check all........................................

http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/off....pa.us/quet.htm


hmmmmmmmm

AF

Just a thought . But i couldn't help but wonder with all the prehistoric sightings around the world big foot , nessy , big birds and many more if there is some sort of time vortex they slip in and out of . I think this because all the sightings of prehistoric animals are in short spirts of time then they're gone for a while

This happened 32 years ago... a little late but interesting. i wish i was alive when it happened, i live only a few minutes away from San Benito....

hey dinosaurs are alive. check it..........................

VIDEOS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3IYcCqq9tk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxMJIyWKKDA


SOURCE ARTICLES


http://www.dinosauria.com/jdp/misc/africa.htm


http://www.sabruk.org/examiner/13/buenavista.html


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AF

VIDS
1. A recreation of what scientists would happen if dinosaurs would be like today. I watched the documentary.
2. Joke?

Dinosaurs aren't alive its basically a proven fact. Furthermore this topic should be in Cryptozoology, AND the Texas report in the OP was of a pterosaur, not a dinosaur.

By and large I agree with undeadsceptic except there are exeptions to every rule and here's one

Coelacanth ("see-la-kanth"), that 400 million year old "living fossil" fish, swims on- a biological Time Machine. Pre-dating the dinosaurs by millions of years and once thought to have gone extinct with them, 65 million years ago, the Coelacanth with its "missing link" "proto legs" was "discovered" alive and well in 1938.

but absolutley the large land based mammals such as mentioned have long gone.

Actually what you just siad about the Coelacanth is a common misconception, google it.

A pterosaur is a type of dinosaur. Sort of like how snakes are a type of reptile.

A fact cannot be "basically proven" It either is proven or is not. And that is one "fact" that cannot be proven, only supported by evidence (lack of dino sightings). There have been precedents of nearly extinct animals found alive, not to mention the fact that new species are found regularly.

I am going to ignore you because you proved your ignorance by saying pterosaurs are dinosaurs. That is an extremely basic misconception that most children do not make that mistake. Do your research, or at least a quick google.

Are you going to provide a source? something to back you up? You made the claim, and the burden of proof is upon you. Or would you rather this degenerate in to the childishness of me saying yes you saying no back and forth for days? If you cannot verify your assertions, do not debate.

Edit: I am just going to do it for you, since you have no interest in actual debate yourself.

Q: What are pterosaurs?
A: Pterosaurs are a group of "reptiles" that have evolved powered flight. To be more precise, they are classified in a group called the Ornithodira or "bird necks", which in turn is a subgroup of the Archosaurs, or "ruling reptiles," that includes crocodiles, dinosaurs including birds, and "thecodonts." "Pterosaur" comes from two Greek words that together mean "winged lizard." The word "pterodactyl" is also often used. It means "wing finger" and it is an apt description; the wing of the pterosaur is supported mainly by an elongated fourth digit along the forward edge.

taken from http://www.geocities.com/originalravinray/pterosaur/

I bolded parts relevant. As you can see, the pterosaur is a member of a subgroup that includes dinosaurs. Therefore, a pterosaur is a form of dinosaur.

undeadsceptic ... I think you may be refering to one line entry in wikepedia which says that it is not a direct line decendant however the entry is preceeded with the warning "citation needed" which means that the claim is not fact, I am sure you are aware that wikepedia although a good sourse of information is available to be updated with inacurate information by none regulated sources.

dinofish.com says

"the fabulous Coelacanth ("see-la-kanth"), that 400 million year old "living fossil" fish, swims on- a biological Time Machine. Pre-dating the dinosaurs by millions of years and once thought to have gone extinct with them, 65 million years ago, the Coelacanth with its "missing link" "proto legs" was "discovered" alive and well in 1938."

Extinctanimal.com says

" The Coelacanth is the only living example of the fossil Coelacanth fishes Actinista. They are also the closest link between fish and the first amphibian creatures which made the transition from sea to land in the Devonian period (408-362 Million Years Ago). That such a creature could have existed for so long is nearly incredible, but some say that the cold depths of the West Indian ocean at which the Coelacanth thrives, and the small number of predators it has, may have helped the species survive eons of change."

Unless you have a specific website that youcan point to I don't propose to scour the other 294,000 sites in the hope of finding one saying it is not a living fossil which supercedes the dinosaurs

Humans and Elephants belong to the Mammal group. According to your logic Elephants are therefore a type of Human. You are embarrassing yourself my friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pterosaurs
Pterosaurs are sometimes referred to in the popular media as dinosaurs, but this is incorrect. The term "dinosaur" is properly restricted to a certain group of terrestrial reptiles with a unique upright stance (superorder Dinosauria), and therefore excludes the pterosaurs, as well as the various groups of extinct aquatic reptiles, such as ichthyosaurs, plesiosaurs, and mosasaurs.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1E1-pterosau.html

http://www.carnegiemnh.org/dinomite/fun/notalone_slide.htm

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa061702a.htm

Go to the library (Thats the place where those book-thingys are kept) go to the dinosaur section. Pick up a book at random. Flick through the pages until you come to the inevitabe pterosaur section, it will state, on that very page, that pterosaurs are not dinosaurs. Its a basic fact. Clearly if you are unaware of this then you have little or no paleontological knowledge and should not be pretending to have so on these forums.

Ah, well I trust you my friend.

Ok lets see. How many people are in the impression that elephants are a type of human?

And lets see. How many people are in the impression that petrosaur is a type of dinosaur?

From this, it shows. Its not what you know. Its what they think.

It's a TV show called Primeval, you saw it on ITV.


So you people mean to tell me these creatures survived one of the largest mass extinctions on Earth - then stayed EXACTLY THE SAME with very little evolution over 65 MILLION YEARS in tiny caves. How the hell did 40ft wingspans fit anywhere without us discovering them.

This is just ridiculous.

Wait r u on my side or what?

Dinosaus are alive today and it was found and lost in africa

Look Asif, you're well meaning, but sort of gullible. Don't believe everything you hear/read.
We need more proof than what you type.

So someone recently found a great big dinosaur in Africa and then carelessly lost it again ............ you have no proof, there is no coroborative evidence and we are all going to believe you, I don't think so !

Blessed are the feeble minded ... hehe

One would have to believe that if they indeed DID find a dinasour alive and well it probably would have made the news all around the world. This is the first I've heard of it and I'm sure MSNBC and CNN could've been all over that story. Not to discount what you are saying Asif, but I just don't buy it. This is just my opinion though. Were there any cavemen spotted with the dinasour? Just wondering.

You really don't know what you are talking about in regards to evolution. If an animal is highly succesful in its niche, it may not evolve at all.

Crocodiles stayed almost exactly the same for 200 million years so 65 mya is a drop in the bucket.

But I have it on good authority that the Texas Pterosaur was a dragon, a creatures known by man since the dawn of recorded history, and still reported today, all over the world. Most of the people in that region are devout fundamental christians and believe in the dragons in the Bible, so take dragon sighting in stride, and often don't even bother reporting them.

They have eluded detection becasue they are intelligent, and almost never fly during daylight hours.

I understand they are extremely effective deterrents to illegal alien crossings in the big bend region of Southern Texas, which is why a healthy population has established itself there, and accordingly seen on occassion.

Im sorry man even i don't buy that. Most of them are fundamental christians and therefore don't report sightings of dragons?
Thats a fair bit over the top don't you reckon... and now dragons are also on border petrol? thats pretty wild buddy

yeah im with him dont buy it

I didn't say they were government employees of the border patrol, I merely explained why they have been reported in that specific geographical location.

It doesn't matter if you don't 'buy it', becasue many people have sighted the creatures there.

Any chance of any specific names ? or actual sources of these eye witness reports?

And yes thanks, i realised that the government doesn't hire dragons to keep the mexicans out

I believe there has been a book and also a full hour tv show primarily about the Texas Pterosaurs.

Well can i get the title of the book and the name of the author ?

Infecting yet another forum, DC?

What, pray tell, is your "good authority?" Inquiring minds, and I'm sure this will be a doozey.

Surely its the president, he's from those parts

Surely its the president, he's from those parts

Dinosaurs in texas? Dang lol they will not last long there. I wonder how long it will be before a T-rex is stuffed and mounted on the wall? Well not only do we got to worry about illegals carrieing nuke into the US but now we have to add dino's.

"We are winning the Iraq war, what do you mean civillian death numbers are up? Uhhh... hey look a dinosaur!"


BtW, check out the cryptozoology sections for Draconic Chronicler's topics about dragons. You might enjoy the debate.

so many ppl reported seeing this thing but not one pic to prove tut tut

Well as DC will tell you, its because they are either such devout christians that they accept dragons as nothing more then everyday sightings of birds.
Or they are illegal aliens trying to cross the border, and they either get eaten or no one believes them

Does that mean it is a bird and a crocodilian too? By your logic it does.




















Your logic is wrong by the way.

What authority? Do you have a source for this? Where is your evidence?
And despite YOUR, belief, most Christians do not believe that their deity is a dragon and do not follow your interpretation of Bible. Sorry.
I like the way you completely ignore the most logical and likely outcome that being it was not a pterosaur or a dragon.

Coelacanths that survive today are not the same species that where about 65 mya. In fact they are not even the same genus, the extant ones are Latimeria which is a genus with no extinct species known in it.

Same can be same for crocodiles DC. But you will probably fail to respond or just outright deny the fact that you are incorrect . Like when it was shown that humans can in fact run nearly twice as fast as any crocodilian.

i think you guys from the lone star state have been drinking too much bootleg tequila and taking too much payote!

[quote name='Mattshark' date='Apr 13 2008, 10:17 PM' post='2244808']
Coelacanths that survive today are not the same species that where about 65 mya. In fact they are not even the same genus, the extant ones are Latimeria which is a genus with no extinct species known in it.


Is it me ? I am no expert and I wouldn't fight you over it because clearly fish is your field of expertise but your statement just doesn't make sense to me "extant ones are Latimeria which is a genus with no extinct species known in it." so I can only go with what I have been told and what I have read in books and found on the web and all the sites I have found describe it as a living fossil and that really is good enough for me.

Just remember the internet is the biggest source of crap to ever have existed.

Current coelacanths are all in the genus known as Latimeria. There are two current extant species with in that genera.
None of the extinct species of coelacanths are in the the genus Latimeria they are in different genera.
A genus is a group used in biological classification. Animals in the same genera are generally more related to animals in there genera than they are to those in other genera. Our genera is for example Homo. The genera is used in binominal nomenclature along with the species name (which as you know with humans is sapiens)
The fact that the current extant (still living) species of coelacanth are different than those found 64 mya shows they have indeed changed in that time.

Hope that helps.