i have allways been fasinated by shapechangers in lore and culture.i am also quite geeky.i had some college sciences.nothing fancy.I am posting my ''Theory'' on werewolf/ shapechanger abilities.The main one is molding ones shape to another form. ie shapeshifting. along with plausable accounts of how it could be done. Think science meets myth.
does anyone remember in school about molecular agitation theory in solids? in other words electrical current being used to elicit flexability of solids by agitating the protons,neutrons and electrons that surround a nucleus of matter to make them fluid? what if a person, ie is differant enough to electrically induce fluidity in the human body using internal electrical stimulus? the stimulus is derived from there own nerves.because nerves produce electrical discharges when fired. it would be a controlled seizure,of every nerve fiber in the body,type thing.the body is made up of water and isolate minerals,most of wich are conductive.it just might work.but.......... is it possible? lets look at an off subject a minute. martial arts. yes, martial arts. they have great control of all aspects of human body,mind and spirit. they use chi energy to do astounding things. chi is simular to electrical impulse.that can be a factor too. ok,now how would this do anything. lets try a senerio shall we?
lets say,a person is a bit differant in his/her brain and internal wiring,has control of his/her chi energy.and has desire to shapeshift.
lets say the control factor is chi,the active is electrical impulse from the brain,and a body is the conductor/changed object here.
chi can begin to rise and control body.instigating a controlled electrical seizure strong enuff to agitate the bodies molecular structure.agitation causes friction. friction in the cells make heat. and between heat,agitation,and electricity,the body loosens.then hormonal changes like adrenilane and ephinephrane kick,producing an increase in neural activity wich feuls the change in shape.the person then does a series of movements so the fluid body snaps into new location.eliciting a slight change in body,and power.hair can come to fur by high amounts of growth hormones and testosterone.seizure can change sensory inputs,to highten senses.power and speed the residual adrenaline and epi. seizure post ictal is the abnormal thought pattern/and rage of the animal.
now i may be a little off on that. but think of other neural disease in humans. seizures, and neural wireing diseases. also think we have not tapped the brains full potential. what if someone was more 'evolved' and could? or what if a brain anomaly 'rewired' the persons placement of brain wireing,running through a diffeant neural pathway than most humans?
it could happen,in theory.
but if not or so, werewolves will allways be a fantasic natural force. whether in minds of men or in real nature.
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Wishful thinking at best. Thats a whole bunch of what if's.
I vote NO.
I vote NO.
I think you are giving mystical powers to 'martial arts' users, something we westerners attribute far too much power.
Most of those claims are dubious at best, and you are basing your whole theory on it.
Most of those claims are dubious at best, and you are basing your whole theory on it.
QUOTE (dark prophecy @ Apr 8 2008, 05:55 PM) 
i have allways been fasinated by shapechangers in lore and culture.i am also quite geeky.i had some college sciences.nothing fancy.I am posting my ''Theory'' on werewolf/ shapechanger abilities.The main one is molding ones shape to another form. ie shapeshifting. along with plausable accounts of how it could be done. Think science meets myth.
does anyone remember in school about molecular agitation theory in solids? in other words electrical current being used to elicit flexability of solids by agitating the protons,neutrons and electrons that surround a nucleus of matter to make them fluid? what if a person, ie is differant enough to electrically induce fluidity in the human body using internal electrical stimulus? the stimulus is derived from there own nerves.because nerves produce electrical discharges when fired. it would be a controlled seizure,of every nerve fiber in the body,type thing.the body is made up of water and isolate minerals,most of wich are conductive.it just might work.but.......... is it possible? lets look at an off subject a minute. martial arts. yes, martial arts. they have great control of all aspects of human body,mind and spirit. they use chi energy to do astounding things. chi is simular to electrical impulse.that can be a factor too. ok,now how would this do anything. lets try a senerio shall we?
lets say,a person is a bit differant in his/her brain and internal wiring,has control of his/her chi energy.and has desire to shapeshift.
lets say the control factor is chi,the active is electrical impulse from the brain,and a body is the conductor/changed object here.
chi can begin to rise and control body.instigating a controlled electrical seizure strong enuff to agitate the bodies molecular structure.agitation causes friction. friction in the cells make heat. and between heat,agitation,and electricity,the body loosens.then hormonal changes like adrenilane and ephinephrane kick,producing an increase in neural activity wich feuls the change in shape.the person then does a series of movements so the fluid body snaps into new location.eliciting a slight change in body,and power.hair can come to fur by high amounts of growth hormones and testosterone.seizure can change sensory inputs,to highten senses.power and speed the residual adrenaline and epi. seizure post ictal is the abnormal thought pattern/and rage of the animal.
now i may be a little off on that. but think of other neural disease in humans. seizures, and neural wireing diseases. also think we have not tapped the brains full potential. what if someone was more 'evolved' and could? or what if a brain anomaly 'rewired' the persons placement of brain wireing,running through a diffeant neural pathway than most humans?
it could happen,in theory.
but if not or so, werewolves will allways be a fantasic natural force. whether in minds of men or in real nature.
does anyone remember in school about molecular agitation theory in solids? in other words electrical current being used to elicit flexability of solids by agitating the protons,neutrons and electrons that surround a nucleus of matter to make them fluid? what if a person, ie is differant enough to electrically induce fluidity in the human body using internal electrical stimulus? the stimulus is derived from there own nerves.because nerves produce electrical discharges when fired. it would be a controlled seizure,of every nerve fiber in the body,type thing.the body is made up of water and isolate minerals,most of wich are conductive.it just might work.but.......... is it possible? lets look at an off subject a minute. martial arts. yes, martial arts. they have great control of all aspects of human body,mind and spirit. they use chi energy to do astounding things. chi is simular to electrical impulse.that can be a factor too. ok,now how would this do anything. lets try a senerio shall we?
lets say,a person is a bit differant in his/her brain and internal wiring,has control of his/her chi energy.and has desire to shapeshift.
lets say the control factor is chi,the active is electrical impulse from the brain,and a body is the conductor/changed object here.
chi can begin to rise and control body.instigating a controlled electrical seizure strong enuff to agitate the bodies molecular structure.agitation causes friction. friction in the cells make heat. and between heat,agitation,and electricity,the body loosens.then hormonal changes like adrenilane and ephinephrane kick,producing an increase in neural activity wich feuls the change in shape.the person then does a series of movements so the fluid body snaps into new location.eliciting a slight change in body,and power.hair can come to fur by high amounts of growth hormones and testosterone.seizure can change sensory inputs,to highten senses.power and speed the residual adrenaline and epi. seizure post ictal is the abnormal thought pattern/and rage of the animal.
now i may be a little off on that. but think of other neural disease in humans. seizures, and neural wireing diseases. also think we have not tapped the brains full potential. what if someone was more 'evolved' and could? or what if a brain anomaly 'rewired' the persons placement of brain wireing,running through a diffeant neural pathway than most humans?
it could happen,in theory.
but if not or so, werewolves will allways be a fantasic natural force. whether in minds of men or in real nature.
...............<<>> I vote (Yes)..................Joey
QUOTE (supervike @ Apr 8 2008, 06:37 PM)
I think you are giving mystical powers to 'martial arts' users, something we westerners attribute far too much power.
Most of those claims are dubious at best, and you are basing your whole theory on it.
Most of those claims are dubious at best, and you are basing your whole theory on it.
martial arts are in no way mystical. they rely soley on focus,concentration, and movement of naturally occurring essance,or chi.by utilising focused brain concentration,the chi can be moved to various pats of the body. making the body stronger,and faster. tai chi and qi gong are examles of enhanced chi. tai chi movements help one control the movement of the energy and qigong uses certain aspects to pull it from movements and apply it to healing.
it is not to say this energy will elicit a change. yet it could control the mechinisms using concentration skill,to precursor of eliciting a seizure in neuro anomily afflicted people.
merely using martial arts as a form of intense focus and essance awareness. lol
QUOTE (dark prophecy @ Apr 8 2008, 01:38 PM)
martial arts are in no way mystical. they rely soley on focus,concentration, and movement of naturally occurring essance,or chi.by utilising focused brain concentration,the chi can be moved to various pats of the body. making the body stronger,and faster. tai chi and qi gong are examles of enhanced chi. tai chi movements help one control the movement of the energy and qigong uses certain aspects to pull it from movements and apply it to healing.
it is not to say this energy will elicit a change. yet it could control the mechinisms using concentration skill,to precursor of eliciting a seizure in neuro anomily afflicted people.
merely using martial arts as a form of intense focus and essance awareness. lol
it is not to say this energy will elicit a change. yet it could control the mechinisms using concentration skill,to precursor of eliciting a seizure in neuro anomily afflicted people.
merely using martial arts as a form of intense focus and essance awareness. lol
Well, dude. That will not make you turn into a wolf. Sorry.
The basic science behind this idea is so wrong, I don,t even know where to start 
a good theory in my opinion but that would have to be one hell of a complicated nervous/hormonal system. plus i would imagine the heat needed may cause someone to spontaneously combust! lol
QUOTE (dark prophecy @ Apr 8 2008, 01:38 PM)
martial arts are in no way mystical. they rely soley on focus,concentration, and movement of naturally occurring essance,or chi.by utilising focused brain concentration,the chi can be moved to various pats of the body. making the body stronger,and faster. tai chi and qi gong are examles of enhanced chi. tai chi movements help one control the movement of the energy and qigong uses certain aspects to pull it from movements and apply it to healing.
it is not to say this energy will elicit a change. yet it could control the mechinisms using concentration skill,to precursor of eliciting a seizure in neuro anomily afflicted people.
merely using martial arts as a form of intense focus and essance awareness. lol
it is not to say this energy will elicit a change. yet it could control the mechinisms using concentration skill,to precursor of eliciting a seizure in neuro anomily afflicted people.
merely using martial arts as a form of intense focus and essance awareness. lol
But you had said in your OP of martial arts:
" they have great control of all aspects of human body,mind and spirit. they use chi energy to do astounding things"
I'm only saying that 'astounding things' is part of the fallacy. Certainly, exercise and mental concentration will help focus ones mind and body, but 'astouding things'?
Even dismissing 'shapeshifting' can you define "astounding things"?
QUOTE (supervike @ Apr 8 2008, 09:05 PM)
But you had said in your OP of martial arts:
" they have great control of all aspects of human body,mind and spirit. they use chi energy to do astounding things"
I'm only saying that 'astounding things' is part of the fallacy. Certainly, exercise and mental concentration will help focus ones mind and body, but 'astouding things'?
Even dismissing 'shapeshifting' can you define "astounding things"?
" they have great control of all aspects of human body,mind and spirit. they use chi energy to do astounding things"
I'm only saying that 'astounding things' is part of the fallacy. Certainly, exercise and mental concentration will help focus ones mind and body, but 'astouding things'?
Even dismissing 'shapeshifting' can you define "astounding things"?
to define astounding...... blackbelts can premeate bricks and boards with certain body parts with no visable or internal signs of physical damage to the tissues,or bone. the level of focus is astounding.the chi extends the energy to shatter the bricks.
they also have seemingly higher pain thresholds in combat,and can sustain injurys that would crumble others in pain with a quicker recovery during a fight.
not to mention the flexability,speed and levels of agility.
if you go to youtube or any martial arts acadamy,they will instruct you on chi.and its effects on the human body.
on the shapeshifting side, i never said it would,it MAY be a POSSIBLE element,not it does DO the following,and therefore it is a ''theory''. not all theories are fact.
QUOTE (dark prophecy @ Apr 9 2008, 03:55 AM)
...it could happen,in theory.
LOL.. not with THAT theory.. been reading too many comics?
The type of molecular agitation you are talking about is the buildup of energy in solids which causes their atoms to "vibrate" changing their structures & letting them become flexible & turn into liquid... Basically putting energy into something so it's atoms become excited and their covalent bonds weaken enough to change their solid state.... MELTING in other words
Firstly.. the amount of energy required to change the state of all the matter in our bodies into another "form" would be stupendously large... more than a human body could ever produce in a short period of time.
Secondly.. the type of molecular agitation you are talking about could only happen at high temperatures... temperatures which our cells can't handle without.. well.. being cooked & destroyed.
Thirdly.. your theory involves using hormones to produce more hair very very quickly.. if we ignore the fact that this process can't be sped up to the speed you are suggesting... again the energy & proteins required to make that much hair are not available in such a short amount of time.
Fourthly... the "theory" you suggest only skims the very top of know processes and chemical reactions our bodies are capable of. You're using the very very basic outcome of a reaction as an explanation while ignoring the reactions, energy, time, limitations and any of the relevant details. The steps you've used to get from A to B are what comic books use to make "plausible" explanations for superpowers.
The explanations you're using are more like basic word association...
"Hmm.. i need a solid to change shape... solids change shape by molecular agitation (melting) yeah i'll use THAT"
"Hmmm.. now i need energy... the body produces electricity... yeah.. electricity sounds good"
"Hmmm.. i need something to speed up a process.. adrenaline is associated with speeding up.. yeah i'll use adrenaline as the explanation"
"Oh, now i need something to control it... martial arts is good for mental discipline... yeah that sounds like a good explanation"
It's like the Willy Wonka of theories.. "hmmm i need this candy to have more KICK... BOOTS kick stuff.. YEAH i'll put a BOOT in the recipe!"
QUOTE (dark prophecy @ Apr 8 2008, 04:55 PM)
i have allways been fasinated by shapechangers in lore and culture.i am also quite geeky.i had some college sciences.nothing fancy.I am posting my ''Theory'' on werewolf/ shapechanger abilities.The main one is molding ones shape to another form. ie shapeshifting. along with plausable accounts of how it could be done. Think science meets myth.
does anyone remember in school about molecular agitation theory in solids? in other words electrical current being used to elicit flexability of solids by agitating the protons,neutrons and electrons that surround a nucleus of matter to make them fluid? what if a person, ie is differant enough to electrically induce fluidity in the human body using internal electrical stimulus? the stimulus is derived from there own nerves.because nerves produce electrical discharges when fired. it would be a controlled seizure,of every nerve fiber in the body,type thing.the body is made up of water and isolate minerals,most of wich are conductive.it just might work.but.......... is it possible? lets look at an off subject a minute. martial arts. yes, martial arts. they have great control of all aspects of human body,mind and spirit. they use chi energy to do astounding things. chi is simular to electrical impulse.that can be a factor too. ok,now how would this do anything. lets try a senerio shall we?
lets say,a person is a bit differant in his/her brain and internal wiring,has control of his/her chi energy.and has desire to shapeshift.
lets say the control factor is chi,the active is electrical impulse from the brain,and a body is the conductor/changed object here.
chi can begin to rise and control body.instigating a controlled electrical seizure strong enuff to agitate the bodies molecular structure.agitation causes friction. friction in the cells make heat. and between heat,agitation,and electricity,the body loosens.then hormonal changes like adrenilane and ephinephrane kick,producing an increase in neural activity wich feuls the change in shape.the person then does a series of movements so the fluid body snaps into new location.eliciting a slight change in body,and power.hair can come to fur by high amounts of growth hormones and testosterone.seizure can change sensory inputs,to highten senses.power and speed the residual adrenaline and epi. seizure post ictal is the abnormal thought pattern/and rage of the animal.
now i may be a little off on that. but think of other neural disease in humans. seizures, and neural wireing diseases. also think we have not tapped the brains full potential. what if someone was more 'evolved' and could? or what if a brain anomaly 'rewired' the persons placement of brain wireing,running through a diffeant neural pathway than most humans?
it could happen,in theory.
but if not or so, werewolves will allways be a fantasic natural force. whether in minds of men or in real nature.
does anyone remember in school about molecular agitation theory in solids? in other words electrical current being used to elicit flexability of solids by agitating the protons,neutrons and electrons that surround a nucleus of matter to make them fluid? what if a person, ie is differant enough to electrically induce fluidity in the human body using internal electrical stimulus? the stimulus is derived from there own nerves.because nerves produce electrical discharges when fired. it would be a controlled seizure,of every nerve fiber in the body,type thing.the body is made up of water and isolate minerals,most of wich are conductive.it just might work.but.......... is it possible? lets look at an off subject a minute. martial arts. yes, martial arts. they have great control of all aspects of human body,mind and spirit. they use chi energy to do astounding things. chi is simular to electrical impulse.that can be a factor too. ok,now how would this do anything. lets try a senerio shall we?
lets say,a person is a bit differant in his/her brain and internal wiring,has control of his/her chi energy.and has desire to shapeshift.
lets say the control factor is chi,the active is electrical impulse from the brain,and a body is the conductor/changed object here.
chi can begin to rise and control body.instigating a controlled electrical seizure strong enuff to agitate the bodies molecular structure.agitation causes friction. friction in the cells make heat. and between heat,agitation,and electricity,the body loosens.then hormonal changes like adrenilane and ephinephrane kick,producing an increase in neural activity wich feuls the change in shape.the person then does a series of movements so the fluid body snaps into new location.eliciting a slight change in body,and power.hair can come to fur by high amounts of growth hormones and testosterone.seizure can change sensory inputs,to highten senses.power and speed the residual adrenaline and epi. seizure post ictal is the abnormal thought pattern/and rage of the animal.
now i may be a little off on that. but think of other neural disease in humans. seizures, and neural wireing diseases. also think we have not tapped the brains full potential. what if someone was more 'evolved' and could? or what if a brain anomaly 'rewired' the persons placement of brain wireing,running through a diffeant neural pathway than most humans?
it could happen,in theory.
but if not or so, werewolves will allways be a fantasic natural force. whether in minds of men or in real nature.
I have one very good theory for Unicorns and Dragons and Werecreatures, and most if nt all Mythological creatures, it is Mycotoxins: (My-co-tox-ins)…Tainted Bread… How many people in history and at present throughout the world have been wrongly accused of being crazy or demonized or mentally ill do to the intoxication of Mycotoxins, one has to wonder and ask such a question.
Delusional Animals and accusations of being a witch because of seeing things and acting far out of line in extreme behavioral fits of rage and violence,
Mycotoxins
Mycotoxins: (My-co-tox-ins)
Food (Grains and breads) invading Mycotoxins…can very well be a causing factor and can be the very reason for mass hysteria of a very large scale or on an individual event or events.
Mycotoxins can cause hallucinations such as we saw in the Salam Witch trials where a wheat mold spore was responsible, this may not have directly killed the person afflicted by the ruling and governing and or religious authorities killed the victims as a believe that the victims were in fact evil, possessed by the Devil or were Witches or warlocks do to their puritan ignorance’s and fear fed by would leading religious leaders or as fed fears from the christen bible in a miss guided way.…affecting the baked loafs of bread if those spores were present and multiplied and consumed…
From the beginning of organized crop production through into this present day agriculture, Mycotoxins-toxic metabolites produced by fungi--have presented health risks to both human and animal populations. Mycotoxins are secondary metabolites produced by certain molds that infect food crops in the field and during storage.
Consuming a mass quantity of Mycotoxins causes acute toxicity in animals and humans who eat the contaminated crops of foods prepared…causing dilutions and paranoia…cancer and is some cases death…
I also have to wonder if possibly specific black molds found in homes and old buildings of disrepair or as in a home of dampness and in disrepair can also cause hallucinations.
Sorry but you are looking for scinentific explanations here I take it D.P.
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Pavot…
Science doesn't even apply to half the stuff on these forums.
QUOTE (dark prophecy @ Apr 8 2008, 04:46 PM)
to define astounding...... blackbelts can premeate bricks and boards with certain body parts with no visable or internal signs of physical damage to the tissues,or bone. the level of focus is astounding.the chi extends the energy to shatter the bricks.
they also have seemingly higher pain thresholds in combat,and can sustain injurys that would crumble others in pain with a quicker recovery during a fight.
not to mention the flexability,speed and levels of agility.
if you go to youtube or any martial arts acadamy,they will instruct you on chi.and its effects on the human body.
on the shapeshifting side, i never said it would,it MAY be a POSSIBLE element,not it does DO the following,and therefore it is a ''theory''. not all theories are fact.
they also have seemingly higher pain thresholds in combat,and can sustain injurys that would crumble others in pain with a quicker recovery during a fight.
not to mention the flexability,speed and levels of agility.
if you go to youtube or any martial arts acadamy,they will instruct you on chi.and its effects on the human body.
on the shapeshifting side, i never said it would,it MAY be a POSSIBLE element,not it does DO the following,and therefore it is a ''theory''. not all theories are fact.
Thank you very much! I understand now what you are saying. I can't say I buy into the theory, but it is an entertaining thought!
I think the changes ur talking about would have to take place over a long period of time in an extremely controlled high-tech lab environment,and even then i doubt it's possible.Maybe we should test it on lab rats!!! 
No but srsly it won't work.
No but srsly it won't work.
QUOTE (Yorgmiester @ Apr 9 2008, 03:04 PM)
No but srsly it won't work.
lol
QUOTE (Yorgmiester @ Apr 9 2008, 03:04 AM)
I think the changes ur talking about would have to take place over a long period of time in an extremely controlled high-tech lab environment,and even then i doubt it's possible.Maybe we should test it on lab rats!!!
No but srsly it won't work.
No but srsly it won't work.
Exactly, it is just not a possibility.
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Apr 9 2008, 03:01 AM)
Science doesn't even apply to half the stuff on these forums.
Dude tell me about it people need to realize that there MUST be a sound "scientific" bases for their arguments if they are to be taken seriously
QUOTE (The Maharaja @ Apr 9 2008, 07:32 AM)
Dude tell me about it people need to realize that there MUST be a sound "scientific" bases for their arguments if they are to be taken seriously
Could be worse though, on another forum I am a member of the supernatural part pretty much has a large sign saying "Skeptics not allowed." If you question whatever threads pop up you get hit by the mods pretty fast.
QUOTE (GreatFenris @ Apr 9 2008, 06:52 AM)
Could be worse though, on another forum I am a member of the supernatural part pretty much has a large sign saying "Skeptics not allowed." If you question whatever threads pop up you get hit by the mods pretty fast.
Great to see that the ethos of "free speech" is alive and well on the internet
Stay strong Brudda
QUOTE (GreatFenris @ Apr 9 2008, 12:52 AM)
Could be worse though, on another forum I am a member of the supernatural part pretty much has a large sign saying "Skeptics not allowed." If you question whatever threads pop up you get hit by the mods pretty fast.
I promise healthy skepticism abounds here on U-M. Free speech, sure, but valid, logical opinions especially welcome.
Getting back to topic i just can,t see how a instant transformation could work.
A gradual one i.e catipillars and tadpoles yes but humans no
A gradual one i.e catipillars and tadpoles yes but humans no
QUOTE (Im-postle-able @ Apr 8 2008, 11:57 PM)
LOL.. not with THAT theory.. been reading too many comics?
The type of molecular agitation you are talking about is the buildup of energy in solids which causes their atoms to "vibrate" changing their structures & letting them become flexible & turn into liquid... Basically putting energy into something so it's atoms become excited and their covalent bonds weaken enough to change their solid state.... MELTING in other words
Firstly.. the amount of energy required to change the state of all the matter in our bodies into another "form" would be stupendously large... more than a human body could ever produce in a short period of time.
Secondly.. the type of molecular agitation you are talking about could only happen at high temperatures... temperatures which our cells can't handle without.. well.. being cooked & destroyed.
Thirdly.. your theory involves using hormones to produce more hair very very quickly.. if we ignore the fact that this process can't be sped up to the speed you are suggesting... again the energy & proteins required to make that much hair are not available in such a short amount of time.
Fourthly... the "theory" you suggest only skims the very top of know processes and chemical reactions our bodies are capable of. You're using the very very basic outcome of a reaction as an explanation while ignoring the reactions, energy, time, limitations and any of the relevant details. The steps you've used to get from A to B are what comic books use to make "plausible" explanations for superpowers.
The explanations you're using are more like basic word association...
"Hmm.. i need a solid to change shape... solids change shape by molecular agitation (melting) yeah i'll use THAT"
"Hmmm.. now i need energy... the body produces electricity... yeah.. electricity sounds good"
"Hmmm.. i need something to speed up a process.. adrenaline is associated with speeding up.. yeah i'll use adrenaline as the explanation"
"Oh, now i need something to control it... martial arts is good for mental discipline... yeah that sounds like a good explanation"
It's like the Willy Wonka of theories.. "hmmm i need this candy to have more KICK... BOOTS kick stuff.. YEAH i'll put a BOOT in the recipe!"
The type of molecular agitation you are talking about is the buildup of energy in solids which causes their atoms to "vibrate" changing their structures & letting them become flexible & turn into liquid... Basically putting energy into something so it's atoms become excited and their covalent bonds weaken enough to change their solid state.... MELTING in other words
Firstly.. the amount of energy required to change the state of all the matter in our bodies into another "form" would be stupendously large... more than a human body could ever produce in a short period of time.
Secondly.. the type of molecular agitation you are talking about could only happen at high temperatures... temperatures which our cells can't handle without.. well.. being cooked & destroyed.
Thirdly.. your theory involves using hormones to produce more hair very very quickly.. if we ignore the fact that this process can't be sped up to the speed you are suggesting... again the energy & proteins required to make that much hair are not available in such a short amount of time.
Fourthly... the "theory" you suggest only skims the very top of know processes and chemical reactions our bodies are capable of. You're using the very very basic outcome of a reaction as an explanation while ignoring the reactions, energy, time, limitations and any of the relevant details. The steps you've used to get from A to B are what comic books use to make "plausible" explanations for superpowers.
The explanations you're using are more like basic word association...
"Hmm.. i need a solid to change shape... solids change shape by molecular agitation (melting) yeah i'll use THAT"
"Hmmm.. now i need energy... the body produces electricity... yeah.. electricity sounds good"
"Hmmm.. i need something to speed up a process.. adrenaline is associated with speeding up.. yeah i'll use adrenaline as the explanation"
"Oh, now i need something to control it... martial arts is good for mental discipline... yeah that sounds like a good explanation"
It's like the Willy Wonka of theories.. "hmmm i need this candy to have more KICK... BOOTS kick stuff.. YEAH i'll put a BOOT in the recipe!"
understood. it was only a theory,for discussion. but i liked your explainations. thank you for the usefullness of your post. it was enlightening.
QUOTE (warrington ghost hunter @ Apr 8 2008, 02:59 PM)
a good theory in my opinion but that would have to be one hell of a complicated nervous/hormonal system. plus i would imagine the heat needed may cause someone to spontaneously combust! lol
But what if that's WHY some people spontaneously combust? *dun dun dun. . . .the plot thickens*
QUOTE (dark prophecy @ Apr 8 2008, 05:55 PM)
i have allways been fasinated by shapechangers in lore and culture.i am also quite geeky.i had some college sciences.nothing fancy.I am posting my ''Theory'' on werewolf/ shapechanger abilities.The main one is molding ones shape to another form. ie shapeshifting. along with plausable accounts of how it could be done. Think science meets myth.
does anyone remember in school about molecular agitation theory in solids? in other words electrical current being used to elicit flexability of solids by agitating the protons,neutrons and electrons that surround a nucleus of matter to make them fluid? what if a person, ie is differant enough to electrically induce fluidity in the human body using internal electrical stimulus? the stimulus is derived from there own nerves.because nerves produce electrical discharges when fired. it would be a controlled seizure,of every nerve fiber in the body,type thing.the body is made up of water and isolate minerals,most of wich are conductive.it just might work.but.......... is it possible? lets look at an off subject a minute. martial arts. yes, martial arts. they have great control of all aspects of human body,mind and spirit. they use chi energy to do astounding things. chi is simular to electrical impulse.that can be a factor too. ok,now how would this do anything. lets try a senerio shall we?
lets say,a person is a bit differant in his/her brain and internal wiring,has control of his/her chi energy.and has desire to shapeshift.
lets say the control factor is chi,the active is electrical impulse from the brain,and a body is the conductor/changed object here.
chi can begin to rise and control body.instigating a controlled electrical seizure strong enuff to agitate the bodies molecular structure.agitation causes friction. friction in the cells make heat. and between heat,agitation,and electricity,the body loosens.then hormonal changes like adrenilane and ephinephrane kick,producing an increase in neural activity wich feuls the change in shape.the person then does a series of movements so the fluid body snaps into new location.eliciting a slight change in body,and power.hair can come to fur by high amounts of growth hormones and testosterone.seizure can change sensory inputs,to highten senses.power and speed the residual adrenaline and epi. seizure post ictal is the abnormal thought pattern/and rage of the animal.
now i may be a little off on that. but think of other neural disease in humans. seizures, and neural wireing diseases. also think we have not tapped the brains full potential. what if someone was more 'evolved' and could? or what if a brain anomaly 'rewired' the persons placement of brain wireing,running through a diffeant neural pathway than most humans?
it could happen,in theory.
but if not or so, werewolves will allways be a fantasic natural force. whether in minds of men or in real nature.
does anyone remember in school about molecular agitation theory in solids? in other words electrical current being used to elicit flexability of solids by agitating the protons,neutrons and electrons that surround a nucleus of matter to make them fluid? what if a person, ie is differant enough to electrically induce fluidity in the human body using internal electrical stimulus? the stimulus is derived from there own nerves.because nerves produce electrical discharges when fired. it would be a controlled seizure,of every nerve fiber in the body,type thing.the body is made up of water and isolate minerals,most of wich are conductive.it just might work.but.......... is it possible? lets look at an off subject a minute. martial arts. yes, martial arts. they have great control of all aspects of human body,mind and spirit. they use chi energy to do astounding things. chi is simular to electrical impulse.that can be a factor too. ok,now how would this do anything. lets try a senerio shall we?
lets say,a person is a bit differant in his/her brain and internal wiring,has control of his/her chi energy.and has desire to shapeshift.
lets say the control factor is chi,the active is electrical impulse from the brain,and a body is the conductor/changed object here.
chi can begin to rise and control body.instigating a controlled electrical seizure strong enuff to agitate the bodies molecular structure.agitation causes friction. friction in the cells make heat. and between heat,agitation,and electricity,the body loosens.then hormonal changes like adrenilane and ephinephrane kick,producing an increase in neural activity wich feuls the change in shape.the person then does a series of movements so the fluid body snaps into new location.eliciting a slight change in body,and power.hair can come to fur by high amounts of growth hormones and testosterone.seizure can change sensory inputs,to highten senses.power and speed the residual adrenaline and epi. seizure post ictal is the abnormal thought pattern/and rage of the animal.
now i may be a little off on that. but think of other neural disease in humans. seizures, and neural wireing diseases. also think we have not tapped the brains full potential. what if someone was more 'evolved' and could? or what if a brain anomaly 'rewired' the persons placement of brain wireing,running through a diffeant neural pathway than most humans?
it could happen,in theory.
but if not or so, werewolves will allways be a fantasic natural force. whether in minds of men or in real nature.
Okay this would be a very very painful, most likely fatal occurance, were it in fact not a complete load of tripe.
Where the hell did you learn that Chi is and electrical force? It took me two minutes of research to discover the origins of chi, which was the name given to gasses escaping from a corpse that was not sufficiently buried.
My theory, go to a cosmetic surgeon, a lot easier.
QUOTE (Grey Area @ Apr 10 2008, 12:13 PM)
My theory, go to a cosmetic surgeon, a lot easier.
I bet someone has tried that.Infact there was this one guy that went through surgery and tattoos and the whole shebang to look like a lizard
Google Erik Sprague and you'll find some interesting stuff on him.If you don't already know about him.
possible, but very unlikely
if that were to even work, It sounds like it would kill the person
Unfortunately, I think that others here are right about your theory. If the human body could generate that much energy, in the form of heat, or otherwise, it would probably just cook the shifter alive. Excessive heat will damage living cells. However, the basic components to a physical shift are not that complex. Very unlikely, but in theory possible. First, such an individual would have to possess a great deal of mental control, and (like martial artists) be able to focus that control very precisely for long periods of time. Next, you would need energy to fuel the process. Nutrition would be very important, this person would also have to have a way to boost the natural energy field the body can generate (aura). This, might be possible with an outside source, perhaps natural, or maybe man-made. Now, the really hard part. This is where the mental control I spoke of would come into play. The individual would focus on what they wished to change, and using the heightened aural field as a means to make those changes one at a time, over a long period. No fast changes here. Food and water would be very important, because, while the aura is being used as a trigger and control medium, the bodies cells still need their own fuel. I would imagine that such a change would require a long period of time to complete. Perhaps up to a week of intensive on and off activity. I would also be willing to bet that it would be rather uncomfortable as well, and this is an area were there is a big problem. This person would have to be able to turn off their pain receptors or concentration would be nearly impossible to maintian for the needed amount of time. Now, there are other problems to consider as well, such as, being able to boost the aural field (or Chi if you will). The mind has to have something to use as a tool to re-shape the body, and that is a good a source as any. What certain people can do with this energy is well documented, but so far, I haven't seen any Buddist monks shape-shifting. They seem to be able to do just about anything else with it though. Martial arts is also a very good example of how this energy is focused and used. Some of the things these masters can do is nothing short of amazing. There are other examples, but the point is, that even with great skill, and control, the amount of that energy is finite, it has it's limits. More would be needed. There is also the problem of making mistakes. If you could shape-shift, what would happen if you were to screw up? Knowledge of the body and all it's functions would be helpful, but mistakes can and do happen, even to experts. Don't know if I would want to be in that position myself. Granted, if it wasn't fatal, you could probably fix it, but it would require more time. Time you might not have. This is just a thought, that I put together spur of the moment, so feel free to fire away. It's all just for fun anyway. Right?
Good Journey.
Kyle Rajasthan.
Good Journey.
Kyle Rajasthan.
QUOTE (dark prophecy @ Apr 8 2008, 11:55 AM)
i have allways been fasinated by shapechangers in lore and culture.i am also quite geeky.i had some college sciences.nothing fancy.I am posting my ''Theory'' on werewolf/ shapechanger abilities.The main one is molding ones shape to another form. ie shapeshifting. along with plausable accounts of how it could be done. Think science meets myth.
does anyone remember in school about molecular agitation theory in solids? in other words electrical current being used to elicit flexability of solids by agitating the protons,neutrons and electrons that surround a nucleus of matter to make them fluid? what if a person, ie is differant enough to electrically induce fluidity in the human body using internal electrical stimulus? the stimulus is derived from there own nerves.because nerves produce electrical discharges when fired. it would be a controlled seizure,of every nerve fiber in the body,type thing.the body is made up of water and isolate minerals,most of wich are conductive.it just might work.but.......... is it possible? lets look at an off subject a minute. martial arts. yes, martial arts. they have great control of all aspects of human body,mind and spirit. they use chi energy to do astounding things. chi is simular to electrical impulse.that can be a factor too. ok,now how would this do anything. lets try a senerio shall we?
lets say,a person is a bit differant in his/her brain and internal wiring,has control of his/her chi energy.and has desire to shapeshift.
lets say the control factor is chi,the active is electrical impulse from the brain,and a body is the conductor/changed object here.
chi can begin to rise and control body.instigating a controlled electrical seizure strong enuff to agitate the bodies molecular structure.agitation causes friction. friction in the cells make heat. and between heat,agitation,and electricity,the body loosens.then hormonal changes like adrenilane and ephinephrane kick,producing an increase in neural activity wich feuls the change in shape.the person then does a series of movements so the fluid body snaps into new location.eliciting a slight change in body,and power.hair can come to fur by high amounts of growth hormones and testosterone.seizure can change sensory inputs,to highten senses.power and speed the residual adrenaline and epi. seizure post ictal is the abnormal thought pattern/and rage of the animal.
now i may be a little off on that. but think of other neural disease in humans. seizures, and neural wireing diseases. also think we have not tapped the brains full potential. what if someone was more 'evolved' and could? or what if a brain anomaly 'rewired' the persons placement of brain wireing,running through a diffeant neural pathway than most humans?
it could happen,in theory.
but if not or so, werewolves will allways be a fantasic natural force. whether in minds of men or in real nature.
i do not doubt the existence of werewolves, vamps, aliens. its a big world. I beleive that there is fact behind every legend. :devil:
does anyone remember in school about molecular agitation theory in solids? in other words electrical current being used to elicit flexability of solids by agitating the protons,neutrons and electrons that surround a nucleus of matter to make them fluid? what if a person, ie is differant enough to electrically induce fluidity in the human body using internal electrical stimulus? the stimulus is derived from there own nerves.because nerves produce electrical discharges when fired. it would be a controlled seizure,of every nerve fiber in the body,type thing.the body is made up of water and isolate minerals,most of wich are conductive.it just might work.but.......... is it possible? lets look at an off subject a minute. martial arts. yes, martial arts. they have great control of all aspects of human body,mind and spirit. they use chi energy to do astounding things. chi is simular to electrical impulse.that can be a factor too. ok,now how would this do anything. lets try a senerio shall we?
lets say,a person is a bit differant in his/her brain and internal wiring,has control of his/her chi energy.and has desire to shapeshift.
lets say the control factor is chi,the active is electrical impulse from the brain,and a body is the conductor/changed object here.
chi can begin to rise and control body.instigating a controlled electrical seizure strong enuff to agitate the bodies molecular structure.agitation causes friction. friction in the cells make heat. and between heat,agitation,and electricity,the body loosens.then hormonal changes like adrenilane and ephinephrane kick,producing an increase in neural activity wich feuls the change in shape.the person then does a series of movements so the fluid body snaps into new location.eliciting a slight change in body,and power.hair can come to fur by high amounts of growth hormones and testosterone.seizure can change sensory inputs,to highten senses.power and speed the residual adrenaline and epi. seizure post ictal is the abnormal thought pattern/and rage of the animal.
now i may be a little off on that. but think of other neural disease in humans. seizures, and neural wireing diseases. also think we have not tapped the brains full potential. what if someone was more 'evolved' and could? or what if a brain anomaly 'rewired' the persons placement of brain wireing,running through a diffeant neural pathway than most humans?
it could happen,in theory.
but if not or so, werewolves will allways be a fantasic natural force. whether in minds of men or in real nature.
i do not doubt the existence of werewolves, vamps, aliens. its a big world. I beleive that there is fact behind every legend. :devil:
QUOTE (Xeaphon @ Apr 11 2008, 05:38 PM)
possible, but very unlikely
No, believe me, it really isn't possible.
with regards as to the power of martial arts. check this video it had me in stitches. there is nothing mystical about martial arts, no such thing as chi, its all in the mind. look at how the kiai master swots his students aside with no contact just the power of chi. Then watch how this amazing chi fails to take effect on his non brainwashed opponent. i love this video its a classic.
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/11801961...er_Can_Beat_Him
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/11801961...er_Can_Beat_Him
Well, the only forms pf "shapeshifting" that make sense to me:
*Psychological: person convinces himself that they have changed shape (many spirit shamans, or "spiritual therens", etc).
*Hypnotic/Suggestion: like psychological, but convincing others that a shift has occurred, possible with theatrics, smoke or hallucinogens (see shaman rituals, above).
*Psychic: if (and it is an if) there are psychic gifts, influencing other's minds that the person has changed shape.
*Hologram: warping light to create an illusion.
*Genetics: change the genetic code, and the cells will follow, albeit slowly. We all shape shift as we grow into adulthood. This would take month or years, though.
*Beam me up, Scotty: actually taking someone apart, and re-arranging them into another reform. Technically, this is killing someone, though.
PS: I'm not trying to mock anyone's belif system, here. But the discussion was, specifically, what could happen within science. And, yes, the whole psi thing is not accepted science...
*Psychological: person convinces himself that they have changed shape (many spirit shamans, or "spiritual therens", etc).
*Hypnotic/Suggestion: like psychological, but convincing others that a shift has occurred, possible with theatrics, smoke or hallucinogens (see shaman rituals, above).
*Psychic: if (and it is an if) there are psychic gifts, influencing other's minds that the person has changed shape.
*Hologram: warping light to create an illusion.
*Genetics: change the genetic code, and the cells will follow, albeit slowly. We all shape shift as we grow into adulthood. This would take month or years, though.
*Beam me up, Scotty: actually taking someone apart, and re-arranging them into another reform. Technically, this is killing someone, though.
PS: I'm not trying to mock anyone's belif system, here. But the discussion was, specifically, what could happen within science. And, yes, the whole psi thing is not accepted science...
You have one MAJOR problem with that theory.
Friction of that magnitude would cause you to spontaneously combust.
Either that, or the nerves in your heart would send and recieve so many electrical pulses at once your heart would stop. Hince death by electricution.
Friction of that magnitude would cause you to spontaneously combust.
Either that, or the nerves in your heart would send and recieve so many electrical pulses at once your heart would stop. Hince death by electricution.
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