You can go off saying that I don't know anything about what I'm talking about. But to those people, you must not know much more, because you visited my forum.

But if you have something to ask about related to spiritual happingings such as ghosts, evil spirits, demons, and etc. (not entities, because that would be everything that lives) You can ask me.

Forum ? It's just a thread.

OK.. lets give it a shot.

When a ghost appears to someone, it is at least partially visible. That means it is emitting photons. Where does that energy come from ? Is it not in conflict with the concept of conservation of energy ?

Meow Purr.

Do you have any evidence to show us that these things actually exist ???? thanks

And where did your knowledge come from . do you speak with spirits/demons . or do you just get your "knowledge" from reading books and internet forums or do you have some form of spiritual teacher . just asking because of your name . ?

The present day ruling class of demons comes from were? (They're not from hell)
If you can tell me that i would appreciate it.

MEOW Sweetie!

I'm no expert but I think that's why spirits tend to drian things and/or persons when trying to appear. They SHARE the energy; it just shifts... just my thoughts.

Question: Why is it impossible for one to become truly enlightened?

What forum are you talking about? Thats all I have to ask...JN

Jeez, everytime I come over to te Paranormal, I either put my reply in the wrong post or get totally confused...

LOL You are not the only one confused..((Goalie))..JN-

If there's no Jesus, then who makes the next tissue pop up when you pull one from the box?

You are right Jody, and this is why it does not conflict with the law of conservation of energy. However, even though it does not happen often it can be wrong. For example everything is NOT made up of matter I.E. Antimatter. Also I don't think it is impossible, however to become truly enlightened I believe we must be able to experience our true self. Our true self is something that experiences everything but it is something we never experience and it is something impossible to describe through language. We must be able to unlearn everything we know and all of our perceptions or illusions because they may interfere with knowing "yourself". The best way I can describe what it would be like to become truly enlightened (and no you won't know everything, until you're dead and you release "yourself" which is your spirit) would be if you can get to a point in meditation where you think,see,hear NOTHING. You're mind does not wonder a bit, you do not take notice of your breaths and you do not take notice that you are thinking about nothing at all. I hope that helps

Nice..............

Yep I agree, just sit there and be silent in spirit, mind, and body, and you will start to discover who you truely are.Buhda was a man and then he became enlightened at some point.I'm not a very religious person, but a couple of things in the bible always struck a cord with me and I think it applies to this.

Where god says he loves a quite soul, and where jesus says to get into the kingdom of heave you must become like a child.I think those two sayings from the bible really do refer to enlightenment, and think that it is completely possible to achieve it.

What credentials do you have to speak this way? Why do you self proclaim yourself an expert in the field that others can barely grasp? I do not believe you are able to answer and prove yourself more than any other person on this forum.

To the people saying that this a topic and not a forum. I understand now. Only one person whould have to had to correct me on that. But thank you.

To the people that said they want me to prove it. I can't. I can only simply type what I know and hope you have an open mind to other stuff then what you might have already heard. But I will do my best.

Ghosts/spirits are the remaining energy for the body of a dead animal or person. Every animal has has mant types of energy that need to live. This energy is hard to see with normal eyes and this is also why scientist have yet to prove the existence of spiritual beings. There no human theories or laws that apply to these beings. Well none that we have made at least.

Ghosts are Easy to explane. They can't touch anything. No matter what a ghost will never move or hurt anything. Ghost are the after body that animals take when they die. Not everyone becomes a ghost. Sometimes the soul will either go straight to heaven or hell. Depending how how much you sinned in their life.

Evil Spirits are related to ghost in a some what close way. They are the souls of the dead. But they have so many emotions running through them that they take a different form and can move things or even hurt people. But mainly if these things attack they will do it to kill. So some of those deaths or attacks on people that you may hear from where ever. That just may be an evil spirit.

Demons are the widly known beings that roam the Earth. Yes there are many and the can harm people. But not all are evil. All they want to do is live there lives. And we get the idea that they're evil their ways of living. Such as one of their forms of food. They feed off the energy with in humans and animal alike. Would you go off saying something is evil that's sucking the life from you. Yes anyone would do that. But not all demons are bad.

That's just a little information on basic things I know. Fell free to comment. But keep it to a harsh minimum, because after all this is what I believe and know you can't change.

As for what you'll asked me.

Lolipopkid. I guess I really can't prove anything to you. I don't have a special licences saying that I'm a paranoral expert. Or a degree that says I know what I'm talking about. Because they don't make those. So next time you ask for credentials. Make sure you know what topic you're on.

She-ra. The only thing that would be doing any draining would be a demon. Nothing else can just take your energy.

Ghost Ship. You do have a point. Demons just don't pop out of thin air. They are born just like other animals But they have many places that they come from. Most popular would be the Underworld. No it's not a place in the middle of the Earth and is different from Hell. Hell is near it. But the Underworld is just the Plains where Demons live and roam. Believe it or not, it's not that bad there. Grass does grow and there is no hell fire what so ever. But demons do come from other places which are still unknown.

SS79. I did learn things here and there. Never took any traviling or books/tv. I really am not aloud to say to much. But even if I were to tell you where I learned such things. You still wouldn't have enough proof. Yes I can talk to them.

How do you know so much about demon's?

For example: Where they live?
How they are born?
Why don't they show themselves to everyone?

Any more information you can share would be of great help.

Bible stuff, I mean no disrespect...

thanks primordial, but I was kinda hoping there was other info besides what's already in the bible.

So you came here to share your knowledge yet show no proof and cant tell us where you learnt these supposed facts . since thats how you state them . Nice .

Class finished I guess

I do have my sources on where I learn these things even though I can't talk about them. Sorry.

But demon can show themselves. Why they don't? Because they're scared. Demon feed off of humans. And most humans don't believe in demons. If the knowledge Of this gets to far out. Humans will find a way to fight the demons from feeding off of us. If they do that the demons will lose their food.

And non of this is Bible crap. Only like ten percent of the Bible is true. So everything I talk about will not be reference to Bible Studies.

Sorry if I insulted anyone that's very religious. I don't mean to push my views on to people or say that your religion is wrong. It's just my religion and you can't really persucute someone for having different views. Sorry again.

Your entitled to your opinions as much as anyone .

How do you think it would be possible for us to fight against demons in what way ??? . I don't believe in demons by the way but it would be interesting anyway to know how you think this uprise against demons could pan out . If knowledge was gained by the masses .

We as human begins have the right to fight not to be taken for granted whether its from another human or demon. I agree with you regarding the Bible that only 10% of the Bible is in fact true. I am not a religious person, or though I used to be, I've found my own belief system that works for me. I don't believe in God, nor do I believe there is a Devil, I do believe that we have the knowledge to decide what is real and what isn't. What is right for ourselves what isn't and so on...I believe we come from a great Energy, what? I don't know but I know that Energy what ever it is is real.

Well I'm sorry you want me to do something I can't do. Really! Are you the person that tells someone with no legs to walk. Again. I'm not aloud to tell where I learned this. For a few reasons. One I swore an oath not to tell where I learned these things. And I have too much pride. Sorry to disapoint. And how am I going to show proof. People keep asking for proof when they should know that there is no way for me to show it. What kind of proof are you'll looking for? A piece of paper saying that I know what I'm tlaking about. Well who gave me this then. Do they know what I'm talking about. If they where do they get their proof. It's just a big circle that you're going through. So maybe you just have to go on your gut and maybe think that what I speak is possiable.

Well that's just what the demons think. That's not my opinion.

I like your views on that everyone should pick what's best for them religion wise. And as I may have said before. I'm not here to conform people to my thoughts and way. I just want to put a little word out there so some open minded people can mull over what I say. Whether or not they believe me. But for those people that don't believe me. You have to burn me at the stake for it.

Spiritual Schooling 101 I invite you to read these passages from the Analects of Confucius

"Who keeps the old akindle and adds new knowledge is fitted to be a teacher. " (2.11)

Master Kong said: "Learning without thinking is fruitless, thinking without learning is perplexing" (2.15)

Zi-xia said: "To learn extensively and memorize tenaciously, to inquire specifically and think close--humanity lies therein. (19.6)

I think its great to have has much information to share for those who are sincerely interested. You are doing a good deed to let people know that there is help out there for that kind of problem. For those that don't believe that is and will always be their choice as a human being...
I for one appreciate your views on the subject and respect you as a person for sharing your experience it is never easy to tell people but in most cases is very necessary.

Happy Easter Spiritual Schooling 101

Thank you. I guess. Sorry never got into much philosophy.

Doesn'tmean I don't like them. Fell free to send more my way.

Thanks man. I like there's someone out there that understand what I'm doing here. I've had this account for little less then twenty-four hours and I would like to add you as my friend. I hope you accept.

You came here like you had all the answers. guess I was just expecting a little more than speculation . forgive me . I'm sorry i find it hard to believe something on ones word alone . however i do appreciate your efforts. and willingness to share , So welcome to UM .



I see . and they told you this . Kinda makes them seem weak afterall . Ineresting .

Well they are all directly related to you and this thread. Think about them for a bit, they all deal with "The teacher" and education.

I thank you for the complement. But to be honest, I don't even know the half of it. I mainly came here and a few other places to find if anyone had related information or something new for me to know. This is also kind of a learning experience formyself, as well as for the people that accept my words. I also understand the fact that's hard to understand if someone is telling the truth or just spouting out nonsence to try and get attention. But you can trust me on this. I'm not that type of person. If I wanted attention I would just go off and tell the few friends I have about the stuff I do and know. But so far I have only found one friend that I can release this infomation to. As for the fact I might never meet anyone from this website I can tell you'll a few things. But thanks you.

I never thought of myself as a teacher exept for my friend that I've been teaching on how to see and maybe even combat demons. Which he seems to have his own ways on dealing with them. He is special in his own ways and that's why I've given him the chance to study under me. But I even am still learning. So yes I do see what you mean. I also saw how those were related to me before you pointed it out. But thank you anyways.

Hi, I have been reading your posts and must say they are very confusing with an edge of arrogance. First of all, we are all anonymous on here, but we continue to share our stories regarding the paranormal, whether it be spirits, polgergeists, angels or Demonics. You mentioned on your initial post that we read "your forum" of which none of us even knows about obviously. First you tell us we can ask you questions, then in the next post you want to learn something new. Why not just ASK a question, or share your experiences as we all have and get it over with. We dont know who you are, and we all dont know one another, but I can say honestly that we have all seen or been through something, thats what keeps us here..JN

I have to say that your part about why we're here. But even though you don't know me, you're going to have to go on your gut whether or not to trust me. For one I'm not here trying to get kids to come over to my place. As for my learning experience, I'm just hoping that the people here can tell me, because even I don't know what I'm looking for Sorry if I may have made it a little confusing. But I have been typing for a while and might not type things the way I want them to sound. But if you have something to ask I will do all in my power to answer.

By the way. Not saying anything to seem smart. But poltergeists is just a fancy word for evil spirits. Just a heads up.

If you wouldnt mind telling . How do you teach him to fight demons . what methods do you have him use to battle with these supposed demonics . How do you even know for sure he is plagued by them . ? and not some ilness that produces symptoms that some might assume are demonic in nature ? What signs do you look for . what happens to him can you tell us more about him and what he goes through ? .

Have you or he looked into the possibilty that what hes experiencing maybe medical . ie any psychological /neurological tests been done at all ???

SSx

Edited . comp got stuck

Why thank you beautiful sis♥

I think you understand my phiosophies.

Interesting thread otherwise. I like hearing what others believe; whether or not I agree

Take care Jody

ok, first off I am going to agree with just normal, second, PLEASE, PLEASE, take the time to learn how to type correctly, and read back to yourself, how the things you have posted sounds to others.I find your statements confusing, I cant physically be in the same place as you, so I can't go off my gut instinct, and If you can't show me any credible evidence you know what you are talking about then I for one will not take your word as law.However, If you want to learn from one another like It sems most people want to, then would suggest sharing your experiences without you saying you have all the answers to everything.Let me put it this way, If you told me to walk through a room full of bear traps, I might make it through, but at what cost.



Also, PLEASE,PLEASE, FIX your last poast saying "your here trying to get kids to come over to your place".

That makes you sound like a creep, "no offence", but thats what it sounds like.

Sorry about the kids comment. I did go and fix that. I haven't got much sleep in the past days so forgive me.

Awww anytime sis! *Huuuuuuuuugs*

No I sorry I can provide you with any of my medical history. But the scars that I have should be good enough. I don't think I would hurt myself. But anyway he has had his own ways to combat demons. It's a little hard to explane his abilities and even mine for that matter. But demons don't plague people or leave any symptoms. That would be possession which is really not that common. The only reasons why demons would do that is to feed or hide. Even then there wouldn't be many symptoms.

not even a short discription?

Yes if I do spell something wrong or forget to put word somewhere, it's because I haven't been sleeping much. Sorry for that people. I can't give any proof to what you want to know. Really how can I do it. I mean what proof would I need in the first place. A piece of paper with my name on it saying that I'm an expert in the feild of knowledge. Would that help. No! Because who gave me this paper and what says they're an expert. So people. If you want proof. Enlighten me on how to prove myself. And I never said I have all the answers. If you read some of my past posts. You will clearly see that I said I don't even know the half of everything. If you want to know something or tell me something. Do that instead of criticizing me on my type o's and my credibility.

Sorry, I have been on here a year or so, and there are those I "know" and trust about personal issues etc. When it comes to the paranormal there are no secrets here. Poltergeists are known as noisy spirits, and can get nasty, but they are not evil. The only evil entity known to man is the Demonic itself..JN

Spiritual guy, you aren't by any chance a former writer for the tv show "Charmed?" By "not aloud" does that mean "not allowed" or does it mean you are free to whisper?

~~~Cebrakon

Okay, this is going to be a huge post. But anyone that actually reads what I say knows that a majority of my posts are equal to a novel in length.

Alright, you've been warned.




Proof, pertaining to the 'paranormal'/'supernatural' is subjective to the perception of the person viewing said "proof." And because of that, said "proof" becomes almost wholly insufficient for a majority of people. And when one is communicating with various of 'entities' they often do not have the luxury of proof, simply because there is no way to record the conversations to acquire said proof. The only way one could, feasibly, 'prove' to the skeptic mind (which in this case, is my mind) that said communication has taken place, is to have whatever 'entity' you talking to, point you to something that humanity has forgotten existed. Perhaps a relic hidden in the dirt, for example.

Ghosts are Easy to explane. They can't touch anything. No matter what a ghost will never move or hurt anything. Ghost are the after body that animals take when they die. Not everyone becomes a ghost. Sometimes the soul will either go straight to heaven or hell. Depending how how much you sinned in their life.


My seven years of experience in both 'ghost hunting' and my own solo 'paranormal' career clearly contradicts this, in so many ways that it's going to be hard to elaborate, in accurate detail.

"Ghosts" from what I have seen, experienced, and various teams I have been a part of have documented are not 'easy to explain.' And they can manipulate the level that you and I exist on, (Some can touch you, throw things, tip over things, etc) and they move (Not all, but a majority. There are always many, many different circumstances relating to the individual "Ghost" ((god I hate that term)) so some stay stationary, but not many, from what I've seen) from room to room, from person to person. Hell I've seen/heard reports from other people of the same "ghost" following the same family for generations. And from my experience, everyone that dies becomes a "Ghost", it does not necessarily mean they stay in the same place, or stay on the level connected to this one, the "Spirit realm" as so many people call it, (which I don't, but I'm using terms other people are used to associating with.)

I'm not even going to touch the heaven/hell aspect of this, bec-- No, I am. In my personal opinion, (My personal opinion and experience, so before anyone decides to label me with hearsay, it's just an opinion) "Heaven" and "Hell" are purely metaphors to get humanity to live life as a decent person. And that if one were to kick the bucket, and was an affront to all these natural and decent, they are wrapped in guilt and they create their own personal hell (which is created from the emotions that they died from) and they can, literally, loop endlessly in their own personal hell (as a soul) wrought with guilt, pain and discontent, until the soul literally comes warped. And "Heaven" merely being you accepting the life you lead, accepting you are now dead and either moving on, or sticking around to screw with the people you loved in life. In my quest for knowledge and the absolute truth, and in my dealings with the dead (and so many other things) I've never seen any pearly white gates, nor any subterranean caverns full of lava, hell fire and porn stars (The later is a joke, well, it's a joke depending on which religion you follow.)

Evil Spirits are related to ghost in a some what close way. They are the souls of the dead. But they have so many emotions running through them that they take a different form and can move things or even hurt people. But mainly if these things attack they will do it to kill. So some of those deaths or attacks on people that you may hear from where ever. That just may be an evil spirit.

"Good" and "Evil" are archaic terms to (poorly) articulate one's disposition, and thus, is a very poor choice in trying to elaborate a non-corporeal's mental status. Now, I will agree with you that there are those that die will ill emotions and become hostile, aggressive, and perceive every human around them as encroaching on their territory, and will act out on such a (perceived) threat. Since these distraught "ghosts" have enough emotion inside of them, they are more easily able to manipulate the physical level around them (Emotion = energy. The same is said for humanity. You have more energy when you're happy, less energy when you're depressed. And you can usually surpass your own limits, temporarily, when you are angry. The said can be said for those that are dead.) and 'attack' the humans around him/her/it.


She-ra. The only thing that would be doing any draining would be a demon. Nothing else can just take your energy.

That's a big negatory. Many things can take your energy. A plethora of 'entities' as well as 'ghosts' and even other human beings. And they won't just take your energy, they'll sap the energy of batteries along with 'em (Well, not humans, 'ghosts.')

"Demon" is a broad term, once used to describe a great many of 'entities.' The term "Demon" originally meant "Malevolent spirit." In Christianity the word was often associate with "fallen angels." In Greek Mytho's, a demon/daimon was a inferior diety, also a defiled hero. So the term brings forth many images, and is a poor choice of wording, without proper definition (in your eyes) as to what kind of "Demon" you are talking about.

Ghost Ship. You do have a point. Demons just don't pop out of thin air. They are born just like other animals But they have many places that they come from. Most popular would be the Underworld. No it's not a place in the middle of the Earth and is different from Hell. Hell is near it. But the Underworld is just the Plains where Demons live and roam. Believe it or not, it's not that bad there. Grass does grow and there is no hell fire what so ever. But demons do come from other places which are still unknown.

There are a majority of 'entities' that devour energy as substance to keep them alive. And they won't just devour 'human energy', either. But before I go into any details about the 'demonic', what are you basing this on, exactly?




Well, to play the Devils Advocate here (Hey, it fits the theme) what kind of 'proof' are you looking for? It is hard to 'prove' that you know something. Unless you're looking for source material that people have educated themselves on or something. I'm just curious.


I am seeing this trend here recently, and it has me curious. The trend is, "I know a whooooole lotta stuff, but... I can't tell ya where I learned it! Sorry!"
Why can you not elaborate to us how you've learned these things, where you learned it from? For example, my opinions, my "beliefs" come from my experience, and from the career (non-profit career) and path I've chosen to take. Where's your info coming from? It's a valid question.



You cannot do that. You cannot come under the banner of 'educating' those that are willing to listen, but also potentially slander their beliefs and religions. A lot of people choose/follow/believe the Bible and what is detailed in it's pages, you may not agree with it, I may not agree with what is written in it. But if you truly want to educate the masses, you must remain polite and diplomatic, and respect what they believe in. I know this, cause I often willingly 'teach' those that are willing to listen.





This has me intrigued. What 'oath' have you taken? And why did you take it? What is the point of this said oath? I've been doing this an awfully long time, and I've gathered a lot of information and "knowledge" over the years, and I've never made an 'oath' to anything or anyone that I won't tell the people willing to listen what I have to say, or where I've learned this or that. That seems counter productive, if you truly want to reach out to the population, you have to abate their curiosity, you have to give them information and the answers they seek before they're willing to trust your interpretation of the truth/reality.



How can they fight 'demons' when you're giving any specifications of what these 'demons' are. As I've said, the term 'demon' is too vast a word, and can mean anything from a 'bad person' to a 'vampire' to a 'malevolent spirit' to a 'fallen angel' to 'Satyrs' to practically any 'monster' in Greek and Norse Mytho's and anything in between. One cannot say 'demon' and expect everyone to come to the same conclusion. You say 'demon' and I think of 'entities' that like to toy with humanity and use them as cattle. While someone else can think of fire, brimstone, red skin, horns and a servant to "Satan."

-Akaebeel

Hi akabeel .

Maybe proof is the wrong word . . And really you answered it yourself here in the quote below . pretty much what I was asking . . but not as nicely as you . Maybe i should put these easter eggs away and concentrate haha " licking lips "



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LOL WOW That was long, but good job Aka..JN-

It's really just a human term for evil spirit. Not really evil. But just a normal soul that has lost it's way through the human way. Emotion takes over and that energy let's it move or harm things. You don't have to trust me. Just listen and think for yourself.

Well, hey maybe you should get some sleep first.I'm only criticizing your posts, because they are a bit confusing at points, and I'm not sure what you are trying to say exactly.If you say you know what ghosts and demons are, then shouldn't you be able to have some credible evidence to back it up?If you have spiritual knowledge that you are willing to share, then why are you only willing to share bits and peices.Why can you not tell everyone where you get this from,because as far as I know the true spiritual leaders that have been on this earth would not have done that to those they are willing to teach.I do not think, nor am I asking you to prove yourself,because I do not need to believe in what you are saying.I will listen to what you have to say though, because I am respectfull of others.

If you describe your experiences, there may be people who have shared a simular experience, and that right there is a good start to proving what you are talking about.I don't think anyone is asking you to prove yourself with a fancy degree or anything like that,but I think what they are saying is not to be so vauge on the subject you are talking about, and to devulge more information then you seem willing to.Oh, and sorry but it was better for me to say something about that last typo you made, than have people think your a bad person.