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blessthefall92
A serpent like creature has allegedly been sighted near Halong Bay, Vietnam. The SCI FI original series entitled "Destination Truth" did a show on it and captured one picture that seemed convincing. The creature is said to be anywhere from 15 to 25 meters long which would be apporximately 60-75 feet. Scientists say that the locals could be mistaking this creature for a whale shark, which can grow up to 40 feet in length, which doesn't meet the size of the Tarasque, but when you factor in dramatizations it seems possible. I personally believe it is possible that something like this exists, but until I can see some hard evidence i will remain skeptical.


Here is a photo I found of the so called serpent. I believe what is supposed to be the Tarasque is the thing in the middle of the two rocks, if you ask me it looks like just another rock, please give me your thoughts on this Vietnamese Legend.

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Lady Otterwynnd
QUOTE (blessthefall92 @ Apr 10 2008, 07:28 PM) *
A serpent like creature has allegedly been sighted near Halong Bay, Vietnam. The SCI FI original series entitled "Destination Truth" did a show on it and captured one picture that seemed convincing. The creature is said to be anywhere from 15 to 25 meters long which would be apporximately 60-75 feet. Scientists say that the locals could be mistaking this creature for a whale shark, which can grow up to 40 feet in length, which doesn't meet the size of the Tarasque, but when you factor in dramatizations it seems possible. I personally believe it is possible that something like this exists, but until I can see some hard evidence i will remain skeptical.


Here is a photo I found of the so called serpent. I believe what is supposed to be the Tarasque is the thing in the middle of the two rocks, if you ask me it looks like just another rock, please give me your thoughts on this Vietnamese Legend.

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Huh, just looks like rocks to me. It doesn't have any distinguishing features, and it's the same color as the rocks around it, so it's most likely just rocks.
Dragon Seeker
Well in truth all i know abou the Tarasque is D&D Lore and i think it might just be a rare breed of dinosaur, but i dont know maybe its a creature all in itself, or a type of dragon. but i think the point im making is that little is known about the creature, i don't claim to know much just stating my theory on what it might be.
Lady Otterwynnd
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 10 2008, 08:51 PM) *
Well in truth all i know abou the Tarasque is D&D Lore and i think it might just be a rare breed of dinosaur, but i dont know maybe its a creature all in itself, or a type of dragon. but i think the point im making is that little is known about the creature, i don't claim to know much just stating my theory on what it might be.

There's actually quite a bit of information about the Tarasque. I've read plenty of books with sections about the creature. They DID do a show about it on Destination Truth too, and if you really want a ton of info, you could go to Vietnam, I guess. laugh.gif But, if all the evidence of Tarasques are photos of rocks.... I highly doubt they exist except in Vietnamese mythology.
The Maharaja
I saw that destination truth episode,and what struck me was the fact that there was a floating village,
on the creatures doorstep. Now if theres a 75ft long 12 ft wide predetor living there , what are the people doing there?
Tia
I've never heard this legend before, in the picture it just looks like rocks.
early-winter
Interesting rock. ^^
~Cheese~
Nice form for a rock ^^
Yorgmiester
Hmmm yes there are 2 rocks in between the other ones but maybe that's not the supposed Tarasque?I noticed a dark line in the water below the rocks.Maybe that's what we're supposed to be looking at.Or maybe that dot on the far-off horizon.To me it looks like this is a shot someone took of the scenery,and then later they were like "OMG theres a sea-monster!" like the infamous "bray road beast" pic.
WEREGIRL666
Tarasque mean a dragon from france .........Legend has it that the creature inhabited the area of Nerluc in Provence, and devastated the landscape far and wide. The Tarasque was a sort of dragon with six short legs like a bear's, an ox-like body covered with a turtle shell, and a scaly tail that ended in a scorpion's sting. It had a lion's head.
Dragon Seeker
QUOTE (WEREGIRL666 @ Apr 11 2008, 02:07 PM) *
Tarasque mean a dragon from france .........Legend has it that the creature inhabited the area of Nerluc in Provence, and devastated the landscape far and wide. The Tarasque was a sort of dragon with six short legs like a bear's, an ox-like body covered with a turtle shell, and a scaly tail that ended in a scorpion's sting. It had a lion's head.



Then i guess thats the description the Monster Manual artist went by because that is what i looks like within the book, also thanks to Lady Otterwynnd for giving me a bit more insight on this creature
Undeadskeptic
I voted possible fact, as it might be a whale or other large marine beastie. But Maharaja's point is very true.
Dragon Seeker
Well Undeadskeptic this is the first thing that you and I have agreed upon (that I know of anyways) and i am really quite interseted by this beast

linked-image that is the Tarasque as depicted by the artist of the Monster Manual does it come anywhere close to what you think it might look like?
Thunderbolt
"The Tarasque was a fearsome monster tamed in a legendary story about Saint Martha."

i picked possible fact because minus two legs and i see what looks like an armadilo and i feel there could be a form of marin armadilo
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 12 2008, 05:47 PM) *
Well Undeadskeptic this is the first thing that you and I have agreed upon (that I know of anyways) and i am really quite interseted by this beast

linked-image that is the Tarasque as depicted by the artist of the Monster Manual does it come anywhere close to what you think it might look like?


We agree on much, much, much, much more than I let off my friend. wink2.gif

The first thing I think is that such an animal is very poorly adapted for underwater life. Assuming it swims, such a bulky body adorned with unhelpfully posistioned gigantic spikes doesn't really help. Also, it has no obvious gills or a similar underwater breathing system, so that would mean it must emerge to breath occasionally, which would inevitablly have given away such a fantastic and huge creatures existence by now. Also there seems to be no reason a creature so very comfortable on land, as depictd in the image, would feel forced to move into the water. Such a collosal predator would undoubtedly have no natural threats in the form of other carnivores. And another point is that nothing at all like it appears in the recent (Or non-recent for that matter) fossil record and inded it appears to be a hodge podge of different animals stuck together to create this fanciful beastie.

I imagined a cetecan with sharp fangs like the Orca, but a little more sinister looking. wink2.gif
The Maharaja
If the creature does exist it could be a early predatory proto-whale
DieChecker
I can imagine it being based on one of three real creatures. A large snapping turtle, a hippopotamus or a crocodile. Any of those if seen by French peasants in a river would breed stories about a dragon monster. All are aggressive if hungery or threatened and all take a lot of damage to kill.
Dragon Seeker
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Apr 12 2008, 10:28 AM) *
We agree on much, much, much, much more than I let off my friend. wink2.gif

The first thing I think is that such an animal is very poorly adapted for underwater life. Assuming it swims, such a bulky body adorned with unhelpfully posistioned gigantic spikes doesn't really help. Also, it has no obvious gills or a similar underwater breathing system, so that would mean it must emerge to breath occasionally, which would inevitablly have given away such a fantastic and huge creatures existence by now. Also there seems to be no reason a creature so very comfortable on land, as depictd in the image, would feel forced to move into the water. Such a collosal predator would undoubtedly have no natural threats in the form of other carnivores. And another point is that nothing at all like it appears in the recent (Or non-recent for that matter) fossil record and inded it appears to be a hodge podge of different animals stuck together to create this fanciful beastie.

I imagined a cetecan with sharp fangs like the Orca, but a little more sinister looking. wink2.gif

so far im liking this we are agreeing and little skeptism is met with the statments i have put out, and to use the D&D version of it, it is a massive creature that is of a legand and one of a kind, and thought untouchable, even by the most mighty weapons. and in the D&D version it avoids going in water like the plauge...


also you were right it is sinister looking, you shure as hell wouldnt want to meet that thing under any conditions.



heres another pic i found on google by looking up "D&D Tarrasque"

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scary looking huh?
Archosaur
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 13 2008, 01:39 PM) *
so far im liking this we are agreeing and little skeptism is met with the statments i have put out, and to use the D&D version of it, it is a massive creature that is of a legand and one of a kind, and thought untouchable, even by the most mighty weapons. and in the D&D version it avoids going in water like the plauge...


also you were right it is sinister looking, you shure as hell wouldnt want to meet that thing under any conditions.



heres another pic i found on google by looking up "D&D Tarrasque"

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scary looking huh?

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Godzilla In Name Only?
DieChecker
In D&D it is not unbeatable. It only regenerates super quick and will not stay dead, unless you use a Wish.

Here is a pic I found of a statue of it in France.
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Dragon Seeker
Ok well sue me for having never fought the thing ok?

still the whole idea of it being Aquatic is kinda silly, but my vote stands a possible fact
Lady Otterwynnd
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 13 2008, 03:49 PM) *
Ok well sue me for having never fought the thing ok?

still the whole idea of it being Aquatic is kinda silly, but my vote stands a possible fact

It's obviously turtle shaped, so why wouldn't it be aquatic? That's what the ORIGINAL legend says, so I would assume that's what it means. Don't always trust D&D DS.... It's a game for a reason.
Dragon Seeker
QUOTE (Lady Otterwynnd @ Apr 14 2008, 01:55 AM) *
It's obviously turtle shaped, so why wouldn't it be aquatic? That's what the ORIGINAL legend says, so I would assume that's what it means. Don't always trust D&D DS.... It's a game for a reason.


Well yes, it is a game.

but i really dont think it could be aquatic, with its insane size, no evident gills and clearly no flippers or fins it just seems a bit odd to me that it would be aquatic doesnt it?
Orcseeker
I thought the creature possible, but then the story linked to it... it somehow made it seem false.
Dragon Seeker
Well there are plenty of story's linked to the creature, its exsistance and myths and legands from multiple cultures and you can find allot simply by searching for the beast on a search engine
Lady Otterwynnd
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 13 2008, 08:24 PM) *
Well yes, it is a game.

but i really dont think it could be aquatic, with its insane size, no evident gills and clearly no flippers or fins it just seems a bit odd to me that it would be aquatic doesnt it?

http://www.eurocbc.org/2067Leatherback_Bame_MWitt030-med.jpg
And yet the leatherback sea turtle is very large as well, and it can swim just fine. The blue whale is the largest mammal on Earth and lives in the ocean. And how do you know it doesn't have any of those features? No one's ever seen one, so I think we can assume we don't know what features it has.
zone
You cant really see anything right there - besides, the picture is too small and it just likes a big blunder of rocks tongue.gif
Dragon Seeker
QUOTE (Lady Otterwynnd @ Apr 15 2008, 03:00 AM) *
http://www.eurocbc.org/2067Leatherback_Bame_MWitt030-med.jpg
And yet the leatherback sea turtle is very large as well, and it can swim just fine. The blue whale is the largest mammal on Earth and lives in the ocean. And how do you know it doesn't have any of those features? No one's ever seen one, so I think we can assume we don't know what features it has.



You know i've not thought about that... i mean in full honesty the only images of it i've ever seen were the D&D images, and that could have been just some artists way of making a creature near immpossible to beat. So in reponse to this i say

Touche because i didnt think of that
Orcseeker
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 14 2008, 01:24 PM) *
Well yes, it is a game.

but i really dont think it could be aquatic, with its insane size, no evident gills and clearly no flippers or fins it just seems a bit odd to me that it would be aquatic doesnt it?

elephants can swim, though not aquatic, shows that this beast is capable of it also, in D&D they made it non-aquatic to fit the game obviously
Dragon Seeker
QUOTE (Orcseeker @ Apr 16 2008, 06:56 AM) *
elephants can swim, though not aquatic, shows that this beast is capable of it also, in D&D they made it non-aquatic to fit the game obviously


Ok, your right on that, D&D proably made it non-aquatic because it fit the purposes of the game. I still say possible fact
BigDaddy_GFS
QUOTE (WEREGIRL666 @ Apr 11 2008, 05:07 PM) *
Tarasque mean a dragon from France .........Legend has it that the creature inhabited the area of Nerluc in Provence, and devastated the landscape far and wide. The Tarasque was a sort of dragon with six short legs like a bear's, an ox-like body covered with a turtle shell, and a scaly tail that ended in a scorpion's sting. It had a lion's head.


This description sounds like a Glyptodont....

Glypto at Wiki

QUOTE
Glyptodon (Greek for "grooved or carved tooth") was a large, armored mammal, related to the armadillo, that lived during the Pleistocene Epoch. Flatter than a Volkswagen Beetle, but about the same general size and weight, the Glyptodon is believed to have been an herbivore, grazing on grasses and other plants found near rivers and small bodies of water.[citation needed] A large and heavy mammal, it could probably only have moved one or two miles per hour.

Its physical appearance superficially resembled the much earlier dinosaurian ankylosaurs, an example of the convergent evolution of unrelated lineages into similar forms.

Glyptodon are part of the placental group of mammals known as Xenarthra. This order of mammals includes anteaters, tree sloths, extinct ground sloths, and armadillos.

Glyptodon originated in South America and first appeared in the American Southwest after North and South America connected at the Isthmus of Panama, about 2.5 million years ago. They became extinct about 10,000 years ago. The native human population in their range is believed to have hunted them and used the shells of dead animals as shelters in inclement weather.[1][2]
Dragon Seeker
I dought it, it barley looks like it would be a threat, besides in all of the legands i've heard and looked up, the Tarrasque is a huge beast not a tiny thing
BigDaddy_GFS
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 19 2008, 02:47 AM) *
I dought it, it barley looks like it would be a threat, besides in all of the legands i've heard and looked up, the Tarrasque is a huge beast not a tiny thing


Yes, but myth-makers tend to exaggerate. The bones of a Glyptodont or Ankylosaur, if discovered by a superstitious layman, could be woven into a tale of a huge menacing beast. A Wolf/wolfhound hybrid, which is attributed to the 'Beast of Gevaudan' legend, was said to be bigger than a cow. In fact, it was large, but certainly not cow-sized.

Perhaps there is some truth in the Tarasque legend. But I don't know of a land creature, living or recently extinct, that could fit the bill.
The Maharaja
Has anyone actually seen the destination truth episode? In it the creature is described as being long and serpentine
all of this turtle talk is nonsence
zandel
So its another sea serpent-like creature that they speak of? interesting. * goes to do research*
Blind Atrocity
To me, it looks like either a rock... or something a giant might leave behind after a meal tore up its stomach. >.< However, this image could have falsely been labeled, too.
Dragon Seeker
QUOTE (Blind Atrocity @ Apr 19 2008, 04:51 AM) *
To me, it looks like either a rock... or something a giant might leave behind after a meal tore up its stomach. >.< However, this image could have falsely been labeled, too.

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Undeadskeptic
Are we debating about a cryptid or a character from a video game?
The Maharaja
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Apr 20 2008, 01:00 PM) *
Are we debating about a cryptid or a character from a video game?

Good question lets try to stick to the task at hand and focus on the cryptid
Undeadskeptic
We finally agree laugh.gif I believe this creature might exist, probably a large cetecan or seal species.
The Maharaja
You know i still have a problem with all those people living right in the middle of its hunting grounds
It just doesn,t fit
DieChecker
QUOTE (The Maharaja @ Apr 18 2008, 07:00 PM) *
Has anyone actually seen the destination truth episode? In it the creature is described as being long and serpentine
all of this turtle talk is nonsence

Are you talking about the one in Asia, or the French Tarasque. The French one looks clearly like some kind of uber-turtle. I posted a pic of it earlier in the thread of a real statue in the real village the legend came from.
Dragon Seeker
QUOTE (DieChecker @ Apr 20 2008, 05:44 PM) *
Are you talking about the one in Asia, or the French Tarasque. The French one looks clearly like some kind of uber-turtle. I posted a pic of it earlier in the thread of a real statue in the real village the legend came from.


Well then what is the one in Asia? so far all of the disscussion i've seen is about the French one (well relivant disscussion)
The Maharaja
Its definately the one in ASIA and not the french one
Lady Otterwynnd
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 20 2008, 11:51 AM) *
Well then what is the one in Asia? so far all of the disscussion i've seen is about the French one (well relivant disscussion)

I'm pretty sure the Asian one is more serpentine like on Destination Truth. It seems to be more along the lines of a giant fish. But, a rare, giant, softshell turtle has just been discovered in that area (?) in Vietnam, so this turtle could be the source of the Tarasque legends.
Dragon Seeker
QUOTE (Lady Otterwynnd @ Apr 20 2008, 09:53 PM) *
I'm pretty sure the Asian one is more serpentine like on Destination Truth. It seems to be more along the lines of a giant fish. But, a rare, giant, softshell turtle has just been discovered in that area (?) in Vietnam, so this turtle could be the source of the Tarasque legends.



Actually that would seem quite logical, seeing as allot of there legands say it is aquatic and the pic looks like a type of turtle, it might just be a bit over blown, however my vote stands Possible Fact
The Maharaja
Interesting My Lady, but the op refered to Destination Truth in the first post so its definately the serpintine asian creature
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