Has anyone ever used one of these? If so what were your results? What are peoples thoughts on this form of communication?

Very interesting, i've never used one myself but i have heard of them, wasn't one used where Lizzie Borden once lived? Might have to google that actually..

I have never heard of it. What is it

http://paranormalinsider.com/2007/10/franks_box.php

Its supposedly a phone for the dead. Rosemary Ellen Guiley swears by it.

My group was present at a demo of a Franks Box last spring. We weren't allowed to use our equipment however.

You did hear voices but the concept of the box is scans radio frequencies that ghosts are supposed to be more active on. So naturally you will get voices - radio transmissions. Some others at the demo claimed to get messages. We weren't impressed.

I've met Rosemary on several occations and email with her often. Her research on Shadows is very impressive.

You see that is what I want to know, if you are scanning radio frequencies what are the chances of picking up some sort of radio broadcast?

I myself would love to meet her and I love her research of Shadow People its amazing.

Using Franksbox is like fishing for one certain kind of fish. You toss your line out there (scan the freqs) and you get feedback from every other kind of fish but the one fish you are looking for. How do you even know when you pick something up? It's Fishing for the Afterlife...

This is just another gimmick to con unsuspecting believers out of their money.

While I don't believe in EVP I have read a lot about it. Those who claim EVP is real suggest using a tape or digital recorder to capture the so-called ghostly voices. If this is so, them why would scanning such high frequency bands produce any results? The most anyone would detect using this and similar devices is private radio communications.

Unless there's an AM radio station for the dead, I don't think ghost researchers will get much use out of this toy.

I remember watching "Afterdark" on nickolodeon when i was a kid and they had an episode of something similar. This kid could communicate with the dead through a radio device. It was either Afterdark or Fact or Fiction on some other channel. Anyway, the idea has been out there for a while now...

Then the movie white noise came out and do you realize how many people took to that craze? "statadementia", you will lose your mind after watching static for so many hours. I think i just made that word up lol.

I've seen programs and movies like that for years. What gets me is how even among dedicated ghost researchers the techniques employed often contradict each other. Then again, this hardly falls into the realm of scientific research.

can you give examples of this?

Since you didn't bother to highlight the line in question I'll assume you meant my statement regarding contradiction in techniques.

Throughout time people have tried Tarot cards, Ouija boards, seances, automatic writing, etc. and now it's electronic audio and video recorders. If that's not contradictory, then what is? In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if someone claims to have detected ghosts using radar.

How is it contradictory, it is all means of communication with the afterlife.

It's those varied means of communication that do not support one another. When someone uses a deck of cards or a Ouija board they claim that they are being guided (or controlled, possessed, acting as a conduit, etc.) by the dead. If that's the case, then why don't the dead control the person walking around with a recorder to have him/her speak whatever it is they want to say?

Conversely, if ghosts exist simply as a form of detached electronic phenomenon, then how would they be able to guide the hands of someone using Runes or doing automatic writing?

And returning to my first question, if EVP is real, then the dead are speaking in the audio frequency range to be heard on the recorder. How is it possible, then, that they would be detected in such high frequencies as AM (the way the device in the above link suggests)?

Franks Box???
never heard of it
sounds interesting i'd like to test this thing out for myself sometime, wonder how it works....i'd like to dissasemble one once...that dosnt seem to work anymore...wonder what components it's made with...

http://www.spiritsearchsociety.com/theghostbox.pdf

The link above has directions on how to building a Franks Box. If you attempt this good luck, it looks like Chinese to me.

LOL! So, a white noise source run through a filter, then sent to an AM tuner through a mic is supposed to allow anyone to hear the dead speak?

I've got to try this patch with my modular synthesizer. Who knows? Maybe it'll provide a new "haunting" quality to my music.

haha I know how it sounds what I want to know is how can people be so certain they are not picking up a broadcast going on??? and or matrix false noises

Click here to read some articles based on the shadow research she has reported:

Shadow Article 1

Shadow Article 2

I'm skeptic of the thing myself.. how can anything based on radio frequencies be taken so seriously regarding the paranormal.. I don't know.

Because the spirits told him it would work!!!
j/k

I think it's just like our matrixing photographs, if we look or listen hard enough, we'll eventually find something because deep down we really want it to happen.

I believe the box about as much as i believe the K-II Fake-o-meter.

& I have to agree.

As do i

I knew you would.. :}

I have never used one myself. It is the general consensus amoungst my friends that franks box is not reliable, but I honestly don't know what to think. I am not a big fan of EVP anyway. I would try one if someone I knew brought one along to a investigation, but im not going to go out of my way to have one made.


You ever used one masterpo?

I agree! How can they?
I've never understood this white noise thing, but I'm deaf so I'm biased.
To me, creating white noise, to hear something beyond the white noise, seems ridiculous. Why not just record what it there, instead of adding noise to create the effect of speech? I would be much more impressed with an evp that came out of silence then one coming out of white noise. And that would still be a stretch because evp's are so much easier to fake than photos or videos.

This looks similar

http://www.pipr.org/ultrasound.html

Once again, why are they using ultrasonic frequencies? Also, it's apparent that their failure to produce results using digital equipment goes to show that they are relying on analog tape artifacts to come up with something that can be called ghostly voices.

Sorry, but this just doesn't stand up to even the barest of scrutiny.

So what they are saying by using ultrasonic frequencies it should be able to enhance the EVP which is supposedly inaudible to audible? I am hesitant using anything that gives off back round noises during an investigation just because it could be so easy to confuse something for a voice. Personally I would like to try a Franks Box just so I can personally check out the results. Yet i would probably never use this being that if there is a chance that it could be picking up a broadcast, than I couldn’t deem anything I caught creditable. I mean seriously think about it what if there is car dealer ship commercial saying "Yes Folks the deal of a life time!!!" And it’s airing right when my group and I say "Hello is anyone with us right now?" and as it scans I get "Yes folks” I would be so embarrassed if I considered that evidence and found out later what truly happened.

Using white noise as a background source for EVPs has been around for a long time. It can be very effective but not always.

Simply amazing I swear I admire this woman. Do you know if she plans on writing a book about all her shadow people research? I know she has been collecting data on the subject for years.

Although I applaud new (and sometimes unorthodox) approaches taken to further understanding, I'm on the fence on EVPs, and they're getting dangerously close to falling into the category where I keep my opinions on "Orbs" and "Rods"; while I leave an avenue open on the off chance something compelling is discovered, EVPs are too vague and open to subjective interpretation and susceptible to the audial variation of the phenomenon of pareidolia, as explained in an article on the "Female Martian Rock Figure" on SPACE.COM :



Here also is an interesting post on the Toronto Ghosts website about this issue:
http://www.torontoghosts.org/3dot.htm

She does have at least one book out about shadows. Try Amazon.

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I agree that some EVPs are very questionable.

But many others are not. They are very clear. Putting aside outright fraud/fakery (which does happen unfortunately), a great many EVPs simply can not be dismissed as you mention above.

Aside from fraud and gross misinterpretation, an EVP is pretty self explanitory while an orb can be dismissed many ways. And even if legit, orbs occur naturally anyway. Can't say EVPs are natural things.

Ok quick question,
Would you be more inclined to believe an EVP that was recorded with white noise or without?

Obviously an otherwise silent recording that suddenly has a clear voice on it is somewhat less questionable than one with white noise source.

However, I think much depends on the circumstances of the use of white noise. One problem with using a white noise source is that it is often held too close to the recorder thereby overpoering the recording. Then you have to try to filter out the white noise and if you need to filter too much you risk matrixing.

I will say that one of the best EVPs sessions we had did come from a radio source you could say was Fanks Box-ish. We still hold open the possibility someone was messing with us but the situation was such that if someone was a hoaxing us it was done incredibly well.

I just found out that Chris Moon has stated that only 30 people world wide are allowed to use franks box. The best part is that the 30 people were chosen by the afterlife. wtf?

Oh yea. That makes me believe it more.

Thanks MasterPo!

So yesterday I went to Radio shack and made my own Ghost Box. I decided hey if we in this paranormal field want to accomplish anything all techniques should be looked into. I just got home for an investigation where we decided to try this “Ghost Box”. I feel I can not make a conclusive opinion about this form of communication at this time, but I can honestly say that so far I am not impressed. First of all it continuously scans throughout the radio channels but words can still be made out, and it is very easy to misinterpret or convince yourself it said something it didn’t. I do believe at this point this method is audio matrixing and I would love to hear if anyone at all has had any successful experiences using a ghost box.

BSP,

What radio shack were you at yesterday? We had an investigation in Holland and I went into the radioshack over in spring meadows to pick a few things up and the guy asked if ghost hunters were spawning out of thin air these days. I asked why and he said that there was a gentleman in here earlier buying a few gadgets. Be crazy if it was you...what a small world lol.

I haven't followed the details of EVP stuff, but I'd like to commend BSP on proactive personal investigation and research on a relevant issue which is controversial even in an already controversial field. Kudos, Black Swamp Paranormal!

CryWolf nope that wasnt me, I went to the one over on Reynolds Road. I'm curious as to how many goups are in the Toledo area. Your group and Toledo Ghost Hunters are the only two I know of. Are you familiar with any other groups around here?

Why thank you Jpatt

To be honest, I didn't even know there were groups around this area. The competition for investigations are non-existant. I don't even think TGH are active much. I did read in a paper of "Toledo Ghost Detectives" affiliated with BGSU, we actually called the woman and she said she is affiliated with another group in the Toledo area. She says she is "Psychic", do you guys have a woman by the name of Sue in your group?

I get emails all the time from people wanting to join saying..."I didn't even know there was a team in NW Ohio," that is how I came across at least 8 members.

Nothing like peer review to confirm a theory or findings.