6 nm, and from the Lyman-Birge-Hopfield bands of molecular nitrogen.

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/galler...07_caption.html

Both UV LBH N2 bands and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen in the dome of the daylight seem greatly more intense than those from the auroral ovals themselves.

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/theta.gif

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/galler...05_caption.html

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/galler...09_caption.html

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/plate19.gif

Moreover, it is obvious from all the photos that the source of LBH N2 bands and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen in the daytime dome is at the same height that concerns their source in the auroral ovals i.e., the LBH N2 emissions and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen of the daytime sky dome come from the same ionospheric layers which the UV LBH N2 emissions and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen of the polar auroras come from. Certainly, all UV LBH N2 emissions and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen are ionosphere-produced light generated by the same mechanisms that are associated with the auroral activities in the classical polar auroral zone.
Any way, the photos can show that both of the auroral oval and the dome of the dayglow develop simultaneously such that their UV LBH N2 bands and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen are also enhanced at the same time.

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/plate13.gif

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/theta.gif


What do these results indicate?

Really, these results conclusively and clearly indicate that the auroras are global i.e., the auroral activities occur continuously in the whole daytime ionosphere. In short, they indicate that there are continuous, diurnal extremely bright auroras forming the overwhelming contributions to the daylight.

2) Photos captured by The Ultraviolet Imager aboard NASA's POLAR spacecraft.

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreac...ora/panoram.gif

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreac...urora/theta.gif

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreac...ora/demar89.jpg

Well, if the auroras are restricted to the two auroral ovals, and even if the daytime auroras are restricted to the daytime sectors of the two auroral ovals themselves, then the UVI must fail to take any photo for the dome of the daytime sky in between them.
However, the UVI images succeeded in photographing almost the whole daytime sky using the emissions that characterize auroras. This reveals that the whole daylight is always greatly rich in auroral light.

What do such photos indicate?

Really, such photos conclusively and clearly indicate that the auroral activities occur globally i.e., there are greatly active auroras always occurring in the sky of all the daytime latitudes. As well, they indicate that the daytime auroras are usually extremely brighter even than their nighttime exceptionally bright polar counterparts. Analogous to the ability of the polar bright auroras to show an auroral corona, no doubt, the diurnal extremely bright ones necessarily have their own auroral corona. With respect to the Earth-stationed observers, I consider that the latter auroral corona lies in the face of the Sun.



Summary

How to utilize the above referred-to photos to be a conclusive evidence for proving Attiyah's Sun Theory?

First of all, we must remember some preliminary facts:

1- The used cameras were designed so that their filters allow only wavelengths characteristic of the auroral light such as LBH N2 bands and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen.
2- The photos were taken only in wavelengths that characterize auroral light i.e., it is established that these wavelengths are produced in the ionosphere only by the aurora-generating mechanisms. This means that auroral activities are occurring every where in the sky these wavelengths are observed coming from.

Results:

1) The images show that the auroral light is not confined in the auroral oval, but instead it is present throughout the whole daytime ionosphere.

2) The intensity of the auroral light in the daytime ionosphere is so greatly brighter than in the auroral oval itself.

Conclusions:

1- The mechanisms that produce the traditional polar auroras, or the auroras of the so-called auroral oval, are global i.e., the aurora-generating mechanisms are always active not only in the polar ionosphere, but also in the whole daytime ionosphere as well as in the whole nighttime ionosphere.

2- Since the intended images were taken during auroral substorms or even auroral storms, a bright auroral corona should be formed, because such formation is inevitable in such circumstances.


3- According to the world-wide occurrence of the auroral storm (magnetic storm) during which the intended photos were taken, an auroral corona, extremely brighter than its contemporary nocturnal polar counterpart, should be viewed by the people everywhere in the dayside hemisphere. At least, a diurnal polar auroral corona should be formed at the same time of the formation of the nocturnal polar auroral corona. However, this formation is inevitable because the dayside part of the polar auroral zone is under the same auroral oval in which the auroras were greatly enhanced during the magnetic storm.

So, where do we find the auroral corona of the daytime polar auroras, or of the daytime auroras of the middle and low latitudes?
We find this auroral corona making a searchlight for the Sun. No doubt, this very auroral corona is the cause of the sunburst appearance and the dazzling rays not only of the sunrise and sunset, but also of the Sun throughout the day. In its turn, this conclusion means that the apparently solar beam radiation is predominantly from daytime, global extremely bright auroras always occurring in the whole ionosphere.
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N.B.
Please, read the full captions for all the photos of this link:
http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/

Oh come on, this is going nowhere, we already have a theory explaining this, and thing is, attiyah's theory has no chances of replacing this. The present theory has been scientifically and physically proven, while attiya's "theory" has no prove whatsoever, and HAS NOT BEEN PRESENTED CORRECTLY, first of all to develop a scientific theory YOU NEED TO FOLLOW THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD, which you aren't doing now, you also need to EXPERIMENT, this experiments will lead to proof if the outcome is supports your theory. A bunch of photos are NOT experiment or proof whatsoever. You theory is being presented incorrectly, you are claiming things which are PHYSICALLY IMPOSIBLE, when making a theory be sure it is supported by the LAWS OF PHYSICS in most ways.

I insist, this is going nowhere once again, attiyah is just repeating himself (which is getting quite anoying).

Attiyah, I notice that you evaded responding to my question in post #3.

You spent a great deal of time 'proving' that there are aurora's present during daytime. Well, yes, there would be, wouldn't they ? However, at NO point have you demonstrated that these aurora's are responsible for the brightness of the sky that we experience duriing daytime.

OK Attiyah, try THIS one.

If the aurora's where causing the sky to 'glow', then why hasn't this been detected from space ? We have a plethora of photographs of the Earth from space. Various governments spend HUGE sums of money putting photographic spy satelites into orbit in order to keep an eye on Waspie Dwarf.

But if your theory was correct, then ALL that those expensive photographs would show would be a glowing canopy. They would NOT be able to see land masses, oceans, clouds, dissidents reading newspapers etc etc etc etc. The glowing "Attiyah" coronal canopy would blot it all out.

Could you respond to this in STANDARD ENGLISH, and WITHOUT recourse to invented self-refferential terminology, and WITHOUT just posting a forest of links please ?

Thanking you in anticipation.

Meow Purr.

Attiyah,
Your last post is a return to exactly the same argument you made in the closed thread, Attiyah's Sun theory. A reminder of what you have been told so far by Moderators:


This latest post of your shows that the topics ARE NOT from a sufficiently different angle to warrant a new thread. If you wished to have the original topic reopened yo were asked to PM a moderator to have that done, it seems you did not do so. What you were told was this:



That thread WAS closed. You HAVE started a new thread on the same topic therefore this topic will also be closed.

I will also remind you of one of the rules of this site:



I will make this as clear as possible. DO NOT START ANOTHER THREAD ON THIS SUBJECT. If you continue to ignore moderator requests not only will your threads be locked but you may also lose the ability to post here.

I will repeat what I said last time, if you are prepared to discuss the subject sensibly (i.e. answer the questions which are being asked) then your topics will be merged and reopened. PM myself or another moderator if you want to answer the questions.