does anyone know? Has a strong stubborn person who refuses to give into fear of demons still get possessed?

You must realize that these things dont happen on a second's notice. This ordeal could take months even years before it gets to the point of possession. There must be a haunting first, that must be witnessed, and effects everyone in the household. Then if one person lacks free will, the Demonic would "try" to possess. As long as someone is strong, has free will, and has faith in God, they will not become possessed. Its not about the "fear" of them, it has to do with how we all react when a Demon is terrorizing a family, pray and ignore till help gets there. JN

It's about giving in your will. Being subjected to a thought or belief that is out of the norm, and eventually accepting that as normal..

*add* that's how it begins.

I kinda get the feeling that pple who do get posessed allow it, otherwise demons would be getting a hell of a lot more people then they already do

when pple say a demon haunts someone does that mean it does supernatural things? like move a picture? rape you in your sleep? Pin you down etc..

NO that is not exactly how I would describe a Demonic haunting. Each case is different and each one unique, however it goes on day and night, not just when you are asleep. Dont forget, they arent spirits, they are evil entities, and if someone should have one in their home, trust me, they would know it..JN

They eventually do accept it.. it breaks the person's will.

& a lot of times it begins as suppression, or haunting.

Agree with Jn.. Like all of us are different, all attacks are different... It will thwart a person's weaknesses.. and again, we all have different weaknesses.. ex. IOW, it can/will use their weaknesses against them, to break them down...

Correct SP, that is what they are capable of and SO much more. They are unfortunately highly intelligent, they know all about us, even what we think. Not a comforting thought at all..JN

No, it's really not...

LOL I remember passing notes to people visiting LOL..Did I think IT couldnt read?

What I think or learned of Possession is that these Fallen Angels have to get out from whatever place that defines Hell. Hell must be a really appalling place to be in. When they have the chance, they will eventually find a person(s) that is not close to God or belong to any religion, and is not baptised(open portal). Then again, another way to be Possessed is to have some interest in the Occult…like the Ouija board, and letting your kids read Harry Potter books.
In the beginning process of the Possession, there will be new strains in the family. New problems will arise without warning such as Bankruptcy, falling behind bills, a sickness, alcohol&drug abuse, breaking the law etc etc..everything will seem to be Negative. After a few months of physically and mentally tormenting the selected candidate(s) - He or she will become emotionally weak, exhausting all will-power and feeling completely drained. There is no Hope for the person(s). Demons will start to perform astonishing phenomena to create Fear for the intention to enter and possess/break in the person n’ taking total control. Some tribes allow their bodies to be possessed during rituals..
Ever hear or read the quote, “Your eyes are the windows to your soul”. Read Luke 11:34, “The eye is the lamp of your body; when your eye is clear, your whole body also is full of light; but when it is bad, your body also is full of darkness”
What happen to the Soul of the person? I don’t really know where it goes. I think the Soul will behave in the same way as the Demons, in having the same feelings and emotions of evil, eventually (maybe) killing themselves..

Even reports of animal spirit possession is usually reported as a gradual process.

My post in response got lost yesterday.

I don't agree with your god statements. It makes religion a point of focus and it really shouldn't be in this forum.

About the Harry Potter thing, you're kidding right? I'm really surprised at this statement. IMO this kind of thinking is all part of stifling enjoyment of life and creating fear.

I also want to address the so-called strains in the family. Firstly, bankruptcy can be a good thing and provide financial relief to someone. Many people who are starting out fresh after a failed marriage, or a failed business find that bankruptcy provides relief and allows that person to start fresh. I don't see it as a negative thing at all.

All the other things like alcoholism, breaking the law, are created from choices in life. IMHO, these reasons or "symptoms" are merely part of the ups and downs of life. If one believes in demons, they would probably jump to that conclusion. A non believer of demons would probably figure this is just a bad patch and get on with it. Even if things are so bad they need medication to handle depression, its a far stretch to believe it is all caused by demons.

That's what's called "The old Hag Syndrom" A sleep disorder known as sleep paralysis. I suffer from this and as far as I know, it's only a defense maganism that your brain uses to keep you from acting out your dreams, I guess acting out a dream (sleep walking) is a lot more dangerous and can be fatal depending on what you do while your asleep, but sleep paralysis is not fatal and not at all scary when you know what it truly is, there is also ways to prevent it from happening, you need to avoid triggering it.

I don't think you have a choice... But if you have enough will maybe once it's in there you can force it out

Humanity often strives to place the blame on something else rather than themselves. The concept of 'demons' fit nicely. Blame the hardships on life, the disease, pestilence upon the (supposed) hatred, disgust and distaste that 'demons' have upon humanity. Same goes for the concept of 'Satan' or an 'ultimate evil.' It's a convenient belief (in my opinion) to shift the blame and responsibility from themselves, to something non-corporeal, something 'far greater' than any human. It allows the person to screw around in their life, do stupid things, and escape blaming themselves, and the guilt and shame that comes with it. It's easier to say "The devil/demon/god/Jesus/Martians/Bigfoot/Zhuul made me do it" than saying "I did this, I made a mistake, I am wrong" or, "I have a problem, I need help."

And I'm sure by now, almost anyone who actually reads what I say, can hazard a guess as to what I am going to say about this topic.

The term "demon" is a very misleading word. It has had too many various meanings attached to it and can conjure up many different emotions and mental images in peoples minds. Some (many, thanks to modernization) see the proverbial horns and red skin and hellfire, while others think, explicitly of 'Fallen Angels', and others still think of little more than 'monsters' of old.

I think the term "demon" is archaic, and a new word term/name needs to be assigned to the specific 'possessing human beings, human hating, in cahoots with the "Devil" children of evil' from the rest of what "demon" has meant in the past (monsters, smaller deity, fallen hero, etc.)

Now, if I can take the liberty of vaguely detailing some statistics of my own personal career, which revolves around the paranormal/supernatural. In all my seven years of doing this, and talking to hundreds of people across the globe, I have never come across a "true demonic haunting." Every single time someone said it was a 'demon' it was always a case of mistaken identity, or the persons own perception betraying them, or their limited understanding/knowledge of what is really out there, and having to rely on what society has taught them--which is 'demons.'

I'm not saying there isn't 'demons' (I wouldn't want the pitch forks and torches passed around) but I am saying, after all I have seen and experienced, not once have I seen irrefutable proof that what was happening was cause of a 'demon' and not something else, something mistakened for one.

-Akaebeel

Wow! Primordial this is great info for thoes who believe in heaven and hell. There are also many other theory's, according to psychology negative emotions brought on by stress related subjects such as the ones you listed above can cause the receptiors in your brain to malfunction, in return this brings about a slew of mental disorders such as phobia's, personality changes, substance abuse and failing health, a whole lot of torment and possibly self destruction if depression sets in and grows severe. I can see how people who believe in hell can mistaken these conditions as demonic possession. Not only is stress is our worst enemy, but it can turn us against our own selves. It sort of like a built in destruction bomb, and with the right combination the timer can go off.

After reading all the replies here, it still amazes me just how many attribute Demonics activity on either religion, imagination, mental illness, mind playing tricks, depression. Dont you people realize you can call it Demon or Dog for all I care. What its called doesnt really matter, does it? I believe what Primodial meant, was in the beginning or during a haunting the family unit is torn apart, families are terrorized by an unforseen force that is creating the arguing, fighting and chaos. Then it effects jobs, school, and ultimately our health, and goes down hill from there. This is also accompanied by sleep deprevation, in which the Demonic wears people down by waking them with loud bangs, odors, or simply horrifying the entire family with its antics while they try to sleep. One person sees something, the other disagrees, one wants to move, the other doesnt, and soon it causes a wedge in the relationships involved. You people have NO idea who these things operate and JUST what they are capable of. Everything bad in your life is magnified times 1,000, everything you see, you feel you might just die out of fear itself, what you smell can make you vomit for days or weeks. YES you may become anxious because you feel like you are losing your mind, but you really arent. Try sleeping with a pounding on the headboard, black ugly clouds hover over your bed, and its not long till someone is pushed, thrown, or punched. Then all your important documents go missing, so you blame the other, and again it causes a larger wedge. Try laying in bed and hear a disembodied voice whisper your name in your ear, with the breath of death and its RIGHT on you, behind you and in front of you. Try hearing someone elses voice when they arent home, or they are deceased. Add up just a few of these in a 24 hour day, THEN tell me its all in our minds. I promised to God I would put it out there and I wont go back on my word EVER..Please realize these things are what I said and MORE..They also influence your dreams and sometimes alot of your thoughts, so you dont really know what is coming out of your mouth, when saying it. Try going thru an exorcism of a home. Just watch what this THING can do to a Priest, Demonologist, and everyone present. I have never seen anything like it in my life and never care to again. You can research till your dying day, you can read, you can sit on your comfy high horse and pretend you know whats going on, BUT I pray none of you will ever ever have to have an encounter with a Demonic. I am not telling this to change anyone elses mind, more to open minds. I went to a shrink, a counselor till a month ago, to get thru the PTSD of it all..I got medical attention, I did all the right things in my life, except I had a gift of hearing from the dead, so that is how it got in. Open your minds and PLEASE realize these things are real. I dont care about religion or the Greek name for them etc..We all need to be aware and to learn, not to disgard it and bury your heads in the sand. Knowledge is strength, and there is power in prayer. JN

You said it JN " Knowledge is strength" knowledge is also power, it helps you to nip things in the butt.

Exactly. I open myself now to any possibilites out there. Not to say I have experienced them all, but at least I learn what to look for IF something should occur. I just wish when my problem started I had found a forum such as this, so that I would not have felt so alone. So I have not shut up since LOL..JN

Amen to that.

Ok, You had a demonic haunting. But what about those out there who are fear mongered? What about those (and you can't disagree with me on this, just check all of the news stories about people dying from exorcisms) who attribute a normal every event such as a job loss plus the dog dying, plus the shoe store closing to demons? There are irrational people everywhere who WILL do just that.

Edited to add: I forgot to mention what about those who are doomed to be possessed because of reading Harry Potter books.

How could a Harry Potter book possibily possess anyone. I don't believe in Demons being seprate entities, I believe we all have inner demons that we can birth into exsistence through fear at any given time, and I believe that exorcisms are nothing but a mere Propaganda, a twisted method used on the weak, sick and vulnerable people. I'd rather book a session with a psychologist than a priest....

I cannot speak for other people Lady, nor am I responsible for their decisions. The only time I have heard about death during an exorcism, were those done by family members, and it went terribly wrong. The word "Demon" is used as a metaphor, for example "we all have our demons" or "make a pact with the Devil" etc. I dont consider those Demonic related. People are who irrational, can blame anything or anyone on their misfortunes, and many do, but as I said, I cant speak for them. I was elaborating on Primordial's post and I dont know anything about Harry Potter, but that doesnt fit into my equation when it comes to Demons. I am simply explaining what can happen during a haunting, by my experience only. Every haunting is different, yet the underlying issues and happenings are quite the same. The ones without free will, or those who give into a Demonic, can be possessed, if not influenced to a massive degree. There is help out there but back in the 70's and previously, they didnt have the psychological and medical testing they have now, to rule out a physical or mental disorder. The Psychiatrist I went to, said she had ONE documented case of a possession, and wasnt shocked by my story. I thought she would roll her eyes and start writing prescriptions lol but she didnt. She wanted to see me again, once it was over to see how it went, plus I gave her some photos etc. I am, as I said, putting it out there, thats all. There are signs and symptoms that go with a Demonic haunting, and I only named a few. Thanks..JN

Sorry Akaebeel, I have completely overlooked this post. And everything you have said is what I believe as well. I believe that knowledge is power, and the more you learn about your mind, including preception, senses, thoughts and emotions, along with fear and personality - the more clearer the overall picture becomes, but I have also learned that people's belief systems, culture and social circle has a large impact on how they percieve things, and the world around them. It's truly too bad that some people cannot accept or respect that others see things differenty than they do.

The best part of this thread was the first paragraph. The rest is equally well said. Still trying to find out how poor old Harry Potter became the scapegoat in all this.

I'm not sure either, but it's not the first time I have heard it... I read Harry Potter, so does that mean I'm possessed?

Because it brings to mind the 'occult' and 'witchcraft' and that, in this modern era, is still considered 'evil' or a gateway to the 'demonic' and 'Satan.'

Then again, back in the day, ventriloquism was considered 'witchcraft' and closely tied in with 'necromancy.' (that is all true, I seriously couldn't make something like that up, even if I tried, lol.)so, it doesn't surprise me that some people would consider Harry Potter the PG version to the Gates of Hell.

I mean, not much difference between now and the 16th century. People are still afraid of the exact same things. They just have a new medium in which to express themselves. Text on screens.

-Akaebeel

ERK. Double delayed post.

Yep. But it still blows my mind how people don't get that it is FICTION!!!

Thanks Akaebeel for defining that, and that's why I was being sarcastic, Wicca is in my bloodline , along with native, and some people automatically assume that I am evil. In another post I had just outlined that I write fantasy, gothic and horror fiction, so I guess if Harry Potter is a Gate way to Hell, my stories would be the direct path to the devil and his army of doom and gloom.... It blows my mind too LadyHay, when the movie "The Exorist" hit the sliver screen, everyone raved how scary of a movie it was, I thought it was repulisive and uncalled for - simply nothing more than Propaganda rubbish, they have simply labeled a kids movie evil, because Harry Potter doesn't raise the hair on your neck, nor does it plant negative thoughts in your head, make you passout from fright, or have you puking in someones lap. As a Writer I'm use to the peanut gallery, it seems threy have nothing better to do than take things out of contex, twist it around and dish out critisim.

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire: Yea, I was serious about it. Though, I only had watched bits n pieces of the movies on Bell Express, and I never had read any of J.K. Rowling’s Harry Potter books. And, fiction is not my thing. But, what I meant was that there that general interest for the lil ones into Witchcraft, sorcery and evil forces. It’s unsuitable for the some of the Catholics. Some schools even had banned the book from their libraries. It may be insignificant but it’s um seeded into their lil’ minds. All they need to do is to “believe” in it..like some do w/ the Ouija Board. / I do envy the Ones, here and there, that truly witnessed something “paranormal” in their lives n to be outside of the natural world. True, that I have no knowledge of it. I just want something paranormal in my life and to challenge my senses for the rest of my life…just once. I’m in that category of people that “thinks” that they seen a Ghost/UFO. The only demons that I see sometimes is the next fix. I define the devil, in a religious sense, as a supernatural conscious Being, like God..w/o God, you are Lost and a open Portal. Supernatural and Paranormal has different meanings for me. The Paranormal is what is happening at the moment or a intrusion that cannot be explained, and the supernatural is a detachment of the Paranormal or imagined beings(god) that might interfere…
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I agree with mostly everything you said and "The Exorist" was repulsive and uncalled for. Yes it was a scary movie, it is the only movie that scares me but it is not in a "good" scare. It's in a scare that just shouldn't have been widely "glorified" as a great movie. Idk that's just my thoughts.

Ahh Primordial, I truly feel for you and wish that I could send you a few of my ghost and alien vistors, but it seems they unwilling to leave. Even the devil preferes a good home cooked meal when he smells one... Red hot spicy barabque wings and dipping sauce, toss around a few of thoes and he'll be sure to come to your house for dinner...LOL

As to the OP.... They can enter through many ways. It can be through something you think is innocent and just entertaining. I will use the ouija board as an example. You are opening the door to a world we don't belong in and that gives demons the right to affect you. I know few people would agree to the list of those types of things I would consider no-no's, but I have dealt with it personally and am still dealing with it occasionally. Demons are real and they absolutely hate us. They want to destroy us. They will use different methods to do that, but there are many similarities. So you don't just have to say out loud, " I give you permission to mess with me". Last night, I was attacked in my sleep big time. I felt it/them "ripping" at me and it was as if they were trying to pull my soul out of my body. Needless to say, it was horrifying and shocking. I hollered out for them to get out in the name of Jesus and it was like they took a parting shot and smacked me before they went. I was NOT dreaming, had no paralysis and I know what I know. The covers were moving and the bed even shook. In my stupid youth, I dabbled in the occult and I ended up getting married to a man I later realized had some serious demons of his own, though he denied that they existed even when they were dancing on the bed. I could write twelve pages and still have more, but I won't take over this thread like that.

These problems of possessions or haunting are moral issues, and should be treated psychologically (the victims and the "devils"). Just doing an exorcism to, impetuously, expel them, don't solve the problem; instead, it can make it worse. It's naivety to try to expel someone you don't have control over. They will only leave when they want to or when God orders it. And God doesn't help impiety.

Who follows the TV series "A Haunting" will see that in most cases exorcism doesn't work, and the people finally end leaving the houses, not rarely running away and selling them to other ingenuous buyers. These devils, I repeat, can be susceptible to receive moral instructions and if succeeded, the haunting will have a definitive end. Otherwise, if there is an end, it will be a temporary end, and it may come back stronger than before.

"Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven. (Mt 18:10)

"Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish". (Mt 18:14)

“It's impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come! It would be better for him if a milestone were hung around his neck, and were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend ones of these little ones. Take heeds to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; if he repents, forgive him. (Luke 17:1-3)

“For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.” (Mt 16:25)

“Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me”, and “Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. (Mt 25:40-45)

Instead of making exorcisms, you should hear the word that the exorcists should have heard.

It's an opinion.

Best Regards.

You should keep a journal, it would make for a great story... I too lived with a man who had many personal demons and wasn't at all afraid to let them out, he was a visual artist and painted the suckers on the wall to watch every move I made. He even predicted a war that had not happened and the 9/11 attack, all in visual art.... It was surly frightening, but I refused to give in and show him fear. I found his talent to draw and predict truly amazing and so I began to stress that point in a very postive way, it worked for a while until the cocain began to eat his brain.

(((GIN))) Hi, Nice to read you again. No matter how many of us explain how these monsters can wreak havoc on our lives, physically, emotionally and spiritually, most wont understand. The upside is, there are several of us here that do get it, and been there, done it. Do you practice St.Michael's prayer at night like I do? I find that keeps it at bay for the most part. I am so sorry you have been going thru this, but you are strong and that much I can tell. Hang in there my friend. God Bless..JN

Hi, I must disagree. I do not consider Demonic hauntings, a moral issue. More of an invasion from an unforseen entity who detests humans, and will go to any extreme to bring them down to ITS level, or let them die, they dont care. I had my home exorcised twice and it is GONE..Because of the home, my apartment was the only one cleansed, and blessed/fumigated. Its still lingers outside, and let it stay there. So do we coexist with them, go to church more ofen, or ignore them? My answer is, get some outside help before someone gets really hurt. As I said, you dont know unless you've been thru it. Of course I couldnt expel them, but my Religious Demologist did. People should never confront these monsters, or they should be prepared to be harmed in any way shape or form. This has nothing to do with psychological issues, except for during the haunting, it can cause lots of emotions we never even knew we had..JN

Personal demons, such a drug abuse, does not qualify as a Demonic possession or haunting. The metaphor is "he had his own demons" and its not even close to the real thing. Thanks for sharing it though..JN

Thanks leafar, I follow the show 'A Haunting' very close and have noticed the very same thing, I also know that an exorcism can cause more harm than good, and agree that psychological help should always be considered.

Drug addiction is demon possession, take a look.

http://www.forces.org/evidence/download/de..._possession.pdf

Thanks, but again thats an article written in another Australia, indicating that demon possession is sort a parallel to drug addiction, being caught up in the madness so to speak. Addictions can be caused by genetics, enviornmental, and sometimes dual diagnosis, such as depression/addiction. The AMA describes it as a disease. Addicts can be influenced by evil but so can anyone, even those not addicted to anything. JN

I think that a possession can certainly amplify an addiction. Not sure if the addicition is because of the possession. I must say, there was many a night I drank myself silly before I went to bed so I would be too out of it to notice the antics of the b*******.

It's great to see that we have an expert onboard, very few of us wish to be the Devil's advocate, or his spokes person...LOL

For a long time here I was known as DemonWatcher, that is for a reason. As a child, I encouraged one of these demonic beings, to become a part of me, He was my guardian then, simply known as Watcher, or Eyes of the Night, This partnership began as my thirst for power grew, but He showed me what I contain inside, and since then two more have chosen to stay at my side, the only ones who have noticed are my little brother, my sister, and my best friend.
MY point is not of these Demons are evil, the ones that guard me aren't other wise they would have left me years ago.

to answer the OP, in order for some demons to take a host, they must make themselves known to that person, that way they know for sure if they are welcome. Others will take by force, and some will take by subversion, all while messing with the way your mind and brain work in concert, so when they leave you are either in a worse place or a better one.

Thanks Kiryan, that made sense, I guess my first hubby invited these demons that bared the gift to predict to enter and stay with him as a sort of watcher over his soul?

I am very concerned that anyone would think a demon could be good. It just isn't in thier nature. They are able to feign goodness, but that doesn't stay. It would be like thinking you could tame a full grown polar bear and keep it in your apartment and take it for walks to the dogpark without any trouble. It's trouble waiting to happen.

Not everyone percieves things in the same way, if we did than there would be no such word as unique.