who believes in nibiru? can it be real. theres always a chance that it might exist. i know that even if u disagree, theres no way u can prove that it doesnt exist.

who believes in nibiru? can it be real. theres always a chance that it might exist. i know that even if u disagree, theres no way u can prove that it doesnt exist.

If it's supposed to be in our solar system (which the believers say it is) we would have detected it.

Indeed. Claiming otherwise displays a such profound lack of knowledge in physics that it borders on rendering oneself utterly irrelevant...

A body that size passing through the inner solar system would have destroyed the orbits of the inner planets aeons ago. And we would have seen it ages ago.

Of course it is real. Its definatly real.

who believes in nibiru? can it be real. theres always a chance that it might exist. i know that even if u disagree, theres no way u can prove that it doesnt exist.

who believes in nibiru? can it be real. theres always a chance that it might exist. i know that even if u disagree, theres no way u can prove that it doesnt exist.

A body that size passing through the inner solar system would have destroyed the orbits of the inner planets aeons ago.

And we would have seen it ages ago.

who believes in chocolate coke? can it be real. theres always a chance that it might exist. i know that even if u disagree, theres no way u can prove that it doesnt exist.

Bill: In his work with NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Henry had encountered this a number of years ago.

David: Daniel said the same thing. Daniel said that NOAA had discovered that the sun was actually becoming... it was going in the opposite direction of where they expect the stars usually evolve. That it was becoming... I guess it was becoming bluer and brighter, and that they were aware of this interplanetary climate change that they were suppressing it from the people, and part of it was that they just didn’t want to rewrite the textbooks about the way the stars evolve because they found out it was backwards. You know...

Bill: One of the things that Henry told me just a few days ago is that the way the sun works is not the way they teach you at school.

David: Oh, yeah.

Kerry: But he also said there is, there is a brown dwarf. Henry said it was the second sun, and it was a fait accompli... that this was just commonplace knowledge.

Bill: This is what the South Pole Telescope is for. I mean, a lot of people have kind of cottoned on to that by now. Henry stated that to me in bold terms. "Yes," he said, "the South Pole Telescope is there specifically to observe this incoming object. It’s going to be coming in in the southern hemisphere... when it comes in."

who believes in nibiru? can it be real. theres always a chance that it might exist. i know that even if u disagree, theres no way u can prove that it doesnt exist.

OK I'm gonna play devils advocate here.

What size is this?

and what size body would you need to disrupt the planets?

and can you explain why it would disrupt the planets orbits.

I'll give you that. and leave this thread to rest.

America is now spending huge sums to deploy the massive The South Pole Telescope (SPT) in Antarctica. The final installation will be the size of a mini-mall and will require a massive C-130 airlift effort to transport pre-assembled modules and a large staff to the most desolate, inhospitable and inaccessible region of the world. Why? Because Planet X / Nibiru was first sighted in 1983 and this discovery spurred the USA to build the SPT — humanity's new Planet X tracker.

A key person in the revealing content of this article is a former US intelligence officer by the name of John Maynard. These days, he is best known for his involvement with Dr. Steven Greer’s Disclosure Project. With regards to this article, his explanation of how our government first began tracking Planet X / Nibiru in 1983 is now being corroborated with the deployment of the South Pole Telescope (SPT) in Antarctica.

John finally told me it had been imaged by NASA’s IRAS infrared sensing satellite in 1983 and that the mechanical failure story was used as a cover story. As he explained it to me, the IRAS data started pouring in, and that’s when they found Planet X. During one sweep, it stood out like a sore thumb; worse yet, it is approaching from the South.

This was especially bad news because the vast majority of the world’s most capable observatories are north of the Equator, and the decision was made to devote the remaining lifespan of the IRAS spacecraft to the observation of this one object.

This site has some interesting things to say.....re. the South Pole telescope....
and Nibiru!

Here is the site......SOUTH POLE TELESCOPE NEW PLANET X TRACKER

Beginning in November 2006, a group of scientists, technicians, and engineers will build the largest telescope ever deployed at the South Pole. The South Pole Telescope will be an important part of the International Polar Year activities. Once it's completed in February 2007, the telescope will give astronomers a powerful new tool to explore dark energy, the mysterious force that may be causing the universe to accelerate.

I'm gob-smacked that this Nibiru business MIGHT turn out to be true!!!

You hear about it...over the years....you think....is it true? is it there? has anyone seen it?
would the public be told if they did see it?.......

Brown dwarf? Second sun? Nibiru? Nothing? Something?

If it was real then we should see alterations in Eris` orbit and Pluto`s orbit, kuiper belt object would be blocked for long periods of time (which we do not see), and we would see it reflect infrared radiation like Pluto does, it would be easy to see with reflected energy.

Sorry for intruding on your question to Cradle, but he hasn't really been up to standard's lately regarding debunking (ahem )...



Good question; I don't think anybody can really give you a good answer...I think mostly it ranges from 4 times the size of Earth to slightly smaller than Jupiter.



Another good question, I guess that depends on what kind of disruption we are looking at. But anything the size of 4xEarth and upwards would destroy the orbits if it was flying from the outer skirts of the solar system inwards to pass close by the sun..



Gravity.



Oh bugger, I kept it alive

Cheers,
Badeskov

Edited for typo.

Obviously. nothing to do with Nibiru whatsoever. Then someone will counter that of course the Government would not put Nibiru on the web page, but rather some odd phenomena like dark energy.

Oh, and by the way, Anarctica would decidedly be the wrong place to put a telescope looking for a planet like Nibiru...

Washington Post
Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered, a front page story
31-Dec-1983

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite. So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through. "All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology said in an interview.

The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous planet, as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 billion miles. While that may seem like a great distance in earthbound terms, it is a stone's throw in cosmological terms, so close in fact that it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto. "If it is really that close, it would be a part of our solar system," said Dr. James Houck of Cornell University's Center for Radio Physics and Space Research and a member of the IRAS science team. "If it is that close, I don't know how the world's planetary scientists would even begin to classify it."

The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time. "This suggests it's not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we've observed and a comet would probably have moved," Houck said. "A planet may have moved if it were as close as 50 billion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have moved in six months time.

[Martell also discussed the 'Nemesis' theory which suggests that a Planet X orbits a second sun (a failed star or Brown dwarf)

The ancient Sumerians knew about Planet X and described it as a "red glowing planet," whose inhabitants came to Earth to mine gold to repair their dwindling atmosphere,

I'm not sure if it's 'Nibiru' or not.....but how YOU can be SO sure it ISN'T is odd.

Well if it was a 'failed star or Brown Dwarf' they were orbiting.......you can see how they

could be in a spot of bother.....

What size is this? and what size body would you need to disrupt the planets? and can you explain why
it would disrupt the planets orbits.

Cheers Badeskov
Now before I get jumped on i'm not in the believers camp here and I try to keep an open mind, now I realise that gravity would have a part to play if a largish planet entered our solar system, but would it have sufficient gravitational pull to rip the other planets from their orbits? that's assuming that the planet gets close enough, what if it had a different orbit and swung round the sun at a 90 degree angle to the rest of the planets?...................................................... Why am I carrying this on??????????????????? my head hurts.

With all due respect, bee, but if 'Nibiru' orbited a failed star or Brown Dwarf it would hardly be a planet conducive for life to begin on, let alone evolve into baby-munching, super-lizards. As for the theory that these lizards could live on Nibiru, does ectothermy have any bearing on this (a failed star or Brown Dwarf isn't the most luminous/radiative body in the universe)?

Granted, these super-lizards could live in nuclear-radiated shelters now, but how would they have evolved to super-lizard-dom in the first place? If they evolved here on Earth then why are we here?

Cheers Badeskov
Now before I get jumped on i'm not in the believers camp here and I try to keep an open mind, now I realise that gravity would have a part to play if a largish planet entered our solar system, but would it have sufficient gravitational pull to rip the other planets from their orbits? that's assuming that the planet gets close enough, what if it had a different orbit and swung round the sun at a 90 degree angle to the rest of the planets?...................................................... Why am I carrying this on??????????????????? my head hurts.

who believes in nibiru? can it be real. theres always a chance that it might exist. i know that even if u disagree, theres no way u can prove that it doesn't exist.

I'm gob-smacked that this Nibiru business MIGHT turn out to be true!!!

Well I've heard that the planet is meant to be as big as Jupiter, if not bigger. Jupiter dominates it's neighborhood with it's immense gravity. If a body anywhere near that size came close to Earth even once (and it probably would many times in billions of years of planetary orbits) it would have tugged Earth off it's orbit. A system with a planet such as Nibiru would likely have no inner planets.

There isn't really anything wrong with being a believer, it's just Nibiru as it's described does not and can not exist. I mean, reptiles mining earth for gold dust for their atmosphere? Gold is one of the heaviest naturally occuring elements, how is it meant to stay up there?

I'm not sure if it's 'Nibiru' or not.....but how YOU can be SO sure it ISN'T is odd.

And, yes....if it's a major secret...no-one's going to advertise it's POSSIBLE existence.
But the South Pole Telescope probably has a whole lot of things they want to look at...
and 'dark matter' is going to be one of them.

why's that? Where do you suggest they should put it?

PS. I'm not in the 'believers camp'......either......I'm in the 'don't dismiss ANYTHING lightly camp'....and the
'don't be side-tracked by serial de-bunkers....camp'

Follow The Money
When you follow the money, you see that our governments are taking this threat seriously. They’re spending immense sums to understand and cope with this threat. They are doing the right things, and at the right time. When you see the facts for yourself, the truth of it becomes unavoidable.

Dotting around the internet re. this subject....there's lots of information....I read somewhere
but can't find the link at the mo.....that a theory is that our sun has a twin.....that most (all?)
solar systems are binary.....that the 'incoming' planet/comet cluster/brown dwarf could be
orbiting the 'second sun' and periodically crossing our part of the solar system.

Or 'switching' the sun that it orbits.....due to different gravitational pulls/distance of orbit....?
Not sure about this one....what-ever.....all this is taking place a LONG way away...but can
nevertheless (it is said) have dramatic affects on the planets in our solar system and on our own dear Earth!
Apparently 'things' ARE happening to our solar system.....for example.....global warming is said
to be taking place not just here....but on all the other planets.....?

This site HERE has some
things to say.....I presume you guys from America will know this person....Marshall Masters.

He says....

As for switching orbits, it's impossible. An object with enough mass to 'steal' Earth from the suns orbit would have to be a very massive star, which we'd see eons before it even came anywhere near us.

what is the brown dwarf,brown star ??
Can anyone give me some information??

Is there any official statement about Nibiru??

what is the brown dwarf,brown star ??
Can anyone give me some information??

Is there any official statement about Nibiru??

who believes in chocolate coke? can it be real. theres always a chance that it might exist. i know that even if u disagree, theres no way u can prove that it doesnt exist.

...Can we just taken as given that I make some comment along the lines of "I'd be gob-smacked at stuff, too, if..."



Old Master Sitchin suggests it's four to five times bigger than Jupiter. Bigger. Than Jupiter.



Let's get our, uhh.... "facts" straight here. If we're talking about Nibiru, then we're specifically talking about the abode of the Monkey-Raping gods the Annunaki. Sitchin never suggests they're reptiles. They live on a magic planet, free of the (literally, in their case) crushing physical constraints of gravity or the need for heat (and consequently, of water, air or food) that travels around the universe? galaxy? solar system? on its own, ignoring the delicate balance of the other celestial bodies in its wake. Every 36,000 years.

Cradle is quite right, though, that these people did come specifically to Earth to mine our gold. To save their atmosphere, which -- contrary to everything we know about physics -- didn't freeze out in the cold wastes of intra/inter/galactic/universal space. And the gold is going to be in a magic dust form that never sinks and this (with no further elucidation from Sitchin) is going to save their planet.

Nope, that all sounds completely reasonable to me. Magic, super-humans, all from a trained economist.

--Jaylemurph

Forgive me, I know Stichen likes to change his facts around alot. When I read about him about 5 or so years ago he claimed the last coming of Nibiru was in 1AD and it was the star of bethlehem, now I hear that it's next coming is due in 2012(to cash in on the hype no doubt). If the orbit is still right(3600 years), then he was either off the first time by 16 centuries or he's simply making it all up.

Of course, there are so many more questions raised than answered. I've heard that it's larger than Jupiter, I've also heard that it's larger than Jupiter and a solid planet rather than a gas giant. If such a massive planet WAS formed in the solar system, why didn't it fix itself in a fairly consistent orbit like all the other planets? The bodies with the really eliptical orbits are generally tiny dwarf planets and planetoids like Pluto and Sedna. It couldn't have formed too far out, because alot of the matter that formed planets was at the distance that the gas giants are at, and if it did somehow manage to form past the orbit of Neptune, wouldnt there be alot less Kuiper Belt objects?

I hate to use the word impossible, but there are SO many things wrong with the nibiru stories that we can pretty much rule it out.

You're quite right about Sitchin changing his story on a regular basis: his current prediction for Nibiru's return has been upped to c.2065, so it's conveniently past any reasonable point in his lifetime now. He is pretty consistent about it being a solid planet 4 to 5 times the size of Jupiter; it was (he says) originally formed as the fifth planet from the sun, but was knocked out of its orbit.

Why Don't We See It?

If we accept that NASA knows about Planet X but will not tell us
because of national security issues, what about the amateur
astronomers and institutions of other countries who are not
restricted in that way? Why are they not reporting Planet X? The
problem, according to McCanney, is that PX's lack of brightness and
position make it hard to see. Its current location makes it visible
only in the Spring, rather than all year round.


But even then you have to be on the right place on earth because of
PX's skewed elliptical orbit. McCanney claims that it actually
approaches our solar system from below the ecliptic (plane of the
planets' orbits) meaning the best viewing is from the Southern
Hemisphere which is mostly water and less densely populated. McCanney
comments on this in writing about the above Harrington abstract:
In 1991 Robert S. Harrington, head of the Naval Observatory,
Washington, D.C. wrote an internal Abstract which culminated over a
decade of theoretical and observational astronomy with a team of
experts. He was in charge of the NASA directed search for a large
planet at the edge of our solar system that had been perturbing the
orbits of the outer planets. Many previous attempts had been made,
all leading to incorrect results ... but this time Harrington was
certain that he had found the location of the large rogue planet.



Part of the discovery of Planet X was based on the fact the outer
large planets Uranus and Neptune were being pulled DOWN in their
orbits. No other effect could cause such a change in the orbits of
these planets except the existence of a very large previously
undiscovered celestial object which had to exist down and in the
direction of the unexplainable motions of these outer giant planets.
Harrington knew that it had to be BIG and it had to be
down below the plane of the planets (the ecliptic). He also knew that
since it had not been there before that it must be a new body
entering the solar system.

It also makes the claim that it can be seen next to or behind the sun, but if that were true we'd be able to see it easily for 3 of the 4 seasons.

who believes in nibiru? can it be real. theres always a chance that it might exist. i know that even if u disagree, theres no way u can prove that it doesnt exist.