I am with you on this. It was exaggerated and there was no need for that. But then again, if people did not stand up to this (Not in the way that they did recently), more people would start doing it. That is the only reason that I can give you, that others might do the same thing.

We name ourselves after the Prophet (Peace be upon him) to show our respects and to show that we follow the same religion as he did. When you name a teddy bear after a Prophet, you have no respect for him, and your intentions must be negative (Unless you have no knowledge of these things).

And thank you for asking me this question. If the world could not live with Islam in the backyard, then World War 1 would have started 1400 years ago .

Here is a well-known quote: "The Western people worry that Nuclear weapons might one day fall in the hands of the Arabs. But they fail to realize that the Islamic Bomb has already been dropped - It fell on the day that Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon him) was born." -- Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson.

6. The Bible also asks women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}.

Here is a well-known quote: "The Western people worry that Nuclear weapons might one day fall in the hands of the Arabs. But they fail to realize that the Islamic Bomb has already been dropped - It fell on the day that Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon him) was born." -- Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson.[/font]

I don't know why (some) other cultures do this, but you have to remember this: Islam did not came into existence 1400 years ago. It was here since the first humans set foot on Earth. So maybe the traditions were kept the same from those times? Maybe not?

[font="Verdana"]Yes, I can give you several verses from the Qur'an + the Bible regarding women.

2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiastics 22:3}.

how many times are you ppl. gonna post this same topic! its getting old....

honestly- i dont care about any issues islam has

Is it true whats written in the quran is gods word and that it cannot be altered, denied or falcyfied?

2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiastics 22:3}.

9/11 was the work of Saudi dissidents - Muslims - angry at the U.S.' support for the oppressive Saudi regime. Up until 9/11, Bush was buddy-buddy with Taliban leaders, even entertaining them at his ranch. The Taliban initially supported Unical's bid to build a pipeline across Afghanistan, but changed their minds. 9/11 gave Bush the perfect excuse to invade and force the Taliban to permit the construction, but he forgot one little detail: ever try to provide security for hundreds of miles of pipeline?

The invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq are about controlling Mideast oil so as to control Mideast governments. It's geopolitics, pure and simple. The U.S. does not need the oil: we buy most of ours from Canada. We have huge still-untapped deposits in Oklahoma and Texas, except that it's deep oil and expensive to extract. But it's there and if we want to put up the money, we can use it.

The U.S. does not want bin Laden, at least not alive. If captured, he will probably be killed to keep him from talking. There are too many other people, including both Americans and Saudis who don't want his story getting to the press.

The American media are controlled by large conglomerates which are in turn controlled by just six men. Reporters know what they'll be fired for writing about, so for the most-part, they don't. In practice, America no longer has a free press. "News" as presented in the American press is about as "unfair and unbalanced" as profit will allow.

Just how cynical is our government? I hear rumblings of a plan to invade Iran this October should McCain be seriously behind in the polls. Hopefully, Americans would rally round their President's party and keep them in office. The Republican rationale for such a maneuver is that since they are losing the election anyway, they don't have anything to lose and the next administration will be stuck with cleaning up the mess.

So, A-Fighter, there is truth in what you say, but I don't think you have all the details right.
Doug

Srry to pop ur bubble dude but there are only 12 chapters in Ecclesiastes.

Also i have a question.Does the Koran command Muslims to kill infidels?If so then how come none of the Muslims I've met have killed me?

Finally, of course, many of the verses that we shall quote later advocating killing of unbelievers were taken by Muslims themselves to develop the theory of Jihad. Muslim scholars themselves referred to sura VIII.67, VIII.39, and Sura II.216 to justify Holy War. Again the context makes it clear that it is the battle field that is being referred to, and not some absurd moral struggle; these early Muslims were warriors after booty, land and women not some existential heroes from the pages of Albert Camus or Jean-Paul Sartre. Let us take another example: Sura IX. Here I have tried to use where possible translations by Muslims or Arabophone scholars, to avoid the accusation of using infidel translations. However, many Muslim translators have a tendency to soften down the harshness of the original Arabic, particularly in translating the Arabic word jahada, e.g. Sura IX verse 73. Maulana Muhammad Ali, of the Ahmadiyyah sect, translates this passage as: “O Prophet, strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be firm against them. And their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” In a footnote of an apologetic nature, Muhammad Ali rules out the meaning “fighting” for jahada. However, the Iraqi non-Muslim scholar Dawood in his Penguin translation renders this passage as: “Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.”

How do we settle the meaning of this verse? The whole context of Sura IX indeed makes it clear that “make war “in the literal and not some metaphorical sense is meant. Let us take another verse from this Sura, Sura IX.5: “Then, when the sacred months have passed away, kill the idolaters wherever you find them …” These words are usually cited to show what fate awaits idolaters. Well, what of the context? The words immediately after these just quoted say, “and seize them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.” Ah, you might say, you have deliberately left out the words that come after those. Let us quote them then, “If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.” Surely these are words of tolerance, you plead. Hardly: they are saying that if they become Muslims then they will be left in peace. In fact, the whole sura, which has 129 verses (approximately 14 pages in the Penguin translation by Dawood), in other words, the whole context, is totally intolerant; and is indeed the source of many totalitarian Islamic laws and principles, such as the concepts of Jihad and dhimmis, the latter proclaiming the inferior status of Christians and Jews in an Islamic state. All our quotes from the Arabic sources in Part One also, of course, provide the historical context of raids, massacres, booty, and assassinations, which make it crystal clear that real bloody fighting is being advocated.

First the idolaters, how can you trust them? Most of them are evildoers (IX. 8); fight them (IX. 12, 14); they must not visit mosques (IX. 18); they are unclean (IX. 28); you may fight the idolaters even during the sacred months (IX. 36). “It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin after it has become clear they are people of hell-fire.” (IX.113) So much for forgiveness! Even your parents are to be shunned if they do not embrace Islam: IX. 23 “O you who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you takes them for friends, such are wrong-doers.” In other words if you are friendly with your parents who are not Muslims, you are being immoral.

The theory of Jihad is derived from verses 5 and 6 already quoted but also from the following verses:

IX. 38 - 39: Believers, why is it that when it is said to you: ‘March in the cause of God ’, you linger slothfully in the land? Are you content with this life in preference to the life to come? Few indeed are the blessings of this life, compared to those of the life to come. If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men.
IX. 41: Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of God, with your wealth and with your persons. IX. 73: Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal harshly with them.

The word that I have translated as fight is jahid. Some translators translate it as go forth or strive. Dawood translates it as fight, as does Penrice in his Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, where it is defined as: To strive, contend with, fight –especially against the enemies of Islam. While Hans Wehr in his celebrated Arabic dictionary translates it as “endeavour, strive; to fight; to wage holy war against the infidels.”

As for the intolerance against Jews and Christians, and their inferior status as dhimmis, we have IX verses 29 –35:

“Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe neither in God nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His apostle have forbidden, and do not embrace the true faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.
“The Jews say Ezra is the son of God, while the Christians say the Messiah is the son of God. Such are their assertions, by which they imitate the infidels of old. God confound them! How perverse they are!
“They make of their clerics and their monks, and of the Messiah, the son of Mary, Lords besides God; though they were ordered to serve one God only. There is no god but Him. Exalted be He above those whom they deify besides Him!….
“It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters may dislike it.
“O you who believe ! Lo! Many of the Jewish rabbis and the Christian monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar men from the way of Allah; They who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings of painful doom …”

The moral of all the above is clear: Islam is the only true religion, Jews and Christians are devious and money-grubbing, who are not to be trusted, and even have to pay a tax in the most humiliating way. I do not think I need quote any more from Sura IX, although it goes on in this vein verse after verse.

Blimey all I did was ask you was there a such thing as a non believer living in a muslim country..like atheist...a simple yes or no would have cut it...and a straight forward WHAT happens to them would have done...but I get mumbo!! I take it you dont know all the answers, as you had tlo jump on to a web site to post up that whatever it was!!!

Hey Becky, I have seen quite a bunch of Atheists in Turkey, and some in Syria too. In The Netherlands (where I reside) there is even a movement inside the Muslim community to resign from Islam entirely, and become an Atheist (these people are under constant threat of being murdered I should add). The Turkish have also tried to re-write the Qu'ran in the past, to make it more "modern" and applicable to our age.

WOW seriously??...........I had a feeling if they turned atheist, they would get some threat..but I wasnt 100% sure

I guess we should count ourselves lucky we dont live in a society that would do this...you can be free to follow whatever beliefs you wanted

Thanks for the straight forwad and informative answer... for I didn't think I was going to get one lol

Blimey all I did was ask you was there a such thing as a non believer living in a muslim country..like atheist...a simple yes or no would have cut it...and a straight forward WHAT happens to them would have done...but I get mumbo!! I take it you dont know all the answers, as you had tlo jump on to a web site to post up that whatever it was!!!

Great confusion exists in the minds of people interested to know more about Islam today

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If you are still confused about what point I am trying to make you can ask me

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A snippet of information on islamic belief


Jesus Christ is going to lead muslims to victory

I am sorry, but I do not seem to follow you at all? What are you trying to tell us with your posts?

Ahem

I can elaborate

Muslims believe that Jesus Christ will come back to this world. There will be a fight between good which will be muslim and evil. Jesus will side with the good side and lead them to victory. Jesus will then complete his life.
He will likely have family and children.

See you didnt know about this islamic belief did ya.

As for scientific possibilities feel free to visit my thread in the spirituality section.

Also i have a question.Does the Koran command Muslims to kill infidels?If so then how come none of the Muslims I've met have killed me?

Hmm, so you are saying that Jesus will lead the Jihad? Do you have any links to references that confirm this? As yes, this is honestly the first time I hear about this, and in all my arrogance, I thought I was rather well informed about Islam for a none-Muslim.

9/11 was the work of Saudi dissidents - Muslims - angry at the U.S.' support for the oppressive Saudi regime. Up until 9/11, Bush was buddy-buddy with Taliban leaders, even entertaining them at his ranch. The Taliban initially supported Unical's bid to build a pipeline across Afghanistan, but changed their minds. 9/11 gave Bush the perfect excuse to invade and force the Taliban to permit the construction, but he forgot one little detail: ever try to provide security for hundreds of miles of pipeline?

The invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq are about controlling Mideast oil so as to control Mideast governments. It's geopolitics, pure and simple. The U.S. does not need the oil: we buy most of ours from Canada. We have huge still-untapped deposits in Oklahoma and Texas, except that it's deep oil and expensive to extract. But it's there and if we want to put up the money, we can use it.

The U.S. does not want bin Laden, at least not alive. If captured, he will probably be killed to keep him from talking. There are too many other people, including both Americans and Saudis who don't want his story getting to the press.

The American media are controlled by large conglomerates which are in turn controlled by just six men. Reporters know what they'll be fired for writing about, so for the most-part, they don't. In practice, America no longer has a free press. "News" as presented in the American press is about as "unfair and unbalanced" as profit will allow.

Just how cynical is our government? I hear rumblings of a plan to invade Iran this October should McCain be seriously behind in the polls. Hopefully, Americans would rally round their President's party and keep them in office. The Republican rationale for such a maneuver is that since they are losing the election anyway, they don't have anything to lose and the next administration will be stuck with cleaning up the mess.

This is really a reply to Watchful, but it is easier to do it this way.

Googul "saudi dissidents 9/11" for more reading on the subject than you ever wanted to do.

Obviously, I can't divulge this one.

I hope this is wrong, but I fear it isn't.

Hi. I think you are right. This 'verse' is probably mistaken, for I can't find Chapter 22 either. But what if the source is wrong? Maybe the verse itself does exist, but in other words. For example, do you think that the Bible will (literally) say "The birth of a daughter is a loss." Anyway, I think that I was the one mistaken, so I apologize to everyone... I am sorry for lying about this verse in the Bible. (Well done Karlis, for finding out the truth about these kind of things).

W, I love that kitty!

MK,

Sean

Although A-fighter has retracted, it may be worth noting that he was apparently thinking of Ecclesiasticus 22:3 (Also known as Sirach)

A son ill taught is the confusion of the father: and a foolish daughter shall be to his loss

Ecclesiaticus is not in the Jewish canon, but is canonical in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches, and appears as an aprocryphal book in some Protestant Bibles.

In any case, the passage is obviously entirely different from what the poster quoted.

So you are saying that because Islamic countries did not 'advance', they invented the Hadiths? Please explain it a bit further.

The crime rates are higher in the west I agree, however, I cannot veiw sharia law as a good system. It's a harsh system used to prevent crimes through fear. I guess it'd be a better system if sharia law completely eradicated crime, however it hasn't.

Although, I perfer the Soviet Union Communist tackle on crime. Although, as with the Soviet Union, Stalin perverted communism by being above everyone else. And ruled through fear instead of equality... But anyway, the gulags put prisoners to use, doing physical work instead of letting them sit on their arses watching tv or playing a playstation (like in the UK.)

So I disagree with Shariah law - perfering secularism to theocracy - although different country different way.

No no, when the zealots took over power in islamic countries, they prevented the further advancing of arab technology. Is what I meant. Although it was starting to stagnate anyway...