I don’t know if this has been posted before, I am sorry if it was but I could not find anything specific about it.
I was on live leak today and was watching some controlled demolitions videos. Among them, this one surfaced and I clicked on it to see what was all about the demolition truck mentioned on the video title.
Here is the link to the vid: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=788_1202178334
What do you guys think about this? Could this be a bad coincidence? Is this made up?
Again, if this is repost, I am sorry. I couldn't find it.
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Well... there are, according to the yellow pages, 10 pages worth of demolition firms in New York. So such a thing would, i expect, not be too uncommon a sight. That is, if the footage is, in any case, real. Plus, I should think, if they were conspiring to bring down the Twin Towers, they'd probably do it a bit more clandestinely than ringing up a firm from the Yellow Pages.
The truck in the video link you posted looks like a fake to me, Feanor, and even if it isn't I am agreeing with 747400 that this is not a big deal. Now, if you are looking for a real demolition van, see these news clips: -
This becomes all the more interesting when we find who the men in the truck were and exactly what they were detained for in New York on 9/11 - no less than a number of them being Israeli Mossad agents and reported to authorities for celebrating the WTC attacks. This page, The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11, gives fuller details of the story and links to other news sources.
My theory - the Mossad agents were part of the team involved in the controlled demolition setup of the Towers and WTC7.
- 9/11: Vanload of Explosives (CNN)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7-hSEyVDz0 - 9-11: Dan Rather on FBI Arrest of Truckbomb suspects (CBS)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv2qsOcKG7w...feature=related - 9/11: Truckload of Explosives (ABC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlgnmjSkVbk...feature=related - 9/11: NYPD Found Explosive Devices in Van (MSNBC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUkbLaFevyg...feature=related
This becomes all the more interesting when we find who the men in the truck were and exactly what they were detained for in New York on 9/11 - no less than a number of them being Israeli Mossad agents and reported to authorities for celebrating the WTC attacks. This page, The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11, gives fuller details of the story and links to other news sources.
My theory - the Mossad agents were part of the team involved in the controlled demolition setup of the Towers and WTC7.
Feanor, just to balance Q24's theory, this link will take you to a discussion (starting at my post at the bottom of the page) between Q24 and myself on the 'van full of explosives' story. Whether you ultimately agree with Q24, see things more my way or have a completely different view altogether I'm not bothered, but you should at least have a fuller / more clarified list of sources and a couple of different viewpoints to make your own mind up with.
Yeah. Thanks for the links.
To be honest, my intention is not to insinuate that the 9/11 incidents was a conspiracy or not. I just posted the vid here cause I find it on live leak and it was in someway weird.
Anyway, I will check latter the links you provided. Thanks again!
To be honest, my intention is not to insinuate that the 9/11 incidents was a conspiracy or not. I just posted the vid here cause I find it on live leak and it was in someway weird.
Anyway, I will check latter the links you provided. Thanks again!
Sounds like some idiots were taking pictures from a distance, while standing on their vehicle. I have read about israeli industrial spies, but these don't sound like it. Just overstayers who worked in violation of immigration rules.
The New York Times
October 8, 2001 Monday
Late Edition - Final
5 Young Israelis, Caught in Net of Suspicion
BYLINE: By ALISON LEIGH COWAN
SECTION: Section F; Column 4; Metropolitan Desk; Pg. 3
LENGTH: 945 words
As their lawyer tells it, when the five young men were picked up by F.B.I. agents in midday on Sept. 11, they had a box cutter with them. One man carried $4,000 in cash, another had two passports. In short, there probably were good reasons to be suspicious of the men who became the subjects of widespread news coverage.
What those early news accounts missed, however, was that all five of the men were Israeli Jews, and that if they had box cutters, it was because at least four of them and possibly all five worked for Urban Moving Systems, a household moving company in New York and New Jersey.
They are now facing deportation for overstaying their visas and other immigration offenses, but their lawyer says their case is a reminder that though roughly 500 people have now been detained as part of the crackdown on possible terrorists, that does not mean all of them are part of any terror network.
Driving a large van across the George Washington Bridge toward Manhattan hours after the deadly attack on American landmarks, the five men, well built and in their 20's, were speaking in a foreign language. They appeared to be from the Middle East. By some accounts, they seemed to be making light of the tragic situation.
Besides the cash and the passports, one man had fresh pictures of the smoldering wreckage of the trade center in his camera, images he had captured by standing rather conspicuously on the roof of the van.
The men were taken into custody, with news reports leaving the wide impression that the authorities had detained a group of suspicious men taking pictures or rooting for the terrorists from the New Jersey side of the bridge.
They have spent much of the last 27 days inside the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, getting a firsthand glimpse of a side of New York they never dreamed of seeing when they came to the United States as tourists. As much as anything, friends and families say, they came seeking a respite from life in a war zone.
These days, they would be thrilled to return. Shortly after the five Israelis arrived at the detention center, a group of Pakistani Muslims pressured them to join in a hunger strike, according to the Israelis' lawyer, Steven Noah Gordon. That only fortified the impression inside the prison that somehow "they were all together," and invited threats from non-Muslims, he said. For their own safety, he said, they now each have separate cells.
According to Mr. Gordon, his clients were also blindfolded during interrogations, handcuffed in confinement, and forced to take polygraph tests. Though they were technically being held by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, Mr. Gordon said, they were told ominously that if they failed to cooperate, they could be charged with violations of obscure "black-humor statutes" which, in limited circumstances, allow people to be prosecuted for cracking jokes about security matters like airplane hijackings.
Government officials are refusing to disclose much about the identities or whereabouts of the people who have been detained as part of the manhunt for the suicide hijackers' accomplices. They are divulging even less about the 150 or so who are being held on immigration charges. Some detainees no doubt have useful information about the terrorists' plot. Others seem to have done nothing more than tip off the authorities during questioning that they were living or working here illegally.
"The F.B.I. is vacuuming up everything, good, bad and indifferent," said James Oslow, an immigration lawyer in Philadelphia representing two Turkish detainees, whose truck broke down near a military base.Washington, he said, would "rather lock everybody up as a means to convince the public they're doing everything appropriate."
A spokesman for the Justice Department in Washington, Dan Nelson, refused to discuss particulars of the Israelis' case or to confirm that that they were in custody. This reporter, who approached the Metropolitan Detention Center on Friday, was turned away.
Mr. Gordon, who was initially hired by the family of one of the detainees, Oded Ellner, on Sept. 17, agreed to represent the other four pro bono as a favor to the Israeli consulate in New York. "This is a huge misunderstanding," said Yigal Tzarfati, an official with the consulate. The five men in detention, he said, "have nothing to do with the bombings."
Mr. Gordon said he did not believe his clients were advised of their rights until he was allowed to visit them on Sept. 25. "They were beside themselves," he said.Even then, he said, six to eight guards sat in on their meetings and forbade them from speaking any language but English. "It's the strangest case I've ever seen," said Mr. Gordon, who said his clients had "absolutely nothing" to do with terrorists.
Inside the prison, mistrust has been running so deep that a visiting rabbi appeared indifferent when asked to help the Israelis get prayer books for the Jewish High Holy Days last month, according to Mr. Gordon.
On Sept. 25, all five signed papers acknowledging violations of United States immigration law. One, Sivan Kurzberg, admitted working illegally on a tourist visa. His brother, Paul Kurzberg, along with Yaron Shmuel and Mr. Ellner, conceded they had overstayed their visas.
The fifth man, Omer Gavriel Marmari, was initially also charged with having overstayed his visa, because he had not left the country by Sept. 19. Since he was in custody when that deadline came, Mr. Gordon said, that charge was dropped, and Mr. Marmari conceded instead that he had failed to notify the government of a change in status.
The five are awaiting deportation back to Israel. Eagerly, friends say.
The New York Times
October 8, 2001 Monday
Late Edition - Final
5 Young Israelis, Caught in Net of Suspicion
BYLINE: By ALISON LEIGH COWAN
SECTION: Section F; Column 4; Metropolitan Desk; Pg. 3
LENGTH: 945 words
As their lawyer tells it, when the five young men were picked up by F.B.I. agents in midday on Sept. 11, they had a box cutter with them. One man carried $4,000 in cash, another had two passports. In short, there probably were good reasons to be suspicious of the men who became the subjects of widespread news coverage.
What those early news accounts missed, however, was that all five of the men were Israeli Jews, and that if they had box cutters, it was because at least four of them and possibly all five worked for Urban Moving Systems, a household moving company in New York and New Jersey.
They are now facing deportation for overstaying their visas and other immigration offenses, but their lawyer says their case is a reminder that though roughly 500 people have now been detained as part of the crackdown on possible terrorists, that does not mean all of them are part of any terror network.
Driving a large van across the George Washington Bridge toward Manhattan hours after the deadly attack on American landmarks, the five men, well built and in their 20's, were speaking in a foreign language. They appeared to be from the Middle East. By some accounts, they seemed to be making light of the tragic situation.
Besides the cash and the passports, one man had fresh pictures of the smoldering wreckage of the trade center in his camera, images he had captured by standing rather conspicuously on the roof of the van.
The men were taken into custody, with news reports leaving the wide impression that the authorities had detained a group of suspicious men taking pictures or rooting for the terrorists from the New Jersey side of the bridge.
They have spent much of the last 27 days inside the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, getting a firsthand glimpse of a side of New York they never dreamed of seeing when they came to the United States as tourists. As much as anything, friends and families say, they came seeking a respite from life in a war zone.
These days, they would be thrilled to return. Shortly after the five Israelis arrived at the detention center, a group of Pakistani Muslims pressured them to join in a hunger strike, according to the Israelis' lawyer, Steven Noah Gordon. That only fortified the impression inside the prison that somehow "they were all together," and invited threats from non-Muslims, he said. For their own safety, he said, they now each have separate cells.
According to Mr. Gordon, his clients were also blindfolded during interrogations, handcuffed in confinement, and forced to take polygraph tests. Though they were technically being held by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, Mr. Gordon said, they were told ominously that if they failed to cooperate, they could be charged with violations of obscure "black-humor statutes" which, in limited circumstances, allow people to be prosecuted for cracking jokes about security matters like airplane hijackings.
Government officials are refusing to disclose much about the identities or whereabouts of the people who have been detained as part of the manhunt for the suicide hijackers' accomplices. They are divulging even less about the 150 or so who are being held on immigration charges. Some detainees no doubt have useful information about the terrorists' plot. Others seem to have done nothing more than tip off the authorities during questioning that they were living or working here illegally.
"The F.B.I. is vacuuming up everything, good, bad and indifferent," said James Oslow, an immigration lawyer in Philadelphia representing two Turkish detainees, whose truck broke down near a military base.Washington, he said, would "rather lock everybody up as a means to convince the public they're doing everything appropriate."
A spokesman for the Justice Department in Washington, Dan Nelson, refused to discuss particulars of the Israelis' case or to confirm that that they were in custody. This reporter, who approached the Metropolitan Detention Center on Friday, was turned away.
Mr. Gordon, who was initially hired by the family of one of the detainees, Oded Ellner, on Sept. 17, agreed to represent the other four pro bono as a favor to the Israeli consulate in New York. "This is a huge misunderstanding," said Yigal Tzarfati, an official with the consulate. The five men in detention, he said, "have nothing to do with the bombings."
Mr. Gordon said he did not believe his clients were advised of their rights until he was allowed to visit them on Sept. 25. "They were beside themselves," he said.Even then, he said, six to eight guards sat in on their meetings and forbade them from speaking any language but English. "It's the strangest case I've ever seen," said Mr. Gordon, who said his clients had "absolutely nothing" to do with terrorists.
Inside the prison, mistrust has been running so deep that a visiting rabbi appeared indifferent when asked to help the Israelis get prayer books for the Jewish High Holy Days last month, according to Mr. Gordon.
On Sept. 25, all five signed papers acknowledging violations of United States immigration law. One, Sivan Kurzberg, admitted working illegally on a tourist visa. His brother, Paul Kurzberg, along with Yaron Shmuel and Mr. Ellner, conceded they had overstayed their visas.
The fifth man, Omer Gavriel Marmari, was initially also charged with having overstayed his visa, because he had not left the country by Sept. 19. Since he was in custody when that deadline came, Mr. Gordon said, that charge was dropped, and Mr. Marmari conceded instead that he had failed to notify the government of a change in status.
The five are awaiting deportation back to Israel. Eagerly, friends say.
Q24 makes an excellent point.
I was there in lower Manhattan on the morning of 9/11. Many local radio stations were reporting police caught a group of arab people trying to cross the George Washington bridge (that connects upper Manhattan with NYC, a major bridge) with a truck load of explosives. Several also reported a truck load of explosives was caught trying to cross the Queens Borough (aka 59th street) Bridge.
Both stories mysteriously disappeared a day or two later never to be heard again.
Not unusual IMO. During the first gulf war (Desert Storm) the local NBC TV news station ran a story on the second or third day of the battle saying that a bomb had been found attached to the fuel tanks in Newport News, VA which is where the Navy as a big base. It showed video of a big dark box attached to the side of a white tank along the bay with police and CG boats swarming around. That story too disappeared by the next morning and I never heard anything about it again.
I was there in lower Manhattan on the morning of 9/11. Many local radio stations were reporting police caught a group of arab people trying to cross the George Washington bridge (that connects upper Manhattan with NYC, a major bridge) with a truck load of explosives. Several also reported a truck load of explosives was caught trying to cross the Queens Borough (aka 59th street) Bridge.
Both stories mysteriously disappeared a day or two later never to be heard again.
Not unusual IMO. During the first gulf war (Desert Storm) the local NBC TV news station ran a story on the second or third day of the battle saying that a bomb had been found attached to the fuel tanks in Newport News, VA which is where the Navy as a big base. It showed video of a big dark box attached to the side of a white tank along the bay with police and CG boats swarming around. That story too disappeared by the next morning and I never heard anything about it again.
The stories did not dissappear, apparently.
They were apparently followed up on (that is the original story was), as the example shows in the above post.
They were apparently followed up on (that is the original story was), as the example shows in the above post.
QUOTE (merril @ Apr 2 2008, 03:44 AM) 
They were apparently followed up on (that is the original story was), as the example shows in the above post.
The NYT article you posted appears to be more of a watered down version of events, designed to excuse the Israelis, than a thorough follow-up. Just to give a few additional facts conspicuously absent in the article: -
QUOTE (merril @ Apr 2 2008, 12:48 AM)
What those early news accounts missed, however, was that all five of the men were Israeli Jews, and that if they had box cutters, it was because at least four of them and possibly all five worked for Urban Moving Systems, a household moving company in New York and New Jersey.
The article confirms that the men were Israeli but fails to inform that they were suspected intelligence operatives. ABC News reports: -
“Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database. According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence.”
Also the connection to Urban Moving Systems is noted but not the fact that the company was abandoned with the owner selling his home and returning to Israel three days after 9/11; hardly the behaviour of an innocent man. From the same ABC News report above: -
“One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation. After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices. The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone. Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse. The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.”
QUOTE (merril @ Apr 2 2008, 12:48 AM)
Driving a large van across the George Washington Bridge toward Manhattan hours after the deadly attack on American landmarks, the five men, well built and in their 20's, were speaking in a foreign language. They appeared to be from the Middle East. By some accounts, they seemed to be making light of the tragic situation.
By “some accounts” they seemed to be “making light”?
Actually, by all accounts the Israelis seemed very pleased, described as...- “congratulating one another”
- “videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery”
- “happy”
- “jumping for joy”
- “celebrating with high fives”
QUOTE (merril @ Apr 2 2008, 12:48 AM)
According to Mr. Gordon, his clients were also blindfolded during interrogations, handcuffed in confinement, and forced to take polygraph tests.
There is mention of the lie-detector tests here but no mention that one of the men, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take the test for ten weeks… and then he failed it. His lawyer stated Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country. Yeah, so he did work for the Mossad but just not now... riiiiight.
Anyhow, there is one important quote in the report that I have not picked up on before: -
QUOTE (merril @ Apr 2 2008, 12:48 AM)
Mr. Gordon, who was initially hired by the family of one of the detainees, Oded Ellner, on Sept. 17, agreed to represent the other four pro bono as a favor to the Israeli consulate in New York. "This is a huge misunderstanding," said Yigal Tzarfati, an official with the consulate. The five men in detention, he said, "have nothing to do with the bombings."
Excuse me, what bombings would they be, Mr Tzarfati?
QUOTE (merril @ Apr 2 2008, 12:48 AM)
The five are awaiting deportation back to Israel. Eagerly, friends say.
Finally, on the circumstances of their release from custody, a former CIA counterterrorism officer is quoted as saying: -
"There was no question but that [the order to close down the investigation] came from the White House. It was immediately assumed at CIA headquarters that this basically was going to be a cover-up so that the Israelis would not be implicated in any way in 9/11. Bear in mind that this was a political issue, not a law enforcement or intelligence issue. If somebody says we don't want the Israelis implicated in this - we know that they've been spying the hell out of us, we know that they possibly had information in advance of the attacks, but this would be a political nightmare to deal with."
Taking all evidence into account, to fit with the official story this case requires coincidence and a mishmash of excuses providing in the end an unlikely tale. In support of the inside job and controlled demolition theory, the evidence could not be anymore straightforward.
Jonathon Pollard devulges a few secrets to an ally and gets life, 5 mossad agents blow up the twin towers and get released...hmmm 
Ah, Mossad was behind the 9/11 attacks! And here I thought it was the Freemasons...
No, the masons are a front for another secret society... as they were in europe calling themselves the "illuminati".
Secret society inside a secret society anyone? Illuminati weapon of choice for dealing propaganda to the audience of the masses? Publishing...
Who owns all the corporate news in the world? 15 companies... they all meet at bilderberg and other "special events", along with many, many, other people including(but not limited to) actors, owners of the top tier corporate game, the CIA is represented, important people to note:
THE PEOPLE YOU SEE ON THE NEWS
David Rockefeller who can be confirmed to have written this in his own book...
Nicholas rockefeller had this to say to aron russo...
So what now?
Might want to look here
and here
Secret society inside a secret society anyone? Illuminati weapon of choice for dealing propaganda to the audience of the masses? Publishing...
Who owns all the corporate news in the world? 15 companies... they all meet at bilderberg and other "special events", along with many, many, other people including(but not limited to) actors, owners of the top tier corporate game, the CIA is represented, important people to note:
THE PEOPLE YOU SEE ON THE NEWS
David Rockefeller who can be confirmed to have written this in his own book...
QUOTE
"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
--David Rockefeller, page 405 of the paperback edition of his book 'Memoirs'
--David Rockefeller, page 405 of the paperback edition of his book 'Memoirs'
Nicholas rockefeller had this to say to aron russo...
So what now?
Might want to look here
and here
QUOTE (Moon Monkey @ Apr 3 2008, 09:07 PM)
Jonathon Pollard devulges a few secrets to an ally and gets life, 5 mossad agents blow up the twin towers and get released...hmmm
It certainly shows the value of following orders and/or gaining permission from the relevant people before taking action.
QUOTE (Dowisetrepla @ Apr 4 2008, 12:12 AM)
Ah, Mossad was behind the 9/11 attacks! And here I thought it was the Freemasons...
There were not any Freemasons arrested in regard to 9/11 so far as I am aware. There were however, as I have shown, five Israelis including Mossad agents who were detained in direct relation to the attacks.
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