The folowing website claims a massive conspiracy on cancer cures. I'd like us to use this thread to try and prove or disprove it's premise.
http://cancertutor.com/Other/NoCancer.html
It is extensive, but very imformative. If you keep reading through Intro Part 1 and Part 2, the author presents the most compelling case for a true conspiracy.
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An excerpt from cancertutor.com:
Why You Haven't Heard These Things Before
Everything you hear throughout your life is not based on who has the most truth, it is based on who has the most money. If you haven't figured that out by now, you better figure it out real quick.
The average American knows absolutely nothing about alternative cancer treatments except rumors about people who probably used the wrong treatment. Let us consider the reasons for this lack of accurate and useful information about alternative cancer treatments with the following list of facts:
Fact #1) Virtually every American gets the vast majority of their information directly or indirectly from the media, which includes television, radio, newspapers, magazines, etc. Only the Internet, books and emails would not be considered part of the "media."
Fact #2) The pharmaceutical industry spends $3 billion a year advertising in the media.
Fact #3) In the 1940s, the book: The Drug Story was published by newspaper owner Morris Bealle. This book exposed the vast corruption in the media due to advertising dollars. In other words, it exposed why newspapers (this was before television) refused to tell the truth about corruption in corporations due to their fear of losing advertising dollars to these same corrupt corporations.
However, it was well known long before the 1940s that advertising money bought influence with the media. Actually, this was known no later than the 1880s. In other words, for more than 100 years the media has clearly understood that if you say things in the media that are true, but cut into the profits of your advertisers, you will quickly lose not only your advertising revenue from that company, but possibly from many other companies as well (who also fear any type of honesty).
Consider this quote by a famous journalist to a group of other journalists, given in the 1880s:
"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history [1880], in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job.
If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his [human] race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
John Swinton (1829-1901) pre-eminent New York journalist & head of the editorial staff at the New York Tribune. Quoted one night between 1880-1883.
Quoted by Upton Sinclair in his 1919 book:
The Brass Check: A Study of American Journalism, page 400
Even though Upton Sinclair was famous by 1919, because he was criticizing corruption in the media, he had to self-publish this book.
Absolutely nothing has changed since the 1880s.
Fact #4) As a result of the above item, and the $3 billion a year spent by the pharmaceutical industry in the media, American journalists are required to publicly be highly, highly loyal to the pharmaceutical industry. A single verbal slip by a journalist on or off the air could cost him or her their job. Prior approval by the advertisers is required to say anything mildly negative about the pharmaceutical industry.
These same rules apply to most major industries, not just the pharmaceutical industry.
Fact #5) The orthodox cancer treatments (e.g. surgery, chemotherapy, radiation and many others) used in "modern" medicine are equally subservient to the pharmaceutical industry. Actually, "modern" medicine was corrupt long before the pharmaceutical industry took over the medical schools many decades ago. Medical doctors, who are under the control of the American Medical Association, are not allowed to use any natural substance in the treatment of cancer. Modern "doctors" are taught nothing but medicine using prescription drugs.
Medical doctors are only allowed to use natural substances in the treatment of the symptoms of prescription drugs. This is called "complementary alternative medicine" or CAM. CAM is not designed to treat any disease!
Because of the money of the pharmaceutical industry: the medical community, the media and the politicians are all subservient to the pharmaceutical industry. All are in the same bed together.
There are many books that have been written on these subjects.
Fact #6) While vitamin companies can advertise in the media, the substances which are used in the most potent natural or alternative cancer treatments are never advertised in the media. Thus, the media receives $0 dollars of advertising related to viable alternative cancer treatments.
Thus, there is a $3 billion dollar difference between what the pharmaceutical industry spends on advertising and what is spent for the main substances used in alternative cancer treatments. There is an equally proportional difference in the opinions you gather from watching or reading the media.
Fact #7) Taking all of the above items into account, is it any wonder that the average American hears nothing good about alternative cancer treatments anywhere in the media, but hears hundreds or thousands of good things about orthodox medicine in the media every year (thousands if you include pharmaceutical advertisements).
You might not remember hearing anything good about orthodox medicine. Every time you watch a role-playing show on television that glorifies a doctor or hospital you are being indoctrinated. Every time you hear a news program that implies you should go to your orthodox doctor for some problem, you are being indoctrinated. Every time you hear a pharmaceutical ad you are being indoctrinated.
But you never hear anything positive about alternative cancer treatments. This is by design.
An Even Bigger Reason For The Great Deception
But the problem is much deeper than just advertising money. The issue of cross-ownership and cross-board of directors control is a far more significant reason for the great deception.
For example, as this article is being written, General Electric owns 80% of the NBC network. General Electric also owns 14 major NBC affiliates. General Electric's partner, Telemundo (which owns the other 20% of NBC), owns 16 major television stations. By the way, GE now owns Telemundo.
Why is this significant? General Electric has a major division called: "GE Healthcare." This division includes "GE Medical Systems Information Technologies," "GE Healthcare Cintricity Pharmacy" (which has sold about 6 billion prescriptions) and other orthodox health related organizations.
All of these organizations, and many more, are heavily involved in orthodox medicine. Thus, the same company, General Electric, has major ownership in both the media and orthodox medicine.
CBS has a longstanding advertising policy that prohibits the sale of advertising time for the advocacy of viewpoints on controversial issues of public importance. In other words, they can censor any advertisement they want. So much for freedom of the press. The press has the freedom, but not the people.
A local FOX station in Florida fired two of its reporters, Jane Akre and Steve Wilson, for refusing to back down on an investigative reporting segment that exposed Monsanto chemical company for adding a toxic chemical, BGH, which causes cancer, to milk. The national FOX network has stood solidly behind the Florida station. Are you surprised?..........
Sorry to have just cut and pasted this here, but since no one has responded, I wondered if people didn't find it an interesting conspiracy enough, so thought I'd save some people some time and cut to this small excerpt which lays the groundwork for the conspiracy acusation cancertutor.com presents.
Why You Haven't Heard These Things Before
Everything you hear throughout your life is not based on who has the most truth, it is based on who has the most money. If you haven't figured that out by now, you better figure it out real quick.
The average American knows absolutely nothing about alternative cancer treatments except rumors about people who probably used the wrong treatment. Let us consider the reasons for this lack of accurate and useful information about alternative cancer treatments with the following list of facts:
Fact #1) Virtually every American gets the vast majority of their information directly or indirectly from the media, which includes television, radio, newspapers, magazines, etc. Only the Internet, books and emails would not be considered part of the "media."
Fact #2) The pharmaceutical industry spends $3 billion a year advertising in the media.
Fact #3) In the 1940s, the book: The Drug Story was published by newspaper owner Morris Bealle. This book exposed the vast corruption in the media due to advertising dollars. In other words, it exposed why newspapers (this was before television) refused to tell the truth about corruption in corporations due to their fear of losing advertising dollars to these same corrupt corporations.
However, it was well known long before the 1940s that advertising money bought influence with the media. Actually, this was known no later than the 1880s. In other words, for more than 100 years the media has clearly understood that if you say things in the media that are true, but cut into the profits of your advertisers, you will quickly lose not only your advertising revenue from that company, but possibly from many other companies as well (who also fear any type of honesty).
Consider this quote by a famous journalist to a group of other journalists, given in the 1880s:
"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history [1880], in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job.
If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his [human] race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
John Swinton (1829-1901) pre-eminent New York journalist & head of the editorial staff at the New York Tribune. Quoted one night between 1880-1883.
Quoted by Upton Sinclair in his 1919 book:
The Brass Check: A Study of American Journalism, page 400
Even though Upton Sinclair was famous by 1919, because he was criticizing corruption in the media, he had to self-publish this book.
Absolutely nothing has changed since the 1880s.
Fact #4) As a result of the above item, and the $3 billion a year spent by the pharmaceutical industry in the media, American journalists are required to publicly be highly, highly loyal to the pharmaceutical industry. A single verbal slip by a journalist on or off the air could cost him or her their job. Prior approval by the advertisers is required to say anything mildly negative about the pharmaceutical industry.
These same rules apply to most major industries, not just the pharmaceutical industry.
Fact #5) The orthodox cancer treatments (e.g. surgery, chemotherapy, radiation and many others) used in "modern" medicine are equally subservient to the pharmaceutical industry. Actually, "modern" medicine was corrupt long before the pharmaceutical industry took over the medical schools many decades ago. Medical doctors, who are under the control of the American Medical Association, are not allowed to use any natural substance in the treatment of cancer. Modern "doctors" are taught nothing but medicine using prescription drugs.
Medical doctors are only allowed to use natural substances in the treatment of the symptoms of prescription drugs. This is called "complementary alternative medicine" or CAM. CAM is not designed to treat any disease!
Because of the money of the pharmaceutical industry: the medical community, the media and the politicians are all subservient to the pharmaceutical industry. All are in the same bed together.
There are many books that have been written on these subjects.
Fact #6) While vitamin companies can advertise in the media, the substances which are used in the most potent natural or alternative cancer treatments are never advertised in the media. Thus, the media receives $0 dollars of advertising related to viable alternative cancer treatments.
Thus, there is a $3 billion dollar difference between what the pharmaceutical industry spends on advertising and what is spent for the main substances used in alternative cancer treatments. There is an equally proportional difference in the opinions you gather from watching or reading the media.
Fact #7) Taking all of the above items into account, is it any wonder that the average American hears nothing good about alternative cancer treatments anywhere in the media, but hears hundreds or thousands of good things about orthodox medicine in the media every year (thousands if you include pharmaceutical advertisements).
You might not remember hearing anything good about orthodox medicine. Every time you watch a role-playing show on television that glorifies a doctor or hospital you are being indoctrinated. Every time you hear a news program that implies you should go to your orthodox doctor for some problem, you are being indoctrinated. Every time you hear a pharmaceutical ad you are being indoctrinated.
But you never hear anything positive about alternative cancer treatments. This is by design.
An Even Bigger Reason For The Great Deception
But the problem is much deeper than just advertising money. The issue of cross-ownership and cross-board of directors control is a far more significant reason for the great deception.
For example, as this article is being written, General Electric owns 80% of the NBC network. General Electric also owns 14 major NBC affiliates. General Electric's partner, Telemundo (which owns the other 20% of NBC), owns 16 major television stations. By the way, GE now owns Telemundo.
Why is this significant? General Electric has a major division called: "GE Healthcare." This division includes "GE Medical Systems Information Technologies," "GE Healthcare Cintricity Pharmacy" (which has sold about 6 billion prescriptions) and other orthodox health related organizations.
All of these organizations, and many more, are heavily involved in orthodox medicine. Thus, the same company, General Electric, has major ownership in both the media and orthodox medicine.
CBS has a longstanding advertising policy that prohibits the sale of advertising time for the advocacy of viewpoints on controversial issues of public importance. In other words, they can censor any advertisement they want. So much for freedom of the press. The press has the freedom, but not the people.
A local FOX station in Florida fired two of its reporters, Jane Akre and Steve Wilson, for refusing to back down on an investigative reporting segment that exposed Monsanto chemical company for adding a toxic chemical, BGH, which causes cancer, to milk. The national FOX network has stood solidly behind the Florida station. Are you surprised?..........
Sorry to have just cut and pasted this here, but since no one has responded, I wondered if people didn't find it an interesting conspiracy enough, so thought I'd save some people some time and cut to this small excerpt which lays the groundwork for the conspiracy acusation cancertutor.com presents.
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ Apr 4 2008, 09:05 AM) 
The folowing website claims a massive conspiracy on cancer cures. I'd like us to use this thread to try and prove or disprove it's premise.
http://cancertutor.com/Other/NoCancer.html
It is extensive, but very imformative. If you keep reading through Intro Part 1 and Part 2, the author presents the most compelling case for a true conspiracy.
http://cancertutor.com/Other/NoCancer.html
It is extensive, but very imformative. If you keep reading through Intro Part 1 and Part 2, the author presents the most compelling case for a true conspiracy.
QUOTE
Sorry to have just cut and pasted this here, but since no one has responded, I wondered if people didn't find it an interesting conspiracy enough
Rock...
I think you're onto something here.
I'm not sure why you haven't gotten any responses yet, but I have an idea...
I think it might be that people look at this and think to themselves, "Well, that's just poppycock. This goes against conventional wisdom on the subject...everything I've ever heard or been told, by family, friends, WebMD, or my doctor for chrissakes. It's just bull."
There's a reason for that feeling.
I have a hard time classifying it as a real conspiracy myself, as generally speaking, a conspiracy involves a small group of people hiding things with absolute secrecy from the masses. This situation which your link descibes, and which by the way is true as pertains to what it presents, doesn't actually involve hidden information that's just recently been discovered. What it involves is information which has been available for public consumption, and available for anyone to try...for a very long time, but which has been suppressed by medical officialdom and conditioning that we've all received since we were old enough to understand.
In a manner of speaking, I suppose one could call it a form of conspiracy, but I've always looked at the pooh-poohing of "alternative" medicine, and the adherence by the medical establishment, and the cooperation of the media in that effort, as a carefully contrived mechanism to re-inforce people's lack of self-reliance.
One would be tempted to accuse the entire medical establishment of some huge conspiracy in this matter. I can certainly understand that. But it is highly complex and multi-leveled.
I don't think you can bang the entire medical and drug profession accross the board. Certain drugs are indeed beneficial, and there are alot of people involved in the field who are genunely interested in helping folks, and there are many drugs which can and do help people.
However, there are indeed many more drugs which do more harm than good---which feed the quick-fix mentality of modern man, and which are in fact dangerous, and there is a certain group of medical procedures which are touted as being state of the art, but which are actually barbaric and ineffective.
Both situations exist in concert today, which is what makes the situation so complex. The "certain group" of medical procedures and drugs to which I speak just so happen to be the most financially lucrative for the medical profession today: the "treatment", as it were of degenerative disease.
In that I am speaking of primarily heart disease and cancer.
The conditioning, which has been supported by the media for a long time, paints the doctor as a white coated god who knows all, and is always right. This has been ingrained in most people to an extent that is unbelievable for years and years. TV shows, even the most implausible and fantastic (like "House", for instance, which portrays a doctor who wouldn't be able to practice medicine anywhere in the United States, and who likely would be in jail), constantly re-enforce this paradigm of thought and acceptance.
The fact is, "alternative" treatments, which actually do something, are and have been available for a very long time for the vast majority of things that we simply don't accept.
How many people who have heart disease would actually be willing to undergo alternative treatments for their clogged arteries, or for their cancer, when their doctor tells them there's only one chance...angioplastry or by pass surgery; or chemotherapy, radiation and surgery for their tumor?
Not a heck of alot.
This is due to conditioning. Despite the obvious evidence that shows that bypass surgery and angioplasy don't work beyond the short term, and that the majority of people who die of cancer actually die of the after-effects of their treatment (trust me, I've seen a friend or two die of "cancer" who had no cancer in their bodies at the time of their deaths-- they died from their destroyed immune systems and weakened bodies from the butchery they underwent for a period of years) , people simply don't want to accept "alternatives" (which are really not alternatives, but existed long before allopathic medicine advanced to its present level).
Is there a decisive program in place to fortify this conditioning?
Yes, absolutely, and it has a great deal to do with what your link points to.
Do I think it's a conspiracy in the purest sense of the word?
No...although I can completely understand where that idea comes from.
I prefer to think of it as a reflection of people's acceptance of conditioning they've received since they were children. It's so pervasive and ingrained that people have lost their innate sense of self-reliance and ability to think and feel for themselves. The government helps this process along, most certainly (There's a reason why "natural" and "alternative" treatments don't get studied and approved by the FDA...because you can't patent as proprietary any naturally occurring substance...and regulations are in place...highly restrictive ones, which state that you cannot claim any natural substance can be used to cure any disease...despite the fact that they can and do cure diseases).
There are "alternative" things available out there.
The "establishment", as-it-were would prefer you thought it was all baloney, granted.
But the fact that the information is readily available, and testable for anyone who would wish to do so (and tens of thousands have done so, effectively) leads me to the conclusion that it's not so much a conspiracy as it is a carefully contrived media campaign to suck people into the common paradigm and make them accepting, conforming sheep as regards that paradigm.
In other words, no one's hiding anything from the discerning person...they're masking it through conditioning.
If it were an actual conspiracy, I think that most people would know absolutely nothing about it.
In your quote from the link it says, "Why you haven't heard these things before?"
I think many have indeed heard them.
The real question is, why don't people actually dig into these matters and study the truth surrounding them more than they do?
I think the answer is obvious...
A bit more from cancertutor.com
Quotes of Nobel Prize Winners About Cancer
"But nobody today can say that one does not know what cancer and its prime cause be. On the contrary, there is no disease whose prime cause is better known, so that today ignorance is no longer an excuse that one cannot do more about prevention. That prevention of cancer will come there is no doubt, for man wishes to survive. But how long prevention will be avoided depends on how long the prophets of agnosticism will succeed in inhibiting the application of scientific knowledge in the cancer field. In the meantime, millions of men must die of cancer unnecessarily."
Nobel Prize Winner Otto Warburg in a meeting of Nobel Laureates, June 30, 1966
See: http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Loxygen3.htm
Dr. James Watson won a Nobel Prize for determining the shape of DNA. During the 1970's, he served two years on the National Cancer Advisory Board. In 1975, he was asked about the National Cancer Program. He declared, "It's a bunch of sh**."
Nobel Prize Winner James Watson
See: http://www.altcancer.com/lysis.htm
"Everyone should know that the 'war on cancer' is largely a fraud."
Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling, author of several books on Vitamin C and cancer
Other Cancer Quotes
"To the cancer establishment, a cancer patient is a profit center. The actual clinical and scientific evidence does not support the claims of the cancer industry. Conventional cancer treatments are in place as the law of the land because they pay, not heal, the best. Decades of the politics-of-cancer-as-usual have kept you from knowing this, and will continue to do so unless you wake up to their reality."
John Diamond, M.D. & Lee Cowden, M.D.
"Chemotherapy is an incredibly lucrative business for doctors, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies…..The medical establishment wants everyone to follow the same exact protocol. They don’t want to see the chemotherapy industry go under, and that’s the number one obstacle to any progress in oncology."
Dr Warner, M.D.
"You wouldn’t believe how many FDA officials or relatives or acquaintances of FDA officials come to see me as patients in Hanover. You wouldn’t believe this, or directors of the AMA, or ACA, or the presidents of orthodox cancer institutes. That’s the fact."
Hans Nieper M.D. (1928-1998) (Dr. Nieper used a cesium chloride protocol in Hanover, Germany)
And there are many, many more such quotes. See:
http://www.whale.to/cancer/quotes.html
http://www.whale.to/m/quotes6.html
http://theanswertocancer.com/the_real_war.htm
Quotes of Nobel Prize Winners About Cancer
"But nobody today can say that one does not know what cancer and its prime cause be. On the contrary, there is no disease whose prime cause is better known, so that today ignorance is no longer an excuse that one cannot do more about prevention. That prevention of cancer will come there is no doubt, for man wishes to survive. But how long prevention will be avoided depends on how long the prophets of agnosticism will succeed in inhibiting the application of scientific knowledge in the cancer field. In the meantime, millions of men must die of cancer unnecessarily."
Nobel Prize Winner Otto Warburg in a meeting of Nobel Laureates, June 30, 1966
See: http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Loxygen3.htm
Dr. James Watson won a Nobel Prize for determining the shape of DNA. During the 1970's, he served two years on the National Cancer Advisory Board. In 1975, he was asked about the National Cancer Program. He declared, "It's a bunch of sh**."
Nobel Prize Winner James Watson
See: http://www.altcancer.com/lysis.htm
"Everyone should know that the 'war on cancer' is largely a fraud."
Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling, author of several books on Vitamin C and cancer
Other Cancer Quotes
"To the cancer establishment, a cancer patient is a profit center. The actual clinical and scientific evidence does not support the claims of the cancer industry. Conventional cancer treatments are in place as the law of the land because they pay, not heal, the best. Decades of the politics-of-cancer-as-usual have kept you from knowing this, and will continue to do so unless you wake up to their reality."
John Diamond, M.D. & Lee Cowden, M.D.
"Chemotherapy is an incredibly lucrative business for doctors, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies…..The medical establishment wants everyone to follow the same exact protocol. They don’t want to see the chemotherapy industry go under, and that’s the number one obstacle to any progress in oncology."
Dr Warner, M.D.
"You wouldn’t believe how many FDA officials or relatives or acquaintances of FDA officials come to see me as patients in Hanover. You wouldn’t believe this, or directors of the AMA, or ACA, or the presidents of orthodox cancer institutes. That’s the fact."
Hans Nieper M.D. (1928-1998) (Dr. Nieper used a cesium chloride protocol in Hanover, Germany)
And there are many, many more such quotes. See:
http://www.whale.to/cancer/quotes.html
http://www.whale.to/m/quotes6.html
http://theanswertocancer.com/the_real_war.htm
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ Apr 7 2008, 09:23 PM)
"Everyone should know that the 'war on cancer' is largely a fraud."
Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling, author of several books on Vitamin C and cancer
Two Time Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling, author of several books on Vitamin C and cancer
Well...I had never been able to argue with Dr. Pauling (far too formidable....one of my Chemistry profs way back when, was a personal friend of his, and I learned a great deal about the man as a result).
I agree with him wholeheartedly in many respects, and certainly in this one!
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ Apr 7 2008, 09:23 PM)
"To the cancer establishment, a cancer patient is a profit center. The actual clinical and scientific evidence does not support the claims of the cancer industry. Conventional cancer treatments are in place as the law of the land because they pay, not heal, the best. Decades of the politics-of-cancer-as-usual have kept you from knowing this, and will continue to do so unless you wake up to their reality."
John Diamond, M.D. & Lee Cowden, M.D.
"Chemotherapy is an incredibly lucrative business for doctors, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies…..The medical establishment wants everyone to follow the same exact protocol. They don’t want to see the chemotherapy industry go under, and that’s the number one obstacle to any progress in oncology."
Dr Warner, M.D.
John Diamond, M.D. & Lee Cowden, M.D.
"Chemotherapy is an incredibly lucrative business for doctors, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies…..The medical establishment wants everyone to follow the same exact protocol. They don’t want to see the chemotherapy industry go under, and that’s the number one obstacle to any progress in oncology."
Dr Warner, M.D.
TYhat is exactly what I'm talking about when I say...
QUOTE
The "certain group" of medical procedures and drugs to which I speak just so happen to be the most financially lucrative for the medical profession today: the "treatment", as it were of degenerative disease.
I can only think of my mom , who's had her chemo last Friday and is very sick because of it .
QUOTE (Sama @ Apr 10 2008, 11:45 PM)
I can only think of my mom , who's had her chemo last Friday and is very sick because of it .
Sama ,
I completely understand your feelings...I completely empathise with you, and your Mom...
QUOTE (BoBo the Clown @ Apr 16 2008, 03:06 PM)
Actually cancer is not a disease. Cancer is the cure. Cancer is your bodies way of fighting off another problem. Solve that problem and the cancer subsides. 
Thank you Dr. BoBo...
QUOTE (BoBo the Clown @ Apr 17 2008, 09:52 AM)
yup
Is "yup", the new intelligent response?
I read an article quite a while ago (early 1900's?)about a man who discovered a cure for cancer. It involved injecting a virus (??) into the affected areas, and whilst the body fought off the virus it'd also fight off the cancer.
This had a very high success rate, but because he didn't have studies and theories and research, just results, it wasn't accepted as legit.
Don't have the time at the moment to find the articles, sorry.
This had a very high success rate, but because he didn't have studies and theories and research, just results, it wasn't accepted as legit.
Don't have the time at the moment to find the articles, sorry.
QUOTE (MID @ Apr 17 2008, 12:58 AM)
Sama ,
I completely understand your feelings...I completely empathise with you, and your Mom...
I completely understand your feelings...I completely empathise with you, and your Mom...
Thank you MID ( it's still Sama ) . I wish this thread was forwarded more ..
Chemo is the torture .
QUOTE (EnelyaCalaelen @ Apr 18 2008, 08:49 AM)
I read an article quite a while ago (early 1900's?)about a man who discovered a cure for cancer. It involved injecting a virus (??) into the affected areas, and whilst the body fought off the virus it'd also fight off the cancer.
This had a very high success rate, but because he didn't have studies and theories and research, just results, it wasn't accepted as legit.
Don't have the time at the moment to find the articles, sorry.
This had a very high success rate, but because he didn't have studies and theories and research, just results, it wasn't accepted as legit.
Don't have the time at the moment to find the articles, sorry.
I wish you had the time.
QUOTE (Mademoiselle @ Apr 20 2008, 12:38 AM)
Thank you MID ( it's still Sama ) . I wish this thread was forwarded more ..
Chemo is the torture .
Chemo is the torture .
You're very welcome Sama...Mademoiselle!
Yes, I agree, Chemo is the torture, and the damage done in so many cases.
I've probably said it before, but we often see an article about somneone dying "of cancer".
When you look into it...it generally says, "Complications of Cancer...".
That generally means that they died from their treatment, not the disease.
I have first hand experience in this.
The fact is , most people who die of cancer die from their treatment, and it's after effects.
I had a great old friend die several years back. His death certicicate says:
Cause of death: Respiratory failure.
Due to: Pneumonia.
Due to: Esophageal Cancer.
It was horrible.
But the fact is, pneumonia is not caused by esophageal cancer.
His respiratory failure was caused by pneumonia which was caused by his body being unable to defend itself against a bloddy cold by virtue of his completely denuded immune system...which was caused by chemo.
He had no cancer in his body at his death.
His death certificate should've read what was true:
Cause of Death: Respiratory Failure
Due To: Pneumonia
Due to: Chemotherapy.
People used to comment, "He looks like a cancer patient." The gaunt hollowed out look, etc...
I said, "He looks like a chemo victim," and that's what he was....
QUOTE (MID @ Apr 20 2008, 11:16 PM)
You're very welcome Sama...Mademoiselle!
Yes, I agree, Chemo is the torture, and the damage done in so many cases.
I've probably said it before, but we often see an article about somneone dying "of cancer".
When you look into it...it generally says, "Complications of Cancer...".
That generally means that they died from their treatment, not the disease.
I have first hand experience in this.
The fact is , most people who die of cancer die from their treatment, and it's after effects.
I had a great old friend die several years back. His death certicicate says:
Cause of death: Respiratory failure.
Due to: Pneumonia.
Due to: Esophageal Cancer.
It was horrible.
But the fact is, pneumonia is not caused by esophageal cancer.
His respiratory failure was caused by pneumonia which was caused by his body being unable to defend itself against a bloddy cold by virtue of his completely denuded immune system...which was caused by chemo.
He had no cancer in his body at his death.
His death certificate should've read what was true:
Cause of Death: Respiratory Failure
Due To: Pneumonia
Due to: Chemotherapy.
People used to comment, "He looks like a cancer patient." The gaunt hollowed out look, etc...
I said, "He looks like a chemo victim," and that's what he was....
Yes, I agree, Chemo is the torture, and the damage done in so many cases.
I've probably said it before, but we often see an article about somneone dying "of cancer".
When you look into it...it generally says, "Complications of Cancer...".
That generally means that they died from their treatment, not the disease.
I have first hand experience in this.
The fact is , most people who die of cancer die from their treatment, and it's after effects.
I had a great old friend die several years back. His death certicicate says:
Cause of death: Respiratory failure.
Due to: Pneumonia.
Due to: Esophageal Cancer.
It was horrible.
But the fact is, pneumonia is not caused by esophageal cancer.
His respiratory failure was caused by pneumonia which was caused by his body being unable to defend itself against a bloddy cold by virtue of his completely denuded immune system...which was caused by chemo.
He had no cancer in his body at his death.
His death certificate should've read what was true:
Cause of Death: Respiratory Failure
Due To: Pneumonia
Due to: Chemotherapy.
People used to comment, "He looks like a cancer patient." The gaunt hollowed out look, etc...
I said, "He looks like a chemo victim," and that's what he was....
You are absolutely right MID .
One of my mom's friends - also a chemo subject - preferred to :
"Die in peace
Not in pieces. "
And he did.
My mom is struggeling .. she has lost her hair quite a few times already , lives with one kidney and permanent nausea and can hardly chew anything ..
Sorry to go into those details .. but you can say that chemo is hauting me . Thank you for caring MID .
mademoiselle
QUOTE (Sama @ Apr 11 2008, 04:45 AM)
I can only think of my mom , who's had her chemo last Friday and is very sick because of it .
Hello Mademsoielle, I am Pavot and have walk this road many times with Loved ones...
Hang in there with your Mom, there different chemical components in Chemo therapy and all are harsh, I know from my families personal Esperance the best most surest way to handle Chemo and Cancer is through the loving family support, it is a must and a I know believe I know the heart aches and the mental and spiritual draining in it all, but pulling together is the way, one up lifting when the other is down, and not allow for both and all to be taken down in spirit of heart, I cannot even stress here to you that I am hoping this does not come across as I am just given you good intended lips service or that I am even un caring, I can only feel whole heartedly for that which you and your Mom and family are going though, in another note here, in those family members that sought the blood testing and applied the nutrient enriched formulas of the Naturopathic they were under the care of, they did far better with the Chemo, but it was still very hard for them to go through, again the positive support factor is very important, and even that includes when other would whole heartedly pray over and for the family even if it was not to the beliefs of those going through the cancer Chemo treatment it and all positive spiritual and mental support is a huge factor for getting through it all in hopes for a recovery….
I wish I could give to more advice and of a medical cure advice but I am straight up and clean and can only share what I see was the best ways to cope as a family and a community…best wishes to you and your Mom my friend my heart is with you if you need a sportive hug or up lifting, even if you can bear my horrible humor let me know, I am sure there are many supportive friends here upon UM there are very good hearted people all around us.…Peace and good Karma My Friend…and when my Wife went through her Chemo and she lost her hair, which is very hard for a woman to take, I shaved off all of my hair, and we laughed as we drove around town looking like the Cone head Eggplant heads from the Saturday Night Live show with Dan Ackroid, remember the hardest things in life can and are over come when we take up light of heart refusing to grasp hold of the dark and sad and laugh at all of the difficult challenges...…Pavot
QUOTE (Pavot @ Apr 21 2008, 05:06 AM)
Hello Mademsoielle, I am Pavot and have walk this road many times with Loved ones...
Hang in there with your Mom, there different chemical components in Chemo therapy and all are harsh, I know from my families personal Esperance the best most surest way to handle Chemo and Cancer is through the loving family support, it is a must and a I know believe I know the heart aches and the mental and spiritual draining in it all, but pulling together is the way, one up lifting when the other is down, and not allow for both and all to be taken down in spirit of heart, I cannot even stress here to you that I am hoping this does not come across as I am just given you good intended lips service or that I am even un caring, I can only feel whole heartedly for that which you and your Mom and family are going though, in another note here, in those family members that sought the blood testing and applied the nutrient enriched formulas of the Naturopathic they were under the care of, they did far better with the Chemo, but it was still very hard for them to go through, again the positive support factor is very important, and even that includes when other would whole heartedly pray over and for the family even if it was not to the beliefs of those going through the cancer Chemo treatment it and all positive spiritual and mental support is a huge factor for getting through it all in hopes for a recovery….
I wish I could give to more advice and of a medical cure advice but I am straight up and clean and can only share what I see was the best ways to cope as a family and a community…best wishes to you and your Mom my friend my heart is with you if you need a sportive hug or up lifting, even if you can bear my horrible humor let me know, I am sure there are many supportive friends here upon UM there are very good hearted people all around us.…Peace and good Karma My Friend…and when my Wife went through her Chemo and she lost her hair, which is very hard for a woman to take, I shaved off all of my hair, and we laughed as we drove around town looking like the Cone head Eggplant heads from the Saturday Night Live show with Dan Ackroid, remember the hardest things in life can and are over come when we take up light of heart refusing to grasp hold of the dark and sad and laugh at all of the difficult challenges...…Pavot
Hang in there with your Mom, there different chemical components in Chemo therapy and all are harsh, I know from my families personal Esperance the best most surest way to handle Chemo and Cancer is through the loving family support, it is a must and a I know believe I know the heart aches and the mental and spiritual draining in it all, but pulling together is the way, one up lifting when the other is down, and not allow for both and all to be taken down in spirit of heart, I cannot even stress here to you that I am hoping this does not come across as I am just given you good intended lips service or that I am even un caring, I can only feel whole heartedly for that which you and your Mom and family are going though, in another note here, in those family members that sought the blood testing and applied the nutrient enriched formulas of the Naturopathic they were under the care of, they did far better with the Chemo, but it was still very hard for them to go through, again the positive support factor is very important, and even that includes when other would whole heartedly pray over and for the family even if it was not to the beliefs of those going through the cancer Chemo treatment it and all positive spiritual and mental support is a huge factor for getting through it all in hopes for a recovery….
I wish I could give to more advice and of a medical cure advice but I am straight up and clean and can only share what I see was the best ways to cope as a family and a community…best wishes to you and your Mom my friend my heart is with you if you need a sportive hug or up lifting, even if you can bear my horrible humor let me know, I am sure there are many supportive friends here upon UM there are very good hearted people all around us.…Peace and good Karma My Friend…and when my Wife went through her Chemo and she lost her hair, which is very hard for a woman to take, I shaved off all of my hair, and we laughed as we drove around town looking like the Cone head Eggplant heads from the Saturday Night Live show with Dan Ackroid, remember the hardest things in life can and are over come when we take up light of heart refusing to grasp hold of the dark and sad and laugh at all of the difficult challenges...…Pavot
Dear Pavot ,
Your post is a blessing to me and my mom .. i shall read it to her .
I am very grateful for your warm words and your support . I'm sure we are not the only ones who need them . Anybody with a dear loved one on chemo knows what i am talking about . God bless them all.
Thanks from the bottom of my heart . Love.
QUOTE (Mademoiselle @ Apr 21 2008, 04:25 AM)
Dear Pavot ,
Your post is a blessing to me and my mom .. i shall read it to her .
I am very grateful for your warm words and your support . I'm sure we are not the only ones who need them . Anybody with a dear loved one on chemo knows what i am talking about . God bless them all.
Thanks from the bottom of my heart . Love.
Your post is a blessing to me and my mom .. i shall read it to her .
I am very grateful for your warm words and your support . I'm sure we are not the only ones who need them . Anybody with a dear loved one on chemo knows what i am talking about . God bless them all.
Thanks from the bottom of my heart . Love.
You are so very welcome my wee friend, love well, love her well...Pavot
QUOTE (Pavot @ Apr 21 2008, 05:31 AM)
You are so very welcome my wee friend, love well, love her well...Pavot
Mademoiselle, our thoughts and prayers are with you and your mom. I am sure most everyone here on UM would offer the same if they were to post, you can be sure of that. Know that you and your mom are not alone.
This subject really hits home here with our family these past few days. We just lost a favorite Aunt to lung cancer this week. She was a wonderful lady and will be dearly missed. I had sent her the link to cancertutor.com about six months ago, as soon as I heard of her diagnosis. Unfortunately as the author of the website explains, at that point it is often already too late to consider a completely alternative treatment. Specialists have been consulted and treatment decisions are already being made at that point. I don't believe she tried anything alternative but she was someone who had looked into it, I'm sure.
I can only wonder what might have been had I sent her this particular information a year or so earlier.
Everyone might consider sending the URL of cancertutor.com to everyone you know if you believe in it.
This subject really hits home here with our family these past few days. We just lost a favorite Aunt to lung cancer this week. She was a wonderful lady and will be dearly missed. I had sent her the link to cancertutor.com about six months ago, as soon as I heard of her diagnosis. Unfortunately as the author of the website explains, at that point it is often already too late to consider a completely alternative treatment. Specialists have been consulted and treatment decisions are already being made at that point. I don't believe she tried anything alternative but she was someone who had looked into it, I'm sure.
I can only wonder what might have been had I sent her this particular information a year or so earlier.
Everyone might consider sending the URL of cancertutor.com to everyone you know if you believe in it.
QUOTE (Mademoiselle @ Apr 20 2008, 10:19 PM)
You are absolutely right MID .
One of my mom's friends - also a chemo subject - preferred to :
"Die in peace
Not in pieces. "
And he did.
My mom is struggeling .. she has lost her hair quite a few times already , lives with one kidney and permanent nausea and can hardly chew anything ..
Sorry to go into those details .. but you can say that chemo is hauting me . Thank you for caring MID .
mademoiselle
One of my mom's friends - also a chemo subject - preferred to :
"Die in peace
Not in pieces. "
And he did.
My mom is struggeling .. she has lost her hair quite a few times already , lives with one kidney and permanent nausea and can hardly chew anything ..
Sorry to go into those details .. but you can say that chemo is hauting me . Thank you for caring MID .
mademoiselle
No problem about the details. Been there, done that, m...I completely understand.
You're very welcome.
Not sure about the OP link. Sure good health from healthy foods and vitamins is a good idea. Might just prevent (or delay) cancer. However I have serious doubts on the claims. Just as much as Colloidal Silver. I'd much rather try Rife plasma tubes if I had a choice in the treatment. Quite a story. The technology descends from Tesla's theories of EM fields. Pioneered and developed by Dr Rife and further developed by James E. Bare. He has a book out called Resonant Frequency Therapy. Quite a lot of info on the net about Rife... Cheers
Royal Rife Technologies as a quick pointer
Royal Rife Technologies as a quick pointer
I have seen a video in the last 2 years about a substance called Laetrile...or Vitamin B-17. It had great results during the 1940's-50's until it was outlawed . The public was decieved by medical establishment groups that came out against this simple vitamin found in apricot kernal seeds. That's right. I have tried it myself until apricots went out of season. I'd eat 1 apricot and 1 apricot seed a day not because I have cancer but to help prevent it.
The story with Laetrile is that the inert cyanide within the seed only gets broken down by the cancer cells. It will pass harmlessly through your body except at the cancer cell where the inert cyanide attacks the cancer.
Don't take my word for it look it up yourself. I personally ate 1 seed a day for the whole summer last year and will do so again this year.
Obviously if you already have cancer then larger doses of Laetrile are needed to help reverse and releieve the pain of cancer. I think you can order it from outside the country last I heard it is not sold in this country.
Anyway hope this info helped.
The story with Laetrile is that the inert cyanide within the seed only gets broken down by the cancer cells. It will pass harmlessly through your body except at the cancer cell where the inert cyanide attacks the cancer.
Don't take my word for it look it up yourself. I personally ate 1 seed a day for the whole summer last year and will do so again this year.
Obviously if you already have cancer then larger doses of Laetrile are needed to help reverse and releieve the pain of cancer. I think you can order it from outside the country last I heard it is not sold in this country.
Anyway hope this info helped.
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ Apr 21 2008, 03:05 PM)
Mademoiselle, our thoughts and prayers are with you and your mom. I am sure most everyone here on UM would offer the same if they were to post, you can be sure of that. Know that you and your mom are not alone.
This subject really hits home here with our family these past few days. We just lost a favorite Aunt to lung cancer this week. She was a wonderful lady and will be dearly missed. I had sent her the link to cancertutor.com about six months ago, as soon as I heard of her diagnosis. Unfortunately as the author of the website explains, at that point it is often already too late to consider a completely alternative treatment. Specialists have been consulted and treatment decisions are already being made at that point. I don't believe she tried anything alternative but she was someone who had looked into it, I'm sure.
I can only wonder what might have been had I sent her this particular information a year or so earlier.
Everyone might consider sending the URL of cancertutor.com to everyone you know if you believe in it.
This subject really hits home here with our family these past few days. We just lost a favorite Aunt to lung cancer this week. She was a wonderful lady and will be dearly missed. I had sent her the link to cancertutor.com about six months ago, as soon as I heard of her diagnosis. Unfortunately as the author of the website explains, at that point it is often already too late to consider a completely alternative treatment. Specialists have been consulted and treatment decisions are already being made at that point. I don't believe she tried anything alternative but she was someone who had looked into it, I'm sure.
I can only wonder what might have been had I sent her this particular information a year or so earlier.
Everyone might consider sending the URL of cancertutor.com to everyone you know if you believe in it.
Thanks my dear Rock ..and i'm very sorry about your aunt .. may she rest in peace .. sometimes i wonder wether i should advise mom to quit chemo ..
But then .. what else / And sometimes i think that just having her around is enough .. although she is the one suffering .. that is selfish , too i'm afraid .
I just don't know anymore . I know that i love her and that i am there for her . It's very hard . Thanks again for your warm feelings and prayers . God Bless.
QUOTE (Mademoiselle @ Apr 22 2008, 03:44 AM)
Thanks my dear Rock ..and i'm very sorry about your aunt .. may she rest in peace .. sometimes i wonder wether i should advise mom to quit chemo ..
But then .. what else / And sometimes i think that just having her around is enough .. although she is the one suffering .. that is selfish , too i'm afraid .
I just don't know anymore . I know that i love her and that i am there for her . It's very hard . Thanks again for your warm feelings and prayers . God Bless.
But then .. what else / And sometimes i think that just having her around is enough .. although she is the one suffering .. that is selfish , too i'm afraid .
I just don't know anymore . I know that i love her and that i am there for her . It's very hard . Thanks again for your warm feelings and prayers . God Bless.
You know , M, you point to one of the critical aspects revolving around knowledge of "alternatives", when you speak to advising your Mom to quit chemo.
Most people are so conditioned, or shall I say indoctrinated to the common medical paradigm that they can't acknowledge the idea of stopping what the doctor says is right. There's a conditioning present in most people to be afraid, and still--to this day--to hold the doctor in extremely high esteem, almost a god...if not one!
Thus, chemo, radiation, and surgery are the options! Anything else is quackery, despite evidence of efficacy and success. That's the conditioned response. Most people resign themselves to the fact that this is just the way it is. They've been taught to believe it, and they do.
There's a decided effort to make people think that anything "natural", or any alternative therapies are junk (and some are!), by the authorites with their mandatory endorsements on products of "natural" derivation...mandates that the FDA has not approved the statements on the label, or, "This product is not intended to diagnose or treat any disease", etc...even if the product is intended to do just that.
Quite frankly, advising most patients to stop their chemo would probably get a nasty reaction for the most part ("Are you crazy?! This is my only chance!").
This...despite the fact that if one actually looks at the data, the vast majority of people who "die of cancer" don't. They die from aftereffects of their treatment (commonly noted as "complications of...")...
QUOTE (MID @ Apr 22 2008, 11:23 PM)
You know , M, you point to one of the critical aspects revolving around knowledge of "alternatives", when you speak to advising your Mom to quit chemo.
Most people are so conditioned, or shall I say indoctrinated to the common medical paradigm that they can't acknowledge the idea of stopping what the doctor says is right. There's a conditioning present in most people to be afraid, and still--to this day--to hold the doctor in extremely high esteem, almost a god...if not one!
Thus, chemo, radiation, and surgery are the options! Anything else is quackery, despite evidence of efficacy and success. That's the conditioned response. Most people resign themselves to the fact that this is just the way it is. They've been taught to believe it, and they do.
There's a decided effort to make people think that anything "natural", or any alternative therapies are junk (and some are!), by the authorites with their mandatory endorsements on products of "natural" derivation...mandates that the FDA has not approved the statements on the label, or, "This product is not intended to diagnose or treat any disease", etc...even if the product is intended to do just that.
Quite frankly, advising most patients to stop their chemo would probably get a nasty reaction for the most part ("Are you crazy?! This is my only chance!").
This...despite the fact that if one actually looks at the data, the vast majority of people who "die of cancer" don't. They die from aftereffects of their treatment (commonly noted as "complications of...")...
Most people are so conditioned, or shall I say indoctrinated to the common medical paradigm that they can't acknowledge the idea of stopping what the doctor says is right. There's a conditioning present in most people to be afraid, and still--to this day--to hold the doctor in extremely high esteem, almost a god...if not one!
Thus, chemo, radiation, and surgery are the options! Anything else is quackery, despite evidence of efficacy and success. That's the conditioned response. Most people resign themselves to the fact that this is just the way it is. They've been taught to believe it, and they do.
There's a decided effort to make people think that anything "natural", or any alternative therapies are junk (and some are!), by the authorites with their mandatory endorsements on products of "natural" derivation...mandates that the FDA has not approved the statements on the label, or, "This product is not intended to diagnose or treat any disease", etc...even if the product is intended to do just that.
Quite frankly, advising most patients to stop their chemo would probably get a nasty reaction for the most part ("Are you crazy?! This is my only chance!").
This...despite the fact that if one actually looks at the data, the vast majority of people who "die of cancer" don't. They die from aftereffects of their treatment (commonly noted as "complications of...")...
You are certainly right MID .. this is why such a decision ( volontarily quitting chemo ) is so terrible hard to take .. everybody , especially doctors , make you feel like you are cutting life supprt .. Very hard decision .. i don''t know if they are to be trusted , but then , they are doing their best .. according to them .
If only scientists would give other "treatments" a chance .. get us some results , some statistics , anything...
But of course they 'll just blame this on the lack of funds.
Meanwhile .. they spend billions on arms and weapons of mass destruction .
Not only is the medical industry keeping the natural cures away from the public, they along with the food industry are the ones giving us cancer. All drugs are man made toxins, and poisons. Think about what happens if you take too much of something as seemingly harmless as tylanol or aspirin- you will get very sick, possibly die. And those are only two of the "safest" drugs available. The food industry is the same way. Most of what you buy at the stroe everyday has man made chemicals in it- everything from the food you eat to the lotions, perfumes, deoderants, etc that gets absorbed through the skin. Even tap water has chlorine and flouride in it- two toxic chemicals. All these toxins entering your body, along with the general unhealthy lifestyles of most people now days, causes your body to break down and be in a very unhealthy state. Thus cancer developes.
So you see that the same entities that are causing us to get cancer are then selling us more toxic drugs and treatments that don't even cure the sickness. All while trying to keep you from learning about real natural cures that work. Its all about money.
So you see that the same entities that are causing us to get cancer are then selling us more toxic drugs and treatments that don't even cure the sickness. All while trying to keep you from learning about real natural cures that work. Its all about money.
QUOTE (RoBust-GhostBust @ Apr 26 2008, 12:11 PM)
Not only is the medical industry keeping the natural cures away from the public, they along with the food industry are the ones giving us cancer. All drugs are man made toxins, and poisons. Think about what happens if you take too much of something as seemingly harmless as tylanol or aspirin- you will get very sick, possibly die. And those are only two of the "safest" drugs available. The food industry is the same way. Most of what you buy at the stroe everyday has man made chemicals in it- everything from the food you eat to the lotions, perfumes, deoderants, etc that gets absorbed through the skin. Even tap water has chlorine and flouride in it- two toxic chemicals. All these toxins entering your body, along with the general unhealthy lifestyles of most people now days, causes your body to break down and be in a very unhealthy state. Thus cancer developes.
So you see that the same entities that are causing us to get cancer are then selling us more toxic drugs and treatments that don't even cure the sickness. All while trying to keep you from learning about real natural cures that work. Its all about money.
So you see that the same entities that are causing us to get cancer are then selling us more toxic drugs and treatments that don't even cure the sickness. All while trying to keep you from learning about real natural cures that work. Its all about money.
Or let's think about what happens if you take too much of something as seemingly harmless as water or oxygen -- you will get very sick, possibly die. Should these be called "toxic chemicals" as well? Obviously too much of anything is too much, it's the dose that makes the poison.
QUOTE (truthist @ Apr 27 2008, 05:07 PM)
Or let's think about what happens if you take too much of something as seemingly harmless as water or oxygen -- you will get very sick, possibly die. Should these be called "toxic chemicals" as well? Obviously too much of anything is too much, it's the dose that makes the poison.
I would say you just compared apples to oranges, but it really wasnt even that close. First of all, water and oxygen arent man-made, and are very good for you. Unless, like you said, you get WAY too much of it. But there isn't large amounts of water and oxygen being deliberately put into our food and medicines, are there?
The chemicals being put into food and drugs are man made toxins, chemicals, etc. They are not even good for you on a small scale, and were never intended by nature to enter your body. Rat poison is deadly when you take enough of it, would you put small non-lethal doses in your food? Of course you wouldn't.
QUOTE (RoBust-GhostBust @ Apr 26 2008, 01:11 PM)
Not only is the medical industry keeping the natural cures away from the public, they along with the food industry are the ones giving us cancer. All drugs are man made toxins, and poisons. Think about what happens if you take too much of something as seemingly harmless as tylanol or aspirin- you will get very sick, possibly die. And those are only two of the "safest" drugs available. The food industry is the same way. Most of what you buy at the stroe everyday has man made chemicals in it- everything from the food you eat to the lotions, perfumes, deoderants, etc that gets absorbed through the skin. Even tap water has chlorine and flouride in it- two toxic chemicals. All these toxins entering your body, along with the general unhealthy lifestyles of most people now days, causes your body to break down and be in a very unhealthy state. Thus cancer developes.
So you see that the same entities that are causing us to get cancer are then selling us more toxic drugs and treatments that don't even cure the sickness. All while trying to keep you from learning about real natural cures that work. Its all about money.
So you see that the same entities that are causing us to get cancer are then selling us more toxic drugs and treatments that don't even cure the sickness. All while trying to keep you from learning about real natural cures that work. Its all about money.
very sad.. yet very true.
QUOTE (RoBust-GhostBust @ May 4 2008, 12:19 AM)
I would say you just compared apples to oranges, but it really wasnt even that close. First of all, water and oxygen arent man-made, and are very good for you. Unless, like you said, you get WAY too much of it. But there isn't large amounts of water and oxygen being deliberately put into our food and medicines, are there?
The chemicals being put into food and drugs are man made toxins, chemicals, etc. They are not even good for you on a small scale, and were never intended by nature to enter your body. Rat poison is deadly when you take enough of it, would you put small non-lethal doses in your food? Of course you wouldn't.
The chemicals being put into food and drugs are man made toxins, chemicals, etc. They are not even good for you on a small scale, and were never intended by nature to enter your body. Rat poison is deadly when you take enough of it, would you put small non-lethal doses in your food? Of course you wouldn't.
Please note that I didn't comment on the actual fluoridation of water itself, mainly because I too am against it. What I objected to was your way of labelling the chemicals as being harmful in any dose, as that's when you're standing on significantly shakier ground than you would if you just opposed water fluoridation specifically. You're going against all fluoride therapy, even forms that have greater control over the exposure to the chemical. I don't think the evidence is there to support your opinion.
On similar grounds I also object to your rat poison comparison. Rat poison isn't some magical substance made up of pure evil -- if you looked at what's in the poison, you could probably identify chemicals that do have beneficial effects in different doses. Like warfarin.
I lost a longtime friend and coworker to cancer yesterday. He was 60. He worked for the same company I work for for like 35 years. I worked with him for 14 years. He always looked forward to retirement and would speak of the day he'd be done working with reverence. Unfortunately he got diagnosed with cancer, gave his notice, got treatment- including removal of a tumor, had bad side effects from chemo treatments, and now is dead within a couple of years. I will be at his wake tommorrow.
I believe he'd still be alive had he somehow known about and chosen 'alternative' treatments and holistic health instead of following traditional protocol from day one. I am sure the doctors never looked for and/or properly 'treated' the underlying causes of the cancer like vitamin and mineral defficiencies, imbalances etc. because they never do. Very sad. He was a good guy who will be missed by many.
Please, I really am not looking for sympathy here but just hope to make people think.
I believe he'd still be alive had he somehow known about and chosen 'alternative' treatments and holistic health instead of following traditional protocol from day one. I am sure the doctors never looked for and/or properly 'treated' the underlying causes of the cancer like vitamin and mineral defficiencies, imbalances etc. because they never do. Very sad. He was a good guy who will be missed by many.
Please, I really am not looking for sympathy here but just hope to make people think.
QUOTE (Rock Slinger @ May 7 2008, 03:13 AM)
I lost a longtime friend and coworker to cancer yesterday. He was 60. He worked for the same company I work for for like 35 years. I worked with him for 14 years. He always looked forward to retirement and would speak of the day he'd be done working with reverence. Unfortunately he got diagnosed with cancer, gave his notice, got treatment- including removal of a tumor, had bad side effects from chemo treatments, and now is dead within a couple of years. I will be at his wake tommorrow.
I believe he'd still be alive had he somehow known about and chosen 'alternative' treatments and holistic health instead of following traditional protocol from day one. I am sure the doctors never looked for and/or properly 'treated' the underlying causes of the cancer like vitamin and mineral defficiencies, imbalances etc. because they never do. Very sad. He was a good guy who will be missed by many.
Please, I really am not looking for sympathy here but just hope to make people think.
I believe he'd still be alive had he somehow known about and chosen 'alternative' treatments and holistic health instead of following traditional protocol from day one. I am sure the doctors never looked for and/or properly 'treated' the underlying causes of the cancer like vitamin and mineral defficiencies, imbalances etc. because they never do. Very sad. He was a good guy who will be missed by many.
Please, I really am not looking for sympathy here but just hope to make people think.
Rock...
Been there, done that. Seen it all several times.
You may not be looking for sympathy, but you have it from me.
4 years past, I buried a good friend, and long term associate of mine, 59 years young, who died from his treatment. A darker time is difficult to remember.
$100,000 in medical expenses were left behind him...expenses that resulted in his death.
I've been where you are...
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