If you say so...

There are three kinds of War.

War over religion (This includes ethnics)
War over Politics (Can also include ethnics and religion)
War over Power (Includes Politics and ethnics and Religion)

War does not bring peace, preventing war brings peace.

The real hero of the next War, will be the one who prevents it.

War makes Human life Cheap, and everything else dear.

In peace, Sons bury their fathers, In war Fathers bury their sons.

Nuff said, I'll shut up

there are plus sides to it aswell.

WW2 created the V2 Rocket, which enabled us to go to space, which created computers, which lead to robotics, which computers making our lives easier, which makes computers and robotics lead to reasearch purposes , which will eventually lead to the cure for diseases (cancer, aids etc) which will eventully save millions of lives.

But that's just WW2, most of the other wars have solved nothing and gave us nothing.


And how many of you wouldn't be here if it wasn't for wars. My grandma and grandpa met in WW2.

I'm sure there are a few...

Right this isnt that big a deal and i can see how it happens but.............

The England is a nation within the United Kingdom (britain) along with Scotland, Wales and Nothern Ireland. We (in the other home nations) get really annoyed when described as "English" because well..... we're not. Its nothing against the english understand as am sure they wouldnt like to be described as welsh lol (who would?... lol only kiddin )

Dowdy i agree in part with what your saying though.. the only reason technology moves on in war is because it has to, mankind has the ability to do it whenever though it only has the will to do it when pushed.

Its very unfair to say chamberlain didnt oppose hitler, he wasnt as strong willed as churchill but he was doin what he though was the right thing for britain. We werent prepared for war, all branches of our military had been massively downsized after WW1. Chamberlain knew this , he hated hitler and knew war was inevetiable he just tried to delay until britain was strong enough to fight him.

In giving up parts of cezcslovakia he knew it would delay hitler long enough. Dont forget hitler wanted war in 1938 , in his opinion he had been defeated that day. Tactically in that respect chamberlain did everyone a favour. If britain had wen to war them we would have almost certainly been defeated.

Ok i see what your saying, theres nothing wrong with sticking up for your nation. However you need to step back sometimes and think "ok is what i am doing here the right thing".

For instance take your comment on the third world, Now your right theres far too much suffering in the world FAR too much, but why arent we gettin rid of their dictators and corrupt leaders IE: Mugabe?

Its because it doesnt suit us, now we live in very good and nice countries, however it doesnt mean our foreign policies are correct just because our government says so.

Hell if we didnt question everything they did it wouldnt be democracy rather it would be a dictatorship and in the end we would be no better than these third world dictators.

When we question America, britain or any country in west's foreign policies it isnt an attack on the country itself, its just the people excersing their god given right to ask thats all. We cant just let our leaders , who dont always know whats best, do what they want. Remember even our leaders are human beings and can make mistakes at crucial times.

So in future dont take it so personally

WWI & WWII also gave us mustard gas, gas chambers, prison camps, machine guns, tanks & millions dead.

My grandparents did not meet in during WWII, they were seperated by it. My grandfather was held prisoner by by Germans. My grandmothers both lost young children due to WWII.

Advances learned in battlefield medicine are learned only because with each war we also learn to cause even more damage to the human body & soul.

The billions spent on technology for war could be much better spent on:

1. universal health care for every man woman & child on this planet
2. food & shelter for every man, woman & child on this planet
3. education for every man, woman & child on this planet

As SC would say "Peace be with you"

Dot9M

LoL think youve opened a can of worms there.

interestingly enough, when the US President was on meet the press that fat guy asked the question about why the US hasn't gone into North Korea, etc etc all those other countries which can be considered a threat, the answer was because the diplomatic process is still going, which seems like a fair comment. We aren't really privy to the talks behind closed doors, remember in the case of Saddam, he'd run everyone around for 20 years and diplomacy had run to its end.

wunarmdscissor. If you noted Mr. Screaming Eagle has been locked out.
I think he joined just to bash others from any country other than the US.
Suggest you look at his post history. You'll see what I mean.

A bunch of these to ya

Peace to you all

I would suggest you check out Left vs Right in General Discussion.
This forum is evolving away from bitter, hateful, rhetoric and hopefully this
thread will help you see that others think differently than you and I on many
issues. It doesn't make them right ...but then neither are you or I always
right....sometimes we think wrongly because we don't take the other
point of view in its own context. A link to the thread is provided below:
Left vs Right

It actually seems to be pretty accurate....*wait...that can't be right...agreeing
with Talon?!...*

I think if one put their head to it one could probably construct a rather
elaborate model similar to Talon's which goes back to the beginning of man's
history. Wars grow out of each other. At a distance they all seem different and
far removed from one another. Good point Talon.

I think someone has already done this. I've been trying to find it so I could add a link, but so far the best I can come up with is the history of mankind. Even though you can follow some of the major wars it doesn't give the minor little conflicts.

But, after all these centuries of humans being on the planet, you would think that man would have learned how to prevent war instead of ways to make war easier.

Celumnaz,

Good point overall. I don't know if finding better methods of war is the answer. We sure have found better ways of killing people en masse. They have yet to devise a bullet or bomb or any other device that can determine the enemy vs the friendly.

I'm not sure if changing DNA will solve the problem. Hate is a learned characteristic.
Envy is also learned to some extent. (Some people just have to have more.)

Let's see...if you take 20 broken bones to avoid a fight...I don't think you
avoided a fight...I think you would be the VICTIM of a fight.

Tough call for Christians..Jesus said to turn the other cheek. I will defend
myself or someone else to the death.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words....this doesn't say anything.
Care to elaborate?

Yes, I do. I was editing what I had just posted but had to leave the forum because my little guy needed me.

"Tough call for Christians..Jesus said to turn the other cheek. I will defend
myself or someone else to the death"

I agree completely with your last statement.

As a parent I am horrified by the violence that I see every day on the news, yet as a parent I also understand my capacity for violence. If someone were to hurt (or make the attempt) to hurt my child, I know that I could grieviously hurt that person. It's that simple.

Dot9M