So Heartagram, I assume you cannot do the covered pin wheel. Now you are making excuses once more, as always, to get around it. Look, if you have these abilities, then you spent/spend time to develop them. How come you all of the sudden don't have time to back up your claims? And please don't tell me you don't have like 10-20 minutes of your life, and a transparent bowl to put up this video. I am 21, I live with my gf, I have friends, family, a work, and I know for sure that I have atleast time to do such. And I even agreed to do your test, but I am not going to bother if you just make more excuses. And to vote, don't make that "uncovered" test on Wednesday, because it proves nothing.

Majority vote says I DONT DO THE VID! Only Moro and Eric's votes count, because everyone else who voted was AFTER 9:00...Which makes it a tie..But I vote I dont do it..So...MAJORITY WINS...

Heart, i'm your mate, but i've got to say, if you don't have time to prove it, just believe in it, don't claim you can. Because everyone wants proof! I love you to little tiny pieces, but i see a storm coming...

Plus, why has this thread suddenly changed? I was having fun!

Angel x

I personally do not mind talking about the supernatural world that seems to be all around us.
But, when people start making amazing claims with no kind of proof that it could be possible,
it just kind of throws everything off in a thread to, (WHERE IS THE PROOF.) This is not a way
to have a good discussion on paranormal subjects.

Amazing claims should be left for blog entries, where they can't mess up a good discussion.



Regards,
Tom

Thanks. A BLOG would be the best place for Heart's claims.

I have a brilliant idea! How about we leave the moderating to the moderators?

While a certain degree of skepticism goes with the territory, trollish behavior most certainly does not. That goes for both sides

It is frustrating trying to moderate a discussion board with such polarized groups who forget the very fundamentals of discussing and exchanging views and ideas. Where we go from here is entirely up to you guys..

Without a doubt the subject of psycho-kinetic abilities is highly controversial. UM has some members making some rather dubious claims of fantastic powers without posting verifiable evidence of it's existence.

We also have some members who clamor for "proof" yet I suspect that certain minds are so closed that the very proof they profess to search for could slap them upside the head and they would never even notice.

It is frustrating trying to moderate a discussion board with such polarized groups who forget the very fundamentals of discussing and exchanging views and ideas. Where we go from here is entirely up to you guys..

I am putting everyone on notice here that any sort of behavior that violates the ToS of UM will earn a warning and/or suspension of posting privileges

I personally do not mind talking about the supernatural world that seems to be all around us.
But, when people start making amazing claims with no kind of proof that it could be possible,
it just kind of throws everything off in a thread to, (WHERE IS THE PROOF.) This is not a way
to have a good discussion on paranormal subjects.

Amazing claims should be left for blog entries, where they can't mess up a good discussion.



Regards,
Tom

The only time, I have actually claimed something, is when I am either asking for, or giving help...I don't go around making claims cause I'm bored...And, I have provided you all, with tons of written evidence and theories, videos, and hours of my time...If thats not enough than what is?!

One...You should of felt something yourself before tryin it on others...Like Moro...He at;least thought he felt somethin...Then he did the test...If you dsont feel anything, the odds of someone else feelin it too are almost none...


Makes Rude Gesture @ Blacksabbath...

Rude gestures eh? I didn't say anything nasty to you lil fella. And After 2 weeks of not feeling anything but my imagination, I tried it with me gf. And nothing again. And yes, my imagination, feeling heat or cold because I imagine to. Probably the answer to all psi balls. Still, rude gestures? tsk tsk. Can see you are thirteen. Or was it twelve?

Which reminds me, you still never quoted and answered my post 4 posts up.

Hehe...It was just for emphasize...And, I didn't see your other post..I'll check em now...Oh..I did see thta one..I have no reply to it..Think what you want about me, couldn't care less...=D

Taken off Psipog.net, psiboy124 asks on May 14, 2006, 10:46am:

Sorry; this is not a question, but I just had to tell something. I think the best thing to do with psiballs when you get good is to make a hot psiball in one hand and a cold psiball in the other, then shape them into dragons and make them fight. When I first dreamed this up, I watched it for like a hour(recharging them every now and then). It is the COOLEST!

Seriously? You expect me to believe this and then go on to further waste my time by trying it myself?

Yes I expect that of you. Why not?

Doesn't it phase you at all that there has never been a shred of evidence, not a single measurable, reproducible effect ever discovered in the realm of telekinesis. If the evidence is so obvious and testable then the scientific community would flood to you in huge numbers, the whole of humanity would be caught up in an age of discovery and development.. the repercussions for such evidence would have groundbreaking global repercussions... and yet no-one can find this evidence.... it's almost as if it doesn't exist!

Ok, as I have stated in other post, not only I can feel the "psi balls" I make, I told my brother to feel inside my hand, and tell me what he felt(Didn't tell him anything was there, and he doesnt know about psi) And when he did, he said it felt cold, and electricy, and then today, I made psi flow from my fingertips, and told my friend Austin(He knows that I practice this stuff, but doesn't know anything much about what psi feels like or anything) to put his hand under my fingers...As soon as he did he pulled his hand back, and said it felt cold...REALLY COLD...And said it felt really wierd...Also,jackpaperdig , a skeptic who says, that he doesn't believe in psi, and thinks of them as a trick of the mind...But he says to be sure, he made a "psi ball" and told his sister to feel inbetween his hands(His sister is bliss to psi also) and he said as soon as she did, she pulled her hand back saying "What the hell was that!!!" He said she said it was very cold, and almost electricky...Now, do you think, it's just a coincidence, that all these people, had the same feelings when asked to feel inbetween our hands(For Austin under my hands) I highly doubt each person, if psi is fake, I doubt each one of their minds would make up the same feelings...It's highly unlikely...


So look, I'm extending a challenge to the skeptics...You guys do the work for a change...You guys all seem to love and make me do work to prove stuff to you, now it's your turn to put soem effort into this...I want you guys, the skeptics, to practice making psi balls, for one week, once you feel that you have something (Even if you think it's just your mind) Tell someone, who is oblivous to psi, to feel inbetween your hands, note their reactions...Also, note your own sensations as well...This is my challnge for you guys...I have put out way more than my fair share of effort for you skeptics, so it's your turn...I know you guys don't believe in psi, but give it a try, and see what others think..I know alot of you have tried psi before, and dismissed it as a figment of your imagination, but try it anyways, and note other peoples reactions when they feel the energy in your hands...For those skeptics who havent tried...Go here and if you want alot more detail on it, go here...


Just do this little test....Many of you say you truely wnat psi to exist, so expelling a little effort won't be hard, right? Post your results here, and please, for God's Sake, don't lie, or change your info to support your arguement....Have fun!

More of it is not reported because articles from any scientific journals tend to need to be paid for so it doesn't get into the mainstream. It's hard to get scientific information for this stuff when its all under copyright.... and even if you're at uni, at least in New Zealand, there aren't any universities that offer parapsychology so there isn't any access to the journals. And the journals I do have access to would be shunned if they mentioned any of this stuff. As my biopsychology lecturer said in reference to one article he presented to us, if they had actually mentioned the word "telepathy" (rather than "synchronised EEGs") the article never would have been published.

Does anyone here have free access to those journals?

Does anyone here have free access to those journals?