Okay I am also looking to reread the bible and am looking for one that is the most accurate(as in translation and is mostly unaltered) and another that is more easier to read(as in more modern english language).
Suggestion? Thanks!
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cadetak- see the link in my post above. it has alot of versions, so you can look at them and decide which one you want to read as well as compare them to each other. it is a nifty piece of software. and the best part is, it is free.
QUOTE (Cadetak @ May 12 2008, 05:25 PM) 
Okay I am also looking to reread the bible and am looking for one that is the most accurate(as in translation and is mostly unaltered) and another that is more easier to read(as in more modern english language).
Suggestion? Thanks!
For literal word-for-word, as I mentioned in my earlier post in this thread, I'd suggest either the ESV or NASB. For easier-to-read, but much less accurate - the Good News Bible is not too bad. I think there are other Bible's that translate into easy-to-read meanings, but I couldn't tell you what they are. Personally, I wouldn't recommend the Good News Bible though. It is easier to read, but it does make it a lot less accurate. But if you're reading it with the ESV or NASB, then I say go for it Suggestion? Thanks!
ESV. I cannot recommend it more not just because it is one of the newest versions but also quite balanced.
Ho ho my old thread has popped up! Well I am enjoying reading the Bible, but I didn't expect God to be so angry....all the time. And seemingly surprised at what people do, he seems quite stressed.
Like he didn't know what was gonna happen
Like he didn't know what was gonna happen
QUOTE (Belle. @ May 12 2008, 03:52 AM)
Ho ho my old thread has popped up! Well I am enjoying reading the Bible, but I didn't expect God to be so angry....all the time. And seemingly surprised at what people do, he seems quite stressed.
Like he didn't know what was gonna happen
Like he didn't know what was gonna happen
If you know you are about to be shot in the chest will it not hurt? If you find out your wife is cheating on you will you not be angry/upset/a little surprised when she tells you herself? I am glad you are enjoying it but why the attitude.
QUOTE (bleach @ May 12 2008, 10:27 AM)
If you know you are about to be shot in the chest will it not hurt? If you find out your wife is cheating on you will you not be angry/upset/a little surprised when she tells you herself?
Well no, not if I was omniscient and omnipotent - it just doesn't seem to make sense that you would have emotions at all in that state. Emotions arise from new knowledge/instinctive situational reactions/desires. He shouldn't have that problem. In fact he shouldn't have problems at all.
QUOTE (bleach @ May 12 2008, 10:27 AM)
I am glad you are enjoying it but why the attitude.
You're right, this thread was not supposed to be a Bible discussion - will keep snippy comments to self.
If one approaches something to only see the faults they will find them even if they exists or not. The reverse is also true.
QUOTE (Belle. @ May 12 2008, 04:39 AM)
Well no, not if I was omniscient and omnipotent - it just doesn't seem to make sense that you would have emotions at all in that state. Emotions arise from new knowledge/instinctive situational reactions/desires. He shouldn't have that problem. In fact he shouldn't have problems at all.
And this comes from first hand experience, right?
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 12 2008, 09:41 AM)
If one approaches something to only see the faults they will find them even if they exists or not. The reverse is also true.
I am not!
God does seem angry - that is what struck me straight away.
I wrote a little critical appraisal - even though I am not up to Jesus, from what I know of him he seems quite a good fellow. I am sure I shall have plenty nice things to say
Oh well God of the Old Testament does many good things too. I also think some of the way we see He has emotions is not the same perhaps as we experience them. We are temperamental. People think He destroyed Sodom and other nearby cities just because He was mad. If we read it all properly we can see that there was an outcry from humanity itself that He responded too. There were also not ten righteous men found there in the whole of the city.
Some also consider God destroyed the world through a flood because He was mad. Again He did not do so. The world was hellbent on destroying themselves. They would have. God saved the world by the flood. It was like separating the wheat from the chaff.
Consider the world today we are going to destroy it the way we are headed. Millions will die. Crop failure is a strong possibility. The environment itself is ill because of our doings. Many Christians see Jesus and God as the same. It is no coincidence that if the beast does come and sets up his world government that as in Revelation that Jesus coming to destroy the beast and the part of mankind that follows the beast as not as being cruel but once again only as God saving the world once again so it continues.
Some also consider God destroyed the world through a flood because He was mad. Again He did not do so. The world was hellbent on destroying themselves. They would have. God saved the world by the flood. It was like separating the wheat from the chaff.
Consider the world today we are going to destroy it the way we are headed. Millions will die. Crop failure is a strong possibility. The environment itself is ill because of our doings. Many Christians see Jesus and God as the same. It is no coincidence that if the beast does come and sets up his world government that as in Revelation that Jesus coming to destroy the beast and the part of mankind that follows the beast as not as being cruel but once again only as God saving the world once again so it continues.
QUOTE (Karlis @ May 11 2008, 11:25 PM)
As a "lay person", I tend to refer to the MKJV, ESV, ASV and to the NIV translations -- to try to gain clarity.
When I want to see different ways of translating any verse,
I click on E-sword's [free to download] *Compare* option; for example:
Joh 1:1
(ASV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(BBE) From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God and was God.
(Bishops) In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God.
(CEV) In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.
(EMTV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(ESV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(GNB) In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(GNT) ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
(GW) In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(ISV) In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(JPS)
(KJV+) InG1722 the beginningG746 wasG2258 theG3588 Word,G3056 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 withG4314 God,G2316 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 God.G2316
(KJV-1611) In the beginning was the Word, & the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(KJVA) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(LITV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(MKJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Murdock) In the beginning, was the Word; and the Word was with God; and the Word was God.
(RV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Webster) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(WNT) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(YLT) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
When I post to UM, I usually copy-paste from the "Modern King James Version" (MKJV), because
* it is clearer in meaning than the KJV
* and I can source-reference Bible word translations from Strong's, using MKJV.
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Regarding the "New Living Translation" (NLT), B'Elanna -- if you have downoaded the free modules from E-sword, you can download the NLT also, but they charge money for it. The following is on the e-sword website:
"This resource is locked and will require you to purchase the security key for $14.99"
Seeing that Will recommends the NLT translation, I will seriously consider getting it.
Hope this was of some use,
Karlis
When I want to see different ways of translating any verse,
I click on E-sword's [free to download] *Compare* option; for example:
Joh 1:1
(ASV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(BBE) From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God and was God.
(Bishops) In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God.
(CEV) In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.
(EMTV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(ESV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(GNB) In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(GNT) ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
(GW) In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(ISV) In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(JPS)
(KJV+) InG1722 the beginningG746 wasG2258 theG3588 Word,G3056 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 withG4314 God,G2316 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 God.G2316
(KJV-1611) In the beginning was the Word, & the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(KJVA) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(LITV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(MKJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Murdock) In the beginning, was the Word; and the Word was with God; and the Word was God.
(RV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Webster) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(WNT) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(YLT) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
When I post to UM, I usually copy-paste from the "Modern King James Version" (MKJV), because
* it is clearer in meaning than the KJV
* and I can source-reference Bible word translations from Strong's, using MKJV.
-=-=-
Regarding the "New Living Translation" (NLT), B'Elanna -- if you have downoaded the free modules from E-sword, you can download the NLT also, but they charge money for it. The following is on the e-sword website:
"This resource is locked and will require you to purchase the security key for $14.99"
Seeing that Will recommends the NLT translation, I will seriously consider getting it.
Hope this was of some use,
Karlis
Thanks for posting that Karlis that's really useful, . I've heard of E-sword, might get it, might get it. Cheers!
The Old testament is the best
Ive never really took time to read either of them so I don't know
really which one is better. I assume they both have the same stories
and happenings. So I'd say they are equal.
really which one is better. I assume they both have the same stories
and happenings. So I'd say they are equal.
QUOTE (SpOoKn @ May 13 2008, 04:45 AM)
Ive never really took time to read either of them so I don't know
really which one is better. I assume they both have the same stories
and happenings. So I'd say they are equal.
They are all translated from the same ancient text, so most of them are generally similar. People who claim "there are over 100 versions of the Bible" and therefore all different, and presumably by relation unreliable seem to ignore this point (as someone did recently on this thread). When it comes down to it, all versions of the Bible are translated from the original, so they largely have the same concepts, same themes, and in many many places, the same words. As I mentioned earlier, some are translated more literally (though in English a little harder to read grammatically), while others are much easier to read but a little less accurate. really which one is better. I assume they both have the same stories
and happenings. So I'd say they are equal.
QUOTE (zandore @ Apr 9 2008, 01:47 PM)
IF there is but one God......why then are there over 100 versions (and counting) of the Bible in the English language alone?
Christianity is the most fractured religion there has ever been.
Christianity is the most fractured religion there has ever been.
I agree I've seen Christians fight over which version is right if they are trying to convert others you would at least think they would agree on something.
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I agree I've seen Christians fight over which version is right if they are trying to convert others you would at least think they would agree on something.
Christians are people and sinners too. We all are. Just because some want to debate which is a better version does not take away the message of Christ in the least. Maybe those Christians should read Titus 3:9 and simply understand what PA said in his post above yours. I also think we should not be trying to 'convert others' in all the ways some might consider the meaning of that.
If someone comes to us after seeing the Light that shineth within then it is a time for words. If someone though does not want to hear we should not keep trying and leave them to their devices. No one in the world besides me and my family are my responsibility.
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Matthew 10:14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town.
Among believers though debating which version is better and if they make it a point of contention it is best to also leave them to their own devices for their debates cause division and we are all one body of Christ.
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Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. 10 As for a person who stirs up division,(V) after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, 11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
I'm reading the King James version, which was recommended by my uncle who has read it seven times. So far I have gotten as far as Deuteronomy and, if you are interested the two of us should race to see who finishes first. I am willing to break for you to catch up.
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 13 2008, 04:32 PM)
I agree I've seen Christians fight over which version is right if they are trying to convert others you would at least think they would agree on something.
You've "seen" Christians fight over the right version..... or have you just heard about them? I've never seen (by "seen", I mean personally met) a Christian fight over which version is right. I've met a small handful of people on this forum and one other that I visit who are convinced that the King James Version is the only proper Bible, but the vast majority of Christians just don't give a crap, truth be told - a Bible is a Bible is a Bible, and regardless of what translation it is, it's still the word of God to them. When I read the Bible, I use multiple translations (usually the NIV and ESV, though sometimes RSV, and one or two others that I rarely use), plus a Greek/Hebrew dictionary, and all these so I can more easily understand what the original language was trying to convey. Apart from said (very small) minority of KJV-only'ists, I've never seen Christians fight over which translation is the only right one. Could you perhaps elaborate on what you mean by your comment here, thanks
The best "bible" is one left unread. If you are looking to understand your spiritual nature, the best reference is your own spiritual introspection. To steal one line from Jesus as quoted in one version of the bible: "The kingdom of God is within men".
QUOTE (Paranoid Android @ May 13 2008, 05:40 AM)
You've "seen" Christians fight over the right version..... or have you just heard about them? I've never seen (by "seen", I mean personally met) a Christian fight over which version is right. I've met a small handful of people on this forum and one other that I visit who are convinced that the King James Version is the only proper Bible, but the vast majority of Christians just don't give a crap, truth be told - a Bible is a Bible is a Bible, and regardless of what translation it is, it's still the word of God to them. When I read the Bible, I use multiple translations (usually the NIV and ESV, though sometimes RSV, and one or two others that I rarely use), plus a Greek/Hebrew dictionary, and all these so I can more easily understand what the original language was trying to convey. Apart from said (very small) minority of KJV-only'ists, I've never seen Christians fight over which translation is the only right one. Could you perhaps elaborate on what you mean by your comment here, thanks
Thank you PA for offering this insight. I grew up King James Only so my perspective did not know we are such a minority lol Either way I dropped that belief a good few years back since the Bible does not state anything about it and it is all legalistic. Quite a few other legalistic non-biblical beliefs I dropped as well in this time. Since coming to this forum I also dropped the belief that Catholics are not Christians even if the Vatican system is Pagan based and corrupt. Thanks to a few posters for setting me straight. You are quite right though the KJV debate and such is not a big issue and it makes great sense that whatever language, whatever version, even if a language cannot be fully translated accurately into another, that in the end God knew what He was doing at Babel and knew that there would be many languages, and through each translation and version that His message, the most important one, would be clear as day.
QUOTE (Paranoid Android @ May 13 2008, 11:40 AM)
You've "seen" Christians fight over the right version..... or have you just heard about them? I've never seen (by "seen", I mean personally met) a Christian fight over which version is right. I've met a small handful of people on this forum and one other that I visit who are convinced that the King James Version is the only proper Bible, but the vast majority of Christians just don't give a crap, truth be told - a Bible is a Bible is a Bible, and regardless of what translation it is, it's still the word of God to them. When I read the Bible, I use multiple translations (usually the NIV and ESV, though sometimes RSV, and one or two others that I rarely use), plus a Greek/Hebrew dictionary, and all these so I can more easily understand what the original language was trying to convey. Apart from said (very small) minority of KJV-only'ists, I've never seen Christians fight over which translation is the only right one. Could you perhaps elaborate on what you mean by your comment here, thanks
OK it's been my experence that I have seen some people aruge over which version is right, perhaps you haven't the same could be said with Christians having different denomations. LIke other faiths not all Christians agreee with each other.
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 13 2008, 04:32 PM)
I agree I've seen Christians fight over which version is right if they are trying to convert others you would at least think they would agree on something.
You must keep in mind that there are hundreds of "Christian denominations-churches", norwood. The trouble is that many of them have their own unique doctrines, and to support their unique doctrines they need specific (and sometimes unique) English translations. I'll give one example: John 1:1.Nearly every English Bible translates John 1:1 as follows:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
On the other hand, a few denominations insist that the correct translation shoul read as follows:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
Can you see how this seemingly "very slight" alteration, of God to a god changes the whole meaning of the Scripture?
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Another example:
Most churches teach that God is a trinity; some other Churches teach that the Trinity teaching is false. Who is correct?
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Another example:
Some time ago you posted as to how the Catholic Church teaches that Jesus built the RC upon Peter. I showed you that this is un_Scriptural. You did not reply, so I don't know if my explanation satisfied you, or not.
So ... the problem is not Scriptures, norwood; the problem is people.
Hope this aspect of human nature is worth considering,
Karlis
QUOTE (Razer @ May 13 2008, 11:46 AM)
The best "bible" is one left unread. If you are looking to understand your spiritual nature, the best reference is your own spiritual introspection. To steal one line from Jesus as quoted in one version of the bible: "The kingdom of God is within men".
See that makes sence to me Why let man tell you how you should worship? I would think that prayer & talking to your God/s would be the thing to do.
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 13 2008, 03:22 AM)
QUOTE
Matthew 10:14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town.
If someone comes to us after seeing the Light that shineth within then it is a time for words. If someone though does not want to hear we should not keep trying and leave them to their devices. No one in the world besides me and my family are my responsibility.
Luke 19:27
"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
QUOTE (zandore @ May 13 2008, 11:24 PM)
If someone comes to us after seeing the Light that shineth within then it is a time for words. If someone though does not want to hear we should not keep trying and leave them to their devices. No one in the world besides me and my family are my responsibility.
Luke 19:27
"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
I'm sure you are aware of the definition of a parable, Z. Luke 19:27
"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
P.S - when did this become a Bible contradictions thread????
Just more hit and run posts as if posting one scripture out of context somehow disproves several millennia of faith.
QUOTE (Paranoid Android @ May 13 2008, 09:28 AM)
I'm sure you are aware of the definition of a parable, Z.
Ah.....a parable....a moral lesson about violence?
QUOTE (Paranoid Android @ May 13 2008, 09:28 AM)
P.S - when did this become a Bible contradictions thread????
To my knowledge it's not.
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 13 2008, 09:34 AM)
Just more hit and run posts as if posting one scripture out of context somehow disproves several millennia of faith.
As I just pointed out to PA again.....a moral lesson about violence.....kill those that do not believe in me.
QUOTE (zandore @ May 13 2008, 11:36 PM)
Ah.....a parable....a moral lesson about violence?
Parables are not just "moral lessons". You should take the time to fully explore what they are if this is your definition. Parables are stories that attempt to convey some spiritual meaning - ie, non-physical reality. The parable of the sower, for example, shows different types of responses to the message of the gospel, the parable of the Lost sheep refer to Jesus seeking out the Lost. In this, I guess it depends on who you see as being represented by the rich nobleman in this parable, but since I think it is very clear that it is Jesus, the parable was speaking of spiritual worship of God, and those who did not use what the nobleman gave them (the gifts God gave them), they are to be cast aside and destroyed. Parables refer to spiritual meanings, not phyiscal ones. This one has nothing to do with violence, though maybe perhaps could be used to refer to the Day of Judgement when the Nobleman returns to see what the people had done with the minas.
QUOTE (zandore @ May 13 2008, 11:36 PM)
To my knowledge it's not.
I see.
QUOTE (Paranoid Android @ May 13 2008, 09:42 AM)
.....but since I think it is very clear that it is Jesus, the parable was speaking of spiritual worship of God, and those who did not use what the nobleman gave them (the gifts God gave them), they are to be cast aside and destroyed.
Ah...OK then...perhaps you do understand.
QUOTE (Paranoid Android @ May 13 2008, 09:42 AM)
Parables refer to spiritual meanings, not phyiscal ones. This one has nothing to do with violence, though maybe perhaps could be used to refer to the Day of Judgement when the Nobleman returns to see what the people had done with the minas.
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QUOTE (zandore @ May 13 2008, 11:55 PM)
Ah...OK then...perhaps you do understand.
I do, but judging by the boldened section you used, probably not in the way you mean. I would also point out here that it si the nobleman (Jesus) who commands this to happen. As a parable, it is not therefore right that anyone else could just go and kill other people for not using their minas (gifts for God) properly. As I said, you could perhaps use this to relate to the coming Day of Judgement, but that has not and will not happen for some time, likely (though since no one knows the Day or the Hour, it could be tomorrow for all we know, lol)QUOTE (zandore @ May 13 2008, 11:55 PM)
Interesting. In the biblical sense, when we speak of parables it is in the context of spiritual meanings. I don't normally go in for Sunday School answers on these boards, but this one seems to ring out to me - the Sunday School answer to a parable is, is - an Earthly story with a Heavenly meaning. The parables that Jesus spoke were of this nature - the earlier mentioned parable of teh sower, for example. Just a few thoughts..........
Since we were introduced to a verse here I think it is only right to add the whole passage. I'm sure zandore is eager to see it.
The Parable of the Ten Minas
11While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12He said: "A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[a]'Put this money to work,' he said, 'until I come back.'
14"But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.'
15"He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.
16"The first one came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more.'
17" 'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'
18"The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more.'
19"His master answered, 'You take charge of five cities.'
20"Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.'
22"His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?'
24"Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.'
25" 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!'
26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
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The Parable of the Ten Minas
11While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12He said: "A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[a]'Put this money to work,' he said, 'until I come back.'
14"But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.'
15"He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.
16"The first one came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more.'
17" 'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'
18"The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more.'
19"His master answered, 'You take charge of five cities.'
20"Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.'
22"His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?'
24"Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.'
25" 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!'
26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
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QUOTE (bleach @ May 13 2008, 10:35 AM)
Since we were introduced to a verse here I think it is only right to add the whole passage. I'm sure zandore is eager to see it.
That was just one of many verses about violence from the Bible....but still it was from a lesson
This is as bad as Christians believing pagans are sacrificing babies...imagine how offended they would be if one of us thought that. Ahh well it is always best to know all sides as best as you can to not misjudge anyone especially because of ignorance. Sadly if one wants to see us as violent then they shall. It is not about learning better and knowing better for some since for some views only use scriptures as fodder and weapons to strike at our beliefs, violence in itself if you ask me, but luckily those who strike at our beliefs do not strike at us. It would hurt in that case lol
QUOTE (zandore @ May 13 2008, 01:10 PM)
That was just one of many verses about violence from the Bible....but still it was from a lesson
Look at the times that this was written. Kings were brutal to their enemies. King Herod ordered the murder of children under two years old but are you speaking against the violence he performed or just against words? People hearing the parable need to relate to it. This is not to be taken literal either as is the nature of a parable. He is referring to when God judges us on what we have done in our lives.
QUOTE (Belle. @ May 12 2008, 03:52 AM)
Ho ho my old thread has popped up! Well I am enjoying reading the Bible, but I didn't expect God to be so angry....all the time. And seemingly surprised at what people do, he seems quite stressed.
Like he didn't know what was gonna happen
Like he didn't know what was gonna happen
I'm glad you are enjoying it!!! Personally, I think everyone should read it, whichever version, at least once.
I too, was surprised the first time I read it (the King James version, 30 years ago) at how angry and vengeful the Bible portrayed God, especially in the old testament.
I do recommend that you go to http://www.biblegateway.com/ to look up other translations of any chapter or verse, that seem especially confusing.
I'd love to hear what you think as you go along.
QUOTE (bleach @ May 13 2008, 03:17 PM)
Look at the times that this was written.
I have stated this before.....yes it was violent times and violent people will create a violent religion.
QUOTE (bleach @ May 13 2008, 03:17 PM)
Kings were brutal to their enemies.
Correct!
Is not Jesus referred to as "The King of kings"
QUOTE (bleach @ May 13 2008, 03:17 PM)
King Herod ordered the murder of children under two years old but are you speaking against the violence he performed or just against words?
And if you can believe the Bible....what of Noah's Ark (just one example) and all of the unborn babies....that is not violent?
What of all the violence that has been done in his name
QUOTE (zandore @ May 14 2008, 10:21 AM)
I have stated this before.....yes it was violent times and violent people will create a violent religion.
You are just pushing this agenda by taking things out of context, etc. No offense but these are common tactics of weak minded people.
QUOTE (zandore @ May 14 2008, 10:21 AM)
Correct!
Is not Jesus referred to as "The King of kings"
Is not Jesus referred to as "The King of kings"
This is referring to God's judgement of us and no it will certainly not be pretty. Remember that everyone is a sinner.
QUOTE (zandore @ May 14 2008, 10:21 AM)
And if you can believe the Bible....what of Noah's Ark (just one example) and all of the unborn babies....that is not violent?
What of all the violence that has been done in his name
What of all the violence that has been done in his name
Well if you have been following the posts in this thread you would know why that happened. Go back and read the post from Clovis.
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