It seems co-incidental that the Mayan calendar AND the Hindu calendar AND the Great Pyramid's secret numerical timeline ends at the exact same time. These places ARE A CONTINENT AWAY PEOPLE. Nostadamus predicted something will happen(in 2012?); a rock from space will hit us. The Bible Code says something similar(but I believe it's a bunch of nonsense, the same thing applies for Moby Dick, which predicted an assasination. AND the second larges near earth object(asteroid, meteor, comet) is expected to pass earth in 2012.

Co-incidence?

Maybe. The Chinese I Ching says something I don't know. The Greeks have something to do with it, I heard. And, our beloved Sun is going to be in an equinox WHILE it is passing through the center of our galaxy. Yup.............................

The thing is, when has there been something like this before? You'll tell me about Y2K, 666, and all that. Let's review them.

Y2K was a present day thing. It couldn't have happened a hundred years ago. 666 was something big in the year 1666, and that was only predicted b Christians. EVERY religion has their say. Also, 1666 was our creation. We named it that. The Muslim calendar was about 700-800 at that time. So?

How many times in history have the predictions of 5 different ancient civilizations in 5 different places, is it coincidence? How many times in history has there been so many global and galactic events, and at the time when there's hysteria about the world ending? The point is, this is different from all those other times.

Go to http://www.survive2012.com, then go to the 2012 wiki from there(I couldn't write down the link to the 2012 wiki, too long and complex)

The ancient Mayan calendar will end on 2012. But people are forgetting Nostradamus,The Chinese oracle of the I Ching, Hopi Indians predictions, The Web Bot Project, Albert Einstein predictions, and many more born before our time say that the world might end in 2012. If not end it will be a year you will never forget if you live through what is to come. Believe what you want now, but when the time comes you will believe..

Not too mention all the talk about what's going on in the world with having people chipped very soon & all of this crazy mess.

North American Union. PEOPLE BEING CHIPPED.. INTERESTING READ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo

Even the thing with getting chipped in the clip above ties in with the bible and revelations which is freaky.. Mark of the beast 666.. and We all know that Revelations in the bible means we're close to the end times.. This clip below check it out..

The 2012 prophecy of Judgment Day & antichrist mark exposed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G-MGxO9vls

Revelation 20:12 - And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.

Americans being thrown & tortured in concentration camps... Check the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFNAEYQkD3s

Bee's dying out
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april...07beesdying.htm

^^^
If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man," said Albert Einstein.

Galactic Alignment, Floyd, and The Hyperdimensional Bees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1o_P-u1yXA



Funny how all of these events will be taking place soon prior to all this 2012 mess. A lot of people keep ignoring that the Mayans weren't the only ones that predicted something to happen in 2012. What's freakier is the reality of everyone being chipped soon and if you don't have a chip implanted in your right arm or forehead, you won't be able to buy or sell anything. There's too many crazy things happening at the time & it's a little hard for me to ignore...

I mean people have predicted the end of the world before but when you have so many different sources claiming something is happening soon.. Maybe it's time to do some research and look. It might not be the end of the world.. maybe the world as we know it.

LOL I already know people will laugh at this 2012 stuff but I think you need to research about the other civilizations besides the Mayans that predicted the same thing.. It's a little creepy now. I'm also scared so many people are taking something like this so lightly in fact when there's plenty of things that back this 2012 thing up.

Call me paranoid.. I don't care.. just live the life as best as you can! We'll see what happens if anything happens in 2012. Just thought I would share this extra info.

Yep, they made fabulating socially acceptable.

i agree with many of your ideas....it is hard to overlook the signs or to ignore the possible implications....the chip is the most revealing...the Bible predicted this 2000 years ago along with many other predictions...but now the question is what do we do with this information?...does it change your beliefs?....does it make a case for faith in God?....how could some desert nomads come up with the story of the chip?....i spent a lot of time trying to disprove the Bible and instead i found that it was more in line with life than not...

one other thought....don't concern yourself too much with the end of the world...this is one of those endless spirals that will consume your thoughts and take you away from the real issue....when you life ends it makes no difference if it is the end of the world or not...your life is over in this world...the decisions you make here before you die will determine what happens to you in the next life....please give that a lot of thought....

randomhit10

Yeah, and that's also the year that the cow will jump over the moon, the cat will be let out of the bag, the sheet will hit the fan, the rubber will meet the road and the nitty will get gritty.

Or something like that.

Oh yeah. Also in 2012 monkeys will fly out of my butt.

Anybody ever actually seen the "Hindu calendar??"

The Greeks have nothing to do with it, there is no "secret numerical timeline" in the Great Pyramid, Nostradamus has never had a single prediction come true and there is no 2012 asteroid that is going to hit us.

But you got it right about the Bible Code - it is a bunch of nonsense. Co-incidence?

Wattaloadacrap.

Harte

And exactly the same thing works for 2012, except you clearly /want/ to believe that's a special date and are willing to shut down the logical part of your brain (which you've proved works) to accommodate yourself. That distinguishes you from a lot of nutjobs who can't use their logic centres at all.

--Jaylemurph

I can't even imagin how many threads their are going to be about this before 2012

Won't be over after either...after 2012 we have 2022 and after.... and the same arguments used in trying to scare the less brainy for the year 2000, 2002,2007 and 2012 will be used again. I can sing them in my sleep.....

I'd say that survival is a very basic and logical part of the brain/being....and as 2012 is
brewing up.....with information building on the subject.....it would be a very illogical person
that would dismiss it out of hand.....Considering all the info and different points of view....seems a
sensible course of action to me.....

My biggest problem with this 2012 thing is if someone can predict the future, that means that the future is already set in stone and we can do nothing that would alter the future. The problem is the future hasnt happened yet so how could it be set in stone. It is illogical to think that anyone could see something that hasn't happened yet.

But what if it is connected to something that happens to our solar system every few thousand years...
this wouldn't be 'looking into the future' it would be considering what MIGHT have happened in the past
and what might happen again....?

I dunno. Every single prediction for The End of Civilisation As We Know It* has been wrong -- from the Sumerians till now. Seems to me trusting a prediction with a 0.0% accuracy rate is pretty illogical.

And it's worth keeping in mind there is no single piece of information we possess that indicates Teh End of Dayz in 2012 that hasn't been manipulated or lied about in some fashion, almost always with the aim of parting suckers from cash.

For you, bee, I can sell you my book telling all about the truth for just USD 5! That's a savings of almost $10!

--Jaylemurph

The 'suckers' and 'cash' arguement is getting as thin as the thinnest thin thing in a world of thin things.



If I thought you had anything useful for me to CONSIDER I would gladly buy your non-existant book.

But we don't need books now, like we used to....although I am still very much into books.....we have
the wonderful FREE information on the internet.

There may have been.....other scares of SOMETHING....going to happen....not necessarily the end
of days....as you so dramatically put it.....but I think this 2012 thing COULD be a different kettle of
fish.....I was not concerned in the slightest by the 'new millenium' scares. This (2012) COULD be something
to look into deeper.

That is my own assessment.......you make your own.....and good luck to you!

I don't believe any person or people have or had the ability to know such things, like when the world is gonna end or something very big will happen so far ahead of time. Sorry, but I just don't believe in such nonsense.

ROFL!!!

The problem with the 2012 prophecies is how people interpret them. Such as the Mayan carving that depicts the sun and moon spewing forth water and an old crone dumping out a pot of water. One could assume that this means the world will end in a flood, BUT nearly all of the prophecies say the world is going to end in fire (this time at least). Now, if we take a more spiritual look at the carving we get a very different picture about what's going to happen. Around the year 2150 the Earth enters the Age of Aquarius, which is the next astrological sign in the Earth's procession through the zodiac. And what is the symbol of Aquarius? A person pouring water out of a pot/jug. But what does that mean? The water symbolizes knowledge being poured forth, which could mean that in 2012 we will become more spiritually aware of our impact on Earth and on each other. Aquarius is also known as a "cleansing" symbol which means that the Earth would be cleansing itself of negative influences. The fact that all of these different cultures point to approximately the same date makes it very likely that in 2012 there will be a major event in human history that will make us more aware of our connection to our planet and the awful things we are doing to her and the environment. As for the Nostradamous prophecies, they can be seen in the same way; negatively or positively. Now, this doesn't mean we should live recklessly because we only have 4 years left. We should keep trying to help people be aware of the negative things that are happening to our planet and that we need to take action NOW before it's too late. Recently scientists have discovered that Antarctic ice is melting faster than they first thought, and a chunk of ice 7 times as big as Manhatten broke off of the main ice sheet. This may be part of the prophecy of 2012. Couldn't the water also symbolize the fact that if we chose to do nothing for our planet we will all drown? I'm no prophet, but this is what I've been able to make of the prophecies.

Well, what if this event in the future is unavoidable? Like, for instance, if someone was able to predict a meteor striking the Earth in 2012, or a massive earthquake/tsunami, we wouldn't be able to do anything to stop it. Sure, we could move people, but that area would still be destroyed.

The difference is that it would be a meteor we can see...follow...track and calculate its impact. It would not be the same arguments that have been put forth by the less than informed since 998 A.D.

Sure you'd be able to see it, but we currently have NO effective way to destroy such an object. Sure we could hit it with a nuclear missile...and then everyone would DIE from the radioactive material that would rain down from said missile. And even if you were able to calculate the impact, even a small meteor could change the climate of the entire Earth, not to mention it could destroy large cities. It could also create huge, inescapable tsunamis that would wipe out entire cities before they had time to evacuate.

That is a beautiful and thoughtful assessment of what 2012 MIGHT mean.

What-ever happens....I think that it's important to keep positive about life in general....the spiritual
aspects of dying will remain important whether we die of old age, disease, accident or global catastrophe.

Yes, we should remain positive about 2012, because if we think something bad is going to happen in 2012 something probably will. It will become a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. This just reinforces the belief that we should live life to the fullest every day because we never know when the next meteor will hit Earth.

Ok, let me put it this way... if I read in a history book that it was predicted in 998 that a meteor would hit earth in the year 1000 and it did not happen, then I read that somebody predicted it for 1007, and it did not happen, then the same meteor was to hit in 1844..and did not happen... then again 1964... did not happen, then in 1974... did not happen, them in 2000... did not happen, then in 2007.... did not happen then in 2012... my question is how stupid does one have to be to believe it in 2008 given that it always comes from the same source. The most likely outcome: did not happen.

But who predicted the meteor would hit Earth? The difference here is we have several sources from all around the world that are pointing to a relatively similar point in time. If only one group of people believed that there was going to be a major disaster in 2012, I'm sure no one would pay much attention to it. BUT here we have a volatile situation on Earth (global warming, war, HIV/AIDS, bird flu, etc.) AND we have many ancient cultures that point to this year. Yes, I realize that I should not put all of my faith in a prophecy, but I'm also not saying that a meteor will definately hit the Earth. All I'm saying is there is going to be a major event, either good or bad, that will happen some time in 2012 which will change the was people think of the world and themselves.

Ha.

If so many people around the globe are predicting this, everyone around the earth will basically be paranoid, right? Who knows, us humans and our natural reactions to fear and terror, we could be the reason for the "apocalypse".
One question though(I'm too lazy to google it). Do the predictions say ALL life will be destroyed? Or is there a chance some could still survive after 2012.

So, we're basically screwed in the year 2012?
Too bad, that's my graduating year.

That's exactly what I said before. If everyone on the planet thinks something is going to happen in 2012 then something will. The predictions differ based on your interpretation of them and the culture they're from, so there's no way to say for sure. If something catastrophic happens it will probably most likely kill off most of the humans (really we're no match for the elements/nature without our technology) but if you take the spiritual enlightenment prophecy, then it seems that everyone would learn to exist in harmony. So no, we're not "screwed" in 2012 at all.

You could not accept that the "prediction" of the end of the world was but chicken-littleling and got the meteor into the game.

Bird flu is not new...it caused the big epidemic in the early 1900s...the world is still here.

Venereal diseases are not new, from the 1700s until the early 1900s about 2/6 of the worlds population were infected with syphilis, the tripper or other (in its time no less deadly) diseases, about 1/12 with more than one of them. The world did not end.

Global warming is a definite problem for some humans and unless we stop it ourselves it will stop once the greater part of the worlds population has died from it. Like after the plague epidemic after the middle ages (it triggered the so-called small ice age almost immediately after it killed the majority of humans. The world did not end either.

The only reason I see to further this madness is either because:

A] somebody wants to sell his book about the end of the world
B] somebody feels bad about himself and wants to kick off with the desire to take the rest of humanity with him/her to satisfy the inferiority complex
C] somebody tries to evade his/her responsibilities and the end of the world gives the perfect excuse not to fulfill it.

Right.....but it doesn't matter if a meteor hits or everything goes CRAZY come 2012....because
dying might be a brilliant experience.....if we believe it is....then we could make it brilliant!

I get into the politics of all this.....and the physical POSSIBILITIES of all this.....because that's the kind of
personality that I have.....but another side of me is also into the life-after-death and spititual aspects of
it all........If nothing dramatic happens come 2012......that will be good! If I end up on some high ground with
the dirty water splashing at my feet.....thinking oh s***....I hope I can make something good of that.

I do wonder if the human race is in for one almighty CULL. But even if that happens....perhaps it will be
a good thing......somehow. Physical life can be hard spiritually and emotionally.....maybe it won't be such
a big deal to 'move on'.

Sorry....this is turning into a bit of an ramble.....but I am facinated about what all this 2012 stuff MEANS
and why it is becoming such a HUGE subject to consider......

Yes, perhaps the spiritual growth bit could be referring to physical death, but if that's the case then it won't be a bad thing in the end. Whatever happens, happens

We're not screwed.....what-ever happens....we're not screwed.

Welcome to the forum.. ....hope this 2012 stuff isn't worrying you?

I dunno about that, the planet is littered with the ruins of past civilisations. I think the thing most people don't understand about the 2012 predictions (at least the mayan one) is that it doesn't necessarily mean the extinction of mankind. Its just the end of a cycle, after which a new age begins. To my understanding (which is modest) of the Mayan calander, this period in time is characterized by catastrophic events.

I am not one to put alot of stock in ancient predictions or belief systems. However, considering the state of affairs in the world today, I'll be happy to see 2013 roll around.

Pfft. Just because you don't like human nature, it ain't gonna change or be less true. I'd be willing to bet even if 2012 non-sense occurred, that on 22 December 2012, some poor sucker's gonna pay two coconuts and a banana to buy an inked parchment telling all about the forthcoming End of Civilisation in 2014. And I'll be more than happy to take your fruit, bee.



True; I think your assessment of what the /Mayans/ predict is fair and intelligent. However, that and what most Oh NOS!!1! 2012 Z TTLY Teh End of DayzORS are very different things. They typically predict the end of Civilisation with a Big C (not a particular civilisation). However, mankind wouldn't be mankind without a hefty percentage of itself running around bepissing themselves that the world would end tomorrow (or without another percentage taking home coconuts and bananas from that other percentage).

--Jaylemurph

It is all about perception. To us, looking from the inside, it is the future. To one looking from the outside, it may be the predictable outcome of a series of events.

I dont think you are unjustly paranoid; just more perceptive than most. The Bible tells the story of the Hebrews willfully going to Egypt for a better life and ended up being enslaved (held captive). The United States was formed with the idea of a better life and now we are being held financially captive.

so? we are going to die....big whoop! there is always a sickness or death or somehting going to kill us....oh well.....wedie...we die...

The Bible may say that, but there's not a scrap of historical evidence to suggest it's anything other than a folk tale.

--Jaylemurph

I like the way you think. I would guess your an Edgar Cayce fan. If not, check his life story out. You won't be dissapointed.

Even though these things can't be proven 100% is still interesting to consider. However I'm not going to lose sleep if something bad happen to us in 2012, I mean we human beings can't stay here on earth forever. Just like the dinosaurs and various other species, something may lead to our extinction. We're not super human beings where we can stay forever.

I know many may be shocked at me saying this but killing off humans would be good for this earth. All we do is treat it like crap, not to mention most of us treat our own species like dirt. We're an ignorant race and we can't even establish world peace, we can't even put aside our differences and love one another.. What a sorry piece of crap we are to be honest. We failed this earth as a whole, not treating one another with respect and treating mother nature horribly. The ultimate payback from us treating mother nature horribly would be to kill us all from some natural disaster. I know this sounds depressing but maybe it'll make you stop and think about how selfish and greedy we really are.

On the bright sight, 2012 doesn't have to mean death. I'm hoping it's some spiritual enlightenment because to be honest.. this world is a mess and we need to change & it might have to take a god or something massive for us to get all of our acts together.Personally I don't know what to believe anymore. Life is one big mystery! I'm just on a quest to find out what life on earth is really about and how we came to be and how our ancestors knew so much.

I was curious for the responses. I think something weird is going to happen soon, just don't know what it is. It's weird.. I wonder if in some twisted way, all of this 2012 hype will ultimately lead us all into doing something on that date anyway to make it actually come true lol.

Thanks for the instant pick-me-up Harte.....

You have bought a pig in a poke - to use an old fashioned phrase.

I challenge anyone on this site to find a single cataclysmic event predicted for the year 2012 other than predictions made by modern hucksters trying to squeeze a buck out of the ignorant.

I don't care if that reason is "wearing thin." Fact is fact, regardless of how many times it's stated.

The Mayans never predicted the end of the world for 2012, as far as we know.

The "Hindu calendar" makes no such prediction.

Nobody in the ancient world ever made a prediction about 2012 or any time near 2012.

Please don't assume a claim is valid based on (apparently) the avatar the poster is using, his grammar, or his signature.

I mean, there's no substance in these posts so, I have to think it must be the avatar, the grammar or the sig that has convinced the "believers" here.

Like I said, pig in a poke.



You are quite welcome.

Harte

What did you expect from a society driven mostly by greed and characterized by most of its citizens not using their brain? This has nothing to do with prophecies.

There are two thing that will definitely never work, capitalism with uninterested citizens, and socialism with interested citizens.

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What did you expect from a society driven mostly by greed and characterized by most of its citizens not using their brain? This has nothing to do with prophecies. quote]

That is the prophetic message! It is the nature of man to be greedy, destructive to self, others and his environment. The Bible gives the knowledge of this and the prophecies predict outcomes. The ultimate prophecy is that if this knowledge is not gained and the warning heeded, history WILL repeat itself.

Really, did I miss that part or is it a new interpretation (which is, as always, adapted to the circumstances)?

Quick question -

What day does the Mayan calendar start? Relative to our calendar?

June 3 503 BC?

Hmm?

HN

You shouldn't have bothered. Its utter rubbish.

you must have missed it.

Oh well but I did share it anyway LOL... I don't get why you come onto my threads if you think my topics are rubbish. It doesn't make any sense lol.

Thats irrelevent. Every subject you've covered has been posted here before, and myself and others have proven why it isn't true.

Do you realise how tedious it gets reading the same stuff over and over again? I'm a member of this board cause I'm interested in this sort of stuff, but it needs to be grounded in some sort of reality or its just pointless.

They are trying the Dubya trick, who keeps repeating that he is the best prez of all times... until it becomes true....

Or until he's dead and can't be proven wrong.

Still wondering when the Mayan calendar starts...

How do I know it ends in 2012 if I don't know when it starts?

Hn

From wiki

Long Count Proleptic & Gregorian Calendar Date

0.0.0.0.0 August 11, 3114 BCE
1.0.0.0.0 November 13, 2720 BCE
2.0.0.0.0 February 16, 2325 BCE
3.0.0.0.0 May 21, 1931 BCE
4.0.0.0.0 August 23, 1537 BCE
5.0.0.0.0 November 26, 1143 BCE
6.0.0.0.0 February 28, 748 BCE
7.0.0.0.0 June 3, 354 BCE
8.0.0.0.0 September 5, 41 CE
9.0.0.0.0 December 9, 435
10.0.0.0.0 March 13, 830
11.0.0.0.0 June 15, 1224
12.0.0.0.0 September 18, 1618
13.0.0.0.0 December 21, 2012