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Althalus
I have just come across this monk and found this interesting so I decided to share:

In 1139 and Irish Cistercian monk, Malachy of Armagh, travelled to Rome and there left a list of 113 Latin titles, one for every pope who would reign from his day henceforward.  The titles supposedly forecast the names of popes, their birthplaces, offices held, crests and major events during their pontificates.  Thus for pope John XXIII (1958-63), he offered the designation Pastor et Nauta (Shepherd and Sailor).  John, before becoming pope, had been patriarch of the port of Venice.  The term nauta was earlier used in motto 47, for pope Gregory XII (1406-15), who was born in Venice.
John's successor, pope Paul VI, was designated Flos Florum, or Flower of Flowers. In medieval church symbology the flower of flowers was the lily. Paul's papal crest sported three lilies.
For pope Paul I, who died after only 34 days in office, the motto was De Medietate Lunae, From the Half Moon. His secular name Albino Luciani - in latin 'pale white light'. Also the full moon fell exactly halfway through his brief reign, meaning that he both succeded to the papacy and died at the time of the half moon.
His successor, pope Paul II, was born 18th May 1920; the day of the total eclipse of the sun. His motto is De Labore Solis - From the Laboring/Eclipsing/Rising Sun, given that he is the first pope from the east the latter is also possible.
Following De Labore Solis, only 2 titles are left on the list. For the next pope the motto is Gloria Olivae, the Glorious Olive. This may refer to the Benedictine Order, also known as the Olivetan. Or it may mean an olive branch in his insignia, or that his papacy will coincide with a reign of peace. If so, it will be brief. The last pope is ientified as Petrus Romanus, Peter of Rome, like the first. Malachy devotes and entire paragraph to him. The translated latin reads 'In extreme persecution of the Roman church shall sit Peter the Roman, who shall feed his flock amid many tribulations; which things being done, the City of the Seven Hills shall be removed, and the Great Judge will judge the people.'

Is Malachy reliable?

Some people think so, but it should be noted that:
1) the cardinals responsible for choosing the new pope know of the prophecy.
2) each new pope can choose to fulfill the prophecies.
3) in each lifetime it is not impossible to find events that fit the prophecies and each given motto.
Mystify
Very Intresting Althalus!
Thx
The Sandman
QUOTE(Althalus @ Sep 23 2002, 09:16 PM) *
For the next pope the motto is Gloria Olivae, the Glorious Olive. This may refer to the Benedictine Order, also known as the Olivetan. Or it may mean an olive branch in his insignia, or that his papacy will coincide with a reign of peace.



what a coincedence....remembering the fact that Pope Benedict XVI was elected as pope only on 19 April 2005, while this thread was done on Spet 23, 2002.
The Sandman
after some digging around on the net, i came across some more stuff...

check out St. Malachy's Predictions on the Popes


the phropecy says that Pope Benedict XVI is the second last pope...and the last pope will be Petrus Romanus or Peter of Rome, for whom the prediction is

QUOTE
In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremêdus judicabit populum suum. Finis.
(In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)



????
The Sandman
QUOTE(Althalus @ Sep 23 2002, 09:16 PM) *
Is Malachy reliable?

Some people think so, but it should be noted that:
1) the cardinals responsible for choosing the new pope know of the prophecy.
2) each new pope can choose to fulfill the prophecies.
3) in each lifetime it is not impossible to find events that fit the prophecies and each given motto.


Supposing that the Cardinals know of the prophecy and are choosing the pope to fulfill the prophecies, they should also be knowing that after Pope petrus romanus, vatican will be destroyed, why dont they inform the faithful????

St. Malachy's Prophecy on The last Pope and his times is

QUOTE
In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremêdus judicabit populum suum. Finis.
(In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)


and after Pettrus Romanus, there are no more Popes in St. malachy's Prophecy.

Also Nostradamus in his prophecy in centruy 2, Quatrain 41, says

QUOTE
La grand, estoille par sept iours bruslera,
Nuë fera deux Soleils apparoir:
Le gros mastin toute nuict hurlera,
Quand grand pontife changera de terroir.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The great star will burn for seven days,
The cloud will cause two suns to appear:
The big mastiff will howl all night,
When the great pontiff will change country.


does these two prophecies match?
Star_girl
wow talk about digging up the past!

Only time will tell though. I'll start to worry the day Peter gets elected... unsure.gif
The Sandman
that day wont be that too far....may be in a couple of years....all popes are grey old men who will wither out or die in a few years.....why the hell cant they elect a young pope????
Star_girl
"Another example of the dubious authority of the prophecy is Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger's choice of the name Benedict XVI, which was seen by some as the fulfilment the prophecy De Gloria Olivae, since it is claimed that the olive branch is sometimes used as a symbol of St. Benedict. However, prior to his election there were numerous speculations in the media as to what could be considered as "fulfillment of the prophecy". For example, it was said that any pope from the Benedictine Order; or any Latin American pope (with olive complexion) or any black pope; or any pope from Italy or Spain (two countries strongly associated with the cultivation of olives); or any pope with links to Judaism--any of the aforementioned possibilities was advanced as constituting a fulfillment of the prophecy, giving a broad array of possibilities. It has also been noted that the choice of name, while interesting for those who predicted the choice of the name, was not statistically unlikely, as modern papal names are generally chosen from a fairly limited set of names. In the last 250 years, for example, there have only been seven names used for Popes: John, Benedict, Pius, Gregory, Paul, Leo, and John Paul. Media comments on Pope Benedict XVI's choice of name have suggested that he seeks to emulate Pope Benedict XV's legacy of diplomacy and theological conservatism.

Separate doubts are raised about the last entry, describing Petrus Romanus. Some claim that this was first recorded sometime after 1820 and so is often considered not to be part of the original prophecy." - Wikipedia

Wikipedia - Prophecy of the Popes

This is what I could dig up. Maybe the last line is not so accurate? There is also some speculation that the church is trying to fulfill this prophecy... unsure.gif
The Sandman
QUOTE(Star_girl @ Sep 7 2007, 09:11 AM) *
There is also some speculation that the church is trying to fulfill this prophecy... unsure.gif



The church is trying to fulfill this prophecy!!!!

Hmmmm. Is the Church trying to speed up the coming of the AntiChrist.? If Petrus Romanus is the Last Pope, the AntiChrist is also near.
Now since this is a conspiracy theory hot topic, some nurt case may even try to kill Pope Benedict so that the last pope may come sooner??
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Yes, they say Ratzinger is the last before Petrus Romanus, but they also say that there maybe a gap between the next to the last ie Ratzinger and Peter. But they way things are going you never know.
Star_girl
I feel another dooms day date coming on...

Well hopefully the last one was added on later is and false? What are the odds? Why cant there ever be Good predictions...
The Sandman
if you read malachy's prophecies together with nostradamus' quatrains.....you can conspiracy theorify some stuff..heheheh

peterus romanus is the last pope...there are no poes between pope benedict and petrus romanus..during this gap..there could be a possibility that eurpoe is attacked...or europe will be attacked during the reign of petrus romanus...

if you read 'The nostradamus code- word war iii 2006-2012'...conspiracy theorists could find a line....world wr will break out in 2008.. will come to end at the entry of the antichrist and later oppression by the antichrist and then...the armangeddon...mmuahahahaha
The Sandman
QUOTE (Althalus @ Sep 23 2002, 09:16 PM) *
Following De Labore Solis, only 2 titles are left on the list. For the next pope the motto is Gloria Olivae, the Glorious Olive. This may refer to the Benedictine Order, also known as the Olivetan. Or it may mean an olive branch in his insignia, or that his papacy will coincide with a reign of peace. If so, it will be brief. The last pope is ientified as Petrus Romanus, Peter of Rome, like the first. Malachy devotes and entire paragraph to him. The translated latin reads 'In extreme persecution of the Roman church shall sit Peter the Roman, who shall feed his flock amid many tribulations; which things being done, the City of the Seven Hills shall be removed, and the Great Judge will judge the people.'

Is Malachy reliable?

Some people think so, but it should be noted that:
1) the cardinals responsible for choosing the new pope know of the prophecy.
2) each new pope can choose to fulfill the prophecies.
3) in each lifetime it is not impossible to find events that fit the prophecies and each given motto.


sorry for digging up this old topic.
This should actually be in the conspiracy theories forum, but its ancient too......
The thing of Mr. Jopseph ratzinger aka Pope Benedict XVI .......is real interesting and the time scale too.
the gloria oliveta pope is the second last pope..he could be Pope Benedict XVI and then ..he is old man...soon to kick his bucket....that leaves petrus romanus ....the world is going to end sooooon!!!


Personally, i think its full of hogwash. what do u think folks??
OldTimeRadio

It's worth noting that while St. Malachai supposedly uttered these prophecies in the 12th Century the prophecies themselves can't be dated to any earlier than the 16th or 17th Centuries.

This might be the reason why the earlier predictions are so much more accurate than the latter!
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