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By WILLIAM C. BARNARD
Associated Press, 1940s. [Nov. 21; year unknown.]

QUARTZSITE, Ariz. — When the desert cools this winter ... when the burn is gone from the sand and the dry air packs a brisk tang, old Bill Keiser is going to get himself a pair of binoculars and look for wild camels.

Right now old Bill, a retired prospector and one of the few residents left in this ghost town, is content to sit on his front porch, shielded from the heat waves that dance in the street, and speculate about the camels.

He's pretty sure he'll find those wild camels, descendants, he says, of animals brought to this country nearly 100 years ago.

"There are sure signs that camels are in these parts," Keiser explained. "Just the other day, for instance, a prospector from St. Louis found fresh camel tracks in the hills a few miles from here."

Jefferson Davis, as secretary of war in President Pierce's cabinet, approved the plan to experiment with camels for freighting and communication in the arid Southwest. Maj. Henry C. Wayne of the army and Lt. D.D. Porter of the navy visited the Near East with the storeship Supply and brought 33 camels which were landed at Indianola, Tex., Feb. 10, 1856. On a second trip they got 41 more.

With the first shipment came a caretaker, a short, heavyset, happy-go-lucky Arab named Hadji Ali, whose name was promptly changed to "Hi Jolly" by the soldiers. Today, Hi Jolly's tomb is this town's only attraction.

A Texas base for the camels was Camp Verde, a frontier outpost in Kerr county. On the Beale expedition (1857) to open a wagon road across Arizona from Fort Defiance to California, the camels, under Hi Jolly, proved their worth.

Nevertheless, the war department abandoned the experiment and the camels were left to shift for themselves on the Arizona desert.


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A sign at the site of Hi Jolly's tomb reads:

The famous camel herd with which the name of Hi Jolly is linked constitutes an interesting sidelight of Arizona history ... Jefferson Davis (afterward President of the Southern Confederacy) as secretary of war approved a plan to experiment with camels for freighting and communication in the arid Southwest ... Major Henry C. Wayne, of the U.S. Army, and Lt. D.D. Porter (later a distinguished admiral of the Civil War) visited the Levant with the storeship "Supply" and procured 33 camels which were landed at Indianola, Texas, February 10, 1856. 41 were added on a second voyage ... With the first camels came, as caretaker, Hadji Ali, whose Arabic name was promptly changed to "Hi Jolly" by the soldiers, and by this name he became universally known. His Greek name was Phillip Tedro ... On the Beale expedition (1857) to open a wagon road across Arizona from Fort Defiance to California, the camels, under Jolly's charge, proved their worth ... Nevertheless the war department abandoned the experiment and the camels were left on the Arizona desert to shift for themselves, chiefly roaming this particular section. They survived for many years, creating interest and excitement ... Officially the camel experiment was a failure, but both Lt. Beale and Major Wayne were enthusiastic in praise of the animals. A fair trial might have resulted in complete success.
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I've placed this thread here, since it best falls under the "Myths and Legends" category. Have any of you heard any modern reports of camels in the Arizona desert?
The Silver Thong
This deffinitly sounds plausable, camels/desert why not. It would have been a good idea back in the day.

Found this

http://www.desertusa.com/mag05/sep/camel.html
OldTimeRadio

I first learned of the Western USA camels during my childhood, from the 1950s television program DEATH VALLEY DAYS. According to that episode camel sightings continued for years, even decades, but by the 1950s all were presumed dead.
667-Neighbor of the Beast

I'm not sure if I would classify this as a cryptid. Camels exist, and we know they do. It is their location that is in question.
Still, an interesting story. Would be fascinating if they were still in the area. Although, I would say very unlikely. All animals need to drink water, camels can just go without it longer. But in a desert area such as that, any place that has a water supply is heavily populated. I think they would have been spotted many times by now.
Pluto-x
That poor camel looked ill or old!? LOL... poor camel!

NoahJaymes
QUOTE (667-Neighbor of the Beast @ Apr 23 2008, 12:57 PM) *
I'm not sure if I would classify this as a cryptid. Camels exist, and we know they do. It is their location that is in question.
Still, an interesting story. Would be fascinating if they were still in the area. Although, I would say very unlikely. All animals need to drink water, camels can just go without it longer. But in a desert area such as that, any place that has a water supply is heavily populated. I think they would have been spotted many times by now.


Agreed, even in the vast desert, one would have been spotted near the drink.
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (CryWolf @ Apr 24 2008, 05:19 AM) *
Agreed, even in the vast desert, one would have been spotted near the drink.


But the whole point is, they have been, ad are spotted near water. Check my links I posted above. bounce.gif
Guyver
QUOTE (The Silver Thong @ Apr 23 2008, 07:06 AM) *
This deffinitly sounds plausable, camels/desert why not. It would have been a good idea back in the day.

Found this

http://www.desertusa.com/mag05/sep/camel.html


That camel needs a haircut! He looks like Joey Ramone!

Interesting topic though!

BenFiasco
Why its something I ever really thought of but for sure something that should be pondered.. Its funny that such a known creature has become a cryptid in just this one part of the world grin2.gif
Promethius
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Arizona USA Camels, Do Any Still Roam The Desert?


I think it's very likely. there are wild camels in northern Australia, so they could easily survive/thrive in north America.
OldTimeRadio
QUOTE (667-Neighbor of the Beast @ Apr 23 2008, 05:57 PM) *
I'm not sure if I would classify this as a cryptid. Camels exist, and we know they do. It is their location that is in question.


But out-of-place animals are usually considered cryptozoological.

For examples, all the reports of kangaroo sightings in the Midwestern United States. There's no question that kangaroos exist, but they're "cryptids" when they (supposedly) roam Illinois!
WraithGod
QUOTE (667-Neighbor of the Beast @ Apr 23 2008, 12:57 PM) *
I'm not sure if I would classify this as a cryptid. Camels exist, and we know they do. It is their location that is in question.


Well, plesiosaurs existed; its their location in time and space that's in question today. =P I think this likewise qualifies.

I think they'd be spotted by now as well, and they'd be cripplingly inbred, no?
PersonFromPorlock
QUOTE (Promethius @ Apr 24 2008, 03:30 PM) *
I think it's very likely. there are wild camels in northern Australia, so they could easily survive/thrive in north America.

I don't think Australia has the large predators that America does; mountain lions, wolves, bears and so on. Dingos, maybe; but the heavier predator load might make critters that are marginally viable in Austrailia unviable in America,
Undeadskeptic
Here in New Zealand (Yes I know I relate everything to NZ, but what can I say? I love the country godammit!) Moose were introduced into Fiordland during the 1920's, the last NZ Moose in Fiordland was supposedly killed in '39, but last year, Ken Tustin, a Moose researcher found hairs that were proven to be Moose through extensive DNA testing. It is now accepted that there is a Moose population in Fiordland, but they were not sighted in the entire time that were "extinct" for.

The camels are the same situation, but with more likehood of still thriving, due to the number of sightings, where as there were no Moose sightings. As for predators, Camel can defend themselves well ya know.

Anyone believe in the Arizona Jaguar? It was recently caught by a motion detecting camera.
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