For many years people have pondered the existence of demons. So I ask you, do you think demons exist and if so what do you think they are like? Are they spiritual beings, or are they physical beings? Are they just one species or are they a vast race with many different species?

Yes, demons exist as evil spiritual beings.

They do exist, and are entities or beings, however they are not considered to be spirits, as they never lived. I would consider them on the spiritual level, yes. I refer to one as an "IT" because we cannot see them, yet when they enter your life, you sure know it is around..JN

if one cannot see them cus they are in a spiritual form then how is it so many people claim to see them? Is it possible they could take on a physical form when they please or do they need help? see, these are the questions I want opinions on. I want people to think outside the box on this one ya know?

I have never met anyone that has "seen" a Demonic entity, yet many claimed to. What they can do, is disguise themselves, as multiples, or human spirits. So lets say you lost a loved one and were grieving, then a week or so later, you see them, or smell a certain fragrance of their's, then you grieve more and talk to them. Next thing there is activity in your home and of course you believe it is your loved one, who btw would never haunt you. Or perhaps you sense or see the spirit of a baby, or a lost child. Now, all this behavior on behalf of the Demonic is to get your attention, so of course it does. Then you might take some photos or EVP's, well soon you are in for alot more than you bargained for. During my haunting, I never saw it except symbolically. In otherwords they create illusions, and use our fears (mine is of spiders) so I would wake up with an enormous black spider web hovering over me, and big black furry spiders. Now, with that said, I would leap out of bed, shake, cry and never go back to sleep. Once I got sleep deprived it got stronger. I would see big black masses or (orbs) in my bedroom, and a few times it covered the entire room so I couldnt see anything, and thought I was blind and again jumped out of bed for the night. I saw birds, bats, ugly disgusting insects, the cob webs and then I heard ITS voice. So that is how they normally operate. They go in gradually until they have your full attention and you acknowledge it, every single time you show any sign of fear, it grows stronger. The only time I saw something, was in the middle of the night of couse, got up to go to ladies room, and to my left was this massive BLACK TALL grotesque thing beside me. I turned my head and prayed..It was over 7' tall. Other than that they normally dont show themselves, not to PI teams, priests or demonologists..Thats outside the box, but what happened inside my home. Hope that helps with your questions..JN

Not sure if this is inside the box or out, however evil spirits also known as demons are sent by God in these passages.

Judges 9:23: "Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem..." 1 Kings 22:23: "...behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets..." 1 Samuel 16:14: "But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him." (KJV) 1 Sam 18:10: "And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul..." 1 Sam 19:9: "And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul..."
This is a site you might want to look at.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_demo1.htm#attr

and another,http://www.crivoice.org/demonsot.html

which shows that there is no Hebrew word for "demon" so all of the passages in the Bible that say "demon" were thrown in there, by whoever was translating it at the time.

In ancient times, the word "daemon" or "demon" was used interchangeably, to mean minor deities, not necessarily good or bad.
The earliest use appears to have been in the word "daemon" of Socrates, which was his "attendant, ministering, or indwelling spirit; genius". The good demons were called Eudemons and the bad demons were called Cacodemons. It was a short time later that the term demon came to refer to "an evil spirit" because of it's usage in various translations of the Bible. The Greek form of "demon" was used to translate Hebrew words for "lords, idols" and "hairy ones (satyrs)" ,there is no Hebrew word for demon. This is how the evil connotation arose.

By the late 16th century, the general supernatural meaning was being distinguished with the spelling daemon, while the evil meaning remained with demon. Today daemon can mean "a supernatural being of a nature intermediate between that of gods and men" or "a guiding spirit". While the spelling "demon" was taken over by the church to mean evil spirit, even though it was mistranslated in the Bible. The word demon seems to be mostly found in the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
The Bible also has many scriptures that say that God is in complete control over Satan and the demons,(evil spirits) so I'm sure that they wouldn't affect anyone that God didn't want affected.
Even in the book of Job, Satan had to play by God's rules.
Hope this helped some and be sure to read the links, lots of great info there.

Demons exist and they are evil fallen angels. More powerful than spirits.

'Demons', that being evil entities who some say are inimical to life, do not exist. Demons, being the way we might externalise/personalise our internal suffering in the form of sensory hallucination, seizure etc are the source for the 'evil spirits' of literary lore.

We create our own demons from our fears and suffering, although sometimes physical trauma (usually to specific areas of the brain) is involved. People who believe demons are entities in their own right only exacerbate their suffering through a belief of lack of control over their own fears (it is easy to abrogate control over your inner torments by externalising these into being the actions of some fantastical 'other'). The same mechanism by which addicts and those with suicidal/depressive tendencies can be successfully treated (in the psychological sense) is effective for those whose inner suffering is realised through their belief they are 'demon-haunted'. This is to instill this sense of self-control over their own circumstance. Once the person realises THEY are in control of their own fears, their own circumstance, the belief in being demon-haunted is usually relegated to what it really is, a way of coping with something the person does not want to face.

^^^^^Hi Leo

Okay people let's settle down here....There are a lot of young impressionable people running around UM and so when you're stating your opinions about the existence of demons, please don't forget words like, "IMO" or "I believe" or "I think"......Don't state your views as facts or absolutes......

As usual I agree with Leo......

Going by Christianity, Demons are on a similar level to Angels in my opinion. Except they are evil.

Of course they exist ....most of them either work for the inland revenue or go into politics.

w1n.

OMG this explains so much about the governement! lol, but seriously I'm actually a believer in demons however I don't know too much about them. I knew they are more spiritual beings so the cant always be seen so I naturally assumed they copuld take on a physical form to, well in so many words, screw with us. I get what you're saying JN, but really it doesnt have to be a physical fear of an object does it? Could it not be a fear of something more meaningful like the death of a dear friend, cus uh, I dunno about you guys but I find that WAY scarier than a goant spider thats about to eat me.

To Leo: I'm not quite sure I agree. If I'm understanding you correctly, and I believe I am, not everyone who believes in demons are frightened and are looking for an explanation to there fear, nor does it mean they are suffering. I think most people just say they're being haunted because it draws atention to themselves.

Very nicely put leo . I agree with everything you stated there

EDIT: nice to see you posting again jennie1.

OMG this explains so much about the governement! lol, but seriously I'm actually a believer in demons however I don't know too much about them. I knew they are more spiritual beings so the cant always be seen so I naturally assumed they copuld take on a physical form to, well in so many words, screw with us. I get what you're saying JN, but really it doesnt have to be a physical fear of an object does it? Could it not be a fear of something more meaningful like the death of a dear friend, cus uh, I dunno about you guys but I find that WAY scarier than a goant spider thats about to eat me.

Every one has a different opinion of what a Demon is, and what it can do. Spiders for example, may not bother you at all, but one who is scared to death of them is extremely frightened. These things can be extrememly violent along with creating visual and auditory illusions, and will stop at nothing while in the midst of placing someone under attack..NO It doesnt have to be a physical fear whatsoever, they just throw that in with the mix. Its a 24/7 nightmare in which you dont seem to wake up, until help arrives. What I meant by losing a loved one is, a Demonic can follow them into any location of their choice and will target the weakest person, and can go on to terrify the entire family. For those who think these are hallucinations or seizures, I will strongly disagree, because undergoing evaluations both medical and psycholical rules that out from the get go, till the aftermath. Basically the mess with our brains, our thoughts, and test our faith, and strength. The only ones who truly know what they are capable of, are those who have seen its wrath..JMO...JN

Demons exist to those who have seen them and they dont exist to those who havent seen them. It all comes down to making ones self comfortable with the idea of demons. Some people who are aware of their existence dont care, others who do try to tell the world. But if you havent seen them and want to believe- why would you even want to see a demon- they're bad and your better off not knowing about them.

The damned see what the world will never believe. There cursed souls are tortured by unknown things that can only be described as madness. You cant escape the demons once you know of their existence. They become aware of you and will torture you until you go crazy or die. Try and tell anyone and the rest of your days will be in a room with four white walls.

There's nothing good about the demons. Stay away. Dont be curiouse. If you want to see a devine being then go looking for angels.

Insinuating that 'demons go after the weakest' is a horribly effective way of reinforcing insecurity in someone who may already be emotionally or psychologically vulnerable. Everyone is capable of controlling their own situation.

It's interesting that medical science has only recently begun to recognise the symptoms of some forms of epilepsy brought on by scarring on the brain and how seizures may not be related to brain injury at all, but also be the result of isolation and/or intense meditation. The brain-scarring can happen in childbirth and may not have any noticeable effect on the person. If the scarring is in the Temporal Lobe area of the brain then this can cause the person to suffer TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). Many people may go for neurological check-ups and be given a clean bill of health, only for medical science to eventually catch up with the particular syndrome which they are suffering with. I would strongly recommend to people who suspect they are suffering some kind of 'demonic haunting/visitation' to research thoroughly on neurological science and not simply trust to their local GP/hospital who may not have people with the necessary specialism to diagnose a particular neurological condition.

What I meant by the weakest is the one that does not have free will whether it be psycholical or medical. I do believe when a home is under attack as is a family, they should seek medical and psycholical help, however I had an MRI and it was fine, so if thats the case, why did other see what I saw? Do we all suffer from an unknown maliday that brought on such loud sounds, odors that would make you want to move, and getting injured by an unforseen entity? So I must respectfully disagree. We have gone this road several times Leo and I totally respect your opinion, but I do not agree. We can agree to disagree..JN

Out of curiosity . I wonder if it would be worth you getting the house checked , If lots of people report the same feelings/ sensations when with you . the actual cause could be something in your home. I read somewhere that some electrical items such as fans . alarm clocks etc etc can cause strange phenomena to be experienced, that some could misconstrue as ghosts/demons . some people are apparantly more susceptible to them .

A good place to get more idea on this is in this thread by inner space . Well worth a read if you haven't seen it already .

LINK

Demons exist. Nothing else can explain the cruelty of a certain girl I once knew. It just wasn't....human I guess would be the best word.

Daemone is the Latin/Greek term for 'Spirit Energies'
The Christian/Jews turned it into Demon and with it 'Evil' connotations as they did Satan (Shaiten).
Undoubtedly the Greeks borrowed this idea from Egypt where Cosmological energies were revered and personified.

They exist. Their nature is evil. They are spirits/ghosts.

Satan, the devil, Demon, the AntiChrist, Lucifer, Father of all Lies, Little Horn, etc. are just names that were given to the human desire to be opposing to God. In Hebrew, the word Satan signify adversary-Anyone, who adversely affects to that of God. Mathew 16:23 “But he turned, and said unto Peter, ‘Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.’” Demons are in the hearts of People. If 5 billion people(Christianity) believe that Demons are real Beings. We are still truly in the Dark Ages.

or at least in the 1st century with the Pharisees.

Speaking of old Lucy, his name isn't in the Hebrew version of the bible or any of the better translations.
Here's a link that explains it. (there are lot's of them, but this is my fave, because it is the Christian site)
http://www.crivoice.org/lucifer.html

Another thing I find amusing is that in literal translations from Hebrew to English "demon-possessed" becomes "demoniac" which just sounds so much more appropriate.
(Ooops almost forgot) In my opinion anyway.

A few days ago, I was walking into an Reservation store(not my rez). There was an girl that I recognized that was hanging about by the front door. I seen her b4 at the Mental Health Center as an bipolar patient weeks ago. I was standing beside her down during a ECT(electric shock treatment)
She had escaped a week or so back. I have reported her on where at the nurse’s 0700 Report but we cant do anything but wait for the RCMP(police) picks her up. Anyway, while I was in the store waiting in line. She would be looking at me thru the store window. I was a little freaked and felt that it wasn’t her. She had her hood on and the jacket was an old parka. As I was leaving she walked up to me asking me if I had any money. I had said no bec I knew that she was saving up for pot or for whatever. After that she asks me if I had a cigarette and I had given her a few. I asked on how she is doing but she snapped back with a quick answer saying that she was ok but she kept on looking at my Cross(Yes, its odd of me because I am a atheist. Lynn, my wife, had bought me the Cross. I wear it for her Love and Understanding, and a reminder at the times when I have a religious sentiment on how wicked we are…etc). So, I get into my van driving away thinking what a strange chick. I looked into at my rear view mirror and there she was, looking at me. She sent shivers…
One night-shift long ago, we had a patient saying that he was Possessed. This guy was a Beekeeper and he has made a lot of money doing it. He was a cool gentlemen and we were brief friends.
There would be an Bible that is always open in his room, on the room’s table with a bunch of papers sticking out of it. Nearly every line of the pages is hi lited red and blue. I had found this one paper with a bunch of drawing of religious paraphernalia under his chair with bible passages and asking for protection. Anyway, this one evening(sun downing) he was being uncooperative and delusional. All evening he was difficult to deal with…yelling about Satan is here. I must admit that he did freak me out as well with 2 RPNS and another Psyche-Aide. We checked on him at 0300, and he was missing .We phoned Security. At 0400, I looked into his room with a flashlight. Nothing but I felt a sinister creeping up feeling. I walked out of the room and I then proceeded to check up on the other patients. I was about half way to the next room and I hear this grunt and giggling behind me. I quickly turned around and went back to his room flashing the light up at the top of a open closet. He scared the sh** outta me lol. It was the way he looked at me with his possessed eyes. I told him to get down laughing and feeling a lil annoyed. The RPN’s and co psyche Aide said that room( 7 ft by 10 ft) was empty…brb gtg..

Well hurry, because I want to hear the rest of the story.

Why are demons always portrayed as evil in the West, when in some older cultures they were seen as benificent? I mean many of the Demons of Christian Ideology are in fact, ancient gods and godesses from Babylon, Sumer, and others, these beings were good guys once on Par with some of the most powerful Angels in Heaven, regardless of what form they took/take. That is how I see them, as beings from a higher plane who are neither good nor evil, just trying to keep the Universe in Balance.

Yea, this man was the best of the real weird ones at the Mental Health. I do see him once in awhile in my small city, and he does seems to be doing fine. So, continuing on that morning. He jumps down from the top of the closet and hits a wall with his elbow making a huge hole. The other three Nurses( females) came in immediately and one of the RPNs signalled at me to go the nurses station n get the chair that has the restraint belt and the wrist & ankle cuffs. I slowly walked out the room n listening to what he was saying. He was at his summit of his psychosis, quite psychotic, and he was screaming different names of the bible and mixing up verses of the Bible. He believed that there were demons outside of window scraping the glass, and hearing footsteps on top of the roof. I looked at the gloomy window and beside it on the wall, he had written “To abide under the shadow of the Almighty”.
I was coming back, speedily rolling the chair down corridor, and I then hear the Nurses calling out my name because he began to lash out at the two RPNs…lol, I ran into the room, leaving the chair outside in the hall, and I practically tackled him and held him down bec he about to lash-our again. He and I ended up at the corner of the room then finally the other psyche-aide n RPN helped me out. We threw him in the chair and restrained him n the other RPN sedated him. He must have screamed Satan and Jesus thirty or so times and he was a good fighter. He ripped my new shirt-scrub. I wear black and red scrubs. Red is power.

They are fallen angels. They can take any form. They can also go into weak ppl that drink heavy or do drugs. They might even be 'the aliens' ppl claim to see..they do both share similiar quailities ie. tall w/ black souless eyes..it states in the bible that God gave satan "dominion over the skies.."..anything that distracts humans from the truth.

This sounds really good & all... but the truth is, demons are not always in people's minds- product of their fears. Demons are real. The effects of such hauntings (for example) is life changing.

AMEN, Finally a voice of reason..

Jn. I think it all boils down to experience- and what some are (willing to believe) on this issue.. I am not going to sit here and say that my entire family and myself should be cleared of any psychiatric issues LOL..... The onset hit us all at the same time, all each different experiences, three different households, all the experiences were intense..

I've never made light of the effect these experiences have on people. Many experiences we have may be life-changing, but that doesn't mean the source of those experiences has to be external of ourselves, nor does it imply we can't take control of our own lives and stand up to our own fears and insecurities. Indeed, the positive outcome some people take from these experiences is that they DO learn to take control of their own lives.

I know, same here. Experience equals knowledge. Bi-location is another type of Demonic Hanting that very few even seem to be aware of..JN

All I can say at this point to you, is I am praying you never have an encounter with a Demonic, because once you do, nothing is ever the same in your life. Its not a matter of insecutiries, mental illness, or control. These things can attach to anyone, and anything at any time. Once you have been thru it, like many of us, you might then stop blaming humans on evil. JN

I honestly dont know, but i do think that many hauntings that may be attributed to demons may infact be the work of angry or hateful spirits that like to take their emotional pain and frustration out on others. Such things are as much a human trait as they could be concieved to be a a demonic one. Not all humans are nice in life, not all humans are going to be nice in death. Some are just lost and need guidance, others well, maybe they are just plain outright nasty.

If demons do exist i dont think they would torment people by haunting them (although i could be wrong about that, this stuff is purely theoretical and id never pass it off as being fact). Neither do i think they would possess them, after all if they want to cause a soul to end up in damnation after death (going by the religious stereotype here as im a christian, a liberal and open minded christian but a christian all the same) if a soul is possessed then it is not directly responsible for any acts that it commits as a result of that possession and cant be held accountable for anything it may do whilst its under the control of another. I feel they are more likely to tap into your weaknesses and tempt you into falling prey to them so that you end up bringing about your own destruction. Also i dont think anything in the spiritual world is allowed to affect a persons free will in any way. A person has to chose their own pathway, whether that be good or evil or somewhere inbetween.

I hate to say it but mankind causes much of his own suffering, demons dont have to cause suffering for us, we are more than capable of creating suffering ourselves.

I do think people have their own personal demons that are not paranormal in origion.

Personal demons is just a metaphor for evil things that people can do to screw up their lives. Demonics EXIST and they are out there. They detest humans, so who else would they instill their evil wrath upon? I understand for those who have never had an experience to blame it on anything, BUT a Demonic. But as I said, some of us speak from experience, and we are not wimps, we dont have any medical/neurological issues NOR are we mentally unstable, we are not insecure or anything of that nature. As I said, the only ones who truly understand are those who have lived thru that sort of haunting..JN

Thats fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion.

Edited to add that im sorry to hear you have had a bad experience with such things and may you be protected from such experiences in the future.

It had nothing to do with any fears or insecurities with any of us. I ignored this, until i had no choice but to acknowledge what was going on- This was brought on through an event in hospice.. My family and myself witnessed something very bizarre there. It was immediately after that that we started to experience such things. This has nothing to do with beliefs, religions, self conscious anything.. this was real. This was shown to many that were close to us even, not just to me, or my family members. Life changing, so life changing it even scares me to talk about this.
I had no choice but to take control of it, or it would have eventually eaten me alive.

*and I'm not saying that some people can't manifest these things through their own fears..I'm certain it's possible. But, not here.

Good girl..AMEN!! JN

LOL , gosh it can be frustrating..

LOL Just a little...

I don't know if this is the right place for this but a few months back I was up late and I went to bed around 12:30am. As I went up stairs I got the feeling that something was behind me. When I got to the top I turned around to close our daughters stairgate as I did this I saw the shadowy shape of the head and shoulders of a man sized figure coming up about 6 or 7 steps behind me. It wasn't even a trick of the light as I never turn on the hall light in case it wakes up my kids. So the only light source was the window in the front door and this light would have to have "bent" to cast this shadow.
I watched it for a moment and then it vanished, it felt as if i was seeing it half real and half in my "mind's eye" and so I would have put it down to tiredness as well apart for when I came out of the toilet after this my 7 year old was standing on the landing having woken up and the first thing she said was "Daddy I think I've just seen a man coming up the stairs", despite the fact I hadn't said a word to her.

I don't know what this thing was but it was accompanied by a strong sense of malice.

To me, that sounds like what they refer to as a shadow person. They are quite the phenomena, and way too many reports than I could even guess. Basically they are harmless, but for some reason very popular and common. Maybe this can help..Good Luck..JN


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_people

Thanks JustNormal I'll read up on them now I have an idea where to look...

Sounds like you possibly experienced a shadow person...

i enjoy being on these forums at night ^^ makes me wonder if ill ever encounter these things... hopefully not since i'm good at heart and i dont believe anyone in the house has ever done anything... satanic persay? built 16 years ago, my folks were the first ones who bought it and actually lived in it butt im not big on all the hauntings and shadow people and evil entities

The way the world is now: Humans appears to be more wicked that of Demons. You see and hear of terrible things that ppl do in Africa and the surrounding countries. This whole planet is wicked as hell. I seen the raw pictures of Rwanda and their eyes is pure human Evil. I never hear or see of Demons doing deplorable things to people. The best that these demons, that I’ve heard n’ read, is do harm to young misplaced people and smell bad. Some might say that Humans are wicked in because of Demons but Humans are more creative to be Evil. Rwanda or Iraq..I think is the peak of our Evil. Sometimes, I think of the well-known quote “Hell Is Earth” is true. Earth is the only celestial object that is not named after a God.
Since what time did the Shadow People appear? Is it mostly in the younger generation? I wouldn’t have known about the Shadow People if I didn’t go online. All I knew was old stories from Native folklore, the myths, legends, superstitions dedicated to how these primordial peoples explained, feared and perceived. My ancestry worshipped their shadows.
I need a life change…
Demon Haunted World

Evil spirits are Evil spirits. yeah sounds profound right. Let me explain. A demon is a thing, never knowing life, but then again never knowing death. Right. Demons maybe in a league of there own. Solomon was said to be able to command demons and he would call them before him, So I heard, Anyway, Demons are not fallen angels. Fallen angels are Evil angels so maybe, Demons could be good and bad. Then again they could just be bred from evil. We don't know. I guess some say Demons are fallen angels, but I am starting to think they are different. Angels might not even look like the pics as they are depicted, they could look really wierd and frightful. But if they are good looking and they become evil does that cause them to transform. Do they become twiested. Ok so to get on to my original reason to reply to this is that the man that obeys God walks a narrow path. The devil works best by installing doubt into our hearts. Well the best way to do that would be to just not appear at all. IF The devil and demons do not make themselves known then the thought, If the Devil is not real God is not real. But then again, If man sees that spirits (Demons taking the shape of dead humans), are just hanging around then that puts the thought that there is no heaven or hell after death. Then it just says that Gods promise was not real. Again if there is no devil there is no God. I think that Ghost feed on energy like electricity to manifest, but Demons might get there power by our emotions. They drain us of energy and feed on our anger and fear and basic emotions. That might be why,whenever you hear of demonic possesion, people move into a house. They start life. Things start to happen and tensions run high. People are afraid and that breeds anger which just angers others and thats just a banquet for the demons. My theory, you never know. Maybe not. Hope that was sufficient.

, Demons are evil. taking back when I said they might be good, that was just out of the box. They are evil