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Startraveler
Right now an imperfect but comparatively bold (for the U.S. Congress) bill, the Climate Security Act, is winding its way through the Senate, likely to come up for debate in the full chamber sometime in the next month or two. The bill would set up a national cap-and-trade system; emissions would be capped at 2005 levels and then lowered at specified intervals.

From The Hill Blog:
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Bush Administration Quietly Acknowledges Climate Security Act is Doable
March 21st, 2008

You may not have caught the economic analysis of the Lieberman-Warner Climate Security Act issued by the Environmental Protection Agency last Friday. The administration quietly released the report just before the weekend, but the results speak loudly, showing we can both tackle global warming and grow America’s economy.

The EPA analyzed the bipartisan global warming bill that is headed for a Senate debate in the coming months. According to EPA’s analysis, the U.S. economy would grow by 80 percent through the year 2030 after enactment of the Climate Security Act. That is less than one-half of one percent difference from projected growth without a bill.

It’s important to note that even these modest results don’t tell the whole story. The analysis fails to measure the important economic boom expected from the bill’s aggressive investment in clean energy jobs. In 2006, the renewable energy and energy efficiency industries generated 8 million jobs in America and nearly one trillion dollars in revenue. That’s a good start, but it is time for America to unleash the full economic power of a clean energy future.

It’s not surprising that the Bush administration took steps to disguise the fundamental conclusion that the Lieberman-Warner climate plan is doable and protects our economy. As E&E News reported on Tuesday, “James Connaughton, the chairman of the White House Council on Environmental Quality, cited EPA’s worst-case modeling projections for the bill from Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and John Warner (R-Va.).”

Those “worst-case” scenarios include the unbelievable assumptions that:

  • American business will essentially stop innovating when it comes to low-carbon technologies, even though climate legislation would create an unprecedented incentive for clean and efficient energy technologies.
  • Improvements in energy efficiency will slow to a trickle.
  • An imaginary natural gas cartel, similar to OPEC, will spring up out of nowhere.


It’s a bit startling to see how pessimistic Mr. Connaughton has become in selectively choosing the scenarios to highlight. Does the administration really believe that American industry is unable to innovate and find ways to protect our environment while growing our economy?

The National Wildlife Federation believes that legislation with the basic framework of the Climate Security Act’s cap-and-trade system will serve as the opening of a new frontier. America’s innovators will seize on the opportunity to produce clean, efficient technologies. They will do it not just because it’s the right thing to do, but because it makes good business sense once a federal cap-and-trade program is in place. We look forward to the upcoming Senate floor debate on the Lieberman-Warner bill, and we will work to make the bill even stronger - for our environment and our future clean energy economy.
Startraveler
Whoops, this was intended for the World Events and Current Affairs forum. Would a kindly moderator please move it for me?
Waspie_Dwarf
QUOTE (Startraveler @ Mar 24 2008, 06:23 AM) *
Would a kindly moderator please move it for me?

With pleasure thumbsup.gif
questionmark
opps...I thought the administration said there was no climate change... did I get something wrong here?

ships-cat
"the industry generated 8 million jobs and 1 trillion in revenue... "

Wow.. really ? How did they do that ? Where these really new jobs, or merely transferring jobs from one industry to another ? (as a crude example: sacking 8 million workers in an incandescent lightbulb factory, in order to employ another 8 million in an "energy-saving floursecent bulb" factory, hardly constitutes meaningfull generation of wealth.. or indeed, of industrial growth).

I'd love to hear move about the mechanisms behind this "important economic boom".

Still, if the report is accurate, then it seems very encouraging.

Meow Purr.

questionmark
QUOTE (ships-cat @ Mar 24 2008, 07:14 PM) *
I'd love to hear move about the mechanisms behind this "important economic boom".

Meow Purr.


The boom train has already left... in direction Denmark (wind power plant world's leading manufacturer) and Germany (solar panel world's leading manufacturer, GTF world's leading manufacturer, recycling plant world's leading manufacturer). They are just trying to get on the last wagon.

That is what happens if you ignore problems for too long.....


Aztec Warrior
QUOTE (questionmark @ Mar 24 2008, 11:20 AM) *
The boom train has already left... in direction Denmark (wind power plant world's leading manufacturer) and Germany (solar panel world's leading manufacturer, GTF world's leading manufacturer, recycling plant world's leading manufacturer). They are just trying to get on the last wagon.

That is what happens if you ignore problems for too long.....

Germany is leading the world in the PV market, but not in the actually manufacturing of solar panels. That is held by China.
questionmark
QUOTE (Aztec Warrior @ Mar 24 2008, 08:50 PM) *
Germany is leading the world in the PV market, but not in the actually manufacturing of solar panels. That is held by China.


You are right... I was looking at the units sold by brands. Stand corrected.

ED...even though this seeems to indicate otherwise:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7181866.stm
Startraveler
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Wow.. really ? How did they do that ? Where these really new jobs, or merely transferring jobs from one industry to another ? (as a crude example: sacking 8 million workers in an incandescent lightbulb factory, in order to employ another 8 million in an "energy-saving floursecent bulb" factory, hardly constitutes meaningfull generation of wealth.. or indeed, of industrial growth).

I'd love to hear move about the mechanisms behind this "important economic boom".


I believe the number is taken from a report written by Roger Bezdek, an energy economist at the American Solar Energy Society. You can read his conclusions at the link.
AztecInca
A similiar report showing the economic benefits of tacckling "climate change" and green-house gas emissions was recently released in Australia yet the Rudd government after signing the kyoto-protocol has ignored the issue and report alike. In their defence they are awaiting another report on a carbon-trading scheme that they intend to implement by the end of 2010, however their lack of action or even discussion on environmental issue's is disturbing.
Clocker
The renewable energy sector is growing at an insane pace at the moment, and the amount of jobs created annually is quite large really. I read somewhere that the sector doubles in size annually, which means lots of jobs...then again, we might be in for another meltdown a la IT boom. Should still be on the plus side in the long run though. Looking at the growing investing in sustainable businesses, the increasing amount of jobs in environmental departments (Nokia for example had only 1 person 10 years ago, now they have over 100 working in their environmental department) and sustainability related jobs in general etc., I'd say the economic benefits from this eco-boom are visible even to the average joe. That's not to say there aren't any economic disadvantages though...but I'm betting the pros outweigh the cons in this one.
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