If the great flood occurred which I am willing to bet on. The geographic variations becomes extremely important. The center of all large continents are geographical low and called a creaton. This will hold a shallow ocean, similar to the cretaceous period and act to super heat the atmosphere.

The only thing that will affect the long term pattern of earth will be a reduction in weight or an addition. Let us say we add weight to the moon, the equation of universal gravity says the moon will move closer to earth. This is because of an increase in gravitational attraction. So, removing weight from the moon will move it farther away.

Does that help?

I think I have figured out the filtration system they first used. In the beginning of Exodus there is a list of items that are needed to gather prior to the journey. The most important is the hard tack cracker but honey comes it second, “The land of milk and honey”

The filtration process used the honey to make the water palatable for animal consumption and then the Jews would take the goat’s milk or Lambs blood. This would be a natural filtration process.

Now, I love the use of Charcoal after they get to the spring and set up camp.

Activated charcoal is most effective at removing organic compounds such as volatile organic compounds, pesticides and benzene.

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/activatecharcoal

Activated carbon is produced from carbonaceous source materials like nutshells, wood and coal. It can be produced by one of the following processes:

1 Physical reactivation: = can use steam

2 Chemical activation = can be made with salts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_carbon

Activated charcoal adsorbs a huge amount of pollutants in the fish tank.

http://www.petfish.net/kb/entry/387/

I believe I could build a basic Activated carbon system and make the coal product over a weekend with basic tools. So this type of system is definitely possible. It would also make a spring with known bad water be a feasible safe zone. No one else would think about utilizing to a spring with bad water; even if it was on map.

In addition this line in Exodus indicates they are eating raw meat.



So it is possible that the wood at this site must be used to make the Activated charcoal system.

The Norse or Vikings did not have an extremely old “4,000 to 5,000 year” stories of anything. The rich folklore you mention came later in their history.

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainT...ParagraphID=epu

The Eddas and Sagas of Iceland: 9th - 13th century AD

Groups that lived on the edge of the glacier like the pre-Vikings or pre- Germanic peoples of northern Europe would be fighting for basic needs; food, shelter clean water. Time to record the history in folklore and lyrical music was just not available.

To have the time to record history, climate change and carve details into stone tablets would require a civilization with an abundance of resources which will only occurs in the warm equatorial region. So while an advanced culture developed in the equatorial region people in the north were fighting over caves and limited food resources. Cultural development was determined by the amount of resources and resources were determined by global latitude.

Following a great flood the unfortunate people in the north, “closer to the glaciers” would suffer the most devastation. Hence their recovery would be “slower” to recover, compared to the societies place along the equator. This would describe a developmental model based on Latitude and explain why the Indian tribes of North America had primitive dirt mounds, when the Mayan’s and Egyptains built stone temples.

I would say when the "totem poles" were first made, they knew why they were built. Now, their folklore has lost its impotence due to a lack of a written history. I believe any racial group could have advanced given that they had the resources to spend more time inventing and documenting history. I the case of the Aboriginal people they were just barely surviving due to the limited resources.

Limited resources in the Pacific Northwest?!

Yeah, this has settled nicely into Grade A, pseudo-historical silliness.

--Jaylemurph

Sorry, I have been making movies and thy are time eaters.

I got a good review today.


http://bhang.stumbleupon.com/

I have just devoured the book and must say that it is a profound analysis of our geological history. Not only did your book challenge some long held ideas I have; it also seemed to validate many suspicions I've had concerning ancient global "catastrophes". Such as the "Standing Siberian Mammoth" which was found frozen in the tundra and in the same region archaeologist discovered shredded trees, tiny bits of bones belonging to a vast array of animals, and lots of dust, stones and pebbles all frozen into a vast layer of sheet ice in the region. The only viable explanation is a huge global ice storm. I believe your Global Respiration concept is the best thesis on the socio-political and religious ramifications of these events I have yet to read. Thank you kindly.

I'm not sure where you're getting the 4-5 kya date from. It's nothing I suggested.



Nor am I disputing the dates of the Eddas. I'm just saying the Vikings were as literate as anyone else in Europe /at that time/. Granted, that's not saying a lot.



By that logic, sub-Saharan Africa should be the most advanced place on Earth, yet it's the poorest and least developed. And there are far more pre-literate societies near the Equator than farther North. That's got to be a big stumbling block to your theory. I think the biggest problem is that you're taking the multi-variable rise of civilsation and artificially reducing it to a cause and effect relationship.

--Jaylemurph

You only need to find one

Just because your theories make sense to you is no sign they make sense to anyone else.



Yes, tautologies are nice, aren't they? It's almost like actually saying something.



Tell /that/ to the Leakey clan.



Quite frankly, I've always thought your stance as a scientist was suspect. Your stance as a historian /certainly/ is, if you can say this with a straight face. To say sub-Saharan Africa "lacks water resources to develop a large population" is to say something that flies in the face of facts. What about the Congo River? The Niger? The Zambezi? Lake Victoria? Lake Tanganyika?

Seven of the ten most populous cities of Africa are in sub-Saharan Africa, clearly defying your dictum that there are no water resources to support them. And if these cities can be supported now, then certainly they held the ability for smaller, historical development.



Rent a boat. Dig a hole. Prove yourself.

--Jaylemurph

You haven’t read my book, here is a review from someone that just read the book.

http://bhang.stumbleupon.com/
I have just devoured the book and must say that it is a profound analysis of our geological history. Not only did your book challenge some long held ideas I have; it also seemed to validate many suspicions I've had concerning ancient global "catastrophes". Such as the "Standing Siberian Mammoth" which was found frozen in the tundra and in the same region archaeologist discovered shredded trees, tiny bits of bones belonging to a vast array of animals, and lots of dust, stones and pebbles all frozen into a vast layer of sheet ice in the region. The only viable explanation is a huge global ice storm. I believe your Global Respiration concept is the best thesis on the socio-political and religious ramifications of these events I have yet to read. Thank you kindly.




Are you talking about pholosiphy, rhetoric or building your own metaphor? I really don’t like to but people off but H2onE2 is based on basic soil science. I through in the space, history and religion stuff to get people interested and mad. Did I do one of those things for you?



Because all anthropologists are looking in the wrong place for an advances civilization? Maybe they should think more like a real estate agent and it would be all about, location, location, location.



Deep water aquifer drilling. You know Mexico City has dropped over 200 feet in altitude sucking off its aquifer. And, they need a glacial great flood to refill them.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geographicguide.net/africa/images/physical-africa.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.geographicguide.net/africa/physical-map.htm&h=1570&w=1600&sz=548&hl=en&start=6&um=1&tbnid=Y_Uxq1jFU0NY2M:&tbnh=147&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dafrica%2Bmap%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

Where there is water the land is rocky or the soil is bad. Yes Africa has some good land but not an over abundance of resources for ancient man to advance.



Now I know you do not like me.

I am not going near Tiran with a shovel but it might be in my next video.

Ahem... when I publish non-fiction, academic material, I (generally) get people from my chosen field to review it. Not that I'm averse to public acclaim, mind, but there is something satisfying in getting people who know what they're talking about to review your work. The fact that you can't generate that just sort of confirms my sneaking suspicions about your credentials. Surely there's a little justification for that?



No, your writing. Surely "If you go looking for ancient man in a cave you will only find a cave man" is tautological? If it isn't, explain why it isn't and I recuse myself.



What, because I hold you to your claims? Or are you somehow above the rest of science or history, and don't have to back your theories up with, you know, evidence?

--Jaylemurph

If you can get some academic person to review it I will make my work available. I didn’t really write the work for academy, I wrote it to slay academia. Why would they review a work designed to massacre them? Sure count me in.



It is not tautological because I am referring to a location where to find a primitive man. It just turns out to be a catchy phrase but it is no metaphor.



I wrote my work with chemistry, physics, history, religion and geology books, the science is built on basic theories; refraction, reflection, wave theory, gravity and lots of soil science. The difference is I made my work understandable to people outside the field by providing sensible and interesting examples. I didn’t reinvent the box. You would think with the substance and warnings from within my claims, someone from academia would feel responsible to review my work and examining my connections but it turns out you can’t count on them for nothing.

Billy

You've already said it's not /for/ academics. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Personally, I'm not surprised you can't get someone who knows what they're talking about to look at your book, but you do have that classic pseudo-science love/hate relationship with actual science. It becomes really, really hard not to see your reaction to them as sour grapes...

--Jaylemurph

Not to mention in Plato "a declination of the Heavens, causing conflagrations (calamities) on Earth."

I never said it was a gradual natural change. When the load of ice falls out of the atmosphere instantaneously it is both catastrophic and instantaneous. The instantaneous transformation from ice to water is following the steady state equation, chemistry 101. Plato is not the best resource for basic chemistry. He was more of a general philosopher.

I used academies foundation, chem 101, physics 201, ext. so it would be their pseudo-science not mine. My book is the first one ever named after a web page. I knew I would get sour grapes from the start. In addition most religious people will find the material objectionable. So I have a defined population that will reject the work for ideological reasons and call the work pseudo-science without review. Which group do you fall into?

You keep digging a hole for yourself every time you try to sound like someone with "real" academic standing. You can't even use the terminology correctly. Subject 101 or 201 are /hardly/ universal designations for elementary class study levels: if you use basic science, then by all means say so, and save some face.



Do you even bother to check out these kinds of claims? If this were 1992, you might just be able to pull of that claim, but it's pretty ludicrous to suggest that now. I've got three books in my library at least that counter that fact.

--Jaylemurph

Than you should be able to explain why a leading cause of death in sub-Saharan Africa is due to water born illnesses and lack of food? If they have all this great water then why are countries sending grain shipments to feed the population?

Between 1085000 and 2187000 deaths due to diarrhoeal diseases can be attributed to the 'water, sanitation.

http://www.unesco.org/water/wwap/facts_fig...sic_needs.shtml

Surely the existence of "water born" [sic] illnesses begs the question of whether or not there's water there?

--Jaylemurph

You must really feel threatened by my book and videos to attack small, insignificant points. Are you afraid you will have to be making up a new lesson plan in the future?

Definitely the sign of a weak mind.

How about defending your statement about the lack of water and relating this to your other statement about the huge number of casualties due to water-borne illnesses in the area?

You can't make both claims, you know. And neither is "small" or "insignificant."

You have destroyed whatever tiny iota of credibility you may have previously held with even the most uneducated poster (other than yourself, that is) that wasted their time reading your drivel.

Harte

Did you see the link he posted, it is clear that even though Africa is filled with rivers the water that people drink is not sanitary. It's the lack of sanitation that causes the water borned diseases not the actual lack of water sources. Unless you were right next to a river running fresh drinking water, you rely on sanitation, it isn't happening over there.
I am not connected to mains water, I draw water from a creek and during the dry season my creek becomes brown and hardly runs. Since I also live where the Dengue mosquito is, I have to be extremely careful of disease. Wrigglies in the water that then sit in my water tank etc. An animal may have died and be in it, people run their septic systems into it. Just because I live in a developed country and have a creek on my backdoor that generally runs well, does not mean I have access to clean drinking water. You can have tonnes of water borne illnesses coming from an area with very little water, more so actually than if you had sanitary drinking water laid on.

Surely this is all incidental to what he's arguing. He said (wrongly -- let's not forget he's arguing against the history he hasn't bothered to learn, so doesn't know he's stated out with a false premise) that no major civilisations developed in Sub-Saharan Africa because there was no water, full stop. It was only once he was thoroughly proven wrong that he changed his story to there not being "clean" water, since that's seems a bit more tenable. But it isn't. Nobody else /at the time/ -- i. e., centuries or millennia ago, take your pick -- had any preventatives for "water born illnesses" [sic], but were at least as susceptible, and had as dirty the water.

--Jaylemurph

Buddy of mine has creek water in his cabin in the hills of North Carolina.

One year, he noticed low flow and a funny taste. A day or so later he hiked up the hill to look in his reservoir in a deep part of the creek.

Dead, rotten rabbit in the reservoir.

Didn't get sick. Also didn't tell the wife.

Harte

OK, I got onto the sanitation because you threwn in about being poor and least developed when I see that as only being because of bad economics, but you have stated that civilisations should be as advanced as other contempories of early civilisations in sub Sahara, to which he counteracted with it's because of no water, I don't think it's because of no water exactly, it's because the water that was there was not the sort of water that you could use for farming, the Nile is the only one and as we see, it's hot and has water, early, advanced - so Egypt was the only place that really thrived. Only the Nile floods and fertile soils in a hot climate, so it's not really because of no water, or even unsanitary water, it's because the water source in combination with the land type was useless for farming. That and more time to establish other cultural ideas - which generally happened in warmer areas.

So saying sub Sahara had no water (for farming) therefore no early civilisations sprung up, is correct, in a way.

They /do/ farm in Sub-Saharan Africa. A lot. Not in the sort of huge industrial way that farming is now in the West, but there's a great deal of agriculture -- yams, for example. And okra. Peanuts. /And/ cash crops: lots of the world's coffee is gown in SSA: in Kenya, Ethiopia, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi.

That's hardly "useless for for farming".

--Jaylemurph

OK, fair enough, but all I'm saying, is farming is what makes a civilisation form, therefore constant water supply in fertile soil in warm conditions is best for farming, hence where civilisations spring up. No water supply with an area to farm, no early civilisations. They all developed on river systems able to sustain farming. Then depending on the abilities of that civilisation depended on whether they could sustain it or not. So I agree with H2onE2 about needing water to establish an advanced culture which gives time to then think more about 'things', advancing them religiously and culturally. They may have farmed there obviously to feed themselves but then he brings up the point of trade - if there is no trade, you won't diversify in any way. Look at Aboriginals, generally isolated on the Australian continent for near 50,000 years and still Stone Age until 200 odd years ago, they were very culturally advanced but technically disadvanced. They had no farming. Farming brings invention and without a need to develop, you stay in the past.

So farming, water and trade are essential for civilisations to develop technically but not necessarily culturally. That's why Norse people have a rich mythology but not much technology going on in ancient times, maybe also that's what H2onE2 sort of meant.

I am finding this interesting even though it seems all very jumbled. You start the topic with saying Exodus is a survival manifesto....like a warning on climate change and how to survive it, which I think is pretty good, the dimensions of the ark are pretty indepth, why bother with all that info telling us how big the ark WAS. Now I'm not religious at all but it seems like you I am interested in looking past it into myths, religion, history and making something of it all.

Now, Plato was much more than a general philosopher, he was also a mathematician and introduced all sorts of concepts that are relative to everything.
You seem to mention Atlantis and Atlantean societies alot in your web page but then dismiss him.

I never said anything about gradual change, I quoted some Plato. Plato was well read on Herodotus histories. He also knew many of the old stories. Now we know there was a slight tilt in the axis of the Earth approx 9000 years ago. Now, in Plato story of Atlantis he is talking about a declination of the Heavens, which is a movement downward, it isn't really the same definition of today, the Earth changed it's tilt and it has been noted in early history. I think it would have been pretty sudden, where in relation to this event do you place your ring of ice falling?

Zimbabwe used to be farmed to European levels ...... Of course, it's useless for farming now. But that's another story

Having looked over this again I'm trying to make sense of it. I asked you in a previous post when did you think the Ring of Ice fell, you havent got back to me but I did see in another forum you have this same post on, you have explained the mass extinctions of 10,000 years ago by it. You are going to bundle the Creation, the Flood and the parting of the Red Sea into one......

The Red Sea opening has happened prior to the finding of the manna so how could a flood occur from the ring of ice AFTER you have explained the Red Sea parting as the tsunamis from the ring of ice falling? Or has the extinction happened after the parting of the Red Sea? Or do you see the people of Moses time living around 10,000 years ago? It would have to since we know the date of the extinctions. So you are putting Moses at 10,000BC?


Hardtack is not Matza, which is the unleavened bread spoken about in the Bible.
There are numerous explanations behind the meaning of matza. One is historical: Passover is a commemoration of the exodus from Egypt. The biblical narrative relates that the Israelites left Egypt in such haste, they could not wait for their bread dough to rise. The resulting product was matza. (Exodus 12:39). The other reason for eating matza is symbolic: On the one hand, matza symbolizes redemption and freedom, but it is also (lechem oni), "poor man's bread." Thus it serves as a reminder to be humble, and to not forget what life was like in servitude. Eating the "bread of affliction" is both a lesson in humility and an act that enhances one's appreciation of freedom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matzo

The manna is not the Matza or hardtack as you refer to it. Manna is not a bread, it is called a bread as a metaphor for food. It is seperate from the Matza. The manna was the 'ice flakes' not the unleavened bread. Nevertheless the manna was kept in a jar to be held through the generations. Eating unleavened bread as a ritual but just keeping manna for generations. Maybe it's the manna not the 'hardtack' that you need to be keeping for that climate change disaster...

But I do see the logic in that one, taking hardtack on a long journey....and I will keep working through your theory.

I am making a video on Exodus now and haven't been able to spend time on my posts. I am rejecting the timeline but absorbing the events and environments. There is proof to Moses existing in Egypt during the correct period but in the Exodus story he takes on the identity, actions and knowledge of someone that existed 10,000 years ago and survived the last catastrophic climate event.

Chronicles of the Jew in the Gentile Calendar
3761 BC Estimated Date of Creation.
2705 BC Noah and the Flood.
1313 BC The Exodus, Moses leads his people from Egyptian rule.
1272 BC The Jews enter the Land of Israel.
907 BC King David born.
849 BC King Solomon born.
833 BC King Solomon builds the Holy of Holies.
422 BC Destruction of the first Temple, Judah exiled to Babylon. End of the first temple period.
352 BC Holy Temple rebuilt. End of Era of Prophecy and beginning of Mishnaic Era. Second Temple period.
333-63 BC Hellenistic Conquest by Alexander the Great.
63-313 AD The Roman army led by Titus conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple in 70 AD. Jewish people were then exiled and dispersed to the Diaspora.




Hardtack is food designed to be carried on military campaigns and long sea voyages. What cultural impotence was made from a cultural tradition was not explored by me. These religious stories are metaphors written in a different language, so interpretation needs some flexibility or room to be expanded upon. Manna can also have duel meanings. If Manna is the ice flakes, I am ok with that because it will re-enforces the Ring of Ice concept. And, the fact that ice can not build to 600 feet tall over New York without a perturbation of an equally large quantity in the upper jet stream.

I have been waiting on a human voice track but it hasn't showed up yet. I also dumbed down the video to reach a larger population.

Some how I got the idea that is would be funny to make a video that is not funny, but it turns out to still be not funny.

Billy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW-SX9Ab4ls

Note: this is just a draft video

Ring of Ice?

You have to be kidding...I dare you to elaborate.

I am hoping that your explanation won't border on the theory that the flood waters came from the upper atmosphere in the form of ice crystals etc.

I've been studying ancient Egypt for more than twenty years and never once have I come across the scantiest bit of evidence for the biblical Moses there. In fact, outside the Old Testament, there is no evidence at all for the existence of the biblical Moses.

I do think it's possible that Noah's story was 'flood survival advice'. There had been other deluges, (Plato) at least 3 before Noah's, who compares to Deucalion as in building an ark.
Why are the instructions in the Bible so precise otherwise?
So if civilisation had already had a huge deluge before Noah, 3 actually, that could be remembered, it would seem logical that instructions on how to survive so that in the future the people who believed in God (God's wrath) would be saved, would be included for future generations.

But that wouldn't happen again, would it? After Noah and his family survived the flood, Yahweh made a covenant with man to promise that he would never destroy the world again. Well, then the Christians turned up and added all that grim stuff in Revelations, so maybe in the end God will find a loophole.

I haven't been paying much attention to this discussion because the argument H2onE2 made in the original post seemed a bit, um, jumbled, to say the least. And I think H2onE2 is trying to make way too much out of the Noah myth and is applying quite an anachronistic approach. I rather doubt the tellers of this tale in ancient Israel were giving much thought to a "flood-survival manual" when they were sharing the adventures of Noah with their listeners. This is a cautionary tale about the righteous escaping God's wrath while the wicked perish, and little more.

There are around twenty major world cultures that have or have had flood myths, and the Judaic version is rather a johnny-come-lately, at that. We have to place it in its proper context in time and place. Much earlier in history is the Mesopotamian flood story that would eventually find its way into the ancient Sumerian epic of Gilgamesh, probably in the eighteenth or seventeenth century BCE. No one knows just how ancient the Mesopotamian version is, but in its most complete form it predates the biblical version by hundreds of years. We see how the Mesopotamian version spread throughout the Near East and ended up in translations in such places as Anatolia and Syro-Palestine. It's easy to see how the story would eventually come to the people who became the Hebrews in the Early Iron Age. It would've been transmitted among the early Hebrews in oral traditions because widespread literacy did not develop in Judah till late in the eighth century BCE.

The Hebrews put their own spin on it, of course. In the original Mesopotamian version the god Enlil caused the flood not because of man's sin and iniquity but simply because humans were loud and annoying. LOL Those Mesopotamian gods could be quite moody. In fact, the flood was the last of several attempts Enlil made to destroy mankind; prior to that he caused droughts, famine, and pestilence, but all the humans simply wouldn't die. The flood did the trick, except for the fact that another god took pity on a man named Utnapishtem and taught him to build an ark. From there on the similarities between Utnapishtem's story and Noah's story are remarkably similar; the logical person cannot simply dismiss them.

I say all this only to stress that other flood myths existed, some of them considerably older than the one we have in the Old Testament. It's nothing more than an example of oral tradition disseminating myths and fables throughout a region, and how one culture adapts a fable for its own agenda. Granted, however, Noah's story is one of the most entertaining parts of the Bible.

Who knows? Maybe the Discovery Channel could use it for an episode of Survivorman.

Noah only survived as did others in Flood stories, most have 2 survivors at least who were 'warned' about the Flood and repopulated the world, because he followed the advice to build the ark. I 'know' Noah did not get the message from God so where did he get it? If the flood stories worldwide are true and a flood did happen approx 4000 years ago, which was not the 1st big flood to happen, my take is, the people of 4000 years ago already had knowledge about a previous flood, possibly 7000 years ago, (Black Sea). I also think the different floods have been mixed up and enmeshed to become one worldwide flood when there were 3 or 4 from 10,000BC to 2000BC.
The part about building the ark or hiding in a sewn up log are for the listeners of the myths and stories to take heed of for next time God or whoever has a bad day. As they all have done for this flood (Noah's flood). Otherwise there would be flood stories but without the parts in them that forewarn people to build arks or go to mountaintops. If there had never been a flood and no one knew what they did how would anyone know to build anything to save themselves? These stories are told in a pre-tense of a part-tense event imo.
(eg God tells Noah to build the ark...cubits by...cubits and take in so many animals - when this event has already happened by the time the Old Testament is written starting 800BC. The stories are stories ABOUT the flood not about being IN the flood.)


um, jumbled....lol I think that myself and I actually have no real idea what this thread is about. I am muddling through and I don't even think he is saying what I am, I just felt is sort of went with the thread. I did ask H2 to explain it to me a bit better but...



Apparently there is near 175 flood myths!



"The flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh, Chapter XI was paraphrased or copied verbatim from the Epic of Atrahasis.[3] But editorial changes were made, some of which had long-term consequences. The sentence quoted above from Atrahasis III iv, lines 6-7: "Like dragonflies they have filled the river." was changed in Gilgamesh XI line 123 to: "Like the spawn of fishes, they fill the sea." We can see the myth-maker's hand at work here, changing a local river flood into an ocean deluge."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrahasis
There is an example of how the Gilgamesh flood was a flooding of a river. But also the Egyptians only have river flooding in their history.



I agree with you. God picked Noah because he was of good moral character, he wasn't saving just anyone, that's the agenda there - avoid immorality, have faith in God's instruction and you will be saved. At the same time, anyone who believes in the God will do what the one's who have done before them have done to save themselves, and should another huge flood be going to 'wash the sins from the Earth' again, the believers will know how to save themselves, while the unbelievers and one's unknowledgable to this advice will perish, ensuring only the moral and good survive again. Keep in mind a few pages after God says he will not destroy mankind again he send fire and brimstone down on Sodom and Gomorrah......seems like he forgot his promise there for a moment....then pretty much decimated Egypt with the 10 curses....but I do see your point on that one.

Ice in the upper ATM is not a new creation. If you ever see a white haze around the moon on a clear night, well that is ice. Sand and seeds can and do travel across oceans on strong upper wind patterns. The builders of the Empire State building complained of being hit with small seeds. These seeds were track to Midwest grain crops.

Basically, it is impossible for glacial ice to build to 600 feet tall above New York City without perpetuating an extremely large airborne load. As ice builds in the upper ATM the planet cools further in a perpetuating force. This creates a deep freeze and pushing the ice ring close to the equator eventually causing a great flood.

Moses was a character added to an older story to make it Jewish. The Jews simply understood the import environmental aspects of this story and adopted it into there culture. Most people get lost in the magical or spiritual aspects of religious text without attempting to explore the environmental change noted within the text.

My book is well organized, not like these posts tend to develop.

Really? Maybe you could come up with some back-up for that? Last time I checked, the Exodus story appears /only/ in the Bible and in no other source -- certainly not in older versions.

--Jaylemurph

I would agree that the story of Noah's flood is a Judaic adaptation of much older tales, most obviously that of Utnapishtem in Mesopotamia, but the story of Moses is purely Judaic from start to finish. It exists to show how the Jews were the chosen people of Yahweh and how Yahweh's laws were delivered to his people after they escaped bondage. The parting and subsequent collapse of the Red Sea is simply to remind the reader of Iron Age Judah how Yahweh will smite the enemies of his people. Why on earth would peoples living in the highlands of Judah in the Iron Age care the least about an ecological manifesto? They would've thought the mere idea of it quite odd. You're applying modern thoughts to people who lived ages ago--it's called anachronism.

Free signed book mailed to who ever voice or voices I use in the new video.


People hate the robot voice so I am looking for any one willing to provide a track, Wave, mp3, any file. I just can't do it because I have a bad voice from a broken nose. I like anything that is funny, Mr T., ethnic, Spanish accent just sound human M/F gay or straight.

link to test video/draft edit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW-SX9Ab4ls


H2 on E2, Glacial Respiration, Conceptual Ring of Ice, The End of Linear Western Religion,

Emancipates, Exodus, as a survival manifesto. This is an allegory, placed out of timed historical reference, to hide, a 10,000 year old, account of survival, during the great flood, specifically, transition from glacial winter to global summer. Documents the Plight, the journey and dangers, experienced at a climate collapse, termed, Glacial Respiration,. Uncovering environmental change from Exodus, requires the assumption that the great flood of Noah, creation and Moses parting of the Red Sea are, the same event. Different stories, absorbed by the Jews, adopted, and assimilated into their scripture.

After a global flooding event, the surviving population will face. Starvation, lack of clean drinking water and an increase in UV radiation.

Exodus Chapter 13.

... And Moses said. 'Remember this day, in which we came out from Egypt..no leavened bread, be eaten..

The bread this passage describes is, hardtack. A cracker made from flour, water, and salt. It is inexpensive, and long-lasting. Used on sea voyages, and military campaigns…

… And it shall be, when the LORD shall bring, thee into a land flowing, with milk and honey…

Interpretation, milk and honey, were required to survive this journey…

... Unleavened bread shall be eaten… none seen within all thy borders…

No other groups, have hard tack…

... And the LORD went before them, by day in a pillar of cloud…; and by night, in a pillar of fire, .., departed not from before the people...

Following a great flood, surface water would absorb the suns energy, and decrease the ozone level in the upper atmosphere. Ozone is created by incoming, and outgoing, radiation and surface reflection. The increased radiation would be stronger than a suntan booth, and rapidly burn skin. Hence, travel under a cloud by day…

Exodus Chapter 14…

…the children of Israel, encamp over, against the sea.. And the Egyptians pursued after them, by the sea…, and divide it; and the children of Israel shall go, into the midst, of the sea on dry ground…

The Jews camped, on a high peninsula, that projected into the ocean…

… and there was the cloud, and the darkness, yet gave it light, by night; and not near the other, all the night…

This describes the, Ring of Ice, prior to its collapse. At night the Ice crystals will light up with the moons reflection, and the stars would disappear, under this florescent ring, before they fall out, of the horizon…

… The LORD, caused the sea to go back, by a strong east wind all night, and made the sea dry land...

Similar to a Tsunami, the ocean waters first retracts, into the sea, in the form of a super tide, just prior to the first waves, coming ashore…

... And the children of Israel, went into the midst of the sea, upon the dry ground; and the waters were a wall unto them, on their right hand, and on their left…

They positioned themselves, on an elevated peninsula. This will reduce, and reflect the energy of the wave. In addition, strengthening and focusing the wave, along the adjacent shoreline.

... And the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them, into the midst of the sea…

When the ocean retracts, It is common for people to go and gather fish, and within minutes, are hit by a wall of water…

…the LORD looked forth upon… the Egyptians, through the pillar of fire, and cloud, and discomfited, the Egyptians…

The group that followed the Jews, did not understand the strengthened, ultra violet radiation…

Exodus Chapter 15…

… And Moses led Israel onward from the Red Sea, and they went out into the wilderness. three days and found no water…

Following a flood, clean drinking water would be hard to find. In Bangladesh and eastern India, monsoons cause seasonal flooding. Although, most deaths are related to dysentery…

... And when they came to Marah, they could not drink, the waters, for they were bitter..; and the LORD showed him a tree, and he cast it into the waters, and the waters were made sweet…

This is when the honey, became important. Most micro-organisms, will not grow in honey, because it has both antibacterial, and antifungal properties. Honey is superior to some, conventional antibiotics. Experiments have shown, that diluting honey, with water increases twofold, its bactericide properties…

This clearly indicates, that honey was used, to make water drinkable. When the water was not palatable for human consumption, the animals would drink it, and provide milk or blood. Hence it is, the land of milk, honey and lamb’s blood…

… And they came to Elim, where were twelve springs of water, and 75 palm-trees; and they encamped there by the waters…

Prior to Exodus, Moses kills an Egyptian, and flees into the desert. Possibly at this time, he located this isolated spring…

Exodus Chapter 16…

... Then said the LORD unto Moses: 'Behold, I will rain bread, from heaven…. gather a day's portion every day…

The bread referred to here, are Coconuts, provided by the palm trees, but must be, rationed daily…

… in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread…

The flesh eating indicates, that there is a lack, of firewood, and any meat must be eaten raw…

... the quails came up, and covered the camp…

This line indicates that birds will locate the water. As such, food will come to them…

..., behold upon the face of the wilderness a fine, frost on the ground…

The frost reference refers to the Ring of Ice, which transformed into rain, and caused the flood. The scripture, is now telling the reader, Ice forced the group, into this journey…

.. And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another: 'What is it?'…for they knew not what it was. And Moses said unto them: 'It is the bread, which the LORD hath given you to eat…

The bread is a metaphor, and indicates that the ice, is the force that altered, their diet…

.... And Moses said unto them…. Let no man leave of it till the morning.…

Due to the lack of firewood, meat could not be smoked; it would not last, longer than 12 hours…

… Six days ye gather it; but on the seventh day… there shall be none…

Food resources become growingly scarce,

... As the LORD commanded Moses, before the Testimony, to be kept…

The lord tells the leader, of the Jews, this knowledge must not be shared. Tell no one, because these conditions, will occur again in the future, and cause a movement of the people, This knowledge will lead you again, to Emancipation.
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Author: B Billy Marse, Professional Geologist
H2onE2 Glacial Respiration, Conceptual Ring of Ice, The End of Linear Western Religion
A Geological Exploration of an E2 Earthen Planet And the H2 Human Species

I don't think surviving the changing environment is an antique or modern thought. I think it created religion and defined its sacrificial components and keeps it alive even when it is disprove n on every level. Anachronism would then be a common human tradition, trait and reflection.

Hi,

Just checking all my post to make sure I have answered everything.

billy

This is a great subject to talk about. There are so many facts and theories on both sides of the fence. What gets my curiosity going is the ancient sumerian tablets of the flood which date back 2-4 thousand years before christ, which is six thousand years ago.

billy...its your way of interpreting things.

but it doesnt mean that everyone interprets it the same way you do.

i ha ve seen bible preachers interpret the same passage in 20 different ways.

the bible is a collection of mistranslated books.

you read them in english. how can you verify the originals?

I am only proposing my interpretations hoping others complete the research and wish they are not preachers but scientists, like me.

I like to go to the oldest literal “word for word” translation. It is the best I can do as a geologist. Major environmental / climatic change is everywhere in religion because they were created by environmental forces not religious deity.

Those are the best but extensions of those stories are everywhere. The church knew this a burned nearly every scroll of the south American ancient Indians; Mayans, Incas, ext.. Currently only 20% of Mayan stone writings have been interpreted for the reason they continue to support a great global flood story.