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seanph
I just read this article concerning 9-11 and Al-Qaeda's number two man behind Osama Bin Laden--Ayman al-Zawahiri--and fell out of my chair in laughter! Yes, I know this is a difficult issue, and I mean not to diminish the horrors of 9-11 in any way, but this is was just mind-blowing. For those who believe 9-11 was a giant hoax, Ayman al-Zawahiri wants you to know otherwise. Here is what this dolt had to say ...

BBC NEWS

Al-Qaeda accuses Iran of 9/11 lie


Al-Qaeda's deputy leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has blamed Iran for spreading the theory that Israel was behind the 11 September 2001 attacks.

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In an audio tape posted on the internet, Zawahiri insisted al-Qaeda had carried out the attacks on the US.

He accused Iran, and its Hezbollah allies, of trying to discredit Osama Bin Laden's network.

Correspondents say the comments underline al-Qaeda's increasing public hostility towards Iran.

In a two-hour audiotape posted on an Islamist website, Osama Bin Laden's chief deputy responded to questions posted by al-Qaeda sympathisers.

In response to a question about persistent rumours in the Middle East that Israel was involved in the 9/11 attacks, Zawahiri said the rumour had begun on the Hezbollah television station, Al-Manar.

"The purpose of this lie is clear - [to suggest] that there are no heroes among the Sunnis who can hurt America as no-one else did in history, he said.

"Iranian media snapped up this lie and repeated it."

Sunni fears

Zawahiri went on to criticise Iran for co-operating with the US in its 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, that helped to oust the Taleban.

"Iran's aim here is also clear - to cover up its involvement with America in invading the homes of Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq," he said.

This is the second verbal attack on Iran, a predominantly Shia Muslim country.

Earlier this month, in an audiotape marking the fifth anniversary of the fall of Iraq's leader Saddam Hussein, the al-Qaeda deputy accused Iran of planning to annexe southern Iraq and the eastern part of the Arabian peninsula.

BBC security correspondent Rob Watson says such messages appear designed to play on Sunni fears throughout the region of growing Iranian influence, and to present al-Qaeda as the best bulwark against Tehran.

BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7361414.stm

Now what do you have to say conspiracy theorists?!

MK,

Sean
Ghostfly
So what you're saying is that you are no better or different than the people who find 'their' intell from different sources? If the Osama tape presented in June '01 hasn't convinced 9/11 theorists why *SNIP* should this?

Try maybe not being so absolute in believing everything you read and see on mainstream media, but rather consider it?
AROCES
He is planted by the CIA and an impersonator.
As you can see that is all it takes to be a believer of a conspiracy. Assume things, give a different understanding, meaning and interpretation to things.
~ MacDDT ~
QUOTE (AROCES @ Apr 26 2008, 12:35 PM) *
He is planted by the CIA and an impersonator.
As you can see that is all it takes to be a believer of a conspiracy. Assume things, give a different understanding, meaning and interpretation to things.

It sounds like you consider all conspiracies fantasy. Is that what you really believe? (or just the 9/11 CTs)
Ozi
QUOTE (seanph @ Apr 26 2008, 02:37 PM) *
I just read this article concerning 9-11 and Al-Qaeda's number two man behind Osama Bin Laden--Ayman al-Zawahiri--and fell out of my chair in laughter! Yes, I know this is a difficult issue, and I mean not to diminish the horrors of 9-11 in any way, but this is was just mind-blowing. For those on this thread who believe 9-11 was a giant hoax, Ayman al-Zawahiri wants you to know otherwise. Here is what this dolt had to say ...

BBC NEWS

Al-Qaeda accuses Iran of 9/11 lie


Al-Qaeda's deputy leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has blamed Iran for spreading the theory that Israel was behind the 11 September 2001 attacks.

linked-image

In an audio tape posted on the internet, Zawahiri insisted al-Qaeda had carried out the attacks on the US.

He accused Iran, and its Hezbollah allies, of trying to discredit Osama Bin Laden's network.

Correspondents say the comments underline al-Qaeda's increasing public hostility towards Iran.

In a two-hour audiotape posted on an Islamist website, Osama Bin Laden's chief deputy responded to questions posted by al-Qaeda sympathisers.

In response to a question about persistent rumours in the Middle East that Israel was involved in the 9/11 attacks, Zawahiri said the rumour had begun on the Hezbollah television station, Al-Manar.

"The purpose of this lie is clear - [to suggest] that there are no heroes among the Sunnis who can hurt America as no-one else did in history, he said.

"Iranian media snapped up this lie and repeated it."

Sunni fears

Zawahiri went on to criticise Iran for co-operating with the US in its 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, that helped to oust the Taleban.

"Iran's aim here is also clear - to cover up its involvement with America in invading the homes of Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq," he said.

This is the second verbal attack on Iran, a predominantly Shia Muslim country.

Earlier this month, in an audiotape marking the fifth anniversary of the fall of Iraq's leader Saddam Hussein, the al-Qaeda deputy accused Iran of planning to annexe southern Iraq and the eastern part of the Arabian peninsula.

BBC security correspondent Rob Watson says such messages appear designed to play on Sunni fears throughout the region of growing Iranian influence, and to present al-Qaeda as the best bulwark against Tehran.

BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7361414.stm

Now what do you have to say conspiracy theorists?!

MK,

Sean



The conspiracy theories will also tell you and show how the BBC have reported biasly on the 9-11 issues along with 7/7 in London too. Personally i take such reports, where allegedly bin ladin or his deputy make statments and release them on the internet, there is no way to verify their claims, you just have to take them at face value. If people think that a bunch of men could organise something like 9-11 from caves are in fantasy world, as well as when you weigh up the options to see how Bin Ladin would benefit from such actions. Firstly he had a safe haven in afghanistan, if he was going to attack the worlds super power and expect some benefit, he would be silly to think so, it just does not fit, no muslim inthe world who is extremest would benefit from it, instead those who did, are US isreal, Saudi, UK, Europe, by having no one to answer to when invading countries on the pretence of war on terror, which has no end in sight and therefore no boundaries they cannot invade. Anyone is a possible target, especailly those wth vital resources required by the west. On top of this, the insurance companies, the banks all the power brokers benefited from 9-11, so how was Bin Ladin planning to benefit from such a thing. If you gonna give him credit to master mind such an atrocity then you also on the other hand cannot say he was stupid and did not realise the consequence of his actions jeapordising his alleged dastardly plan. Its absolutely non-sensical.

9-11 was an inside job all the evidence points towards it and there is a growing movement in America consisting of the average joe to academics who want proper anwsers, as the offical verdict is a joke and wont even last scrutiny in a court of law.

9-11 was tragic, and who ever did it, deserves the worst things possible. Putting emotions aside, one has to weigh up, who benefited, whats the evidence, etc, and it just dont add up.

Ozi
Eric Raven The Skeptic
QUOTE (MacDDT @ Apr 26 2008, 12:18 PM) *
It sounds like you consider all conspiracies fantasy. Is that what you really believe? (or just the 9/11 CTs)

For the most part, heck yeah!
Lilly
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fullywired
QUOTE (Ozi @ Apr 26 2008, 07:03 PM) *
9-11 was an inside job all the evidence points towards it and there is a growing movement in America consisting of the average joe to academics who want proper anwsers, as the offical verdict is a joke and wont even last scrutiny in a court of law.



Ozi



And whilst we are on the conspiracy theme .I have a confession to make .I was the second man on the "grassy Knoll"



fullywired
el midgetron
This was posted in the world events and current affairs section a couple of days ago. I think this is a case of "people will believe anything they are told".

First they told you Iran was buddies with Al Qeada and that scared to poop out of you. Now, they are telling you that Iran is having some kind of sissy fight with Al Qeada and thats somehow supposed to prove the 9/11 offical story? How is it that when someone changes their story 180 degrees in the opposite direction, that it makes their story more credible?

They told you Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda, he didn't.
They told you Saddam had WMDs, he didn't.
They told you Al Qaeda had several vast underground complexes in the mountains of tora bora, they didn't.
They told you Saddam was going to attack US cities with drone aircraft, he wasn't.
They told you "mission accomplished", it wasn't.

I guess why people are so quick to believe this story is because the crazy fundamentalist terrorists who live in caves, have become more credible than crooks in Washington? Which, in turn doesn't say much for the official version of what happened on 911.....

And why would Al Qeada single out Iran? Why not also go after Italy, or any other the other sources that say 911 was an inside job?

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Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies. In what translates awkwardly into English, Cossiga told the newspaper Corriere della Sera:


http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_solved118.html




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In the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US, there were some tentative steps.

In Iran, vast crowds turned out on the streets and held candlelit vigils for the victims. Sixty-thousand spectators respected a minute's silence at Tehran's football stadium.



Some of Iran's leaders also sensed an opportunity. America quickly fixed its sights on the Taleban in Afghanistan with whom the Iranians had nearly come to war just three years earlier.

With a common enemy in the Taleban, the two found grounds to co-operate. After the Afghan war, US negotiators worked closely with Iranian counterparts to form a new Afghan government.

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So Tehran made a dramatic - but surprisingly little known - approach to the Americans.

Iran's offer came in the form of a letter, although Iranian diplomats have suggested that their letter was in turn a response to a set of talking points that had come from US intermediaries.

In it, Iran appeared willing to put everything on the table - including being completely open about its nuclear programme, helping to stabilise Iraq, ending its support for Palestinian militant groups and help in disarming Hezbollah.

linked-image What did Iran want? Top of the list was a halt in US hostile behaviour and a statement that "Iran did not belong to 'the axis of evil'".

The letter was the product of an internal debate inside Tehran and had the support of leaders at the highest level.

"That letter went to the Americans to say that we are ready to talk, we are ready to address our issues," explains Seyed Adeli, who was then a deputy foreign minister in Iran. But in Washington, the letter was ignored.

Larry Wilkerson, who was then chief of staff to US Secretary of State Colin Powell, thinks that was a big mistake.

"In my mind it was one of those things you throw up in the air and say I can't believe we did this." He says the hardliners who stood against dialogue had a memorable refrain. "We don't speak to evil".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5377914.stm

So, they will work with "evil" to rebuild afganistan, but won't talk to them to avoid a war that will cost us billions and cause untold deaths?.........I guess that makes sense..............As much sense as Al Qeada coming out to defend its "enemies" from "lies" told by its enemie's enemies.

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We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty. To inflame ethnic hatred is to advance the cause of terror.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...20011110-3.html

Maybe the next tape form al CIAda will say the best way for Americans to fight terror is to give up their guns, take chip inplants and install Bush as dictator....................


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In a recent edition of the Austin-American Statesman a book review of Phillip Bobbitt’s new book Terror and Consent goes into how the book calls for the shredding of the Constitution. The article written by James E. McWilliams features an image of the Constitution being torn with a big bold headline that states “Everything must go.” The words “How to Fight Terrorism”, are put in place of where the Constitution is torn. The article is blatant propaganda to make people think that the answer to fight terrorism is to destroy the Constitution.


http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=8315

They tell you the terrorist hate your freedom, so you must give them up............some people will believe anything.



seanph
Even the very words from AQ's #2 man--posted on an Islamist website no-less!--are lies and deceit?! Never ceases to amaze me the lengths people will go to hold on to a particular belief! ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif

You can read the transcript of the audio message here
http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneou...awahiri0408.pdf

And on his criticism of Hamas by audio tape here
http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/29921

Somebody want to tell me how the human race ever got this far?! blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif

Sean
Cradle of Fish
QUOTE (el midgetron @ Apr 27 2008, 01:12 AM) *
I think this is a case of "people will believe anything they are told".


That's interesting. It really should be "people are so willing to distrust their government that they will believe anything they are told by a non-government source" for the CT phenomenon.


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They tell you the terrorist hate your freedom, so you must give them up............some people will believe anything.


Take a trip to the middle east and try telling them that terrorism isn't a threat.
seanph
And some much needed satire ...

The Onion: '9/11 Conspiracy Theories Ridiculous' - Al Qaeda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0

Sean
Saru
Merged responses from "Clearing misconceptions about Islam" thread

Sean please try and avoid posting the same thing in more than one topic.

Thanks.
seanph
I brought it up in the "Islam" thread in response to Ozi's repeated posts stating 9-11 was a hoax. It was an important topic in that thread--at least it was. And I posted it here for obvious reasons. I'm not sure why that's a problem? But evidently it is. Sorry.

Sean
Saru
Posting multiple identical posts creates content duplication issues and is confusing to other members as it's not clear which version of the post they should respond to.

From the terms of service:
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1c. Multi-posting: Do not start multiple identical threads in multiple forum sections or post multiple identical replies in multiple threads. Posting something once in one place is sufficient.

No apologies necessary though, don't worry about it. thumbsup.gif
seanph
I shall apologize anyway, good sir! My bad! wink2.gif

MK,

Sean
el midgetron
QUOTE (Cradle of Fish @ Apr 27 2008, 12:37 PM) *
That's interesting. It really should be "people are so willing to distrust their government that they will believe anything they are told by a non-government source" for the CT phenomenon.


yeah, I guess but your statement doesn't really make sense since its the people who trust the government that are taking the terrorists on their good word (It sounds like when you are on a sinking ship you need to find buoyancy where ever you can). However, the "CT phenomenon" is actualy largely based on what the government has told us.

Anyway, maybe you can share some examples of where the government has displayed its credibility during the past 7 years?

QUOTE (Cradle of Fish @ Apr 27 2008, 12:37 PM) *
Take a trip to the middle east and try telling them that terrorism isn't a threat.


I don't think the palestinians would believe me....
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