Has anyone have valid accounts that they have astral projected here? Not lucid dreaming though, real astral projection.

Ive been trying to astral project and I rememberedi tried to remain "consious" while relaxing my body and focusing on projecting. However, I was unable to reach a deep state of meditation if i have thoughts of "trying to project". As i used my brainpower to think of something, my body cant totally relax. After awhile, i just dozed off without knowing it. Anyone has tips?

Also, is it true that you can travel anywhere? Like if i think of my girlfriend, i can pop beside her? Also, is it able to see past events that happened( like for example i want to see how my parents met, can i do that)? Has anyone successfully tried that?

Please help me, i appreciate it.

I wish it was but I don't know. Never tried it. There are tests that people have done, where someone astral projected from a room to another and told them what was in the room, when they had no possible way of knowing. I think I heard this on the radio.

Yes Astral projection is real and you do it every night when you sleep. It happens right before the 1st stage of sleep and before REM. Your body jumps and when it jumps your astral body comes out. You have several planes and several bodies in our reality. And with in but not in this dimension. We live in a Multidimensional world. How to do astral projection is when you mediate its not that you think of nothing because the 1st reaction when you think of nothing will be something that is the exact opposite of what you want to focus on usually something that will break your distraction. What you do is think of something relaxing like the beach picture it see the water and feel the air as it blows on you once you can actually feel the air and wind then allow yourself to focus on the sun feel the heat off the sun play with the dream like state you in and imagine maybe some kinda animal on the beach watch it for a min then if you imagine something and feel it and see it your now in that state that allows astral projection. The next thing you do is imagine a ball of pure electricity and see it and allow it to travel from the tip of your toes up to the crown of your head. Then allow it to pop out when it pops out you will be astral projection and can travel/fly around. Remember start out light and don't go far come back to you body after a few mins and keep practicing slowly going farther and farther next thing you know you can travel through space. That is how you see into the future and the past as well. Good luck and anything else I can be assitance with please don't hesitate to ask. Becareful though because your connecting to the Spiritual world at that point and many negative entities will try and get to you because they will no your unarmed and unaware of what your actually doing. Read how to protect your body and spirit and charge your Chakra's

i would have to agree with what spiritualacender said because i myself have experienced astral projection, before i tried it i was a little skeptical about it but after a few weeks 0f practicing i managed to do it and let me tell you, it is real, but my experiences have been very short so nothing special happened.... if you want to get more into i may i suggest a book called "Mastering Astral Projection: 90-Day Guide to Out-of-Body Experience" its a great book......

I think it is..I have never projected, and been completely lucid...but, I have gotten out, and jus sat outside my body, not even realizin I was out...I also visited somewhere(It seemed like Heavan) Durin a dream, though, I had tried to AP that night, so when I had the dream, I was actually aware like in an AP...Just didnt have control...But, I've been completely conscious, durin the sensations of tyrin to project...Those in themselves are pretty cool...The popping sounds, and vibrations are a really neat experience..And, try the 4:00 method if you cnat relax....Set you're alarm to 4 in the morn, or some other time..Then, when you wka eup, jus get up, become aware, thne try to AP...Since you jus woke up, you should already be relxed..Makin it that much easier to project...The dream thing happened in this method...

Yep it's real alright, don't know much about it cept I have had at least 2 differant experiences where I went from being asleep to wide awake and out of my body.No groggyness,being as fully aware and concious as I am right now while Im typeing this.Thing is With my experiences, is I had no controll over them till right at the last moment of the last one I saw my body as it had fallen asleep, and was tring not to float away,so I tried to grab the side of the bed but my arms went right through the floor.I thought to my self I want to be back in my body and there I went right back into my body.Then I sat up.The one thing I was doing when I went to sleep was thinking about motion.Traveling along side a never ending building, just going up and up, and imagining all the windows I was passing.Even imagining being on a ferris wheel and going round and round, then right between being unconcious and concious there is that fine line, and then there I was out of my body.First time it happened I didn't know what to think, second time it happened I was a bit afraid.

Yeah, I've read about this in a few science journals and website. Interesting stuff.

I personally think it is the subconscious being highly sensitive to other people wavelength (Yes people have wavelengths, every moving mass has a wavelength) and being able to recognize certain wavelengths.

My theory goes along with all of the people who can detect objects without using any of their 5 senses to detect them. But thats just me.

Go research lucid dreaming. Then go research astral projection.

When you have completed both of these tasks ask yourself the following question: "Exactly what is the difference between lucid dreaming and astral projection?"

Answer that question and all will be clear to you.............

Kevin A.

For openers, if you are lucid dreaming, then you are aware that you are dreaming. If you are astrally projecting, then you do not believe that you are dreaming.

Why is this difficult? You mean vivid, not lucid.

Yes, some people use lucidity to attain control, and then lose the lucidity. Or maybe they stop dreaming. Whatever.

Lucid dream = controlling a dream you know you are in

APing = Controlling a vivid dream you do not believe you are in. You believe it to be something other than a dream

This is where I constantly fail to see a difference between dreaming, lucid dreaming and APing. I see "belief" as always being the important word here.....

Kevin A.

No, Kevin. Lucidity does not reliably confer control of a dream, nor is lucidity necessary for control of a dream. Some people do abbreviate "lucid and controlled" to either one, when it is clear from the context that both apply.

All APers necessarily claim not to be dreaming, so they cannot be lucid dreaming (even by your definition). Some APers report a lack of control, whether as to where they go, or what happens when they get there.

And if APers are dreaming, and do have control, and do not know that they are dreaming, then we return to our beginnings: an example of having control of a dream without being lucid.

Besides, you meant vivid. That is both a standard descriptive term for a kind of dream, and is also a common feature of plain-language AP reports.

You raise an important epistemological point, how would one distinguish between a dream and an experience of going somewhere other than a particular earthly place? That is a difficult enough problem without hashing the words.

Astral projection is only as real as all the other completely unprovable and unfalsifiable ideas people so desparately convince themselves is real.. Astral-battles, astral-realms, astral-communication, astral-doing the dishes... all a load of fantasy people LIKE to think is real, but is still just a fantasy..

In my opinion...

*EDIT*

I think Astral projection is real, to an extent. I don't think you go out of your body or anything, I think you just explore your mind. It's pretty cool though, I have only done it once, but it felt real. I mean, I was still kind of awake, I heard my uncle talking in the other room, but I looked around and, I can't even describe what I saw. It's nutz. It is real, but I don't think you float around in a difference existence, just your mind.

Evidence? no...


Evidence? no...


Simple experimental evidence? no...


Again... very very simple experimental evidence? no...


Once again... i assume there is some sort of supporting evidence? no...

So with all the claims about astral projection flying around isn't it amazing that not a single shred of evidence has ever been produced to show that it is anything other than people with active imaginations having lucid dreams?

A lot more. Go read on the internet. There are some tests done. And most have been found to be positive. There is a reason why there are so many more believers in Astral projecting.

It's real yes.

Maybe you'll find something useful in my thread about increasing astral projection skills at http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...tral+projection

Best wishes and good luck mate!

And yet none of these test are peer reviewed.. if they were than the outcomes would be re-producable and verifyable... which they never are.

If there is anything which could be classed as astral projection it would simply be lucid dreaming of people who want to beleive in something which is not there...

KILLER POINT
If someone could provide rock solid evidence that astral projection / out of body projection was real then they would have discovered a new realm of physics which would make groundbreaking news around the world... this event is conspicuously absent...

Well you just have to accept that things bordering on the paranormal is what you have to call not totally logical in the case that you have to accept it to make it work. You cannot ask people to prove it for you because it is different. I know how you feel but. Well its jsut different. What can i say.

SOME people I believe take lucid dreaming for astral projection. But not all I feel.

If you wish to argue from science, then you might consider using scientific terms-of-art in a way which suggests that you know their meaning.

It is uninteresting that you are dissatisfied with the evidence presented by others until and unless you give some indication that you are able to evaluate technical evidence. Knowing the meaning of words commonly used in the field would be a great start.

Morning Eightbits,

Ok lets hash this out

Lucid means being aware that you are dreaming. As you said it does not necessarily mean control of the dream. Fine, then is there a term that defines a non controlled lucid dream and another term that defines a controlled lucid dream? I am not aware of either…. From what I have seen the goal of anyone lucid dreaming is to gain control of the dream though there seems to be other options. Simple enough to associate lucid with control even if its desired control.

Now a vivid dream means a dream that seems incredibly real. Is there more to it than that? It does not mean you are aware you are dreaming but it does not mean that you are not aware either.

Ok then. Now this is my point here. An APer states that they are no longer in their body, in their mind, in this plane of existence etc. To me this is simply a dream state. Becoming aware that they are in another place(not their body/mind) but not believing/admitting that it is simply a dream does not make it something special. It is still a lucid dream but the APer believes it something more.

Maybe I am way off base. If I am let us discuss this further. Am I still confused on the terms here?

“You raise an important epistemological point, how would one distinguish between a dream and an experience of going somewhere other than a particular earthly place?”

This has been my point and question for a long time, no one has been able to give me an answer so far…..

Kevin A.

How about those ?

It is sort of like expecting the language to furnish a special term for beautiful blondes. Beautiful means what it does, blonde means what it does. While there may be some who cannot imagine the one without the other, ... So, occasionally we need to use two words for a single idea.

Lucidity has a separate history of scientific interest and concern. Control never really was that controversial. I think people have always thought real hard about something while falling asleep and then managed to dream about it. Enough so that nobody would say that was impossible.


That would be the "null hypothesis" for some kind of test of these claims...


No, it stopped being a lucid dream (or never was one) when the dreamer lost awareness that it was a dream, assuming the hypothesis to be correct.

It is not unusual for lucidity to occur only during part of a dream, and not during other parts.

If there is a named type for the sort of dream AP would be (besides vivid, which comes up so often), then unfortunately it is a "loaded term:" false awakening, that is, dreaming convincingly that you are not currently asleep, the very "mirror image" of lucidity.

Most false awakenings share with OBE's the sense that the physical body is where it ought to be, but differ in that body and soul are usually together, so to speak. On the other hand, part of what makes false awakening convincing, besides vividness, is that you are dreaming what you expect would happen if you were awake (plus or minus a UFO, maybe).

So, if you expect a stroll through the astral planes, and you get the vivid sensation of that, then it is not so different from pedestrian little me imagining throwing off the covers and fishing around the kitchen cupboard for a new can of coffee 'cause I used up the old one yesterday.

APers would howl bloody murder if you described their experiences as "false awakenings," although it does have a ring to it, I must admit.

The entire point of astral projection is not to see the world around you, it is looking into the self(in trance or dream) through the use of your own consciousness.
Lucid dreaming is where you are conscious that you are in a dream and/or can even control parts or all of the dream around you.

Where it becomes useful, is when you have enough control of the self to seperate the living body and to take your conscious with you to explore the world around you.

Remote viewing was a term that the KGB used in their development programs for spying through the use of the well-trained mind.

Google "Nina Kalugina", she was the top psychic to be studied, as she had learned at a young age to force her will onto anything and make it move, or become magnetized... This produced alot of stress on her heart, and she died within the studies that were conducted.

Believe it or not, It very well does exist, along with many other things thrown out by those who buy into the "official" worldview of today. The real world however, is a far more interesting and scary place than anyone likes to admit, It seems so sad that people lose the spark of youth where literally nothing is impossible. What do you think the cold war was about? The moon? Please...

But, i digress, back to astral projection, it is not easy to do for a person who does not have an open/active mind especially if they have trouble grasping the concept of a "clear" mind. What i mean by that is specifically a mind that is delving into the senses, and is too preoccupied to "think".

People do not understand "thinking" now the way they used to. Today "thinking" is that voice inside your head, and if your lucky maybe some visual/other sense is associated with it and you can imagine a scene play out, or a way to make use of space and build a corner loft bed, or imagine what it is like to split an atom, etc, etc, etc.
Forget the voice inside your head(believe me not an easy task!!!), use the visual parts of your brain instead!

Astral Projection is real, however there is a catch. This is a method i have used many times, and i have even come upon probably the reason most people cant do it, or haven't figured it out yet.

Close your eyes and lay in bed, get relaxed, open your eyes and slowly close them again. Get a good picture of what you see around you in your mind, make it as exact as you possibly can. It should, eventually end up on your eyelids, and you should be able to "see" the room even though your eyes are closed. Hold on to that image as you drift into relaxation, and keep yourself conscious by focusing on any other sense than sight(sight is the sense your subconscious knows is the easiest to fool you by, I find "feeling" to be the best sense to build on, as you will definitely know it is real!). If you get it right, you will seperate from your body, and be able to move around your room and maybe even see what is outside.

It should be noted: you will end up, as your consciousness drifts to sleep, in a dream...

The Trick is to stay conscious within the projection, the catch is without "consciousness" anything you experience will be flawed and un-real, therefore having you assume it was a dream the whole time. however, i do not see dreams as "un-real", simply given to the individual interpretations, which just usually happens to be utterly incorrect most of the time.

Something i am very compelled to tell people is this, there are 2 "real" experiences in the world, and 2 ways to go about either of them.
There is the world of Order, where you wake up where you went to sleep, where you are constrained by gravity at all given moments, the world outside of yourself, and where dreams are dreams and nothing more...
Then, there is the world of Chaos, where literally anything can happen directly to your mind, body, or soul. This is the self!!!!
You go there every night, it is even been proven the brain is using more energy while you sleep than while you are awake, traveling and experiencing endless possibilities, but... we don't remember it most of the time...

There is a state, between the waking world, and the sleeping world, like the twilight of dawn and dusk, the perfect balance of reality, and i only have 1 more suggestion for people who have trouble getting there.

When you go to lay down and go to sleep, imagine anything. Literally anything, a landscape, a large tree, a single leaf, a scene for a movie, choreography, documents stories, literally anything. All i can stress is make sure it is something you like that has a positive feel to it. Use as much of your mind as possible.
I.E. your senses, massive as possible, small as possible, detailed as possible, fluid hypnotic movement(for trance), and another good one...
a beat. a simple, gentle, drum sound, or flute notes...

People dont get it that the mind can do so much with little to no "actual" knowledge of what is to be made.

You don't need to be a musical genius to hear the music of genius in your mind...

I do not understand how lucid dreaming can be confused with astral projection.

I will offer my definitions:

Lucid dreaming - Control of your dream, being able to think about looking at your hands and doing so is a test, the landscape I am not sure if it is already provided or if you can change it at will since I have never LDed.

Astral Projection - Entering the spirit world which is a replica of our own but might have different weather and of course creatures.

Out of Body Experience - Entering the same plane but with your consciousness. Everything would appear and be exactly the same as it does when wide awake.

Remote Viewing - Using mental vision techniques to get glimpses of information closely related to the Silva Mind Method.

Psychic Projection- For a lack of a better term it is imagining someone else and imprinting your emotions and/or thoughts towards them by creating a straight line from them to you. If it is negative energy it best to make a shield around you so you are not affected.

Dream Walking - Closely related to the above but entering someone else's dream. It ranges from you not knowing you are there but the target seeing you, because you have projected your energy and thoughts towards them, all the way to fully knowing you are there in someone else's dream.

No...The diffrence, is that in an LD, you can control your dream..In AP, you go to the astral realm...And, durin and LD, you become lucid durin the dream..In AP you consciouslly exit...

Hmmm... could you be a little clearer on that point... here are the widely accepted definitions for both of the terms i used in my above statement...

Lucid dreaming
Lucid dreaming (lucid from Latin, lux "light") is the conscious perception of one's state while dreaming, resulting in a much clearer experience and sometimes enabling direct control over the content of the dream, a realistic world that is to some degree in the control of the dreamer.

Astral Projection
An out-of-body experience often occurs during sleep or a meditative state during which the body separates from the physical body. Also known as an altered state of consciousness or multi-dimensional travel.

Soooo.. both of thoes terms seem pretty well defined...

And you're saying if someone went into a meditative state, and experienced what they would call "astral projection" you're telling me that what they are experiencing couldn't possibly be a lucid dream?

The first line of your definition is a candidate definition, if a tad oblique


but the rest?


There are reports of lucidity without special clarity, it is impossible to say whether it "enables" control of dream content, since this can be achieved without lucidity, some lucid dreams afford the dreamer no control whatsoever, and lucid dreams may be just as unrealistic as any others.

Please do not confuse things which this or that person hopes to achieve by pursuing lucid dreaming with what lucid dreaming is.

You might want to visit dreamviews.com and read a few reports. You can compare those reports with aspirational statements by those who are working on lucidity, or who have achieved lucidity without realizing their aspirations.


Yes.

If they were in a meditative state, then they aren't even dreaming (hallucinating maybe). The physiology of meditative states is markedly different from sleep (although people who set out to meditate do sometimes fall asleep instead). And if they believe that they are not dreaming, then right or wrong, they are not dreaming lucidly.

I am certain that I am not dreaming lucidly as I type this, for example. I may wake up, and discover I had fallen asleep at my computer, but since I don't believe I am dreaming, lucidity is out of the question.

You want the proof of OBE or Astral Projection?

Then you must
1) be open to the idea, as without this you are hopeless.
2) realize your consciousness can still be conscious of itself in either the waking, or sleeping world. or vica-versa.
3) become open to spiritual growth above all else, materialism is the anchor that holds the soul down from soaring.
4) like a child, do not assume you know anything at all about what you perceive is reality, because most if not all of it is an illusion.
5) do not expect immediate results and dont be stressed if you dont get them.

Now, for the first week, simply visualize anything you like for a good 10 minutes before you go to sleep. Anything at all, it also helps to sit down relax and create a place you can go to(dont be shabby now, its your mind whether you chose to use it or not, make this place BIG, detailed, enveloping to the senses, anything else you can possibly hold in your mind all at the same time) and just walk around in it.

Using your imagination is the bottom line, the imagination is the center of creativity, and without creativity how do you plan to overcome something that as been set in stone by "experts" as a completely irrational and useless concept?

If you do this 10 minute exercise before you go to sleep(do it as best you can, otherwise you may just be disappointed) each night, by the second night you should experience many more dreams than usual, and if you get really good at it(i have done this once or twice, but in the end i am prone to nightmares so i haven't done this in awhile) you will keep your conscious mind as you fall into sleep and you will be bombarded by so many things at once it will boggle your mind.
As said above, not recommended for those who still have personal or exterior demons. I have never had a problem if i let myself fall asleep rather than hold onto my consciousness as the "ocean"(?) of dreams swept over me.

The last step is obviously to see the actual world play out while you seperate your consciousness from your body, it is not easy, but here are two methods.

Dangerous method with uncontrollable results: For those who just want to delve straight into the world of the out of body experience(or atleast a quite peculiar state) you can skip everything above(not recommended) and pass yourself out(again, not recommended). To do this have a friend with you and get yourself positioned with your back next to a wall.
Tell your friend that when you put your arms up he/she should take both palms and apply pressure to both of your jugular veins(or w/e the other one is called) for a very short amount of time, afterwhich he/she should try to catch you as you fall.

Now, put your head between your legs and cause yourself to hyper-ventilate by breathing as deeply and heavily as you can for about 30 breaths or as many as you feel comfortable with. stand straight up, shoot your arms to the sky, as the blood rushes to your head you friend will slow it and a whole plethora of things could happen.

I have had OBE's, the weird "purple"(and other strange colors) moving veil, seeing, hearing, and other senses accumulating information in "slo-mo"(i attribute this to the speed of the mind as it awakens and re-joins the real world, it is very fast!), among many other very strange experiences. Under other circumstances i would say this is a bad idea, but in all reality, soda, fast food, alcohol, tobacco, legitimate drugs and illegitimate drugs alike are all destroying your brain-cells anyway, so a couple trips through black-out and pass-out states cant possibly be that bad comparatively.

The Non-Dangerous Method that gets real results and doesn't kill brain-cells in the process:
Make experiencing your dreams consciously your top priority, and envision while you are where-ever you are exactly what is around you at the time.

Close your eyes, open your eyes and make a mental image of everything you see, close your eyes and hold that image until you can see it even though your eyes are closed, the rest comes naturally as "seeing" through your eyelids gives your mind a good focus point.

Anyone can dispute that psychic powers, RV, AP, are not real. But i find that the Soviets US China and many other countries have spent quite a bit of money and time on seeing whether it was "real" or not they found Nina Kalugina, who has yet to be discredited...

The obvious truth seems to slip right past everyone...