Roj47
Mar 25 2008, 08:31 AM
Come 2012 there are 12 months that something can happen that believers will latch onto...
Mount St Helens - 1980
Indonesian Earthquake - 2004
Hurricane Katrina - 2005
Credit Crunch - 2007-8
Should any of these virtually normal events have occurred in 2012 instead, and everyone will harp on the Mayans were correct.
Face it. There is a high chance something normal will happen, but it will be blown completely out of proportion due to being 2012.
Blueguardian
Mar 25 2008, 10:21 AM
I like your 2012 theory the best,kinda gives us hope, though at the amount of human life and animal that has already been lost..
belekor
Mar 25 2008, 11:35 AM
DEAR GOD NO!!! The London Olympics will be the end of everything! They must be stopped!
wolfknight
Mar 25 2008, 12:23 PM
I think it is all hype. Let the Chicken Littles run screaming into the streets. Let in invest in money in shelters and lots of food. After y2k the food banks over flowed with a extra food people had stored up. Plus it is does happen we are all screwed anyway.
Dan-Dare
Mar 25 2008, 12:42 PM
sora_1
Mar 25 2008, 03:01 PM
QUOTE (Dan-Dare @ Mar 25 2008, 12:42 PM)

Interesting theory!
thanks!
Cradle of Fish
Mar 25 2008, 03:17 PM
QUOTE (belekor @ Mar 25 2008, 12:35 PM)

DEAR GOD NO!!! The London Olympics will be the end of everything! They must be stopped!

The soccer hooligans will start a riot at one of the games which will spill over into a world war.
adkchamp
Mar 25 2008, 10:17 PM
and what if the sun disappears?
then you can go post how alive we all are....
don't discredit 2012 and we also got 4 more years to discover more so sit tight...
questionmark
Mar 25 2008, 10:20 PM
QUOTE (adkchamp @ Mar 26 2008, 12:17 AM)

and what if the sun disappears?
then you can go post how alive we all are....
don't discredit 2012 and we also got 4 more years to discover more so sit tight...
oh no... 4 more years of mumbo-jumbo predictions.....
Tom2943
Mar 25 2008, 10:30 PM
I think the worst thing that will happen on 2012 is a rising panic on New Year's Eve, 2011. Maybe a few suicides from those who have firm belief in our impending doom. To be honest, if the end of the world begins on exactly January 1st, 2012 - let's all go out with a hangover, eh?
questionmark
Mar 25 2008, 10:33 PM
QUOTE (Tom2943 @ Mar 26 2008, 12:30 AM)

let's all go out with a hangover, eh?
I am in...end of the woild or not ...
Tom2943
Mar 25 2008, 10:36 PM
QUOTE (questionmark @ Mar 25 2008, 10:33 PM)

I am in...end of the woild or not ...

Sorted. So, if on 2012, the world ends, non-believers will have more than a headache to deal with. If not, anyone who claimed we were doomed buys a round.
Teej
Mar 25 2008, 11:30 PM
QUOTE (Tom2943 @ Mar 25 2008, 06:30 PM)

To be honest, if the end of the world begins on exactly January 1st, 2012 - let's all go out with a hangover, eh?
Sounds like a plan!
From what my friends babble about, I thought the world was supposed to actually end in 2012. Anything short of that and I'm calling 2012-believers liars, regardless of whether a disaster occurs or not.
wolfiegirl
Mar 26 2008, 01:57 PM
QUOTE (Roj47 @ Mar 25 2008, 09:31 AM)

Come 2012 there are 12 months that something can happen that believers will latch onto...
Mount St Helens - 1980
Indonesian Earthquake - 2004
Hurricane Katrina - 2005
Credit Crunch - 2007-8
Should any of these virtually normal events have occurred in 2012 instead, and everyone will harp on the Mayans were correct.
Face it. There is a high chance something normal will happen, but it will be blown completely out of proportion due to being 2012.
You forgot about Yellowstone, or a Asteroid/comet, or maybe several volcanic activations at once, they are as powerful as any bomb we could make, and would answer a lot of the events foretold to take place . It could even produce enough power to move the planet off its axis, fulfilling a lot of the worlds different prophecies,by many different cultures. any large world disaster would turn economics up side down and things would have to change. my fav. is the polls change and electricity never works again .what do you think we would be like without it?how many things in our day to day life depend on it, even water that we cant live with out . think about it.
bogcreeper
Mar 26 2008, 02:01 PM
It would have to be really, really bad to get a 2012 remarke from me. Maybe if 1/3 of the population of earth is erassed. Or maybe the worlds economy crashes.
questionmark
Mar 26 2008, 02:04 PM
QUOTE (bogcreeper @ Mar 26 2008, 04:01 PM)

It would have to be really, really bad to get a 2012 remarke from me. Maybe if 1/3 of the population of earth is erassed. Or maybe the worlds economy crashes.
yep...and
maybe somebody breaks his finger picking his nose.
Roj47
Mar 26 2008, 03:44 PM
QUOTE (Roj47 @ Mar 25 2008, 08:31 AM)

Mount St Helens - 1980
Indonesian Earthquake - 2004
Hurricane Katrina - 2005
Credit Crunch - 2007-8
Should any of these virtually normal events have occurred in 2012 instead, and everyone will harp on the Mayans were correct.
QUOTE (wolfiegirl @ Mar 26 2008, 01:57 PM)

You forgot about Yellowstone, or a Asteroid/comet, or maybe several volcanic activations at once,
I did not forget about them. I have bolded the section in my original post.
I do not class what you reckon I forgot as virtually normal.
Bear's Quest
Mar 26 2008, 04:13 PM
Thats when the new release of the very popular alien series book "How To Serve Man -Vol.#4"
Don't forget the tidal waves and lands submerged into the sea and new lands will rise up from the sea.
AllP0werToSlaves
Mar 27 2008, 03:57 PM
I agree. Any asteroid, volcano or earthquake will quickly be blow out of proportion due to the year.
Emma_Acid_88
Mar 27 2008, 05:15 PM
QUOTE (AllP0werToSlaves @ Mar 27 2008, 03:57 PM)

I agree. Any asteroid, volcano or earthquake will quickly be blow out of proportion due to the year.
But only by idiots.
Raven1971
Mar 27 2008, 07:49 PM
I'm new to this forum, so I hope you don't mind my jumping in and adding my two cents. First off, the Maya 2012 date is merely one interpretation of calculations based on the thirty-odd percent of Mayan texts/glyphs that survived Spanish vandalism; as such, it's quite probable that the Maya authors themselves wouldn't recognise their own prophecy, were they here today. Second off, even if the date PROVES correct, viewing it in an apocryphal sense is quite etic in nature; the end of this Fourth Age could prove largely unnoticeable in our own context - something insignificant to any BUT the Maya. As there are no definitive descriptions of what this grand "Age Transition" would entail, it's best to not focus on it, unless you are a Maya priest who understands what it entails.
Finally, didn't we go through all this with Y2K? Didn't that prove a joke?
I do agree that any little hiccup will likely be blown way out of proportion. I don't plan on heading for a bomb shelter unless I see a Maya priest running for cover, half-empty ritualistic bottle of Coca-Cola clutched firmly in his hand...
Cheers much for letting me chime in.
Raven
questionmark
Mar 27 2008, 07:58 PM
QUOTE (Raven1971 @ Mar 27 2008, 09:49 PM)

I'm new to this forum, so I hope you don't mind my jumping in and adding my two cents. First off, the Maya 2012 date is merely one interpretation of calculations based on the thirty-odd percent of Mayan texts/glyphs that survived Spanish vandalism; as such, it's quite probable that the Maya authors themselves wouldn't recognise their own prophecy, were they here today. Second off, even if the date PROVES correct, viewing it in an apocryphal sense is quite etic in nature; the end of this Fourth Age could prove largely unnoticeable in our own context - something insignificant to any BUT the Maya. As there are no definitive descriptions of what this grand "Age Transition" would entail, it's best to not focus on it, unless you are a Maya priest who understands what it entails.
Finally, didn't we go through all this with Y2K? Didn't that prove a joke?
I do agree that any little hiccup will likely be blown way out of proportion. I don't plan on heading for a bomb shelter unless I see a Maya priest running for cover, half-empty ritualistic bottle of Coca-Cola clutched firmly in his hand...
Cheers much for letting me chime in.
Raven
Please let us never stop you from giving your opinion here...and welcome!
As to the content of your post.. it is one of the more sensible we had here for a while.
Harte
Mar 27 2008, 08:28 PM
QUOTE (questionmark @ Mar 27 2008, 02:58 PM)

Please let us never stop you from giving your opinion here...and welcome!
As to the content of your post.. it is one of the more sensible we had here for a while.
Except for the part where you called it a "prophecy."
This "prophecy" is made every year by hallmark:
"The world (apparently) will end on December 31 of this year!!!"
And, oh, yeah. The 2012 date is pretty darn firm. It's based on observations of Venus (as I recall) and is laid out completely in the calendar that survives intact in one of the surviving codices - the Paris Codex.
Re the Mayan "prophecy" for 2012 - can we hear from the experts or is that asking too much?
QUOTE
The Maya long count measured the time elapsed since creation of the present world. Classical Maya creation accounts suggest that this world began after dissolution of a previous world that had lasted 13 baktuns. The baktun is 20 katuns in length. The tzolk'in date at the beginning of the long count was 4 Ahaw. The count will reach a total of 13 baktuns again on a katun 4 Ahaw end date, in 2012 AD (according to he GMT correlation between the Maya and European calendars).
No Maya text actually tells us explicitly what the Maya believed would transpire in 2012 AD, but the the end of the cycle was no doubt regarded as a highly significant time of transition between epochs. According to the Books of Chilam Balam, Kulkulcan will return in katun 4 Ahaw . Prophecy of the return of this deity, transformed in the Books into predictions of the coming of Christianity, may have originally been inspired in part by the coming end of the long count cycle.
My emphasis.
SourceThere
is no Mayan prophecy about 2012. You can stop claiming there is now. Please. I beg you. (Not
you in particular QM. I mean, well, you know what I mean....)
Harte
krillansavillan
Mar 27 2008, 08:35 PM
agreed. there will b jumpers
Camozotz
Mar 27 2008, 11:28 PM
Ahh, my favorite prediction. I think its real, but who knows? We'll have to see.
Wreck7
Mar 28 2008, 12:34 AM
My guess would be with all the increasing posts on this topic and the over all hoopla about 2012 the internet will explode. The vast majority of people die immediately while some will stare endlessly at their blank screens until they starve to death. The only ones to survive will be the people that horded old decks of cards and monopoly games.
questionmark
Mar 28 2008, 12:40 AM
QUOTE (Wreck7 @ Mar 28 2008, 02:34 AM)

My guess would be with all the increasing posts on this topic and the over all hoopla about 2012 the internet will explode. The vast majority of people die immediately while some will stare endlessly at their blank screens until they starve to death. The only ones to survive will be the people that horded old decks of cards and monopoly games.
Now here is a usable theory ....
Raven1971
Mar 28 2008, 01:52 AM
I use the word "prophecy", as it is exactly that to the etic observer; a prediction, based on a belief system. Of course the Maya themselves (ancient or modern) would not now nor would have then consider it as such; to them it is merely the end of Baktun 13 (which would correspond to the final Baktun of the failed "Third World"), based on mathematical calculations (and therefore to the emic observer hardly a prophecy - thus your observation). However, as there are very few emic observers, and quite a few "I hope the world ends in 2012 so I can say 'I-told-you-so' while laughing" types out there (etic, in other words), "prophecy" could be considered an appropriate term. Notwithstanding, as the term offends your eyes I shall attempt henceforth to refrain from using it...
A second point: No surviving Maya text explicitly says what would occur at the end of the 13th Baktun; it is highly probable that the Spanish, in all their infinite wisdom, destroyed a text that could have outlined what would transpire. Of course, I tend to think the human world will end with a long whimper rather than a bang...
Cheers for the welcome!
Raven
therion24
Mar 28 2008, 02:00 AM
I AGREE WITH YOU TOO RAVEN
smw502
Mar 28 2008, 02:26 AM
I'll tell you what I think is going to happen right now and it might sound crazy but what the hell, that it is why this website is here. But here goes I think in 2012 there will be an alien invaision involving goverments from all over the world.
Emma_Acid_88
Mar 28 2008, 10:15 AM
QUOTE (smw502 @ Mar 28 2008, 02:26 AM)

I'll tell you what I think is going to happen right now and it might sound crazy but what the hell, that it is why this website is here. But here goes I think in 2012 there will be an alien invaision involving goverments from all over the world.
Based on......?
todd_verhoef
Mar 28 2008, 10:23 AM
I guess no one knows for sure but i certainly hope its nothing dramatic
... i hate those doom impending sited, least i might be bothered to prepare orrrrr i may just sleep in
itsnotoutthere
Mar 28 2008, 11:22 AM
I predict that at the end of 2012 all the people that posted on here that something disasterous would happen will all mysteriously disappear. Or alternatively say ' I was only joking' & quickly change the subject. Spooky.
Genny
Mar 28 2008, 11:45 AM
QUOTE (questionmark @ Mar 25 2008, 06:20 PM)

oh no... 4 more years of mumbo-jumbo predictions.....
The official end date of the Mayan calendar isn't until December 21st, 2012. So there is plenty of time during 2012 for tragic things to happen.
I read a lot of prophecies around the internet, and one I read recently said that World War III will begin during the Olympics. That could be this year, or it could be 2012. I'm sorry, I don't remember where I read that, or I would post a link to it. I'm pretty sure it was a vision seen by a person during a near death experience.
Raven1971
Mar 28 2008, 01:05 PM
QUOTE (Genny @ Mar 28 2008, 07:45 AM)

The official end date of the Mayan calendar isn't until December 21st, 2012. So there is plenty of time during 2012 for tragic things to happen.
I read a lot of prophecies around the internet, and one I read recently said that World War III will begin during the Olympics. That could be this year, or it could be 2012. I'm sorry, I don't remember where I read that, or I would post a link to it. I'm pretty sure it was a vision seen by a person during a near death experience.
Then again, it might be 2080, or later ... what constitutes the end of a Maya "world" or the beginning of another is impossible to define, as no written texts exist that describe what the end of the Fourth World means. It could well be that it could be something large, disastrous, like a Third World War; then again, it could be something internal, within one's mind, such as the abandonment of spirituality in favour of scientific fact - the loss of the soul, in other words. It could be something completely different, and for outside observers, entirely unrecognisable. We don't know volumes about the Maya thanks to the Spanish. On 21.12.2012, however, don't hold your breath ... the only likely fireworks will be ten days later, on Copacabana Beach.
Raven
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
Apr 2 2008, 01:07 AM
Its not only the Mayan, but also the Egyptian calander as well I believe that held the same end date, Dec 21, 2012. Notradomas, as well as Cayce preditct the same. It is the same date that the Asteroid Tuttleswift, I believe the name of it is, is to come so close to earth, that it poses a threat as a direct hit....mind you, so close can be considered a thousand miles in space miles....The size of Tuttleswift is apx 15 miles in diameter. Same size as the one that supposedly did the dino's in... Guess we have to wait and see.
Meantime, pour me another beer! Shot and a beer!
284dan
Apr 2 2008, 01:26 AM
Only thing coming in 2012 is a socialist America.
Emma_Acid_88
Apr 2 2008, 10:39 AM
QUOTE (284dan @ Apr 2 2008, 01:26 AM)

Only thing coming in 2012 is a socialist America.
or a lot of very disappointed socialists.
REBEL
Apr 2 2008, 10:55 AM
QUOTE (Emma_Acid_88 @ Mar 28 2008, 07:45 PM)

Based on......?
Based on this...
Shush_rules
Apr 2 2008, 11:44 AM
QUOTE (smw502 @ Mar 28 2008, 12:26 PM)

I'll tell you what I think is going to happen right now and it might sound crazy but what the hell, that it is why this website is here. But here goes I think in 2012 there will be an alien invaision involving goverments from all over the world.
There always has to be at least one crazy post
QUOTE (Genny @ Mar 28 2008, 09:45 PM)

The official end date of the Mayan calendar isn't until December 21st, 2012. So there is plenty of time during 2012 for tragic things to happen.
I read a lot of prophecies around the internet, and one I read recently said that World War III will begin during the Olympics. That could be this year, or it could be 2012. I'm sorry, I don't remember where I read that, or I would post a link to it. I'm pretty sure it was a vision seen by a person during a near death experience.
If u don't remember the link or where u read it , u might aswell not say it, since no one is going to believe you.
I'd want to have a link if i was putting forward a theory about a third world war based on a vision seen by someone during a near death experience
Emma_Acid_88
Apr 2 2008, 12:44 PM
QUOTE (Shush_rules @ Apr 2 2008, 12:44 PM)

If u don't remember the link or where u read it , u might aswell not say it, since no one is going to believe you.
I'd want to have a link if i was putting forward a theory about a third world war based on a vision seen by someone during a near death experience
^ this
Moro
Apr 2 2008, 02:09 PM
QUOTE (WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT @ Apr 1 2008, 09:07 PM)

Its not only the Mayan, but also the Egyptian calander as well I believe that held the same end date, Dec 21, 2012. Notradomas, as well as Cayce preditct the same. It is the same date that the Asteroid Tuttleswift, I believe the name of it is, is to come so close to earth, that it poses a threat as a direct hit....mind you, so close can be considered a thousand miles in space miles....The size of Tuttleswift is apx 15 miles in diameter. Same size as the one that supposedly did the dino's in... Guess we have to wait and see.
Meantime, pour me another beer! Shot and a beer!
You are talking about Comet Swift-Tuttle! It was independently discovered by Lewis Swift on July 16, 1862 and by
Horace Parnell Tuttle on July 19, 1862. It is the parent body of the Perseid meteor shower.
It has no chance of hitting our planet in 2012. It does have a chance of hitting our moon
or our planet around the year 2126, but further analysis shows that it may not. Results
are still pending.
Regards,
Tom
Essan
Apr 2 2008, 02:19 PM
Raven1971
Apr 2 2008, 04:06 PM
QUOTE (Essan @ Apr 2 2008, 11:19 AM)

Don't worry - the Communist blue gnomes (better known as "Smurfs") will stop the pink bunnies...
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
Apr 2 2008, 09:17 PM
Yes, Tom... That was the name. Thanks! Steph
jaylemurph
Apr 2 2008, 09:27 PM
QUOTE (WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT @ Apr 1 2008, 08:07 PM)

Its not only the Mayan, but also the Egyptian calander as well I believe that held the same end date, Dec 21, 2012. Notradomas, as well as Cayce preditct the same. It is the same date that the Asteroid Tuttleswift, I believe the name of it is, is to come so close to earth, that it poses a threat as a direct hit....mind you, so close can be considered a thousand miles in space miles....The size of Tuttleswift is apx 15 miles in diameter. Same size as the one that supposedly did the dino's in... Guess we have to wait and see.
Meantime, pour me another beer! Shot and a beer!
How exactly does the Egyptian calendar "end"? It's like most other Western calendars, in that it's cyclical. Since it's only 365 days long, events travel around within it, but it doesn't have a "beginning" or an "end" -- although far be it from me to detract from whatever you might have read at www.tehendofdayz!!1!.com.
QUOTE (Emma_Acid_88 @ Apr 2 2008, 05:39 AM)

or a lot of very disappointed socialists.
They have a lot of experience being that way in the US since the 1890s.
--Jaylemurph
psycho619
Apr 3 2008, 08:53 AM
who acres if the world ends, gun shots and deseases could not take me out the world had to end for me too be killed. I am all powerful. any ways the world could not end all at once it would take time, so we would probably suffer. sounds like fun can't wait.
Roj47
Apr 3 2008, 09:30 AM
QUOTE (Essan @ Apr 2 2008, 02:19 PM)

I know that 20th December 2012 will see an invasion of 6ft pink bunnies
Sorry to rain on your parade, but December is way way too early for Easter.
Isensee
Apr 3 2008, 10:59 AM
QUOTE (Roj47 @ Apr 3 2008, 12:30 PM)

Sorry to rain on your parade, but December is way way too early for Easter.
Pink elves? Now that would be a scary end of the world.
I've read about this 2012 now and all that I see here, is that some people throughout the history have eaten mushrooms and hallucinated the end of the world. Bleh. Volcanos have erupted before, there have been hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, not to mention economic crashes and pink bunnies. Wait, no bunnies.
The only thing that would show some signs of trouble for me, was a hurricane, a flood, earthquake and a volcano erupting excactly at the same time. Supervolcano and superstorm? Ok, I need to stop watching end of the world movies.
As someone said in this thread already, I too am quite certain that instead of a big boom, the world will die for a looooong time.
Ise
Orcseeker
Apr 3 2008, 11:46 AM
QUOTE (Blueguardian @ Mar 25 2008, 08:21 PM)

I like your 2012 theory the best,kinda gives us hope, though at the amount of human life and animal that has already been lost..
Maybe just animal and plant life?
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