vampira_pandora
Apr 15 2008, 04:43 PM
A demon is considered to be a powerful, supernatural being that is generally malevolent (wishing or appearing to wish evil to others) in character. The word demon comes from the Greek word daimon, which means a divine or semi-divine power that determined a person's fate. Some believe demons are angels who have fallen from grace or have chosen to take the cross over to the dark side, so to speak.
Demons are evil, supernatural beings of intelligence, wit, and immense power. They have the power to invade our homes, attach themselves to objects, and inflict torture both mentally and emotionally by attacking or even possessing the human body.
Demons are usually portrayed as large, muscular, human-like creatures. They are usually thought to be red, winged, and even surrounded by fire. They can take on any form they want, but mostly commonly it is a half man, half animal form.
In many cases, demons are summoned by someone using a Ouija board, or tinkering with some form to magic, witchcraft,or demon worship that perhaps they shouldn't be tinkering with. They most likely don't know what they could be getting themselves into.
Demonic hauntings are commonly represented by a stench similar to rotting flesh or sulfuric acid. The air in the area will feel thick and the temperature will drastically change, typically becoming warmer, although intense coldness is sometimes present. Growling sounds seem to come from everywhere all at once. The sounds of manacing laughter or disembodies voices speaking in foreign tongues, usually Latin, can often be heard. The demon may make verbal threats or throw objects. They like to push, shove, hit, and scratch. They may cause nightmares, consistent bad luck, and overwhelming senses of hate, anger, and evil. A demon's main goal seems to be to break down a person's free will so they can possess them.
Demons have the ability to morph into any shape they want. They can change from a human form to an inhuman form before your very eyes. They are neither male nor female, but will change to whatever meets their need at the time. Demons are commonly seen as black masses standing in doorways or in the corner of the room.
Demon hauntings usually start in a subtle way. Faucets dripping, scratches in the walls, thumping sounds. These behaviors are typically the same behaviors displayed by a poltergiest, but more extreme. It's common for several entities to exist in one location with a strong evil presence seemingly controlling the others and not allowing them to cross over.
It is believed that demons hate humans and think them very lowly and stupid. Demons should never be challenged, unless you want a crash course on how weak you really are. Most demonic entities like a challenge and are incredibly conniving; they may have you believing they are good spirits or may appear to have gone away, only to confront you again at the least expected and most vulnerable moment.
Short of an exorcism, which is usually successful, some believe it may be possible to actually command a demon to leave. Be persistent, show no fear and tell it to get out. They will leave, although not necessarily right away, but keep trying. Also, it's been said that demons don't like to be ignored. If it can't get you to fear it, then the game is over. Like say they, ignore it and it will go away. It's worth a shot at least.
Something else that might help is smudging. To smudge your house, open the windows and light a bundle of dried sage. Sage is believed to clear away negative energy and spirits. Catch the ashes with a plate held underneath the bundle and walk around your home to cleanse it with the sage smoke. It is also said that sprinkling holy water throughout the house might work too.
Demons have lived for thousands of years and will be here long after we're gone. Although it's possible to get a demon to leave a place with the above mentioned methods, but they may not necessarily be destroyed. They may just find a new place to terrorize.
667-Neighbor of the Beast
Apr 15 2008, 05:07 PM
Interesting info. I, myself, am not sure if demons exist. I believe it might be possible, but I have never personally seen anything that convinces me that they exist.
Although, I have met and talked with a few demonologists. They have some pretty convincing stories, along with photpgraphic, video, and audio evidence to back it up. I have been priveliged to see and hear some of these, and they are definately enought to make your hair stand on end.
They are pretty tight with the evidence, and do not show it publically, as it is believed that talking about, of even possibly thinking about demons will bring attention to yourself from them. Of course, full belief in them is usually what supposedly opens yourself to them, and since I am of a skeptical mind with them, I was allowed to view the evidence. However, let me add to your posting with some of the info that the demonologists passed along to me.
First, they are NOT something to mess around with. What was stated above, about how they hate humans, is supposedly true. Quija boards, seances, even psychics can open doors that cannot be closed easily. They have one goal in their existance, and that is to ruin as many human lives as possible. They will lie, cheat, promise anything to get a person to give into them. Once someone has given in, they will ruin that persons life, and the life of anyone that is close to that person. They enjoy it, and exist solely for that purpose. They know what is going on inside your head. They know your fears, desires, dreams, and hopes, and will use these in any way possible to get what they want from you, then proceed to destroy your life in every way possible.
From what I was told, demons to not attack, or try to possess anyone that comes along and opens themselves up to them. They seem to pick and choose, possibly following someone around for years before acting.
When they do act, they do not act alone. When one gains "entrance" into a persons life, they bring others in with them.
Supposedly, they hate humans because we are free to roam the earth, which supposedly once belonged to them. They want the earth back, and will do anything to do so.
Exorcisms do not always work. Sometimes it takes many exorcisms before the demon will go away, or sometimes it takes many exorcisms because of multiple demons. Also, sometimes they do not work at all, and the person is unfortunately left to deal with it.
Exorcisms CANNOT be done by an ammature. They HAVE to be done by someone who knows exactly what they are doing. Anything less runs the risk of inviting more demons, allowing the demons to possess the exorcist or other people in the room, or even kill the person that is possessed.
Anyone who claims to know the name of a demon is probably lying. A demons name is needed for an exocism, so the demon will NEVER reveal it's name except under duress during the process of an exorcism.
But the most important thing that they told me, over and over again, is that these things are real, and are extraordinarily dangerous!! They are not to be messed with under any circumstances. IF you have something that they want, they will take you, your enire life, the lives of all your loved ones, freinds, anyone, and destroy them in the worst ways possible. They are pure evil, and hate everything about humanity.
Again, this is info that was passed to me. Whether I beleive it all or not, I'm still not sure. But, I'm not going to take any chances and try to stick to the rules.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Apr 15 2008, 05:15 PM
Fiction.
bogcreeper
Apr 15 2008, 05:18 PM
I have seen some things that go bump in the night, but as for demons, the only ones that I know of are people themselves. SICK TWISTED MALICIOUS SOON TO BE CANNABILS ACCORDING TO TED TURNER DEMONS!!! That's good cannabalistic demons.
Papaver
Apr 15 2008, 05:20 PM
Yes, fiction. A human construct. They have been invented for many reasons I think. They can be used as a tool to instill fear, they can be used to represent human concerns in a metaphorical way and they can be used in literature to balance forces for good. They can also be used by primitive people to try to make sense of ilness and also insanity. I'm sure there are other reasons for their invention too.
I am certain that they do not exist outside of the mind of man.
Pelican_Eel
Apr 15 2008, 05:28 PM
QUOTE
they do not exist outside of the mind of man.
which doesn't mean they are less dangerous, in my opinion
Papaver
Apr 15 2008, 05:33 PM
I'm sure that they can be dangerous if they contribute to insanity or publicly odd behaviour.
667-Neighbor of the Beast
Apr 15 2008, 05:35 PM
QUOTE (justejust @ Apr 15 2008, 01:28 PM)

which doesn't mean they are less dangerous, in my opinion
I agree on this completely. One of the main facts that keeps me very skeptical abou them, is that they only possess people who believe in them.
If they are only man made, and exist in the minds of people, then they are just as dangerous. People who believe in them can do horrible things, and blame it on a demon. Of course, luckily, this does not prevent them from being prosecuted according to the law. But, it does give people a scapegoat in their own minds to try and get away with these things.
Whether real or not, the way they affect the minds of people is scary.
BigDaddy_GFS
Apr 15 2008, 09:46 PM
I couldn't say, Raven Adams, whether demons exist or not. But I'm glad to see that you did a bit of research on the subject. Demonology is another of my guilty pleasures/hobbies.
Yorgmiester
Apr 15 2008, 10:39 PM
I've seen one.Not exactly a fun experience
NoahJaymes
Apr 15 2008, 11:03 PM
Fiction
zone
Apr 15 2008, 11:08 PM
seriously i dont really think demons are on "earth", but in the bible they do exsist...
interesting info!
draconic chronicler
Apr 15 2008, 11:29 PM
QUOTE (zone @ Apr 15 2008, 06:08 PM)

seriously i dont really think demons are on "earth", but in the bible they do exsist...
interesting info!
Dragons are in the Bible too, though for some reason you seem to give the idea of demons more merit, which is odd since far more cultures believe in dragons.
Incorrigible1
Apr 15 2008, 11:30 PM
QUOTE (draconic chronicler @ Apr 15 2008, 06:29 PM)

Dragons are in the Bible too, though for some reason you seem to give the idea of demons more merit, which is odd since far more cultures believe in dragons.
You are a magnificent boor.
Syntax
Apr 15 2008, 11:39 PM
QUOTE (Raven Adams @ Apr 16 2008, 02:43 AM)

A demon is considered to be a powerful, supernatural being that is generally malevolent (wishing or appearing to wish evil to others) in character. The word demon comes from the Greek word daimon, which means a divine or semi-divine power that determined a person's fate. Some believe demons are angels who have fallen from grace or have chosen to take the cross over to the dark side, so to speak.
Demons are evil, supernatural beings of intelligence, wit, and immense power. They have the power to invade our homes, attach themselves to objects, and inflict torture both mentally and emotionally by attacking or even possessing the human body.
Quite true.
The Daimon was also the formation of the conscience.
In fact, famously Plato had a personal Diamon that instructed him...
the diamon was considered the ethereal link between man and the Gods, primarily because the gods could not interact with humanity directly. Daimons of course are not evil or good...they were distinctly categorised as evil after the formation of the Catholic church under Charlemagne, who famously secured power by aligning himself with the Pope (who was of HIS choosing) and making the adoption of catholicism compulsory. Anything considered not part of the doctrine (including Daimons) was regarded as Heresy.
Here we can clearly see in history, that the categorisation of 'Demons' as evil was made by the catholic church in the 9th century AD.
That is not saying that an invisible force does not have the ability to conduct itself immorally, it may very well be that our morals mean very little to an entity not of this earth.
Dragon Seeker
Apr 16 2008, 04:20 AM
QUOTE (667-Neighbor of the Beast @ Apr 15 2008, 06:07 PM)

Interesting info. I, myself, am not sure if demons exist. I believe it might be possible, but I have never personally seen anything that convinces me that they exist.
Although, I have met and talked with a few demonologists. They have some pretty convincing stories, along with photpgraphic, video, and audio evidence to back it up. I have been priveliged to see and hear some of these, and they are definately enought to make your hair stand on end.
They are pretty tight with the evidence, and do not show it publically, as it is believed that talking about, of even possibly thinking about demons will bring attention to yourself from them. Of course, full belief in them is usually what supposedly opens yourself to them, and since I am of a skeptical mind with them, I was allowed to view the evidence. However, let me add to your posting with some of the info that the demonologists passed along to me.
First, they are NOT something to mess around with. What was stated above, about how they hate humans, is supposedly true. Quija boards, seances, even psychics can open doors that cannot be closed easily. They have one goal in their existance, and that is to ruin as many human lives as possible. They will lie, cheat, promise anything to get a person to give into them. Once someone has given in, they will ruin that persons life, and the life of anyone that is close to that person. They enjoy it, and exist solely for that purpose. They know what is going on inside your head. They know your fears, desires, dreams, and hopes, and will use these in any way possible to get what they want from you, then proceed to destroy your life in every way possible.
From what I was told, demons to not attack, or try to possess anyone that comes along and opens themselves up to them. They seem to pick and choose, possibly following someone around for years before acting.
When they do act, they do not act alone. When one gains "entrance" into a persons life, they bring others in with them.
Supposedly, they hate humans because we are free to roam the earth, which supposedly once belonged to them. They want the earth back, and will do anything to do so.
Exorcisms do not always work. Sometimes it takes many exorcisms before the demon will go away, or sometimes it takes many exorcisms because of multiple demons. Also, sometimes they do not work at all, and the person is unfortunately left to deal with it.
Exorcisms CANNOT be done by an ammature. They HAVE to be done by someone who knows exactly what they are doing. Anything less runs the risk of inviting more demons, allowing the demons to possess the exorcist or other people in the room, or even kill the person that is possessed.
Anyone who claims to know the name of a demon is probably lying. A demons name is needed for an exocism, so the demon will NEVER reveal it's name except under duress during the process of an exorcism.
But the most important thing that they told me, over and over again, is that these things are real, and are extraordinarily dangerous!! They are not to be messed with under any circumstances. IF you have something that they want, they will take you, your enire life, the lives of all your loved ones, freinds, anyone, and destroy them in the worst ways possible. They are pure evil, and hate everything about humanity.
Again, this is info that was passed to me. Whether I beleive it all or not, I'm still not sure. But, I'm not going to take any chances and try to stick to the rules.
Oh my god we agree on something
Demons do exsist and are a very powerful. How do I know that demons exsist? 1) 2 times have they attempted to take my mind, both have failed and
2) well this isnt the place to speak of him...
If you want to know more Raven Adams pm me and i'll tell you about my encounters
Dragon Seeker
Apr 16 2008, 04:22 AM
QUOTE (Yorgmiester @ Apr 15 2008, 11:39 PM)

I've seen one.Not exactly a fun experience

You've seen one? interseting.... would you care to tell me when and or where it was? im very interested in demonic sightings...
NoahJaymes
Apr 16 2008, 04:31 AM
I see a demon everytime I look in the mirror...well, my inner-demons I guess
theSOURCE
Apr 16 2008, 04:38 AM
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 15 2008, 10:22 PM)

You've seen one? interseting.... would you care to tell me when and or where it was? im very interested in demonic sightings...
Seeing my ex is always a demonic experience. Not only does she want to rob me of my soul but my worldly possessions as well.
Rosewin
Apr 16 2008, 05:13 AM
There was a demon that a few of the disciples could not cast out. Jesus told them that that kind could only be driven out by prayer.
A good list BTW Raven though. To add to it some also believe in Spiritual Mapping. That is being able to create maps of neighborhoods, cities, even regions, of what particular demons have control there and with that information those who are spiritual warriors are able to destroy the strongholds systematically.
Yorgmiester
Apr 16 2008, 05:27 AM
I think I've talked about this somewhere else on these forums but can't remember where
Oh well I'll tell it again...
I was about 6 or 7 i think,we were living in an apartment and i shared a room with my brother.His bed was on one side of the room near the window,and mine was toward the other side near the door.One side was facing the wall,with about 3 feet or so in between to make room for a nightstand.I always slept facing the wall.Also i always slept with the sheets over my head cuz i was afraid of the dark.Now bare in mind these sheets were extremely thin,thin enough to almost see through.That'll be important later.
Kk so one nite i was lying there trying to fall asleep.Idk how long it had been since i got in bed,but i was restless and usually had trouble sleeping(i still do

).So yea i was just laying there,under the sheets.So I decide to lift up the sheets for some reason that i can't remember now and there sitting/standing next to my bed is this thing.It looked like some sort of ape,humanoid yet hairy,with a square-ish snout.That's the best way i can describe it.It was just sitting there with it's chin on it's chest looking down,so the eyes were in shadow.
So yea it scares the living day-lights out of me,not just thee living-daylights but the dead day-lights and the artificial ones as well(i was frickin terrified lol).So i yank the sheets back over my head.Before i can even think about it i day a prayer,something along the lines of 'Jesus help me'.As soon as i said those words i see the silhouette of the 'thing' move toward the front of the bed,then disappear.Of course in my childish way i figured it had gone back under the bed from whence it and all monsters came,so i yelled for mom.And the rest is boring
Why an ape???Because at the time I had a HUGE phobia of hairy humanoids.Gorillas,chimps,BF,u name it,it scared me witless.Demons can change their appearance to something they know will frighten you.
Alot of ppl I've told have said it was a dream,and i have considered it,but it was too real.I was wide awake and i can remember it vividly.I could draw the scene out of memory.Also there is the fact that all the dreams I've ever had have been pointless meanderings through fantastical worlds of upside-down gravity,giant clay pineapples,and bomber planes dropping un-armed bombs on McDonalds.I've never had a realistic or meaningful dream in my life.
So yea that's my demon encounter
667-Neighbor of the Beast
Apr 16 2008, 01:43 PM
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 16 2008, 12:20 AM)

Oh my god we agree on something
Demons do exsist and are a very powerful. How do I know that demons exsist? 1) 2 times have they attempted to take my mind, both have failed and
2) well this isnt the place to speak of him...
If you want to know more Raven Adams pm me and i'll tell you about my encounters
Why should you be so suprised that we agree on something?? Try to understand, it is not your beliefs, nor your opinions that I hold in contempt. It is your obnoxious presentation of them. If you were to simply relax a little, and be willing to talk about things in an adult manner, everyone here would have not problem discussing things with you, including myself. You have the right to present your beleifs and opinions, but so does everyone else. Calling them names and insulting them for not agreeing with you is not going to make people want to listen to you.
As for you demon esperience, I would most definately like to hear more.
667-Neighbor of the Beast
Apr 16 2008, 01:46 PM
QUOTE (draconic chronicler @ Apr 15 2008, 07:29 PM)

Dragons are in the Bible too, though for some reason you seem to give the idea of demons more merit, which is odd since far more cultures believe in dragons.
This is not a thread about dragons. Do not try to turn it into a thread about dragons. Please stick to the topic.
designer
Apr 16 2008, 03:22 PM
Fact.
Dragon Seeker
Apr 16 2008, 11:41 PM
QUOTE (Yorgmiester @ Apr 16 2008, 06:27 AM)

I think I've talked about this somewhere else on these forums but can't remember where
Oh well I'll tell it again...
I was about 6 or 7 i think,we were living in an apartment and i shared a room with my brother.His bed was on one side of the room near the window,and mine was toward the other side near the door.One side was facing the wall,with about 3 feet or so in between to make room for a nightstand.I always slept facing the wall.Also i always slept with the sheets over my head cuz i was afraid of the dark.Now bare in mind these sheets were extremely thin,thin enough to almost see through.That'll be important later.
Kk so one nite i was lying there trying to fall asleep.Idk how long it had been since i got in bed,but i was restless and usually had trouble sleeping(i still do

).So yea i was just laying there,under the sheets.So I decide to lift up the sheets for some reason that i can't remember now and there sitting/standing next to my bed is this thing.It looked like some sort of ape,humanoid yet hairy,with a square-ish snout.That's the best way i can describe it.It was just sitting there with it's chin on it's chest looking down,so the eyes were in shadow.
So yea it scares the living day-lights out of me,not just thee living-daylights but the dead day-lights and the artificial ones as well(i was frickin terrified lol).So i yank the sheets back over my head.Before i can even think about it i day a prayer,something along the lines of 'Jesus help me'.As soon as i said those words i see the silhouette of the 'thing' move toward the front of the bed,then disappear.Of course in my childish way i figured it had gone back under the bed from whence it and all monsters came,so i yelled for mom.And the rest is boring
Why an ape???Because at the time I had a HUGE phobia of hairy humanoids.Gorillas,chimps,BF,u name it,it scared me witless.Demons can change their appearance to something they know will frighten you.
Alot of ppl I've told have said it was a dream,and i have considered it,but it was too real.I was wide awake and i can remember it vividly.I could draw the scene out of memory.Also there is the fact that all the dreams I've ever had have been pointless meanderings through fantastical worlds of upside-down gravity,giant clay pineapples,and bomber planes dropping un-armed bombs on McDonalds.I've never had a realistic or meaningful dream in my life.
So yea that's my demon encounter

Very interesting, to say the least and no i'm not about to say "oh it was just a nightmare" because often nightmares are forgotten within the next day and if you can still remember it, perhaps it was a demonic encouter, i've had 2 attempts at my mind by the hands of demons.
and btw did the demon give you a name? and if so (if you do not believe in the whole typing its name calls it to you deal) please PM me what it was or post it because i have a bit of a "crusade" you could say agaist demons (i'd rather get rid of them thank you, having an attempted possesion 2 times is
NOT fun)
QUOTE (667-Neighbor of the Beast @ Apr 16 2008, 02:46 PM)

This is not a thread about dragons. Do not try to turn it into a thread about dragons. Please stick to the topic.
sorry DC but he's right this thread is to speak of demons, not dragons
Yorgmiester
Apr 17 2008, 02:35 AM
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 16 2008, 11:41 PM)

Very interesting, to say the least and no i'm not about to say "oh it was just a nightmare" because often nightmares are forgotten within the next day and if you can still remember it, perhaps it was a demonic encouter, i've had 2 attempts at my mind by the hands of demons.
and btw did the demon give you a name? and if so (if you do not believe in the whole typing its name calls it to you deal) please PM me what it was or post it because i have a bit of a "crusade" you could say agaist demons (i'd rather get rid of them thank you, having an attempted possesion 2 times is NOT fun)
sorry DC but he's right this thread is to speak of demons, not dragons
Nope it didn't talk srry;)
Even if it had told me it's name,i wouldn't mind typing it.Or saying it.
Also DC please don't mention dragons.PLZ.And everyone else,don't reply if he does.
Dariune99
Apr 17 2008, 02:35 PM
Firstly Raven thanks for the info.

i didnt know half of that.
My opinion is that demons are little more than early man needing someone to blame and an evil creature to explain some of the evil things that we do.
So i think, other than our own personal demons, that they are not real.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Apr 17 2008, 05:46 PM
QUOTE (draconic chronicler @ Apr 15 2008, 06:29 PM)

Dragons are in the Bible too, though for some reason you seem to give the idea of demons more merit, which is odd since far more cultures believe in dragons.
Stop changing every topic to dragons. GOOD GRIEF.
Dariune99
Apr 17 2008, 10:47 PM
I know little about demons in mythology but im pretty sure that every culture have their own demons. Im sure someone will come along and correct/expand my words but the Chinese i believe have animal demons in mythology while ours seem to based on the Christian devil. Anyone able to elaborate on that?
Dragon Seeker
Apr 18 2008, 03:40 AM
QUOTE (Yorgmiester @ Apr 17 2008, 02:35 AM)

Nope it didn't talk srry;)
Even if it had told me it's name,i wouldn't mind typing it.Or saying it.
Also DC please don't mention dragons.PLZ.And everyone else,don't reply if he does.
Ok well then its no problem i'd just rather eliminate the one demon who survived the encounter with Berserkros (all i give is his name no more and no less) and i've said his name (his being the demons) name somewhere else but i dont recall where, so im only going to do this one more time... his name was Belefel, he suvived his encounter with Berserkros when he tryed to posses me and i want to get rid of him so that he does not try again, because having an attempt on your mind isnt the prettiest thing to have happen to you, and its really hard on the rest of the body, it starts wereing down your immune sytem, because i distinctly recall the morining after "He" tryed to possess me, i felt very sick, when i stood up it felt like i was going to fall down at any moment, i had an insane fever (i think it was over 190 degrees) and every time i looked at food it felt like i was going to puke.
and i dont know if i've said it here or not WRONG FORUM!! Raven next time your going to post something like this, put it in the
Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs section, at least i think it should go there seeing as all of the talk of Demons and Demonic things are on that forum
and on the final note Like i said DC this is to speak of Demons, not Dragons so dont turn it into a disscussion about them, save that for the Dragon topics
Lady Otterwynnd
Apr 18 2008, 03:47 AM
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 17 2008, 08:40 PM)

Ok well then its no problem i'd just rather eliminate the one demon who survived the encounter with Berserkros (all i give is his name no more and no less) and i've said his name (his being the demons) name somewhere else but i dont recall where, so im only going to do this one more time... his name was Belefel, he suvived his encounter with Berserkros when he tryed to posses me and i want to get rid of him so that he does not try again, because having an attempt on your mind isnt the prettiest thing to have happen to you, and its really hard on the rest of the body, it starts wereing down your immune sytem, because i distinctly recall the morining after "He" tryed to possess me, i felt very sick, when i stood up it felt like i was going to fall down at any moment, i had an insane fever (i think it was over 190 degrees) and every time i looked at food it felt like i was going to puke.
and i dont know if i've said it here or not WRONG FORUM!! Raven next time your going to post something like this, put it in the
Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs section, at least i think it should go there seeing as all of the talk of Demons and Demonic things are on that forum
and on the final note Like i said DC this is to speak of Demons, not Dragons so dont turn it into a disscussion about them, save that for the Dragon topics
If you had a fever of over 110 degrees your brain would fry from the inside out, so I doubt you had a 190 degree fever. Perhaps if your fever was as high as 107 degrees you were simply hallucinating and this demon was just a figment of your imagination. Hallucinations are quite real to the person experiencing them, so it's a valid argument I suppose. Demons are very easy to repel though. If you refuse to have any contact with demons, even if they contact you, then they'll eventually get bored and stalk easier prey. You can also purify your living area, body, and possessions regularly and burn sweet sage to keep demons out of your life for good. There's in incredibly low likelihood of demons being able to even get in your house if you take precautions such as these. I don't really believe in demons 100% however. I think most of them are just figments of people's imaginations. Hope this helps, however.
Dragon Seeker
Apr 18 2008, 01:29 PM
QUOTE (Lady Otterwynnd @ Apr 18 2008, 04:47 AM)

If you had a fever of over 110 degrees your brain would fry from the inside out, so I doubt you had a 190 degree fever. Perhaps if your fever was as high as 107 degrees you were simply hallucinating and this demon was just a figment of your imagination. Hallucinations are quite real to the person experiencing them, so it's a valid argument I suppose. Demons are very easy to repel though. If you refuse to have any contact with demons, even if they contact you, then they'll eventually get bored and stalk easier prey. You can also purify your living area, body, and possessions regularly and burn sweet sage to keep demons out of your life for good. There's in incredibly low likelihood of demons being able to even get in your house if you take precautions such as these. I don't really believe in demons 100% however. I think most of them are just figments of people's imaginations. Hope this helps, however.
Ok, maybe i was just hallucinating but i could damned near swear it felt real, and i proably did have a fever somewhere around 107, or even 100 and maybe i was hallucinating that aswell... but i can gurantee one thing is not hallucination that one thing go's by the name of Berserkros
667-Neighbor of the Beast
Apr 18 2008, 02:46 PM
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 17 2008, 11:40 PM)

and i dont know if i've said it here or not WRONG FORUM!! Raven next time your going to post something like this, put it in the
Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs section, at least i think it should go there seeing as all of the talk of Demons and Demonic things are on that forum
Actually, it can very easily fit into the crypto thread. Crypto's, in short, are creature that might/might not exist, but there is no proof either way. Demons fit into that category. Now, their place in religion, should be saved for the spirituality forum, but their existance, origins, and possible explanations fits weill into this category.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Apr 18 2008, 03:57 PM
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 17 2008, 10:40 PM)

Ok well then its no problem i'd just rather eliminate the one demon who survived the encounter with Berserkros (all i give is his name no more and no less) and i've said his name (his being the demons) name somewhere else but i dont recall where, so im only going to do this one more time... his name was Belefel, he suvived his encounter with Berserkros when he tryed to posses me and i want to get rid of him so that he does not try again, because having an attempt on your mind isnt the prettiest thing to have happen to you, and its really hard on the rest of the body, it starts wereing down your immune sytem, because i distinctly recall the morining after "He" tryed to possess me, i felt very sick, when i stood up it felt like i was going to fall down at any moment,
i had an insane fever (i think it was over 190 degrees) and every time i looked at food it felt like i was going to puke.
and i dont know if i've said it here or not WRONG FORUM!! Raven next time your going to post something like this, put it in the
Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs section, at least i think it should go there seeing as all of the talk of Demons and Demonic things are on that forum
and on the final note Like i said DC this is to speak of Demons, not Dragons so dont turn it into a disscussion about them, save that for the Dragon topics
Think before you post fantasy. Good grief.
JoeyBombs
Apr 18 2008, 04:03 PM
Demons are certainly Real!
Fact!
When there is a murder, rape - or any savage act within humanity
I consider this to be the work of demons
They corrupt our minds and leads us to do things that are simply unthinkable to a normal human being
I don't make this point as an excuse for the evil deeds man does - I truly believe that there is a darkness at work sabotaging the human race for a purpose unknown
Call these forces what you will...
But Demons seems like a pretty good name to me
Dragon Seeker
Apr 18 2008, 10:25 PM
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Apr 18 2008, 04:57 PM)

Think before you post fantasy. Good grief.
Ok well then did you read my last post? (and incase you didnt i quoted it for you)
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 18 2008, 02:29 PM)

Ok, maybe i was just hallucinating but i could damned near swear it felt real, and i proably did have a fever somewhere around 107, or even 100 and maybe i was hallucinating that aswell... but i can gurantee one thing is not hallucination that one thing go's by the name of Berserkros
I admit i could have been hallucinating but i still say it that the "hallucanation" felt damned real to me
Dragon Seeker
Apr 18 2008, 10:28 PM
QUOTE (JoeyBombs @ Apr 18 2008, 05:03 PM)

Demons are certainly Real!
Fact!
When there is a murder, rape - or any savage act within humanity
I consider this to be the work of demons
They corrupt our minds and leads us to do things that are simply unthinkable to a normal human being
I don't make this point as an excuse for the evil deeds man does - I truly believe that there is a darkness at work sabotaging the human race for a purpose unknown
Call these forces what you will...
But Demons seems like a pretty good name to me
And yet what of those who are of sane mind when they commit such an act do you still believe it to be the work of demons?
zandel
Apr 19 2008, 01:35 AM
Demons. The intersting thing about demons is that they are considered to be so much stronger and greater than humans. The thing about that, is fear. These demons we hear of, read of, is a means of fear. I re read a book not too long ago called the Wizard's First Rule by Terry Goodkind. In it he states that "People are stupid. They will believe anything because they either want it to be true or are afraid it is." In this case, people fear that demons can control them, they fear that demons can possibly do far more damage. Now i'm not discrediting demons in any way shape or form. I know not if they exist. But I think people give demons their power. By fearing this, in peoples minds demons ARE stronger and faster and larger and such. That could not be the case at all. a demon is a trickster, that uses peoples concepts of their greatness to cause that much more fear. See, when a person believes something so much, in this case the demons strength, it makes that thing true. at least to the person. There have been scientific reports of a person's body organs becoming "cooked" when the outside is left unhindered. Now, this is caused by the body believing SO much that its being burned, that burnlike damage actually occurs. Another reaction like this is sympathetic pregnancy or even non pregnant people believing so much that they are pregnant, their body starts to show signs of pregnancy, like lactating and increased hunger and such. It is all in the mind of a person who wants to believe SO much that this is real, or fear it so much they believe it is real, that these things occur. Including the strength and size and such of demons. At least that's my belief.
uosha1
Apr 19 2008, 05:22 AM
QUOTE (Raven Adams @ Apr 15 2008, 05:43 PM)

A demon is considered to be a powerful, supernatural being that is generally malevolent (wishing or appearing to wish evil to others) in character. The word demon comes from the Greek word daimon, which means a divine or semi-divine power that determined a person's fate. Some believe demons are angels who have fallen from grace or have chosen to take the cross over to the dark side, so to speak.
Demons are evil, supernatural beings of intelligence, wit, and immense power. They have the power to invade our homes, attach themselves to objects, and inflict torture both mentally and emotionally by attacking or even possessing the human body.
Demons are usually portrayed as large, muscular, human-like creatures. They are usually thought to be red, winged, and even surrounded by fire. They can take on any form they want, but mostly commonly it is a half man, half animal form.
In many cases, demons are summoned by someone using a Ouija board, or tinkering with some form to magic, witchcraft,or demon worship that perhaps they shouldn't be tinkering with. They most likely don't know what they could be getting themselves into.
Demonic hauntings are commonly represented by a stench similar to rotting flesh or sulfuric acid. The air in the area will feel thick and the temperature will drastically change, typically becoming warmer, although intense coldness is sometimes present. Growling sounds seem to come from everywhere all at once. The sounds of manacing laughter or disembodies voices speaking in foreign tongues, usually Latin, can often be heard. The demon may make verbal threats or throw objects. They like to push, shove, hit, and scratch. They may cause nightmares, consistent bad luck, and overwhelming senses of hate, anger, and evil. A demon's main goal seems to be to break down a person's free will so they can possess them.
Demons have the ability to morph into any shape they want. They can change from a human form to an inhuman form before your very eyes. They are neither male nor female, but will change to whatever meets their need at the time. Demons are commonly seen as black masses standing in doorways or in the corner of the room.
Demon hauntings usually start in a subtle way. Faucets dripping, scratches in the walls, thumping sounds. These behaviors are typically the same behaviors displayed by a poltergiest, but more extreme. It's common for several entities to exist in one location with a strong evil presence seemingly controlling the others and not allowing them to cross over.
It is believed that demons hate humans and think them very lowly and stupid. Demons should never be challenged, unless you want a crash course on how weak you really are. Most demonic entities like a challenge and are incredibly conniving; they may have you believing they are good spirits or may appear to have gone away, only to confront you again at the least expected and most vulnerable moment.
Short of an exorcism, which is usually successful, some believe it may be possible to actually command a demon to leave. Be persistent, show no fear and tell it to get out. They will leave, although not necessarily right away, but keep trying. Also, it's been said that demons don't like to be ignored. If it can't get you to fear it, then the game is over. Like say they, ignore it and it will go away. It's worth a shot at least.
Something else that might help is smudging. To smudge your house, open the windows and light a bundle of dried sage. Sage is believed to clear away negative energy and spirits. Catch the ashes with a plate held underneath the bundle and walk around your home to cleanse it with the sage smoke. It is also said that sprinkling holy water throughout the house might work too.
Demons have lived for thousands of years and will be here long after we're gone. Although it's possible to get a demon to leave a place with the above mentioned methods, but they may not necessarily be destroyed. They may just find a new place to terrorize.
why would this topic ask if demons exist or not, of course they exist.
LadyHay
Apr 19 2008, 09:11 AM
QUOTE (Raven Adams @ Apr 15 2008, 09:43 AM)

A demon is considered to be a powerful, supernatural being that is generally malevolent (wishing or appearing to wish evil to others) in character. The word demon comes from the Greek word daimon, which means a divine or semi-divine power that determined a person's fate. Some believe demons are angels who have fallen from grace or have chosen to take the cross over to the dark side, so to speak.
---SNIP---
When quoting you really should cite your source. Many of these people thought that you wrote this, Raven.
Source:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Demon-Hauntings-...s&id=856223
LadyHay
Apr 19 2008, 09:12 AM
QUOTE (uosha1 @ Apr 18 2008, 10:22 PM)

why would this topic ask if demons exist or not, of course they exist.
...in your opinion
Dragon Seeker
Apr 20 2008, 04:09 AM
QUOTE (LadyHay @ Apr 19 2008, 10:12 AM)

...in your opinion
She is right, Now i also think that demons exsist simply because i could have sworn i've had encounters but it is a matter of oppion, and raven simply wants to know if there are any others that share his, and that is that demons do exsist and its clear there are some who do, and some who do not
Dragon Seeker
Apr 20 2008, 04:11 AM
QUOTE (LadyHay @ Apr 19 2008, 10:11 AM)

When quoting you really should cite your source. Many of these people thought that you wrote this, Raven.
Source:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Demon-Hauntings-...s&id=856223She's right, now unless you actually wrote all of the information on that site (i do so dout it) you should name your source, otherwise it is called "Plagerism" and is very illegal
jedsterg
Apr 20 2008, 06:59 PM
I believe that demons exist. Im a christian and i have no reason to be afraid of them as long as i dont open the door for them to do anything to me. I dont want to start a conversation about dragons but the bible never directly says "dragons exist" it simply refers to satan(and some demons) as a dragon. the only time dragons "appear" in the bible is in revelation but again it is satan or the beast or one of his minions. We dont know what demons look like and like some people say they can shape shift so who are we to say they dont look like or arent dragons?
I have seen alot of wierd things(and heard of even wierder things) but i dont think i have seen a demon. in my opinion ghosts,poltergeists,demons are pretty much the same thing. When i was younger and we were living in this house which definetly was haunted(i can tell you some stories later if you want, its actualy realy creepy now that i think about it) and one late night i went to the toilet and i glimpsed out the window for a second and saw a black human shaped thing standing there, when i looked back it was gone. it kind of reminded me of wesley snipes from BLADE

. i think it was just my imagination even though it seemed like i realy saw something. a few months ago i was sitting by the computer one late night and i look at the bottom of the stairs and see a black figure, it made me jump but it was gone strait away. i strongly believe it was just my eyes messing with me, you see lots of strange things when its dark and your eyes are tired
Dragon Seeker
Apr 20 2008, 07:03 PM
QUOTE (jedsterg @ Apr 20 2008, 06:59 PM)

I believe that demons exist. Im a christian and i have no reason to be afraid of them as long as i dont open the door for them to do anything to me. I dont want to start a conversation about dragons but the bible never directly says "dragons exist" it simply refers to satan(and some demons) as a dragon. the only time dragons "appear" in the bible is in revelation but again it is satan or the beast or one of his minions. We dont know what demons look like and like some people say they can shape shift so who are we to say they dont look like or arent dragons?
I have seen alot of wierd things(and heard of even wierder things) but i dont think i have seen a demon. in my opinion ghosts,poltergeists,demons are pretty much the same thing. When i was younger and we were living in this house which definetly was haunted(i can tell you some stories later if you want, its actualy realy creepy now that i think about it) and one late night i went to the toilet and i glimpsed out the window for a second and saw a black human shaped thing standing there, when i looked back it was gone. it kind of reminded me of wesley snipes from BLADE

. i think it was just my imagination even though it seemed like i realy saw something. a few months ago i was sitting by the computer one late night and i look at the bottom of the stairs and see a black figure, it made me jump but it was gone strait away. i strongly believe it was just my eyes messing with me, you see lots of strange things when its dark and your eyes are tired

O thank god there is someone who seems to know what they are speaking of when they are refering to the bible and dragons, also is Satan a devil not a demon? or are they the same thing now?
Elite
Apr 20 2008, 07:15 PM
i dont believe in demons in sense of the christian idea of them but i do believe there are malicious spirits which are basically demons
jedsterg
Apr 20 2008, 08:35 PM
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 20 2008, 07:03 PM)

O thank god there is someone who seems to know what they are speaking of when they are refering to the bible and dragons, also is Satan a devil not a demon? or are they the same thing now?
I dont realy know, i assume the "devil" is just another name for him, i guess he could be considered a demon or like some people say a fallen angel. i dont realy know.
Dragon Seeker
Apr 20 2008, 11:19 PM
QUOTE (jedsterg @ Apr 20 2008, 08:35 PM)

I dont realy know, i assume the "devil" is just another name for him, i guess he could be considered a demon or like some people say a fallen angel. i dont realy know.
Well yes but in the spirituallity, religion and beliefs section they claim that demons and devils are differnt which was really my question (as in are they different or the same thing)
Lady Otterwynnd
Apr 21 2008, 02:02 AM
QUOTE (Dragon Seeker @ Apr 20 2008, 04:19 PM)

Well yes but in the spirituallity, religion and beliefs section they claim that demons and devils are differnt which was really my question (as in are they different or the same thing)
Devils and demons are essentially the same thing. They're just two different terms, devil being the more Abrahamic-religious one. But, some see Satan as merely being an angel whose job it is to tempt humanity. The serpent in the Garden of Eden is never referred to as being Satan, and is most likely God tempting Adam and Eve. Satan isn't actually "evil" or "bad", he's just doing his job, in my opinion.
Dragon Seeker
Apr 21 2008, 02:07 AM
QUOTE (Lady Otterwynnd @ Apr 21 2008, 03:02 AM)

Devils and demons are essentially the same thing. They're just two different terms, devil being the more Abrahamic-religious one. But, some see Satan as merely being an angel whose job it is to tempt humanity. The serpent in the Garden of Eden is never referred to as being Satan, and is most likely God tempting Adam and Eve. Satan isn't actually "evil" or "bad", he's just doing his job, in my opinion.
Ok thanks for that bit of info on them, and your opinion is noted, and i can see how you see that too, however from what i've heard about him he is indeed an evil being
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