While going over some you tube vids,i came across the ONE tape where MSNBC talks openly about the possibility of Using Space based weapons to "defend" us against unwanted visitors.I even had the luck of watching a test fire on a alien craft,but they missed!(thank god!) Anyway,here is the MSNBC video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pvk4dxfjDs...feature=related

Bush? as in George bush?

that guy must watch too many movies...

...or invade too many middle-eastern countries

Interesting....thanks for that.

Another very senior person....Paul Hellyer...former Canadian Defence Minister (no less)
adding more weight to the importance of the Disclosure Project......

I liked the fact that he didn't consider the 'aliens' to be enemy aliens.....because if push comes
to shove....I don't think we'd 'win' a conflict with ETs who had the technology to get here....

The guy that put up the video,aceBryan7ox,has some other really interesting video's on the subject,and i must say,he must have spent ALOT of time putting them all together.The area to the upper right of the page,where it says "more about this video" should be accesed so you can see all the links to some other vid's he has posted.Really good information.One i just watched was very enjoyable and interesting and i didn't expect to hear what i did.Glad i watched.Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1crfRp7RL2w

Yeah, if we can hit a falling satellite why not target some spaceship from another galaxy?

And THAT....was another very interesting short video.....I watch these people very closely
when they are speaking....and I believe this man is being truthful. You can feel it, sense it.

This was one of the Project Camelot interviews.....I have recently got into Project Camelot...BIG TIME!
I'm working my way through all the interviews.....and I can honestly say that it has changed my life...there
is so much being said.....so much to CONSIDER and process....it's a journey of the mind and spirit....we don't
have to believe everything we read or hear....but we can explore what is presented....and make up our
own minds.

This is the Project Camelot site......HERE

I hadn't got to the interview of the gentleman speaking on this YouTube clip....but I was bowled over by the
Dan Burisch and Richard Hoagland set of interviews.....and I have a real soft spot for David Wilcock....

Cheers Allegory....

I doubt Bush can hit the bottom of the toilet without sitting down.

Hello! Was'nt this exact same thing talked about by Carol Rosin in the err 'debunked' Disclosure Project?

Thanks for the link- it's much appreciated. Looks like lots of info there to be viewed - and internalized, one way, or the other.

You're very welcome.....now...full steam ahead....prepare yourself for the intellectual journey of a lifetime.....

Enjoy the trip!

Not gonna happ'n.


Btw I came in here ready to yell "CHEWBACCA DEFENSE!>!"

Hey Rebel!Yeah,i remember Carol Rosin,talking about how we were going to be "fooled" into thinking we were in need of space based weapons to protect us from the Aliens.It was her Mentor,Wernher von Braun,who said they would use the aliens for an excuse to weaponize space.He was adamit that we were in fact,being fooled.They know that there is *no way* we could win a war with a much more advanced race of beings who,if they really wanted to,could waste us,no problem.As far as Project disclosure being debunked,no,it was the top officials telling thier stories about what they had seen/expeireinced and the testimony they were willing to give.Nothing to debunk on thier part,just to disclose the truth.(hence the name disclosure) I think that people who are only going to damage thier reputation for speaking the truth should be comended for being honest and coming forth.Here is another piece of news,CNN with top govt and millitary officials talking about what they have seen,and i cant say that i would want to come forth and say anything,just knowing what kind of damage can be inflicted on someone's reputation for telling the truth.Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgqb3FQQPzE

Actually,we have in the past,unloaded on U.F.O.'S that had come close to the Los Angeles area back in 1942.To my amazment,there is one video that shows the whole thing(again thanx to aceBryan7ox) it is strange to think that we would fire upon something that could do...who knows what?But after seeing this video,i can understand why they wouldnt want to come down and say hi...Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjPow17IGro...feature=related

Great interview - all of this makes me very nervous though.

Do you all see that the reason they don't officially land or make official contact is for this very reason? We are too violent and primitive towards our own kind, so imagine what we'd be like towards people from other planets!

There is no way that any human built technology can match theirs - if they wanted to wipe us out they could - but they won't and never will. They respect us and watch us and are waiting until we become peaceful enough so they can land. It doesn't matter if we are no match for them - do you see how insulting it is to be shot at?

I'm a Raelian and we believe that the people in the UFO's are the creators of humanity (as documented in all religions).....how would you feel if you had a child and left it alone with its Mum to develop on its own without any help from yourself....then when you do visit for 5 minutes every couple of months your child runs up to you with a knife and tries to stab you in the leg! There's no way that they kid can beat you, because you are stronger and quicker and could take the knife off him in a second. But still, it hurts you emotionally. Your own kid wants to kill you, for real.

Does everyone understand what I'm saying?

-josh

dear God.......this makes as much sense as when Cindy Sheehan said Bush created Katrina with a secret spy satellite!!
People really have nothing better to do!!

and look at the source;

*snip*

The undeniable unbiased ever reliable just got to be has to be 'true'...

*snip* - Excessive swearing.

Secret Government & Alien conspiracy exposed;



Note the secret Illuminati handshake?
Sources say shortly thereafter negotiations had taken a turn for the worse, war was imminent.

Well, i never have said mainstream media was very reliable,but the first one was MSNBC,and the second video was CBS circa 1942.(the Los Angeles event) But really,i never have believed that there was ever alien's meeting with Bush,(why would they?he's a war monger) and to be sure,i dont believe they mean us harm.I think most people realize they have the ability to destroy us in a flash.But remember,inside every lie is a sliver of truth,just to keep you guessing.And the Los Angeles event did happen.Here is one last one just for the heck of it.(kids in africa confronted by aliens) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctimRp7VKU4...feature=related

Yeah I agree, as if they can travel the vastness of sapce but are helpless against our earth weapons.

I think this is a ploy to continue the weaponization of space. And who knows, its maybe also get us to pay an ET tax at some point down the road

Its like if some dope in a bow tie tells the American people that they are in danger of being attacked by aliens, they will believe it (and they will).

LOL!!!

Frigg'n IRS...and the ETs won't be exempt either

well said

I couldn't agree more. This all sounds so far fetched and beyond the wildest sci-fi literature. What's even more amusing is that the thread has two pages already.

My god, Bush senior is looking rough these days.

You think his 'ol man looks bad, you should see his 'ol lady...

OF COURSE he is!!! Paranoid people do paranoid things!! Do you REALLY think setting up some kind of EMP cannon on the moon would stop some alien technology YEARS AHEAD of ours?
Not a friggin chance there Georgie! Go waste more tax dollars in Afghanistan instead...we APPARENTLY neeeeed the oil and opium!
SMOKE 'EM OUT!!!! hahahahah!!!

Great! Send them back to their own countries...if they are illegal.

i bet even though there building a friggin base on the moon with the intention to fight off ufos they still deny that they exist

Isn't Bush an alien or a reptilian?

Better make certain you're legal first. Caucasians weren't the first ones to inhabit North America, you know.

On topic: I don't see how it is possible to debunk the claims of an upcoming interstellar war. If extraterrestrial life indeed exists, it is a safe bet to assume that the powers that be might be quite nervous in terms of how the masses might act/grow from contact and the resulting flow of information coming from another race or Beings from another time/dimension. If I were at the top of a worldwide organization, I'd be quite nervous indeed and try to promote the idea of hostility towards them at any cost.

Move this tripe to the conspiracy theory forums. What a bunch of bologna. NO PROOF, MISREPRESENTED, and just plain FALSE in many aspects.

At least you spelled Bologna right.

Wow......what's going on.....in that YouTube clip? Trying, but failing to 'bring down' the Unidentified Flying Object.

Was it something to do with the war in Europe? Or was it ET related?

At the bottom of the comments bit it says..."Adding comments has been disabled for this video."

Does anyone know about disabling comments on YouTube? Does this happen a lot?

Wait a minute some advanced race is come to earth and we are going to attempt to blow them up!!. Exuse me but if the ate smart enough to travel to earth don't you think their weaspons will be advanced too. Only a few more months of Bushy boy.

Im curious... why do you believe that these are the creators? Could they not be some other species that has nothing to do with humanity's creation?



How would you feel if you had a child, left it alone with its mom to develop without any contact from yourself... then one day when its in a dark alley, you show up and just stare at it and follow it.

Would you blame it if it tried to stab you in the leg? You're threatening to it.

Yes... because it was Bush that started all of this.

both of them are possible in my opinion.
seeing as how we dont really know the answer to either one.

He is the worlds foremost aurthority in being a jackass

Here Here we all agree to that

Who really knows what the future will bring.

I,ll ask my Fiancie she seems to know everything

May i remind those who have seem to not have been paying attention,this topic is about FACTUAL EVENTS.There is a star wars based weapon's system that is near completion.And it was president Reagan who was behind making the first steps toward the ultimate goal.So to those with the opinion this should be moved,i think you know what i would say to you.Stick to the topic.And to those who think this is a stupid,or worthless topic,i would tell you to save your typing skills for another person's topic.Back to what was the ORIGINAL dialogue.We do have a mindset of control that runs the country,and im sure it would love to run the whole world.(hence the name New World Order) But for total domination of the planet,one would have to conquer space also.Now,that brings us to the Ultimate question:Why would we want to confront and maybe engage millatarily beings that are not violent?One would have to consider the most obvious answer to this question:To keep the aliens who CAN stop a nuke from launching from "interfering" with said plans.If one looks at how many times a U.F.O,or a group of them,have seemingly stopped a launch of a rocket,it has happened more then a few times.If you were in the commander's seat,telling others what you want done,then suddenly,your missles wont fire;You could see why they would not want such a scenario.It would take away all control from thier hands completly.The aliens would have,effectivly,shut down and possibly prevented ww3.Only a race of beings more preoccupied with plans of real peace could do such a thing.And since mankind through the centuries has shown he CANNOT obtain peace,wether through diplomatic means,or all out threats of total annihilation,thier plans(the aliens) would only be a fly in the ointment.Of course this could all just be conjecture,on my part to assume such horrific thought procceses at work at the highest level of govt.Now that if you think about it makes more sense,right?I mean really,how often do you really THINK about how we obtain peace?Through intimadation of killing millions of people if you dont comply.We are a world that thrives on war,and some really thrive on it.(financially) While the rest pay for it.(with thier lives) But to live on a planet,where your only assurance of peace is to aim many large nuclear weapons at another country,while they do the same,then smile broadly for the camera and proclaim we have reached an agreement.Of course you did!If you didnt,you would all be flat,green,and glowing.And since no one wants that,everyone stays cool.Mostly.After all,violence and control will ALWAYS subdue any person,or nation.I believe it was Al Capone who once said "you get alot farther with a kind word and a gun,then with just the kind words alone."And i do believe that most people realize this statement to be true.That is why mutually assured destruction works so well.(M.A.D) for short.That is a shame,since we have really come this far with technology,yet humanity got left in the dust long ago.I do believe that if humankind could raise up to the level of understanding the importance of being more understanding of others,and knowing that in fact,no one is perfect,maybe to help by leading in example in exchange for threatning with destruction,would we not have evolved to a point where learning to care more about eachother,would be the ultimate goal?To go through centuries of watching man never learn,and seeing only bad to be done with technology,how far has this gotten us closer to real understanding?Would it not be wonderfull to look forward to a day where people could wake up and think:What can i do to make the world a better place?How about using said technology to build desalination plants in countries that are near the ocean,yet lack any clean water?What joy you could bring to millions who are starving,and for no reason,when the technology to make such occurensense happen...It could go that way if people started caring about people,and humanity.Use the intelligence you have for good,and for peacefull purpose,and your life will improve.It almost seems selfish,like when you give some one a present you know they really wanted,and the joy you feel from having made that happen.You see thier face light up,and in your heart,your feeling of having done something right makes that happen.It is only when humanity comes together,as a whole,to make things right,then we will have gotten closer to where we SHOULD be.And no longer will we have to make threats of destruction to insure our saftey or the well being of others.Look inside yourselves and see if this is not the way that you wish it could be.Because it can be,you just have to want it bad enough.Just as much as you want that new computer.Or cell phone with all the fancy extras.Or that 52 inch plasma T.V.Maybe one day you will wake up thinking about how,becuase of you,and your contribution,a whole nation will no longer have to starve to death,because you made a difference.And if you are thinking it cant work for you also,you are wrong.There would be many more jobs in the world,people making inroads toward having built that desalination plant.So that way there is fresh water,to drink,and to supply the large hydroponic farms needed to help grow the crops for everyone to be able to eat healthy and be healthy.Because you made a difference.To turn a barren desert of starving people into a green land of smiling,caring,happy people.Instead of turning on the telly and seeing nothing but war,and poverty,despair,violence,starvation and death.YOU could make that wonderfull scene a reality through action.Or,conversely,through inaction you will have facillatated the destruction by doing nothing and letting everything continue to spiral out of control and downward.While making sure to enjoy the 52 inch T.V.MANKINDS FUTURE,OUR CHILDRENS FUTURE SHOULD MATTER MORE TO YOU THEN ANYTHING,NOTHING ELSE SHOULD MATTER BUT TO INSURE OUR'S AND THIER'S FUTURE.

Does this mean that you think that ET's being confused as 'God' isn't possible?

Yeah, they would never meet with Bush. He's an idiot and he's a highly unstable violent person. He's a war criminal and the head of what we could call a 'world cartel' posing as the 'good guys'. They wouldn't want to favour any country on Earth with a contact because they don't advocate any country on Earth - we're not worthy of an official contact as yet, until we become peaceful.

That's cool that you don't believe it - but surely it's more possible than the reality of a spiritual god?

Imagine in 200 years that we travel to another planet which is deserted and create life in laboratories - surely our creation would start to think of us as gods, especially if we dropped in every so often to check up on them without explaining our origins and how our technology works.

There are tribes out there that are amazed at a flash light - they think you've got some sort of spirtual power. So surely in our ancient history we were visited and the same 'confusion' happened?

Great point! Apparantly so...however it's just a cultural ploy to hope that the evil he created came from a demonic race of reptiles. I hate to tell them, but humanity are capable of horrible things - don't go blaming the 'reptilians'. They are the 'satan' of the 21st century.....a myth designed to blame our faults on.

Great point - you too see right through them! THey are totally nervous.

I believe they're our creators because after reading the information they gave to Rael to makes sense - that advanced people were thought of as God....you can see traces in all of the religious texts. It makes sense to me, because the idea of God is silly in my opinion.

They could be lying I suppose, however I believe that advanced people are peaceful and to do something like this would be so damaging to the psyche of humanity that it would cause greater confusion. They want to help us, so therefore, I trust them.

Personally, I'm fairly certain that the same struggle between good and evil that occurs right here on good ol' Earth occurs "out there" as well - with probably about the same ratio of good ETs versus unevolved ones. In other words, I think the vast majority of ETs are good and altruistic rather than not. Whatever the case, we're smack dab in the middle of it all - like Freshmen in high school in the middle of the Bronx.

I feel the need to point out that the missle defence system is nowhere near the "starwars programme that Ronnie Regan envisged.
Secondly it doesn,t actually even work, whether you beleive that bush is a "Reptile" "Alein Brainless Drone" "super secret cult leader"
or the "devil" Hes still a jackass who spent 100 billion dollars on somethimg that can,t shoot down 1 misslle let alone a fleet of space craft

But for all you know, this craft could have belonged to a different alien species!