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brave_new_world
Microchipping is no conspiracy or distant future sci-fi dystopia.

Here is an article from the Daily Mail about how in a few weeks all police will be microchipped:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770


Here is an article from The Times asking whether or not we would have our children chipped. It appears to be advocating chips using Madeleine McCann as a catalyst:

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_an...icle1788169.ece

Here is an article about a nightclub in Scotland in which people volunteer to be chipped so they can have the HUGE ADVANTAGES of getting through queues quicker and receive a first name terms greeting and a smile huh.gif

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/janua...chiptoallow.htm




And here is the article which I will paste and copy most which gives what I believe a more realistic overview of where all the microchipping is heading to. The article I am pasting now helps to explain what is really going on with the previous article links I have pasted. Here it is:

A generation is all they need

KEVIN HAGGERTY
Toronto Star
Sunday, December 10, 2006

One day we will all happily be implanted with microchips, and our every move will be monitored. The technology exists; the only barrier is society's resistance to the loss of privacy

By the time my four-year-old son is swathed in the soft flesh of old age, he will likely find it unremarkable that he and almost everyone he knows will be permanently implanted with a microchip. Automatically tracking his location in real time, it will connect him with databases monitoring and recording his smallest behavioural traits.

Most people anticipate such a prospect with a sense of horrified disbelief, dismissing it as a science-fiction fantasy. The technology, however, already exists. For years humane societies have implanted all the pets that leave their premises with a small identifying microchip. As well, millions of consumer goods are now traced with tiny radio frequency identification chips that allow satellites to reveal their exact location.

A select group of people are already "chipped" with devices that automatically open doors, turn on lights, and perform other low-level miracles. Prominent among such individuals is researcher Kevin Warwick of Reading University in England; Warwick is a leading proponent of the almost limitless potential uses for such chips.

Other users include the patrons of the Baja Beach Club in Barcelona, many of whom have paid about $150 (U.S.) for the privilege of being implanted with an identifying chip that allows them to bypass lengthy club queues and purchase drinks by being scanned. These individuals are the advance guard of an effort to expand the technology as widely as possible.

From this point forward, microchips will become progressively smaller, less invasive, and easier to deploy. Thus, any realistic barrier to the wholesale "chipping" of Western citizens is not technological but cultural. It relies upon the visceral reaction against the prospect of being personally marked as one component in a massive human inventory.

Today we might strongly hold such beliefs, but sensibilities can, and probably will, change. How this remarkable attitudinal transformation is likely to occur is clear to anyone who has paid attention to privacy issues over the past quarter-century. There will be no 3 a.m. knock on the door by storm troopers come to force implants into our bodies. The process will be more subtle and cumulative, couched in the unassailable language of progress and social betterment, and mimicking many of the processes that have contributed to the expansion of closed-circuit television cameras and the corporate market in personal data.

A series of tried and tested strategies will be marshalled to familiarize citizens with the technology. These will be coupled with efforts to pressure tainted social groups and entice the remainder of the population into being chipped.

This, then, is how the next generation will come to be microchipped.

It starts in distant countries. Having tested the technology on guinea pigs, both human and animal, the first widespread use of human implanting will occur in nations at the periphery of the Western world. Such developments are important in their own right, but their international significance pertains to how they familiarize a global audience with the technology and habituate them to the idea that chipping represents a potential future.

An increasing array of hypothetical chipping scenarios will also be depicted in entertainment media, furthering the familiarization process.

In the West, chips will first be implanted in members of stigmatized groups. Pedophiles are the leading candidate for this distinction, although it could start with terrorists, drug dealers, or whatever happens to be that year's most vilified criminals. Short-lived promises will be made that the technology will only be used on the "worst of the worst." In fact, the wholesale chipping of incarcerated individuals will quickly ensue, encompassing people on probation and on parole.

Even accused individuals will be tagged, a measure justified on the grounds that it would stop them from fleeing justice. Many prisoners will welcome this development, since only chipped inmates will be eligible for parole, weekend release, or community sentences. From the prison system will emerge an evocative vocabulary distinguishing chippers from non-chippers.

Although the chips will be justified as a way to reduce fraud and other crimes, criminals will almost immediately develop techniques to simulate other people's chip codes and manipulate their data.

The comparatively small size of the incarcerated population, however, means that prisons would be simply a brief stopover on a longer voyage. Commercial success is contingent on making serious inroads into tagging the larger population of law-abiding citizens. Other stigmatized groups will therefore be targeted. This will undoubtedly entail monitoring welfare recipients, a move justified to reduce fraud, enhance efficiency, and ensure that the poor do not receive "undeserved" benefits.

Once e-commerce is sufficiently advanced, welfare recipients will receive their benefits as electronic vouchers stored on their microchips, a policy that will be tinged with a sense of righteousness, as it will help ensure that clients can only purchase government-approved goods from select merchants, reducing the always disconcerting prospect that poor people might use their limited funds to purchase alcohol or tobacco.

Civil libertarians will try to foster a debate on these developments. Their attempts to prohibit chipping will be handicapped by the inherent difficulty in animating public sympathy for criminals and welfare recipients — groups that many citizens are only too happy to see subjected to tighter regulation. Indeed, the lesser public concern for such groups is an inherent part of the unarticulated rationale for why coerced chipping will be disproportionately directed at the stigmatized.

The official privacy arm of the government will now take up the issue. Mandated to determine the legality of such initiatives, privacy commissioners and Senate Committees will produce a forest of reports presented at an archipelago of international conferences. Hampered by lengthy research and publication timelines, their findings will be delivered long after the widespread adoption of chipping is effectively a fait accompli. The research conclusions on the effectiveness of such technologies will be mixed and open to interpretation.

Officials will vociferously reassure the chipping industry that they do not oppose chipping itself, which has fast become a growing commercial sector. Instead, they are simply seeking to ensure that the technology is used fairly and that data on the chips is not misused. New policies will be drafted.


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What might Hitler, Mao or Milosevic have accomplished if their citizens were chipped, coded, and remotely monitored?
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Employers will start to expect implants as a condition of getting a job. The U.S. military will lead the way, requiring chips for all soldiers as a means to enhance battlefield command and control — and to identify human remains. From cooks to commandos, every one of the more than one million U.S. military personnel will see microchips replace their dog tags.

Following quickly behind will be the massive security sector. Security guards, police officers, and correctional workers will all be expected to have a chip. Individuals with sensitive jobs will find themselves in the same position.

The first signs of this stage are already apparent. In 2004, the Mexican attorney general's office started implanting employees to restrict access to secure areas. The category of "sensitive occupation" will be expansive to the point that anyone with a job that requires keys, a password, security clearance, or identification badge will have those replaced by a chip.

Judges hearing cases on the constitutionality of these measures will conclude that chipping policies are within legal limits. The thin veneer of "voluntariness" coating many of these programs will allow the judiciary to maintain that individuals are not being coerced into using the technology.

In situations where the chips are clearly forced on people, the judgments will deem them to be undeniable infringements of the right to privacy. However, they will then invoke the nebulous and historically shifting standard of "reasonableness" to pronounce coerced chipping a reasonable infringement on privacy rights in a context of demands for governmental efficiency and the pressing need to enhance security in light of the still ongoing wars on terror, drugs, and crime.

At this juncture, an unfortunately common tragedy of modern life will occur: A small child, likely a photogenic toddler, will be murdered or horrifically abused. It will happen in one of the media capitals of the Western world, thereby ensuring non-stop breathless coverage. Chip manufactures will recognize this as the opportunity they have been anticipating for years. With their technology now largely bug-free, familiar to most citizens and comparatively inexpensive, manufacturers will partner with the police to launch a high-profile campaign encouraging parents to implant their children "to ensure your own peace of mind."

Special deals will be offered. Implants will be free, providing the family registers for monitoring services. Loving but unnerved parents will be reassured by the ability to integrate tagging with other functions on their PDA so they can see their child any time from any place.

Paralleling these developments will be initiatives that employ the logic of convenience to entice the increasingly small group of holdouts to embrace the now common practice of being tagged. At first, such convenience tagging will be reserved for the highest echelon of Western society, allowing the elite to move unencumbered through the physical and informational corridors of power. Such practices will spread more widely as the benefits of being chipped become more prosaic. Chipped individuals will, for example, move more rapidly through customs.

Indeed, it will ultimately become a condition of using mass-transit systems that officials be allowed to monitor your chip. Companies will offer discounts to individuals who pay by using funds stored on their embedded chip, on the small-print condition that the merchant can access large swaths of their personal data. These "discounts" are effectively punitive pricing schemes, charging unchipped individuals more as a way to encourage them to submit to monitoring. Corporations will seek out the personal data in hopes of producing ever more fine-grained customer profiles for marketing purposes, and to sell to other institutions.

By this point all major organizations will be looking for opportunities to capitalize on the possibilities inherent in an almost universally chipped population. The uses of chips proliferate, as do the types of discounts. Each new generation of household technology becomes configured to operate by interacting with a person's chip.

Finding a computer or appliance that will run though old-fashioned "hands-on"' interactions becomes progressively more difficult and costly. Patients in hospitals and community care will be routinely chipped, allowing medical staff — or, more accurately, remote computers — to monitor their biological systems in real time.

Eager to reduce the health costs associated with a largely docile citizenry, authorities will provide tax incentives to individuals who exercise regularly. Personal chips will be remotely monitored to ensure that their heart rate is consistent with an exercise regime.

By now, the actual process of "chipping" for many individuals will simply involve activating certain functions of their existing chip. Any prospect of removing the chip will become increasingly untenable, as having a chip will be a precondition for engaging in the main dynamics of modern life, such as shopping, voting, and driving.

The remaining holdouts will grow increasingly weary of Luddite jokes and subtle accusations that they have something to hide. Exasperated at repeatedly watching neighbours bypass them in "chipped" lines while they remain subject to the delays, inconveniences, and costs reserved for the unchipped, they too will choose the path of least resistance and get an implant.

In one generation, then, the cultural distaste many might see as an innate reaction to the prospect of having our bodies marked like those of an inmate in a concentration camp will likely fade.

In the coming years some of the most powerful institutional actors in society will start to align themselves to entice, coerce, and occasionally compel the next generation to get an implant.

Now, therefore, is the time to contemplate the unprecedented dangers of this scenario. The most serious of these concern how even comparatively stable modern societies will, in times of fear, embrace treacherous promises. How would the prejudices of a Joe McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover, or of southern Klansmen — all of whom were deeply integrated into the American political establishment — have manifest themselves in such a world? What might Hitler, Mao or Milosevic have accomplished if their citizens were chipped, coded, and remotely monitored?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/decem...6generation.htm


My emphasis

Scary stuff aye?
weareallsuckers
Hello Brave my friend! wavey.gif

The article is definitely scary, unfortunately since many are like sheep the scenario given is more than likely gonna play out just like that. We need to stand up for ourselves in this age of government manipulations. They are getting away with so much while we all sit back and watch, wars, conspiracies, you know the list........

chemical-licker
i hope the police goto the human rights disgust.gif dam its only for the criminals
brave_new_world
QUOTE (weareallsuckers @ Apr 18 2008, 08:43 PM) *
Hello Brave my friend! wavey.gif

The article is definitely scary, unfortunately since many are like sheep the scenario given is more than likely gonna play out just like that. We need to stand up for ourselves in this age of government manipulations. They are getting away with so much while we all sit back and watch, wars, conspiracies, you know the list........


As long as we are non-violent, intelligent and loving all shall be well.
Left Field
It's stuff like this that really makes me despise technology sometimes.

This chip stuff makes me sick.

I was discussing this with one of my brothers the other day and he realizes how absurd it is, and says he would never allow it to be done to him. Then when I tell him how they are already doing it to certain people and in certain situations he reacts as if those situations make sense for such technology to be used.

So I presented more to him letting him know it will eventually be something that's as commonplace as what cell phones have now become. At that point, he tells me there is no way people would be willing to let that happen.

For my sake and his, I hope he is right. Unfortunately, I'm on the other side of the fence that believes if the governments of the world start saying you must be chipped in order to enjoy/do this, that, and the other thing, then there are enough people that will go along with it simply because that is what they are told to do.

This is how it starts. Using the technology in forceable situations to begin with until it becomes more commonly accepted and widespread that a large majority of the people think nothing of it to begin with.

Drives me crazy that people think they have the right to try and do such a thing to humans.
ex infernis
I don't see the problem

I think you don't see the potential. Even thought some of these are not currently available, they will be in the future
  • Ability to locate lost children
  • Ability to diagnose health problems before they surface
  • Ability to pay for items by simply walking out the door
  • Use in as evidence in criminal trials

These are just some of the unlimited possibilities of such technology.

Left Field
QUOTE (ex infernis @ Apr 19 2008, 01:23 AM) *
These are just some of the unlimited possibilities of such technology.


And it sucks.

It's a disgrace in my opinion that humans would end up having such things implanted in them.


I'd much rather have my freedom. I'd like to be able to go places without feeling like someone knows where I am at all times. It would drive me mad.
truthist
Nowadays smart cards are replacing cash, and they too could be used to gather information about you, what you bought and where, which train you took, etc. Technology freaks are probably going to be the first to embrace the microchip. I remember seeing a youtube clip where Linus Torvalds was asked about microchips and his attitude was pretty positive. But as a geek, his point of view was "what could I do with it" and not "what could the League of Nebulous Meanies do with it".

And if you had the chip forced upon you, it could probably be hacked, modded, corrupted, disabled, forged, or simply removed. It's never going to be fool-proof.
REBEL
Ah yes Livestock Human Micro-Chipping, a topic that was once thought nothing more than a crazy conspiracy 'theory' to even conceive it possible has/is coming to pass on a mass scale. ''Bend over please sir.....''

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''Apology for the slight typo there, i was think'n bout my neighbour's cattle going to market''... rofl.gif





Iwanci
QUOTE (ex infernis @ Apr 19 2008, 06:23 AM) *
I don't see the problem

I think you don't see the potential. Even thought some of these are not currently available, they will be in the future
  • Ability to locate lost children
  • Ability to diagnose health problems before they surface
  • Ability to pay for items by simply walking out the door
  • Use in as evidence in criminal trials

These are just some of the unlimited possibilities of such technology.

BÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ!!!
Left Field
QUOTE (REBEL @ Apr 19 2008, 06:16 AM) *
Ah yes Livestock Human Micro-Chipping, a topic that was once thought nothing more than a crazy conspiracy 'theory' to even conceive it possible has/is coming to pass on a mass scale. ''Bend over please sir.....''


Yep, that's pretty much how it is.

Sad thing is, people don't even realize it's already beginning to be worked into the mainstream. Even those that acknowledge it's use now fail to understand it beyond the immediate purpose it is currently being used for. It's as if they think how far it can, or will spread is capped by where it stands now, failing to realize how commonplace it will likely one day become.

Worst part is, some people actually think this is a good thing! It's scares the hell out of me where the world is willing to let technology bring mankind to. I absolutely despise it.
brave_new_world
QUOTE (Left Field @ Apr 19 2008, 06:49 PM) *
Yep, that's pretty much how it is.

Sad thing is, people don't even realize it's already beginning to be worked into the mainstream. Even those that acknowledge it's use now fail to understand it beyond the immediate purpose it is currently being used for. It's as if they think how far it can, or will spread is capped by where it stands now, failing to realize how commonplace it will likely one day become.

Worst part is, some people actually think this is a good thing! It's scares the hell out of me where the world is willing to let technology bring mankind to. I absolutely despise it.


Thank you for your posts I have enjoyed reading them and I bet others have too. It is very scary and horrific and the very idea that it could be considered 'normal' to have chip implants makes one less and less optimistic about the future.

I myself would rather be at risk of being killed by terrorists/government and have my rights and civil liberties than be secure but be electronically fenced in by bureaucrats.

My opinion is to simply refuse the chip no matter what as non-violently as possible and if it is forced into you then take your life before they influence enough via their mind controlling frequencies.
brave_new_world
QUOTE (truthist @ Apr 19 2008, 04:04 PM) *
And if you had the chip forced upon you, it could probably be hacked, modded, corrupted, disabled, forged, or simply removed. It's never going to be fool-proof.


The hubris of the western world. We have seen two world wars and mega amounts of pollution, sickness and disease because of our lack of wisdom in applying our technology and 'progress' and yet in the west we still cling to it as though more technological advancement will bring about some kind of moral change and give us the utopia we have dreamed of.
REBEL
I posted on this last year, that they started micro-chipping members of the Mexican police force way back also (no conspiracy just straight out fact).

Isn't it funny tho how they start off using people <--(and i use that term loosely) respected public servants of/in authority etc to promote human tagging (MOOO...BAAA) kinda show the masses...''Hey look at us we got a chip sticking up our ass, theres nothing to it it it it it *zap!* It's all good, If we can do it, well then you can too...nooo problems. Come join us!''

It's all a game played on the masses psychologically ya know, kinda get the ball roll'n roll'n roll'n roll'n roll'n *zap!* i guess(?)
ex infernis
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My opinion is to simply refuse the chip no matter what as non-violently as possible and if it is forced into you then take your life before they influence enough via their mind controlling frequencies.

Utter nonsense there are no such things as "mind controlling frequencies"

Why would the government spy on normal citizens if they have done nothing wrong? It would be a waste of resources.
Left Field
QUOTE (brave_new_world @ Apr 19 2008, 12:02 PM) *
Thank you for your posts I have enjoyed reading them and I bet others have too. It is very scary and horrific and the very idea that it could be considered 'normal' to have chip implants makes one less and less optimistic about the future.

I myself would rather be at risk of being killed by terrorists/government and have my rights and civil liberties than be secure but be electronically fenced in by bureaucrats.

My opinion is to simply refuse the chip no matter what as non-violently as possible and if it is forced into you then take your life before they influence enough via their mind controlling frequencies.


I hear ya. I would like to thik that there is absolutely no way in the world I would ever allow myself to be "chipped". Just knowing it was in my body is something that I seriously think would drive me to insanity.

Hopefully, there are a large number of others that feel the same way about such things.

Unfortunately, even if the large population of adults were to refuse such a "chip" being placed in them, it would than be the younger generation that we need to worry about.

Kids don't really know any better for the most part and todays kids are tomorrow's adults. If they grow up with the feeling this is a normal thing, something that is simply part of society and the way the world is, they wouldn't know any better about what it they are actually giving up. It's scary and I hate it.
REBEL
QUOTE (ex infernis @ Apr 20 2008, 12:00 PM) *
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Utter nonsense there are no such things as "mind controlling frequencies"


lol!!! No it isn't...It's known that they can transmit thru microwave & ultra-low F.M frequencies.
''Hey, It might be like hav'n a built in iPod/MP3 Player in ya head...Cooool!''

History Of Mind-Control (By Harry V. Martin and David Caul )
Microchip Mind Control, Implants And Cybernetics (Actual 1974 Congressional Testimony of Dr. Jose Delgado)
Check the dates of the reports in the latter one...(and we're now in 2008)
Feel free to cross-check any of the info (scientific or whatever including other links).


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Why would the government spy on normal citizens if they have done nothing wrong?



Prevention is always better than the cure, they wanna be ready for when/if the masses wake up to the smell of bullsh*t i guess.


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It would be a waste of resources.


It isn't government...I'll say again...It isn't government.
It's the ''private global power elite'' (corporations) that are slowly & covertly implementing all this.
As to your question; You think they care, it'll eventually all done at the taxpayer's expense ''thru the puppet government''...like government funded vaccination programs etc i guess.

Or kinda like making us pay for the rope that we'll eventually hang ourselves with...(so to speak)
Mademoiselle
QUOTE (ex infernis @ Apr 19 2008, 07:23 AM) *
I don't see the problem

I think you don't see the potential. Even thought some of these are not currently available, they will be in the future
  • Ability to locate lost children
  • Ability to diagnose health problems before they surface
  • Ability to pay for items by simply walking out the door
  • Use in as evidence in criminal trials

These are just some of the unlimited possibilities of such technology.



May i ask if you have children ?
Because i have a daughter .. and she is not getting any chip .
Mademoiselle
QUOTE (brave_new_world @ Apr 18 2008, 10:28 PM) *
As long as we are non-violent, intelligent and loving all shall be well.



Voice of reason .

It's so good you're back Brave !
ex infernis
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lol!!! No it isn't...It's known that they can transmit thru microwave & ultra-low F.M frequencies.
''Hey, It might be like hav'n a built in MP3 Player in ya head...Cooool!''

History Of Mind-Control (By Harry V. Martin and David Caul )
Microchip Mind Control, Implants And Cybernetics (Actual 1974 Congressional Testimony of Dr. Jose Delgado)
Check the dates of the report in the latter one (and we're now in 2008)
Feel free to cross-check any of the info (scientific or whatever including other links).

Let's look at some of the problems with those articles (besides the spelling mistakes)
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Supercomputers in Maryland, Israel and elsewhere with a speed of over 20 BILLION bits/sec can monitor millions of people simultaneously. In fact, the whole world population can be totally controlled by these secret brain-computer interactions, however unbelievable it sounds for the uninformed.

Human thought has a speed of 5,000 bits/sec and everyone understands that our brain cannot compete with supercomputers acting via satellites, implants, local facilities, scalar or other forms of biotelemetry.

bits/sec in a measure of information transfer and not computing power and comparing the processing power of a human brain in means of hertz and other commonly used measurements to a computer is not easy as the two are very different. Secondly the most advanced supercomputers are no match compared to the abilities of the human brain. The brain is amazingly more powerful as exhibited by our abilities such as image processing, speech recognition and abstract thinking.

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Mobile phones used in mind control was a brilliant idea. Military and police agencies can follow every user, influence their thoughts through microwaves, cause healthy people to hear voices in their heads and if needed burn their brains in a second by increasing the current 20,000 times.

I believe that the maximum power output of a cell phone is 3.6 watts times 20,000 is 72,000 watts much more power than can be supplied by even the most powerful cell phone batteries and even if a cell phone could supply this amount of power it would also effect people within a large radius of the cell phone too as 72,000 watts is comparable to large radio stations.

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The Psychiatric Diagnostic Statistical Manual (DSM) for mental disorders has been a brilliant cover up operation in 18 languages to hide the atrocities of military and intelligence agencies' actions towards their targets. THE MANUAL LISTS ALL MIND CONTROL ACTIONS AS SIGNS OF PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIA.

Maybe because a person who has these symptoms is actually a paranoid schizophrenia!

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L.S.D. could produce serious insanity for periods of eight to 18 hours and possibly longer.

That's just an urban myth that was most likely created to stop kids from drug use. I will admit that there have been studies that have show that LSD might trigger mental illness in people who are predisposed to it, but that is far from causing insanity in a large percent of people.

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and continual doses of L.S.D.

tolerance to LSD builds up quickly and LSD would have no effects on someone rather quickly, the same with mescaline. In fact LSD also causes tolerance to mescaline and psilocybin.

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Prolixin lasts for two weeks. One patient describes how the drug does not calm or sedate nerves, but instead attacks from so deep inside you, you cannot locate the source of the pain. "The drugs turn your nerves in upon yourself. Against your will, your resistance, your resolve, are directed at your own tissues, your own muscles, reflexes, etc.." The patient continues, "The pain grinds into your fiber, your vision is so blurred you cannot read. You ache with restlessness, so that you feel you have to walk, to pace. And then as soon as you start pacing, the opposite occurs to you, you must sit and rest. Back and forth, up and down, you go in pain you cannot locate. In such wretched anxiety you are overwhelmed because you cannot get relief even in breathing."

Prolixin is an anti-psychotic used for treatment of schizophrenia. The main side effect is restlessness, but that is not compared to what he is describing.

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Thirty years ago, Allen Frey discovered that microwaves of 300 to 3000 megahertz could be "heard" by people, even if they were deaf, if pulsed at a certain rate. Appearing to be originating just in back of the head, the sound boomed, clicked, hissed or buzzed, depending upon the frequency. Later research has shown that the perception of the waves take place just in front of the ears. The microwaves causes pressure waves in the brain tissue, and this phenomenon vibrates the sound receptors in the inner ear through the bone structure. Some microwaves are capable of directly stimulating the nerve cells of the auditory pathways.

A google search for Allen Frey only turns up the webpage you linked and a bunch of unrelated webpages. For all we know he was completely made up.

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It's the ''private global power elite'' (corporations) that are slowly & covertly implementing all this.

So why don't you launch attacks at them, i.e. why don't you burn down a few Wal-marts? Instead of merely complaining about this stuff on the internet?

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You think they care

so they don't care?

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like government funded vaccination programs

Like the 85 or so million dollars the government has donated Africa for vaccinations? I never knew that large corporations are so interested in countries that have low incomes and unstable governments.

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May i ask if you have children ?

i'm 15 huh.gif

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Because i have a daughter .. and she is not getting any chip .

Fine with me, but if she ever gets kidnapped and is never found because she didn't have a chip don't complain to me.
Left Field
QUOTE (ex infernis @ Apr 20 2008, 02:20 AM) *
Fine with me, but if she ever gets kidnapped and is never found because she didn't have a chip don't complain to me.


That's a fear tactic that is absolutely ridiculous.

It'd be like me telling you you might as well live in a bubble, cause if you don't and you then happen to get hurt, I don't want to hear you complain to me about it. I did tell you to live in that bubble afterall.
ex infernis
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It'd be like me telling you you might as well live in a bubble, cause if you don't and you then happen to get hurt, I don't want to hear you complain to me about it. I did tell you to live in that bubble afterall.

It's not at all like that. I'm trying to explain how while you think these chips will mind control you, let whoever locate you at anytime and anything else you think they can. While they have beneficial purposes such as locating lost children and diagnosing illnesses.
Left Field
QUOTE (ex infernis @ Apr 20 2008, 02:41 AM) *
It's not at all like that. I'm trying to explain how while you think these chips will mind control you, let whoever locate you at anytime and anything else you think they can. While they have beneficial purposes such as locating lost children and diagnosing illnesses.


I'm sure they can have beneficial purposes, but it isn't right to force people to be implanted with these things. That's what my issue is with it. I think it'd be a rather frightening predicament should the day come that all humans are forced to have this chip implanted in them.

It isn't natural to the human body and I want nothing to do with it.
REBEL
QUOTE (ex infernis @ Apr 20 2008, 03:50 PM) *
So why don't you launch attacks at them, i.e. why don't you burn down a few Wal-marts?
Instead of merely complaining about this stuff on the internet?

Who's complaining, i'm just exercising my free speech, while we still have one...
You got a problem with that, err bad luck.

Funny you mentioned Wal-Mart...
Humans Scanned Like Groceries

As for the links provided that was a quick search, kinda take it anyway you like. thumbsup.gif

Heres another i had bookmarked; Microchip Implants, Mind Control, and Cybernetics


and this...
MICROWAVE MIND CONTROL:

When the use of electromagnetic fields, extra-low (ELF) and ultra-low
(ULF) frequencies and microwaves aimed deliberately at certain indiv-
iduals, groups, and even the general population to cause diseases,
disorientation, chaos and physical and emotional pain breaks into the
awareness of the general population, a public outcry is inevitable.
brave_new_world
QUOTE (ex infernis @ Apr 20 2008, 11:30 AM) *
Utter nonsense there are no such things as "mind controlling frequencies"

Why would the government spy on normal citizens if they have done nothing wrong? It would be a waste of resources.


That's what they want you to think. Also it depends on how the government/media/religion define what is right and wrong. What if it was wrong simply to think against what the government proposes? Or read the Koran? etc etc and a million etcs.
brave_new_world
QUOTE (Mademoiselle @ Apr 20 2008, 02:14 PM) *
Voice of reason .

It's so good you're back Brave !


Im here and there. But thank you very much for the welcome laugh.gif
brave_new_world
QUOTE (ex infernis @ Apr 20 2008, 03:41 PM) *
It's not at all like that. I'm trying to explain how while you think these chips will mind control you, let whoever locate you at anytime and anything else you think they can. While they have beneficial purposes such as locating lost children and diagnosing illnesses.


Simple, the chips operate on a frequency and this frequency is hooked up to a main-frame computer of some sort. If the mainframe computer (of some sort) changes the frequency signal the chip recieves, the body which the chip is implanted (is only a matter of time) will influence the body with the newly given signal (because these chips are quite complex things apparently). Because the world is made of vibrations. This is isn't implausible sci-fi but actual technology (shown and not shown) to the public.
Dan-Dare
QUOTE (REBEL @ Apr 19 2008, 10:16 AM) *
Ah yes Livestock Human Micro-Chipping, a topic that was once thought nothing more than a crazy conspiracy 'theory' to even conceive it possible has/is coming to pass on a mass scale. ''Bend over please sir.....''

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''Apology for the slight typo there, i was think'n bout my neighbour's cattle going to market''... rofl.gif



Do I have to clench my teeth? How big is that chip anyway?


Dan Dare devil.gif devil.gif devil.gif
muddyfrog
If you meditate you will notice frequency. Frequency is how you feel, what you see, what you hear. It's basically everything. Change your frequency, or your frequency recognition, and you are in a whole new world.

I do NOT want to be chipped. And I don't want to hear any fear tactics either.



I remember not too long ago (mabey 6 months to a year) WE (the crazy ones?),
were talking about the verichip. In everyone else's world these did not exist.
Now the exist, duh!
don't you want one?

~muddy
4dplane
In response to saving the children by implanting them with a chip:
How about the US Military all US contractors and coalition forces have chips, audio, and video cameras going at all times so we can see who has killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. This way we can get to the bottom of all conflicts and the truth will be known and all will be safe – because the good guys are watching! tongue.gif
cpjason
They won't go under the skin of civilans unless we want them there. They can just as easily put the same kind of chip on your drivers license or ID. There is no point on having it under your skin unless you are bound to die in a violent way in some far off land.

Even cops will probably just have a chip on their uniform, not in there body.
Tiggs
The "chips" that everyone seems to be talking about are RFID's. They hold a unique number within them. More advanced versions also have areas of memory within them to record information.

They will be used as a mechanism of unique identification. In essence, they could be used instead of keys, credit cards, passports etc.

New passports are already issued with RFID's in them. Some shops already use them in products to prevent theft.

Over time, they will become ubiquitous. Whether people choose to have them implanted, or carry an RFID ID card, the odds are that people will choose the convenience of only having one chip.
REBEL
They wont go under the skin? hmm...
Only on our driver's licence? hmm...
Only on Cops uniforms? hmm...


Microchipped Mexican Law Enforcement


When they come a knock'n on my door 'giv'n me a choice' where to have them implanted, i want it on my butt so they can hear my tunes whenever i let rip.




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Marcus
QUOTE (Tiggs @ Apr 21 2008, 06:23 AM) *
The "chips" that everyone seems to be talking about are RFID's. They hold a unique number within them. More advanced versions also have areas of memory within them to record information.

They will be used as a mechanism of unique identification. In essence, they could be used instead of keys, credit cards, passports etc.

New passports are already issued with RFID's in them. Some shops already use them in products to prevent theft.

Over time, they will become ubiquitous. Whether people choose to have them implanted, or carry an RFID ID card, the odds are that people will choose the convenience of only having one chip.


Here's a youtube clip talking about the RFID chips.. It's scary but I want nothing to do with this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p3riJGbAlg...EA7&index=0

A Clip of someone having the chip inserted in him..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DarYCXve_8...feature=related

I hope this isn't true because I will not take it..
Tiggs
That video's not entirely accurate, as far as I know - the maximum range of an RFID scanner is roughly around 50 Meters or so - due to their nature, I highly doubt that you'd be able to activate them via satellite. Not without melting everything in a 30 mile radius, anyway. If someone wants to locate your position, they'd just triangulate your mobile phone signal.
preacherman76
Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
brave_new_world
QUOTE (4dplane @ Apr 21 2008, 09:05 AM) *
In response to saving the children by implanting them with a chip:
How about the US Military all US contractors and coalition forces have chips, audio, and video cameras going at all times so we can see who has killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. This way we can get to the bottom of all conflicts and the truth will be known and all will be safe – because the good guys are watching! tongue.gif


hahaha true!
brave_new_world
QUOTE (Tiggs @ Apr 21 2008, 02:02 PM) *
That video's not entirely accurate, as far as I know - the maximum range of an RFID scanner is roughly around 50 Meters or so - due to their nature, I highly doubt that you'd be able to activate them via satellite. Not without melting everything in a 30 mile radius, anyway. If someone wants to locate your position, they'd just triangulate your mobile phone signal.


Personally I rekon the government/military have much more advanced technology than what is let out and that they will eventually have us all chipped under the skin. Of course they arnt going to show the bad effects or the manipulation that can be done otherwise we wouldnt allow it.

If they can track animals with implanted microchips then it wouldnt be impossible to do it with humans and track there constant wherabouts.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=45-PN-_Ptpk <---- developing a global positioning system? As if they havnt got one already. . . . . .
brave_new_world
QUOTE (REBEL @ Apr 21 2008, 01:30 PM) *
They wont go under the skin? hmm...
Only on our driver's licence? hmm...
Only on Cops uniforms? hmm...


Microchipped Mexican Law Enforcement


When they come a knock'n on my door 'giv'n me a choice' where to have them implanted, i want it on my butt so they can hear my tunes whenever i let rip.




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WHOA THAT IS FRIGGIN SCARY! sad.gif

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=45-PN-_Ptpk <--------- WILL EVENTUALLY BE MANDATROY FOR ALL CITIZENS. To control us, not fight crime.
REBEL
That abc clip's just over 5 years old V. Makes ya wonder how much that is in hi-tech cybernetics years?






Just had a light linked-imagebulb moment.....'Citizenchip'.
MissLadyS
QUOTE (ex infernis @ Apr 19 2008, 07:23 AM) *
I don't see the problem

I think you don't see the potential. Even thought some of these are not currently available, they will be in the future
  • Ability to locate lost children
  • Ability to diagnose health problems before they surface
  • Ability to pay for items by simply walking out the door
  • Use in as evidence in criminal trials

These are just some of the unlimited possibilities of such technology.



Ability to diagnose health problems before they surface?.....Oooooohhh insurance companies would love that!

'I'm sorry madam but we can't insure you. You see, you are going to have... (add disease)... in about 2 years and we would rather not pay for that..'

REBEL
QUOTE (MissLadyS @ Apr 21 2008, 10:59 PM) *
Ability to diagnose health problems before they surface?.....Oooooohhh insurance companies would love that!

'I'm sorry madam but we can't insure you. You see, you are going to have... (add disease)... in about 2 years and we would rather not pay for that..'

Good point. Lets also not forget employment discrimination...

''I'm sorry sir the vacancy's already been filled...*(this man is a schizophrenic transvestite)*...Thank you for your application, we'll keep it for future reference.''


The possibilities are endless...

brave_new_world
QUOTE (REBEL @ Apr 21 2008, 08:56 PM) *
Just had a light linked-imagebulb moment.....'Citizenchip'.


Hehehehe I like it!
galaxee
Well I guess people have not read the Bible prophecies in Revelations that stated this would eventually come to pass and I know many of you do not believe in these things but why not take a moment to see for yourself. Letting them implant you with this chip will certainly put you in directly in this book, Revelations 13: 11-18. Even if you are not a believer in the Bible read it as it will let you know exactly what this "chip" is! Don't ever say you did not know. The choice is ultimately yours and I would not dream of pushing my beliefs on anyone, but I do think that you should be aware.

Thanks for not bashing!
Peace and Love
ex infernis
QUOTE
I think it'd be a rather frightening predicament should the day come that all humans are forced to have this chip implanted in them.

I agree with you that people shouldn't be forced to have a chip implanted just like you're not forced to get a drivers license.
QUOTE
Who's complaining, i'm just exercising my free speech, while we still have one...

I was just wondering that if this "Global elite exists" and are as evil as you seem to think surely such evil requires you to do something about it. I mean the Nazis wouldn't have been stopped if the Allies just went into Berlin, stood on a soap box and said "Hey guys, this is bad and this needs to stop"
QUOTE
When the use of electromagnetic fields, extra-low (ELF) and ultra-low
(ULF) frequencies and microwaves aimed deliberately at certain indiv-
iduals, groups, and even the general population to cause diseases,
disorientation, chaos and physical and emotional pain breaks into the
awareness of the general population, a public outcry is inevitable.

Well first of all I'm going to assume that these frequencies are electromagnetic (aka light) because i high doubt that acoustic waves could pass through the skull.
Now all these sites talk about brain wave frequencies. The term Brain wave is not a proper terms as "Brain waves" are what you get when you graph the electrical potential on the skull generated by neurons firing they are not actual waves. The sites are also right as these "Waves" have frequencies between 1 and 100 Hz.

Now let's assume that Brain Waves were actually frequencies as these articles seem to assume. Now these mind control waves are claimed to have frequencies in the range of 1 to 100 hertz. Assuming these waves are electromagnetic. We can find their wavelength with a simple formula.

Wavelength=Phase velocity/frequency

Now lets substitute our numbers.
Wavelength=299,792,458/100
So the wavelength would equal about 2997.92 kilometers at the lowest.
Now unless i'm mistaken these waves would pass through almost everything with pretty much no effects.

QUOTE
If you meditate you will notice frequency. Frequency is how you feel, what you see, what you hear. It's basically everything. Change your frequency, or your frequency recognition, and you are in a whole new world.

I've been meditating for about 5 years 2 hours a day and i have never noticed any frequencies. and using more math we can figure out (not counting leap days) that i have meditated for about 3650 hours is that not enough?

QUOTE
Because the world is made of vibrations.

That's the main idea in string theory, but as far as i know there haven't been any experiments that show that show that electromagnetic or acoustic waves can interact with these vibration (assuming that string theory is correct)

QUOTE
Personally I rekon the government/military have much more advanced technology than what is let out and that they will eventually have us all chipped under the skin. Of course they arnt going to show the bad effects or the manipulation that can be done otherwise we wouldnt allow it.

Okay assuming these chips can broadcast in a 30 mile radius the only way they could get enough power to do that would be to turn a chunk of your flesh into pure energy and use %100 of this energy to avoid detection. There are formulas that can show you how much of your body they would require, but they are slightly out of my reach.

QUOTE
'I'm sorry madam but we can't insure you. You see, you are going to have... (add disease)... in about 2 years and we would rather not pay for that..'

I believe there are already laws in place that would count that as discrimination
QUOTE
''I'm sorry sir the vacancy's already been filled...*(this man is a schizophrenic transvestite)*...Thank you for your application, we'll keep it for future reference.''

Again there are discrimination laws

QUOTE
Well I guess people have not read the Bible prophecies in Revelations that stated this would eventually come to pass and I know many of you do not believe in these things but why not take a moment to see for yourself. Letting them implant you with this chip will certainly put you in directly in this book, Revelations 13: 11-18. Even if you are not a believer in the Bible read it as it will let you know exactly what this "chip" is! Don't ever say you did not know. The choice is ultimately yours and I would not dream of pushing my beliefs on anyone, but I do think that you should be aware.

I always thought the mark would be 666
galaxee


QUOTE
I always thought the mark would be 666


It is just a symbol for the mark you will need to purchase
REBEL

Apparently this is on all barcodes...

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Not sure what it means exactly and to be honest i don't give a rats ass but i'm on my lunch break with an hour to kill. rofl.gif laugh.gif rofl.gif

Left Field
QUOTE (ex infernis @ Apr 21 2008, 08:04 PM) *
I agree with you that people shouldn't be forced to have a chip implanted just like you're not forced to get a drivers license.


You want to compare being implanted with this as being the same as getting a drivers license? I think not, though I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to institutionalize this is the same manner. Basically forcing it on the people. Telling you that if you don't get this "chip" implanted in you, than you aren't allowed to take part in the privileges afforded to those that have it.
MissLadyS
Well I decided to check on genetic discrimination laws, especially for insurance companies and you are right. Laws have been passed but there are still some places where genetic selection is allowed, also in America Clicky

In the table you can see that there at least 6 states in the US that allow insurance companies to use genetic information for their insurance policies.

lmbeharry
Yeah. I came to Mongolia with a dream that I could teach at university here, save money, buy a wind turbine, build a house, and photograph nature and write books. My aim was to get away from this crap in the modern world of the west...
But they can't pay me in Mongolia. So I can't build my house and buy my windmill. So it looks like I have to travel somewhere else to work and save money to come to Mongolia and do the thing.
Remember Bode Miller (Olympic skiing champion)? His parents raised him in a country house in the woods of Maine (I think). They figured it out early.

QUOTE (MissLadyS @ Apr 22 2008, 09:17 AM) *
Well I decided to check on genetic discrimination laws, especially for insurance companies and you are right. Laws have been passed but there are still some places where genetic selection is allowed, also in America Clicky

In the table you can see that there at least 6 states in the US that allow insurance companies to use genetic information for their insurance policies.
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