To all those who beileve in the Dragonic Deities

please vist here and tell me about them for i too am a beilever because i was visted by The Father of Dragons, IO please let me know

have you had any experiances with dragons
have you ever been visted by a Dragonic Deity
do think the dragons live or they have gone from this world

let me know what you all think i thank you

Dragon Seeker,
Strong Beilever in the Dragons

Or were dragons just the products of over-active imaginations and fossils mistaken as "dragon bones"?

How did he visit you and how can we be certain he did.

We cant

Que DC ins 5....4....3....2....

LOL, you don't actually think anyone (besides DC) is going to believe you were visited by a dragon... do you? just wondering

If you’re serious, you might want to consider seeking professional help... I mean a psychiatrist, not a dragon slayer...

::gets out sword and shiny armor::

A cave or a castle this time? Is the princess blond or brunette?

Since it’s ‘The Father of Dragons’, an airstrike might be more effective... the OP doesn’t give their gender, so it may be a Prince...

were you visited in a dream or something? Can you be more specific? Dragons may be real, but so are demons.

Or perhaps neither of them are, and you just have a very healthy, very active imagination?

I was just pointing out that one should not conclude that a large being with sharp teeth means you well.

or maybe we should just respect what people belive and not say they r crazy


in my religon they r great loving spirits so eveyone has an opinion

No one said he/she was crazy (though pax unum implied it)



So they do. What religion is that? I am always interested to find out about people's beliefs.

well i just sent u a message on it thi is not a place to disscus it not our bored

this has gone worse then i had hoped now i need to know how to make it dissapear please help with this if you can

Are you dreaming about it and where is it appearing ??

What do the dragons do? In the dream and in your religion, how was this religion founded?

Angel x

To Dragon Seeker:

Welcome to Unexplained Mysteries. It seems some of our members have forgotten a basic nicety of civilization: To welcome a traveller.


When you say that you believe in dragons, are you referring to a religious belief system? Or are you saying that you believe dragons did, and apparantly, still exist?

Could you perhaps describe what you mean by 'visited' and what exactly is the father of dragons?

*sigh* OK, except for the welcome part, ignor the rest ofmy previous post.

By now, I should know enough to do a little research before taking this place too seriously.

From Dragon Seeker, in another thread:



Child, all I can say is: put away the fantasy games and books, seek professional competent mental health practioners, and open your eyes to reality.

Good luck, good life, and good journey

Dragonseeker,

Though most Christians do not realize it, their principal deity (Yahweh) can be traced back to Enki, whose hyms proclaim him the "Great Dragon of Eridu". And this Enki does all of the same feats as Yahweh, though much earlier. In Canaan he was called Yaw, or Yam, and also considered a dragon, then Yahweh, and finally Jehovah, or simply "God".

So the majority of people in America "worship the dragon", and dragons are still acknowledged as beneficient creatures in much of the oriental world.

But understand that dragons were never the supreme deity in these religions. They are surrogate gods to a non-dragon creator being called Anu in Sumeria and Elohim in Western Asia. Jews and Christians however have melded the Creator Elohim and the tribal dragon god of the Hebrews into one entity, even though the Bible is clear that hey are two seperate entities, and that there were at least 70 more of the dragon tribal gods like Yahweh.

Here are some facts, taken from one of my previous posts.

1. The highest heavenly creatures are called Seraphim, a word which the highly esteemed and scholarly Jewish Enclyclopedia states means "fiery flying serpent", though medieval Christians have transformed these "dragons" into the more familiar, swan-winged, "cartoon" angels of popular culture. When the ancient Jews translated the word Seraphim into Greek, the word they used was drakon, which is the word our modern "dragon" is derived from.

2. The only graven image/idol Yahweh ever permits is that of a "fiery flying serpent", obviously his personal image, This image has supernatural powers, and Yahweh allows it to be freely worshipped in Solomon's temple. As soon as the idol is broken, disaster befalls Israel and it has never recovered until the late 20th century.

3. The flood story of Genesis is believed by most Biblical scholars to be a "retelling" of near identical, yet far older Sumerian versions in which the God name Enlil, who is also subservient to a greater Creator God is called "a Great Serpent-Dragon of Heaven". His hymns also associate him with rainbows as we see in Genesis, and he is called "the good shepherd".

4. Some scholars acknowledge that the Name Yahweh comes from the Cannanite Dragon God Yaw, who like the Biblical Yahweh is a god of storms and floods, but is a "son" of the true Creator Elohim, also the name of the Creator in Genesis, not Yahweh.

5. Virtually every world culture had identified the winged intelligent dragon as a real creature, and most of the earliest cultures recognize it as the creatue that brought them knowledge of agriculture and technology. This is also true in the Judaic legends with the reptilian "watchers".

6. In Exodous, Yahweh leaves his dragon sized tent, and flies ahead of the Israelites to burn away impassable briars and scorpions. He marks the route by spewing smoke and fire.

7. Yahweh plops his huge dragon body in the bed of the Jordan River upstream to divert its flow so the Hebrews can cross its bed to attack Jericho.

8. He is specifically described spewing fire from his mouth and smoke from his nostrils, exactly like the dragon like Leviathan that the Bible states he "plays" with. (A female dragon?)

9. Many biblical passages imply that Yahweh physically consumed his meat offerings unlike the "fake" gods of other cultures. The Bible is very specific that Yahweh wanted salt on his meat as well, suggesting these offereing were physically consumed and not merely burned to ashes.

10. Like many legendary dragons, Yahweh occasionally "consumes" humans as well, to include disobedient Israelites. In scripture, Yahweh demanded the first born of all Israelites, but the bible says it was possible to pay him money instead, on a sliding scale, also indicating the univesal dragon love of hoarding treasure.

11. The preferred prey of dragons in most cultures are "human virgins" for reasons which are not entirely understood. This trait is very apparent in the Bible as well, where Moses presents Yahweh with 32 Midianite virgins after the Israelite destruction of this tribe. No more is said of them so we can only assume they were "consumed" .

12. The Persian Zoroastrians, whom share much reiligous doctrine with Christianity clearly state in their own scriptures (the Denkard), that the "God" of Judaism and Christianity who watched of the Israelites and provided their laws was a dragon, and brother to the dragon Ahriman in their own religion. Interestingly, the storm dragon of Sumeria who flooded the world happened to be brother to the dragon Enki who livied the the garden of Eden and who "tricked" a man named "Adam" out of eternal life.

13. Some Christian gnostics also state Yahweh is a dragon in their scriptures.

14. Jesus stated the Pharisees were worshipping a creature that was NOT his father. Many Christians claim Jesus meant Satan, but this does not make sense, for the Jews clearly worshipped Yahweh and clearly recognized Satan as a distinctly different creature which they definately DID NOT worship. Could Jesus have been referring to the Yahweh dragon? After all he did not call to Yahweh from the cross, but to El. The first paragraphs of the Bible show these are two different entities, for El's creation story is completely different from Yahweh's, far less scientific one.

15. Yahweh is described with with enormous wings in the Bible, which along with his breathing fire and consuming lambs, calves and virgins are a common dragon attribute.

The list goes on in on, but you'll have to wait for the book.

Come on, guys, just because somebody believes in something doesn't make them crazy. I mean I don't believe in dragonic deities myself but i will still respect Seeker's beliefs. I'm a psychotherapist and it still irks me when somebody tells people to go get professional help without hearing them out.

you must be kidding, even Dragon Seeker himself doesn't believe dragons are still around... so his claim of meeting a dragon is either a joke/lie or he's delusional... IMO


BTW, please note how Dragon Seeker would like to use dragons if he could re-create them, he’d kill people, that’s really sane and mature thinking, right?...

As this thread illustrates, this is a difficult subject for many to treat seriously. But it is a serious subject. The question of dragons in religion and spirituality is a valid one.

While I know of no religion wholly dedicated to dragons, they are prominent in many. There was Quetziquaotal, the feathered serpent of the Aztecs, Jormingand the Midguard Serpent of the Norse (similar to the Orobourous of Europe, and similar world spanning serpent dragons in India). Dragons were often the direct servants of the gods in Greece, as well as opponents (such as Typhon and Python in Greece, and Apophis in Egypt). In China, the dragons supported the Celestial bureaucracy, and were responsible for maintaining the weather and seas.

I suspect that in many cases of "evil" dragon legends, we may have a case where a local dragon guardian or spirit of one culture was literally demonized into the monster of the conquering culture.

well WEREGIRL666 and Dragonic Chronicler thank you for the help

and Archosaur you are correct in a way i can see its difficult for people to take this seriously but this is serious, i want to know if there are others who believe in the Dragonic Deities as i do. DC, you have cleary illustrated a point there as well.


now Archosaur in the cases of the "evil" dragon legands they are probably about the Chromatic dragons, or just if some1 got to close to a red dragons treasure hoard... but please let me know are there others who beleive like i do?

if so please put in a post or send me a pm

also if this go's anyworse i need to know how to make this thread dissapear and dissapear fast.

Well in that case, just whip out your trusty +2 Vorpal Blade and lop of its head........


You "seem" to be asking some legitimate questions, and then you make a ridiculous statement like the above and wonder why:
A - no one takes you seriously,
And
B - why people don't take dragonlore seriously.

you are correct, and i guess this isnt really the place to make such jokes... however i do ask you to all those who truly believe in dragons as a relgious thing, what are your beliefs and whom do they belong to? mine personally, would have to belong to The Father of the Dragons (that is his title and so shall i use it for it would be blasfomus to speak his true name) but what are others or are there even others out there like me please dont be afraid to post here i myself can guarantee that you shall recieve no critisisum from myself, otheres i cannot give you such effort but i can tell you i wont judge you for i too am a believer of the dragons and i hope 1 day that i either get to meet them or bring them back

It is pretty clear that most of your dragon background comes from role playing games and their offshoot novels of those games. There is nothing in ancient dragon accounts of dragons being "good" or "evil" based on their color. The people who write that stuff are merely trying to make entertaining games and stories that are easy to understand by dividing dragons into opposing sides by color, much like red and black checkers. I would recommend you study ancient dragon lore and the significant role of these creatures in virtually every religion (despite the cover-up in some like Christianity), than the stuff simply invented out of thin air by fantasy authors and game designers.

In His recorded scriptures, the dragon Yaw/Yahweh freely admits he does good as well as evil, though his later followers have invented another, "bad" dragon to be responsible for the evil, contradicting the earlier scriptures.

But as for dragons returning to the world to punish the wicked as you suggest, this was once a commonly held belief in Christianity, and in many other cultures as well. It was believed the dragons would be sent to wipe out the wickedest third of mankind in AD 1000, for example, and the people seem to have made the Pope of that time into a Saint for convincing God not to "release the dragons" in their time.

Is your book published yet DC?

Actually, the Greek and Hebrew word for "Seraphim" is... "Seraphim". The Hebrews never translated it as "drakon", you're just making that up.

Etymonline.com

man all i can ask is like the others what is the basis for your beliefs in dragon deities from books and related literature

there are valid text and writings wich dwell in to the dragon being a form of deitie and other so called myths that provide valid points of view on such though from the post you have placed here personaly i would suggest some blue pills and a bottle of jack before bed

Among other things

We have gone over this time and time again. When all else fails, try using the JEWISH Encyclopedia, you know, the people who understand Hebrew. In this, the hebrew fluent scholars state the Seraphim are winged reptiles, and we also see these dragons displayed on the menorah of the great temple, the holiest of Jewish temple objects after the ark of the covenant.

Christians are very selective as to Hebrew word meanings. In numbers, God tells Moses to Make a Seraph on a pole. Here, nobody argues that this is an imagbe of a serpent, or more correctly a fiery flying serpent (the idol of Yahweh).

But in Isaiah these same fiery flying serpents are the highest heavenly creatures that surround the throne of God. So here, they must be winged humanoid cartoon angels, because christians cannot deal with dragons being the highest heavenly creatures, even though there is overwhelming proof of this.

And yes, in ANCIENT Papyri, the Jewish priests translated the word Seraphim in Hebrew to Drakons in Greek. The ancient texts do not lie. It is modern christians who live the lie because they cannot accept what the Bible really says so simply invent new meanings they are more comfortable with.

I strongly suspect you know even less about this than C&D, (if such a thing is possible).

Soon............. very soon............................

Oh really? I strongly suspect you don't know what I know / don't know...

and what exacly do you know that we dont eh?

o and DC what is ur book on?

Or maybe we are logical and don't believe every piece of silliness we read.

Thank you, draconic chronicler, I appreciate your snide behavior. It has been duly noted that I know nothing and care nothing of your "draconic" fantasies, as I do not believe in the Hebrew God, therefore I do not care about his origins. You on the other hand, obviously have an ax to grind with the Judeo-Christian religions, and I will kindly step aside and watch two fairy tales duke it out.

On a side note though, I read in someones profile that you said something along the lines of claiming that thousands of people each year disappear, courtesy of your dragon friends.
Again, duly noted.


P.s. Layoff the calling the Abrahamic religions out on "worshiping dragons". For the following reasons: 1. I have yet to see you do anything other than babble on about how you know this and that, yet I never see you post links, verily making it impossible for me to take you seriously, and 2. its annoying enough when I have to deal with the mainstream religious shoving their dogma in my face, the last thing I need to hear is "we all worship dragons, rarrarrarrar".

That dragons don't exist and that its a poor health decision to sit in a basement all day plotting about how you're going to "make everyone pay" when you "resurrect the dragons".

o that right well thats on the back burner besides if i do sucseed i'll take personal success then my revenge but only on the ppl who really made life a living hell (aka half the kids in my school unfortunalty)

Im just going to go over here now... ::takes big step to the side::

I have given you the source, the article on Seraphim in the Jewish Encyclopedia. I have probably posted it a dozen times here, and yet another person crawls out of the woodwork oblivious that thsi has been discussed so many timess before. You are the one making the the snide remarks that I am making this stuff up. So yes, you are wrong. You know nothing about this so why make stupid claims that I am wrong, when I have provided the most reputable source of all for Hebrew scripture.

The book postulates that the dragons of world-wide myth and religion are real creatures evidently instructed by a higher power to watch over and instruct mankind until sufficiently civilized, and then faded into obscurity, though still on our world, but now perceived to be creatures like Lake Monsters and Sea Serpents. Because they are intelligent, they easily avoid the scientific expedition to capture them becasue the searchers think they are dealing with mere, stupid animals.

dude that sounds really interesting whats the title? i think i might just get myself a copy...

and by lake monsters and sea serpents you mean like the Ogopogo and the Loc Ness Monster right or did you mean something along the lines of a Leviathan

dude you got very little to worry about i mean what have you really done right? shure theres the ocational critsisum but big deal i get that all the time, no i mean the people i have to go to school with and put up with on a daily basis and those who taunght me riddicule me, tell me im crazy, well one day i will end up showing all of them that they were wrong about me, but you as a person have nothing to worry about

Seeker, please tell me you didn't just say: "someday I will show them all".

Please find a subject or project (mythology, science, whatever) to put your energy into rather than obsessing about revenge. A quick scan of the news channels can show where that can only lead...

And thats why no one here takes you seriously DC.

Undoubtedly there are some serious connections between the Judeo-Christian God and old pagan Gods, such as Yaw and El, however I don't see any real evidence in the Bible that Yahweh was thought of as a dragon. You often cite certain things that Yahweh supposedly did, such as "eat virgins" or other whatnots, but you never cite any verses. Until you start doing that, I'm just going to sit back, continue rolling my eyes, and laugh.

I'm still waiting for your commentary on why you think dragons are responsible for many of the unresolved disappearances world wide... btw.

Heres your quote: Think of the tens of thousands of people who totally vanish without a trace every year. Of course they are not abducted by aliens, that would be just silly. They are obviously eaten by dragons.

It was actually a waterfront pub. And she wasn't really a princess. More like a randy barmaid with royal ambiitons. Brunette, but with blonde highlights.
And it wasn't really a dragon. Just an ill-tempered cane toad. Big old ripper, he was! But a nice looping soccer kick sent him into the lake.

Because of DC's response in another thread, that may simply be a sexual metaphor.

you know your right, however by the "i'll show them all" little tid bit i ment that i'd show them that im not the same loser they used to pick on, and as a matter of fact, they'd be lucky just to clean my septic tank thats what i ment, that one day i'll make them wish they had never been mean to me because oh what do you know im your boss now, now whats the most disgusting job i can imagine for you....

that willl be my revenge being a rich snob to those who treated me like i was less then sh**

that has been my full intent all along however i guess i havent really made that clear




what are you talking about i think DC is serious and i think he's right too