Ok, as you people know, I've been doing alot of crap to prove my "abilities"...A while back, I promised that I would do ym own independent test on my psi wheel, in my house, to see what(Other than TK) makes it move...Like the conditions that cause Convection, or air currents, etc...

So, here are those results...


I stood at the wall at the end of my room, my desk where the psi wheel sits is on the opposite wall...I started jumping around, dancing, pretty much flailing around like an idiot...It didn't move...

I walked the length of that wall and back, nothing...I ran, nothing...

I stood next to my wheel, and just sat there..It didnt spin, I left my room, and Came back in after a few minutes, no spinning....

I typed on my computer, which my wheel is on the same desk as my comp, and it didn't move...I walked in front of my desk and the whele still didn't move...Running made it move, but it was hit with a huge gust of wind, so It would be obvious if it was moving from my camera man in the vids...

I moved my arms, and moved a little, like I did in my vid, and it didn't spin....The only other thing that made it spin, was putting my hands around it, like cupping it sort of...


If people want, I could take the measurements of everything, so people can be sure of what I'm saying...

But yea...Thats the results...I'll do more testing if people think it's nessesary...

And how do you interpret these results?

I thought you were going to cover it with a bowl with the water seal as we discussed and make it move "left, right, left, left, right", film it and sow us that?

What happened?

here's an advice:use something other than the psiwheel

Your sig is hilarious and sad as hell all at the same time...

Was he cornered or what?


edited to add response to quoted text: That's what I thought too

I am highly disappointed.

There was no showing of any kind of test as there said there would be.


This is what I'm talking about! Where is the test that was agreed on?


I will have to say from here on out, that the pin/psiwheel is not a significant mechanism to try and prove psi.,
as it is to easily manipulated by other sources.



Regards,
Tom

Are you guys saying that he's lying?

that's what i've been trying to say, but nobody listens to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one is calling him a liar! Just insufficient.

I believe what they're saying is that he didn't do what he said he was going to do....

I suppose that would technically mean he lied, but I don't think that's exactly the point being made.

No...This test, was so I would know whta caused the psi wheel to move, other than TK...So I dont think it's TK, when it was an outside source...Thats what this test was for...I will make the vid soon...How bout this upcoming Tuesday? One week sounds good enough...

Well the reason that people use psiwheels is because they are much lighter and sensetive than a pen or a book, that way you can pick up much more miniscule results. Yes, there are more variables involved, but because they're light, the same reason that they're so effective, so there's a bit of a snag that you could hit either way with testing.

Tuesday 1st April. Well it's a good day but I can't help but notice that is April fool's day too. It really makes no difference to me personally but maybe it would to many others?

Imagine if you truly made a good video that proved TK but it came out on April Fool's? It's not going to help the cause put it that way...

Oh oops, I didnt know it was April Fools...How bout Wednesday then?

How about when you can actually show us some psi-ability? I won't hold my breath...

dont be too quick to judge, how bout you make us a psi wheel test

Just a hint to you heart before you wander too far off in the wrong direction.

For one to change and manipulate the "real" world,
one must learn to observe and understand the world as a whole.
Only then can the higher understanding bring you connections between thought and "reality" (if thats what you want to call it).

I think I posted this link before.. but it is fun... and seems to work... it


http://www.psiarcade.com/healing/



from this site... http://www.noetic.org/research/psi.cfm

I don't know why there is such a fuss on proving things. I don't really like all this so many people pushing one single person. Just because he said he could does not mean he should.

I'm not pushing him. If he doesn't want to do it that's fine. I have never pursued anybody in debate that wanted to give up. I'd be dissapointed but that's not anybody else's problem.

I'm not one to hassle people after they make it clear they are no longer interested. I don't believe we've reached that stage with Heart.

I speak only for myself here.

He said he would.

Whether he does or not is up to him, but it is reasonable to compare someone's performance to their promises.

I'm eager to see what you do in the video on Wednesday, but I'm not expecting anything convincing at all. But still interested to see.

Well what you need to remember, guys, is that for someone Heart's age, someone who's still in school, it's a wonder that he's bothering to take the time to do these tests at all.

I have already said that I really appreciate what Heart is doing.

As have I and, just as others have said, I would not press heart to prove anything if he expressed that he was no longer interested to.

Why would I? I don't make claims of psychic powers. He who claims should provide the proof I think. And there are already DETAILED posts on how to do a "psi-wheel" test that would make fakery very difficult. Look it up.

And I did. And even left the room, and the "psi" wheel was still turning. And I don't have pshycotelekises powers. Can give you link if you really want, can't be arsed to look it up now.

But, our thermastats arent the same man...Niether are our bodies tempratures...Our air vents arent in the same place...I would think the circumstances that cause the wheel to move without using TK would vary from person to person...Thats why i have that test thread...So people know what causes MY wheel to move without TK

In addition to the glass bowl upturned on a (awesome looking) pizza tray with water in it.. part of the test..... I would say that it's not a good idea to have a desk lamp blasting down on the wheel.. the heat generated by thoes things could very easily create convestion currents enough to move the "psi-wheel"

anywho.. i'm eagerly waiting the new vid hope it comes soon!

Just so you guys know, my wheel is set up 24/7, and I have NEVER seen it spin, unless I try and make it spin..It's right next to my comp, witht he lamp on, and it doesnt spin, even when I'm on the comp typing and moving...Unless I amke it move usin TK...

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You just proved the skeptics point.

It was heat.

I win.

*giggles*

I never said it wasn't heat..I even agreed that heat could be the cause...But, the whole purpose of the test, was to see what made it spin, without TK...And apparently, only cupping my hands around it moved it...I did not do that in my vid, and I tested the same exact position I stood in for the vid, and it didn't spin...So, something else must of been spinning it...EhhGad! Maybe it was Telekinesis!

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't There is no need to jump to the conclusion that it is Tk.
That is until all other possibilities are ruled out. But, there could be many different things to cause
a pinwheel to move! So, proving it as being Tk is going to be very hard to do.




Regards,
Tom

ummm.... re: you didn't use the heat of your hands to move it in your vid.... just like to point out... YOU HAD A LAMP BLASTING DIRECTLY DOWN ON THE PSI-WHEEL!!! you know how lamps produce a lot of heat?

C'mon.. what happened to common sense? I can certainly understand people frustrations with your claims.. it's great that you're posting vids.. but your seemingly innocent ignorance of even the most basic experimental controls is very.. well.. frustrating...

The situation you've constructed is something like this..

1. You claim that you can use your mind to move a delicate object..
2. People counter your claims by siting that factors such as convection currents from heat or tiny air movements could move it..
3. You agree that these factors could affect the psi-wheel and mention that the heat from cupping your hands near it could move it..
4. You post video of psi wheel moving with nothing covering it to counteract air movement factors and with a lamp in close proximity blasting heat directly onto it**
5. You seem bemused as to why people are trashing your video even though the experimental flaws are obvious (not just a little obvious but blatantly-screaming-in-your-face obvious)

It would seem that there are only 2 possibilities to explain this..
1. You have a very very limited understanding about experimental controls, taking even the most easily explained phenomenon as a supernatural event.
2. You're purposely trolling these forums trying to get a rise out of the skeptics knowing full well that you have no psi abilities.



Many factors? wind, vibrations, heat, trickery... 4 factors.. rule these out with SIMPLE measures and you're just proven psi-abilities... with proper experimental technique it's VERY easy to demonstrate telekinesis.. in-fact with proper experimental technique you could win $1,000,000 from the James Randi foundation & get a nobel prize for discovering a new realm of physics...

The gains to humanity of discovering such a phenomenon is limitless... yet somehow no-one is able to do it.. (i wonder why)

I HAD THE LAMP ON WHEN I DID THE TEST! All the conditions were left exactly the same as in the vid! I did not change a thing!

Well, you have to consider the fact that your whole body (not just your hands) provides heat, and you leaned right onto the pin wheel in the other video you made. How is the covered pin wheel test going by the way?

Breath  is a good point BTW, and I consider it the main reason for using a glass bowl. Wonder why that wasn't mentioned yet.

It has been mentioned. Look, many moons ago, another member posted a huge detailed set of information on how to do a "psi" test that was actually scientific in nature, and very hard to fake.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t&p=1941645

Look there for ideas.

Why not? He is getting a buch of attention. Thats what he wants. He never shows anything real and still gets the attention.

How's that test we discussed coming along, Heart?

I wore a bandanna in the vid...And, I'm not doing the vids anymore...I dont like doin these vids, and, I'm not doin test anymore...I have a lot of other stuff goin on in my life right now, and this just isnt that important..I'll still do the vids and test, but I will NO LONGER MAKE DEADLINES, OR AGREE TO DO ANY TESTING...Just so you all know...

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If you have alot of stuff going on in your life then deal with it and stop cluttering up my forums with you're nonsense. If you have ability it will take at most, 20 minutes out of your weekend to prove it. If you don't and you're just messing with us then thats weeks and months you've wasted..

I can make claims, without provin em...This is a discussion forum...FOR DISCUSSION...It's not a "PROVE EVERYTHING BY VIDEO FORUM" I have better things to do, then make vids and do test..So yea, have fun

Oh yea, April fools day tommororw! April fools day is my christmas, lol, CANT WAIT!!

Oh well....

Thats how disscusion works. You make a claim, we debate whether is real or not. You can end all if it by making 1 sensible video.

Oh and you better hold up you're end tommrow, make me proud of you you dirty lil skeptic.

"LLOOK AT MA MAJICK,
PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW!"

What magick? You stupid psi kiddie...Omg...I'M GONNA CALL MYSELF ERIC RAVEN THE SKETPIC TOMORROW!!! Lol...

Well, why dont you make a flat piece of paper rotate inside a bowl?

It is really because it doesn't work with the controls in place isn't it Heart?

I will no longer be wasting my time working with you.

See you around other parts of the forum. Thanks for you time so far but I've now lost faith and interest in your "abilities".

Exactly.


Thankyou.