Mac Tonnies: Assuming that UFOs represent extraterrestrial visitors (whether humanoid aliens in spacecraft or something stranger), there's no denying the secretive way in which the phenomenon has unfolded since the dawn of the "modern" UFO era in 1947. Strident debunkers have seized on the "ufonauts'" seeming desire to remain unseen as evidence that they don't exist--and maintain that studying evidence that might suggest the contrary can only be a waste of resources. Although I think the debunking argument is steeped in anthropocentric baggage, it's a fair enough question, at least in principle: Why would aliens go to the trouble of crossing interstellar distances if they possessed no interest in revealing themselves? There are several possible answers, none of them particularly comforting. 1.) We're being observed as part of some long-term anthropological study. In this scenario, occasional run-ins with UFOs and their occupants are purely accidental. The aliens rely on a screen of plausible deniability, lurking where least expected in order to further their scientific aims and taking considerable effort to leave the human population unsuspecting. 2.) We're being prepared, however patiently, for contact at some later time. Maybe the aliens are engaged in a psychosocial campaign designed to inoculate us to the presence of "others," thus ensuring we make for interesting company when we're eventually deemed ready for open dialogue. 3.) On the other hand, perhaps we're being harvested like so many unsuspecting cattle. Much of the "abduction" literature is concerned with the alleged taking of reproductive material and the creation of human-alien "hybrid" offspring.

Author David Jacobs, for one, sees a distinctly malevolent agenda afoot. In his book "The Threat," he describes what amounts to an impending takeover by aliens who've been stealthily acclimating themselves to our planet. In my opinion, Jacobs' perspective is severely limited; nevertheless, it provides an engagingly paranoid synthesis that deserves attention if only to be intelligently refuted.

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I believe in extra-terrestrial intelligence. And I believe that there are likely certain species that have technology sophisticated enough to travel between worlds and colonize other worlds. But the universe is way, way vast. And I truly doubt that any "advanced race" (benign or malevolent) would waste their time with us. We've got nothing to offer, one way or the other.

I like Star Trek. The Vulcanians do not intrude into human affairs until humanity proves that it will not destroy itself, and then, humanity goes seeking help from elsewhere.

Humanity hasn't shown that it wants to live yet. Our species is still too self-destructive. And, above that, our ethics have not kept pace with our technology. We are a dangerous species with suicidal tendencies. Why would an outside intelligence want to bother with us?

LOL, there's been plenty of open contact,
But not by aliens with good intentions,
it's always an nasty species with an underlining agenda
"trying to past themselves off as benevolent,
just because of what they look like and what they say,
people believe them", people are so guliable,
they need to look at the intension behind the message,
not the intension that is presented.,
WE ARE OUR OWN SAVIOURS,
here comes project bluebeam!

I never understood this argument.

We send space probes to desolate rocks, our scientists spend time in the wilderness studying tiny insects. We are constantly looking for exosolar planets that seem to have the ingredients for life. If we find one, or better yet, we find signs of life on one, it will go to the top of our list of places to explore if we ever achieve the technology to do so. Even if it only had primative microbial life.

so why wouldn't an advanced civilization want to study us? it would seem that we'd be very interesting to study.

your argument seems to assume that there would be more interesting civilizations to visit. We don't know that for sure, possibly the advanced civilization doesn't know that as well. Maybe we're close to where they're from.

But more likely, do our scientists say "We're not going to study insects anymore because birds are more interesting". No we study anything we can. Why wouldn't an advanced civilization study every planet with life it could find?

That said, I'm not convinced that UFOs are ET in origin, but I've just never found this particular argument against ET visitation convincing.

I've always been a open minded yet two-way skeptic regarding this phenomenon but if i were a die hard skeptic i would find this statement over the top & paranoid...


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On the other hand, perhaps we're being harvested like so many unsuspecting cattle. Much of the "abduction" literature is concerned with the alleged taking of reproductive material and the creation of human-alien "hybrid" offspring.

Author David Jacobs, for one, sees a distinctly malevolent agenda afoot. In his book "The Threat," he describes what amounts to an impending takeover by aliens who've been stealthily acclimating themselves to our planet. In my opinion, Jacobs' perspective is severely limited; nevertheless, it provides an engagingly paranoid synthesis that deserves attention if only to be intelligently refuted.



And SETI claims; ''Our SETI site offers well-researched, documented and visualized content.'' err ok...

Distance in the universe is beyond the undertstanding of daily humna life. Not matter how fast a ship goes we are faaaaarr away from even the nearest star (even on Star Trek and warp speed it can take weeks/months to reach some places).

We are one insignificant spec on the outer edge on one galacitic arm. Even our radio signals disipate about 20 light years out of the solar system. So there really isn't much to attract attention here. Yea, maybe if an advanced civilization did know we were here they would come - that's if they knew we were here.

I would like to think an advanced civilization coming here for thousands of Earth years would be indifferent (if not benevolent). If they were here to attack/harvest us they could have done that thousands of years ago when we would have thought them Gods and had no possible way to resist. At a minimum today we could destroy the world in a nuclear holocost if attacked from space. At a minimum that would poison the planet for any aliens.

No. I think (and want to hope) that an advanced civilization would know the dangers of what happens when a "primative" people (us) come in contact with high tech. We can see that in our own history when primative tribal cultures meet more modern people. The primative society is usually destoryed from with in shortly.

I'm still awaiting a better explanation than funding issues as to why SETI went offline. I'm aware large purchases of equipments where made after a drive to raise monies, but it seemed replacement. De-funct? I'd think...

Some years past, I became aware of rumors of a signal that was heard, and heard in exclaimation: "The array is down!", which was perceived by myself as an order of apply deaf ears. I'm not associated with, nor have doctrine of degree, but am capable of interpreting what I hear. To a high degree...

These patterns, which heard, are definable. And, there's a resonance, within the search phenomenon. Money to be had, might best be placed...and not focused.

when we tag say a bear , do we announce to all bears worldwide that we're doing it ? it's just not important to us.

having said that I think listening for aliens via radio waves is questionable. supposedly their communication is through telepathy ? so why radio ? maybe we are the only ones to use radio ? would such waves even be detectable after traveling such distances ? wouldn't there be a better way ? say a huge laser beacon that we send out ? just a thought

Telepathy? Let's not get so sci-fi.

Even if now an alien civilzation used lasers or "sub space" radio etc presumably even an alien civilization evolved through an era of radio communication. And just like us, maybe their signals are still out there in the galaxy.

Also, we may detect radio signals from a society that isn't yet capable of interstellar travel but can send signals.

And, some devices produce electronic signals as a by product. We may pick those up too.

In the "What if" category. Theologians and scientists have looked into the possibility of time not being a constant. So the whole UFO sightings phenomenon may be our Future selves sending back Robotic Probes to record interesting Historical events. I know, pure Sci Fi. But it would answer SOME of the sightings. And using probes and robots seems to be some thing we are good at.

yeah telepathy . that's one of the things you hear all the time. possible ? well our military seems to think so. So I wouldn't rule it out.

the thing is we try so hard to make alien life so much like us. Our devices may produce electronic signals . who's to say some other planets do ? what if the communication is purely chemical ? or visual ? or like above mental.

who knows . It could be us in a few thousand generations needing to come back . it was also pure Sci Fi at one time to have a man on the moon too.

Maybe they know that we are an terrible specie. They see all of our iniquitous ways. This planet is heading for doom and they know it. Hopeless.
Or, we really are the Intelligent ones in this young universe. The idea of Futurists creating our Hologram has always been one of my favourite theories.
They know we are here....

Some people think it still is

I saw this on the old Twilight Zone. A little giant space girl whose parents had collected toys (an entire American town plus two Americans) to build her doll house. Yeah, I agree with you, maybe the only plausible reason extra-terrestrial intelligence might consider intruding on human affairs is for research purposes. Star Trek did it too, by the way. I wonder if the ET intelligence have a "Prime Directive?"

Maybe we are dealing with ultraterrestrials here?

There have been thousands of cases throughout history to suggest that humans have indeed been in "contact" with some sort of intelligence.

For example, even if we only take some prominent cases from the 20th century alone, we will see that there are a number of "aliens" have visited us - but all are involved in "scientific research" such as taking water and some soil, flashing their lights around; they all view us as stupid insects not worthy of contact, yet they do interact and experiment with us; and so on and so forth. What is so special about this planet? Is the universe so grey and linear that all intelligent beings end up being "space scientists"?

It is also strange if the aliens really are emotionless scientists. Why not just take our men and women? Why do they have to return us to our homes? It's not like we can come after them. Or take the cases with animal mutilations. Why not take the whole animal?

Not to mention the fact that except photos, videos and witness accounts - we don't have a single piece of evidence of anything alien.

eeem, NO... !? We don't see anything like that...

As we only have one source of example for an advaned civilization (meaning us) in the known universe, we can only assume two things regarding alien visitations.
First - any alien species (advanced to a level similar to us or above) has evolved in a completely different way the we have. Their technology is based on principles not comprehensible to us. (but as our scientists discover that the spacetime behaves the same way everywhere we look, it's all made out of the same elements we have here in our solar system, so there is little chance of this scenario) In this case they may not have the same limitations we do, so our arguments against their unnecessary visit to a far away planet across the universe (or galaxy) to anally probe some abducted farmers could be just needless. Still, as I said, this is very unlikely...
Second - any alien species (that has undergone similar evolutionary processes and has to obey the same natural laws as we do) will advance more or less in the same way that we will. Meaning - from tool using to technology, from technology to even more adnaced technologies... The possibility that we will someday send humans to another stars is very unlikely... From the way our technology is advancing, we can almost be sure that it will be some sort of AI probes, that will be sent to these distant stars and planets. Human species as we know them may cease to exist in this century (or during the next) because of the immense potential of computer power that will (as is predicted) be available to our species. So by the time we are ready to make this journey to other stars, we will be either completely artificial, or some sort of cyborgs, or, we will be replaced by these artilects (exterminated). But before that, as I said, the AI probes will be the first ones to go to the stars. So why should we assume that any advanced alien scpecies would send them selfs first to some other planets...?

I've always wondered what an alien would want with humans. There are some who say that we are the offspring of early "humans" and extraterrestrials through genetic engineering, that they are not actually extraterrestrials at all but rather super-terrestrials, the list goes on and on. The super-terrestrial theory could make more sense as someone mentioned.

I'll use their example of us tagging bears in the wild. We live on the same planet (humans and bears), but do bears have the consciousness to realize who we are? I know humans are arrogant in thinking that we are the masters of our domain, but what if there is other life that exists along with us...we just don't realize it. We then become the bears...tagged and released. Maybe our consciousness has not yet evolved enough for us to actually "see" these other beings in the everyday way we tend to see things that we know for a fact exist (at least in our minds). I've always wondered what is going through an animals mind when we capture and run experiments on them...I guess I could just ask an abductee to get an answer huh? I mean to animals we are more than likely "alien" to them as well...so who is to say that there is not another form of life here on Earth that is above us that we can't comprehend in our minds? People are getting all worked up over the coming "awakening of consciousness" and this may also explain why there are more sightings happening...maybe they are not visiting, but we are just coming to the point where we will be able to acknowledge their presence. Just a thought

Having become stagnant, I'll stir this topic. These aliens, are in fact future rights. Where some God's complex, re-envisionment. is of order. To conceptualize, can create. If you build a time-piece, and apply operation, you may adjust; and set alarm for future event.
These extra terrestrials are an event of scopic beings. Where, the once obtained global consciousness has obtained. Through outright denial, a flip. The aliens, in all their glory, are idealization efforts. Thought process, in an irradiated field of unencountered energy.
Where, thought process refracted, the reflected in the mind.

You are now free, know always, your mind stammered. Your party is yo's to enjaw'. For, if you look and destabilize, you may believe. And, "It's the Wiind..." effect grasps it's tap, then claws, then becomes the very Talon of belief system. Your frightened, because someone, just like you, doesn't like you. And, showmanship, my friend, can be laid down with unital cover fire. Enjoy!

There is one thing for sure...when you look at the humanoid and its activities on this planet....destoying the planet, killing each other over money and religion, engaging in the most ridiculas of pursuits....your considered just a dangerous animal that actually needs to be destoyed...your totally a abomination of the way nature would require you to live...your needed for the moment but you will be exteminated. I laff at your self importance..your no more important than a cow turd in a field. So go shopping..lol

There again, the Eastern Block of the former Soviet Union are very aggressive. Either through drama/trauma or drill; their stance is much more open-minded.

You can, in fact as is on record, be executed by word-of-mouth for possible contactee status.

They don't play...

Your missing out on the most important explanation of all...they know alot about us and know that humans are violent and will try to manipulate any technology or information for a military advantage...they also know that both cultures are too far apart socially and technology wise and will only communicate with whom they choose and believe me it won't be on a mass scale. There it is...the actuall reason.

Exterestrials will declare their interest within two years. An alien task forces will support the United States in bringing stability to this planet. How do I know? It's the result/conclusion of a 25/30 year investigation.