It seems the pre-Hollywood vampire is much of the folk-lore and monster story stuff. But there were a lot of intense stories that Montague Summers collected from around the world that could make for great cinema. Don't forget the Christian church and their manipulative ways that justify their existence. The Witch hunts, exorcisms and of course the vampire. All good God juice.

Yes, but the difference was that it wasn't just scaring people it was teaching them boundaries not to cross and 'morals' to teach to say the least and did in fact have some truth to it.

An example would be the staking stories that got passed down, to 'stake' a vampire. Since back then a vampire was mostly defined as the 'undead'. Back in that time period however one did not have a coffin to be buried in, so when a flood came the bodies would 'rise up' from the dead, thus calling them undead. So, when you did bury some one to prevent disease/contamination you would stake them in their stomach, NOT the heart because the rib cage is right there and it would take a lot of brute force...hollywood just thought stabbing the heart is so much more symbolistic I guess.

They staked each human in the stomach to ensure that they would remain in the ground to have a less chance of them 'rising' back up.

See a lot of that has truth in it in order to HELP civilization back then to stop spreading infections, which mind you was very hard. Today it is mainly for scares and far fetched nothingness so you can see why it is really annoying.

But that happens almost everywhere you have heavy rains/floods, including the United States..

Dozens of coffins and bodies "rose up" from New England cemeteries during the Hurricane of 1956.

My only input on this is that I like my vampires hot. Played onscreen by good looking people with sexy accents. None of this nasty-ness about decaying bodies, bloody masses that just want to rip you apart.

soooo...still waiting for your definition of a vamp

Holy poop stains, didn't I already define the vampire a few times?
Ok, fully evolved vampires are a condition of the soul. Their soul is no longer connected to the Divine as ours is, as a result of this spiritual severing the Chakra system is damaged, hence the need to replenish the prana. That is the short of it.
The majority of these so called Psychic vampires are not vampires (if any of them really) but people with energy manipulation abilities, they only associate their abilities with vampirism, but they are not since their souls are still in place with the Divine.

the souls?
ah, so vampires arent real is what youre saying? good. more people agree

That would only be the minority of you who don't believe in a Soul, the rest of us can wrap our brains around the vampire concept nicely.

i know. you just have to have a meaning of a soul, and there are many.
thus why i Can wrap my head around the idea of vamps not being real.

No part of your definition of "vampire" has any basis in scientific fact. Thus, its safe to conclude that both Hollywood's and EtuMalku's vampires only exist outside the bounds of reality.

Science & the Soul
Greater minds than ours are looking into, just the fact that they are looking for something is pretty irrefutable evidence they believe something is there.

Where have you been? This has all been said before on countless threads . . .yeah, no scientific fact for soul, prana, vampires etc etc ad infinitum
And that is not even true, just because science does not have the instruments to measure certain things like prana, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it just means they cannot find it.

DUh hello that is what I am saying...and why it ISN'T a myth that bodies rise up, I am just saying that is where the myth of all that orginated from


As for the other person and all that soul 'stuff'...that is purely belief like in God, but the blood drinking well that's a different story

There is no scientific evidence for it, you admit so yourself when you say that "just because science does not have the instruments to measure certain things like prana, doesn't mean it doesn't exist." You can point to nothing other than philosophical/theological concepts to support your definition and theory.

Because you are making a claim, you have the burden of proof. Lacking any evidence when trying to prove something means the status quo wins out and your claim fails. The absence of evidence can't be twisted into evidence to support your claim with the stale excuse that "they just cannot find it". Your definition of vampire is only possible after science discovers all of the above concepts, which is highily doubtful itself. That is a weak theory.

Good point. After all that is what a theory is, its an idea or concept that needs to be proven to be considered as a universal truth or to become a law. There was a time when radicals would question that church's concept of universal centricity that the univere spun around MAN. and now those radical idea is FACT. Maybe in due time so will this be with these things, history does repeaat itself.

Look I've been through all this you win, I lose crap before on these threads. It's not a contest, or at least I wasn't aware it was. Read the OP and then read 'why' I gave my definition of a vampire . . . don't you people ever get tired of this behavior?

Maybe his definition, but what about blood drinkers? What if I told you that there has indeed been testing going on for years, and by the way there are a couple of volunteers, that have been constantly tested. I myself have been tested for over 4 years straight, costing over 2.5 million dollars some of the medical testing alone, it really is only a mtter of time now. In 15 years alone we've come a long way, but I believe certainly in twenty years you'll be getting answers and that is for sure. All of you seem that doctors have not tested on it, of course they aren't going to blurt out their findings until they reprove and prove again that indeed they are correct. Hell, people that do blind testing some of them don't get the results till 10 years down the road because of the time it takes to analyze all of the subjects and it had been done before that time, it's just the public didn't get the information till later. Why does society now assume that all information is automatically released to them? Because haha that is not true, and I've seen it with certain new drug testing and even new scans. I have to admit some of the technology haha is amazing even compared to the boring MRI scans haha.

But don't worry, I may not be able to supply you an answer today, but in the future you certainly will have one.

That view became acceptable again with Albert Einstein. In a relativist Universe ANY point may legitimately be postulated as the center.

Hmm...sounds a lot like most religions

I never get tired of injecting reality into fantasy.

What we have here with these vampire myths is a working hypothesis. There is a possibility that vampires exist,
but highly improbable.

For the life of me, I just can't understand why this clear, concise definition hasn't sparked dozens of postings eager to discuss its fine merits. It answers all my questions and indicates just how woefully deluded the rest of the world is regarding vampires.

EtuMalku, forgive me for ever doubting you. I'm leaving now to burn my copy of Stoker's Dracula. Then I'm going to purchase the nearby bridge across the Missouri river.

I'm a vampire....in my mind

Is this what we've been reduced to?

I assume this post is directed at me because of the following reference.



You made the following reference to Pyphoria sufferers



Perhaps ask your doctor for a dinner plate sized valium. I was merely adding to the debate? No disagreeance, what did I jump on?



I have noticed a few individuals get OFF on correcting grammar. Bit funny as this is not an english forum, spelling nazi's? but hey, whatever floats your boat. Glad you got a chuckle from it!



What this ?



Seriously? You really are very highly strung aren't you? Bet Eric liked it

So, if one experiments one may find one has a slightly higher tolerance for ingesting blood. The condition is a common one amongst humans - the human body does not like to drink human blood. What would be the advantage to be able to ingest these small quantities of a substance that has many more palatable alternatives? They are not vampires (even if they thin they are), they have slightly different tolerances to different substances, quite normal.
People are lactose intolerant because the required enzyme lactase is absent or its availability is lowered. It is not a built up immunity to consuming a distasteful product.



Excuse me?

Are you implyng all people who contract such ailments are careless? The best laid plans can be in place but a microbe is pretty darn small. Nothing bar abstinence is 100%, or marriage sorry, nearly launched into some mirth there, I know you find that offputting.

You are dumbing down people that contract the disease sexually now aren't you? That is more "dumb" than drinking blood?

Yes, if a person feels a need to ingest blood because they think they are a Vampire, yes they should seek help. Yes in my opinion, they are dumb. Test their donors? Is this supposed to give me a newfound respect for these people playing games? What a waste of medical knowledge. Even more moronic. People with that sort of knowledge ought to be somewhat grown up.



That is right, what's wrong with a little fun? Nothing wrong with closed doors where adults are concrened either. Vampirism is a twisted fetish that should not have information available to minors. Why the heck do people have to go and believe the darn thing to be real and start acting out fantasy? Death is an end result of this dangerous game, as has happened in too many instances. Why can't people just see that sometimes, things are what they are?
In fact, why does it have to go beyond a movie? Why do people have to be these things, why can they just not enjoy the entertainment value? Why do people make themselves believe in such things? WHat is the fascination with killing others and drinking blood? Wierd power trip.

I bet you could, You are an absolute card.

Classic.

I'll tell you now that, that link has nothing at all to do with science.

First off valium won't help haha, I've had that injected as well for relaxation while they were digging into the nerves...but it doesn't make me angry so that's good

Okay, but you're not even really listening to me, you still think that all of them are either crazy or are going to end up killing people. If that were the case you'd see it constantly, and the only reason you do see it occasionally is because human beings like to see gore, even though we say we are far from the gladiator age sometimes I think otherwise.

I wasn't saying that people with STDs get it from sex alone, now did I? I was merely stating that drinking someones blood isn't the only way to get it.

Secondly, who said a vampire had to be thin? Some people that do this are not, there is no size.

Also, you said you have to build up a tolerance, I don't think that is true. Ex. For one day I just started to eat raw fish/meat and I've never gotten sick and I've been tested multiple times to make sure I don't have any worms or anything like that. You ask what could be the benefit in possibly digesting a little bit of blood? How could it do anything! The human body can be very supressed by the smallest of things, and by changing them you can create a happier healthier person. Just like if you have say a lack of B2 in your body, and you are feeling just sooo horrid! But guess what after some testing you start taking B2 vitamins and BAM you feel so refreshed and full of energy.

Am I really high strung? Only when I need to be, but in most cases you'll (especially if you live with me) know that I am a very tolerable person

i believe EARLY vamps, and the legends stated they were more like, just the 'living dead' thing. zombies in a way. slow stupid corpes brought back to life. then eveyone stated changing it. then came fangs later on, and blood sucking, and no sun light. although people probably said you wont see them in the sun, because None existed to come out during the day. people just pick the time when its hard to see something, at night. so they could Claim they saw a vamp. "oh yeah. i saw one! it chased me" "a vampire?" "well yeah, pretty sure. it was at night, and kinda dark though. but im pretty sure"

Well, I ain't moving in.

You need to be highly strung sometimes? Whaaat?????

I am indeed listening (reading) what you say(type).
Yes, I do think that if a grown up person thinks they are a Vampire, my inference would be that they are indeed "looney". The case is it happens too often. Why should it happen at all? Why can't people grow up. Why do people like the two girls in the Vampire cult kill that teen girl? Why did that grown man run for office in the US and come out and say he is a Vampire? Why? Because they have a screw loose. Anyone can see it, they are not Vampires, wether they be dangerous like the cult girls, or harmless like the politician (he didn't have far to fall anyway). Some adults like to be dressed in nappies and spanked too, but that is not "accepted" why should this childs game be? Why should I allow freaks like that to share the streets with my children? I have rights too, and I think such minds are dangerous, and in some cases they are, I don't want peole who cannot grow up around my family, it would be like being imprisoned at MJ's Neverland. If one must play that fantasy, do it behind closed doors, is that too much to ask? Keep one's fetish indoors? Call yourselves Vampires, Werewolves, Glowing Dogturd if you want, just leave me out of it, I do not want to know what happens behind closed doors. Too much information.

And even then, one is not a Vampire are they, merely and adult playing a fetish games claiming oneself a Vampire.

Raw fish or meat is not the same as ingesting human blood. Ever heard of steak tartare? There are certain advantages to eating beef raw, apart from the worm problem, but not at all the same. Human blood is a stomach lining irritant. Even Pyphoria sufferers recieve no relief from ingesting human blood. Even salt will give yor body a big "kickstart" if it is lacking. There are no benefits from ingesting human blood, and it will not make any person happier of healthier. If anything, mind and body will experience the opposite.

Where did I say a Vampire must be thin?

EM - Hollywood theme with puridalan. Not connected to your Portugese group, K.

PS Thank you for including my post. Much easier to understand straight up.

I'm jumping in a little late here, but aren't vampires suppose to be dead? I thought the Eastern European legend was a rotting corpse that left the grave looking for blood. I have seen some folks on the Discovery Channel that say they are vampires, but they weren't dead and rotting. You think maybe there is a little mix up in terminology here?

seax

The none dead ones are confused goths.

damn. my city is Loaded with vamps. my highschool had a few as well

What a shame they all don't want to be Buffy!!!!!!!!

Mmmmmmm........................Buffy...................................

Buffy :drool:

isn't she a vampire slayer?

No she's a fictional character in a fictional t.v. series played by an actress called Sarah Michelle Gellar. But I understand how some peoples could get confused.

Yes, but perhaps she's a real vampire slayer on the astral plane. That astral plane thing is ever so convenient. Wish I'd thought about that when I was nine years old, it would have been great to cover for a bevy of childhood troubles.

lol
Formerly played by Kristy Swanson in the movie.

I know who Buffy the Vampire Slayer is, and I was commenting on this post, because the reference to Buffy was that she is a vampire



So what is up with all the antagonistic remarks right away?
Don't tell me I'm dealing with a bunch children in high school here?

Wannabe vampires usually = high school kids.

Okay, people, you've had your 'fun'. Let's forgo all the snarky, sarcastic remarks and get back to discussing the topic in a rational, civilized manner. If you have a problem with someone's viewpoint, counter their opinion with intelligent reasoning. Thank you for your co-operation.

MM

traditional vampires that turn into bats and sleep in coffins don't exsist

well, thats more or less the 'hollywood' version of them.

While there are a few reports of vampires which smell bad the vast majority don't seem to be "rotting." I think it would behoove any self-respecting member of the ambulatory dead to be in a condition sufficiently well-preserved to not fall to pieces whilst perambulting.

Fabulous posting! You've a way with words.

Hey OldTimeRadio,

that was the purpose of garlic, they wouldn't mess with anything that stunk worse than them. And they say garlic is good for your heart?

best regards,
seax

This is forgoing all the snarky, sarcastic remarks and getting back to discussing the topic in a rational, civilized manner?

Mattshark your post 'Wannabe vampires usually = high school kids.' makes no sense in context to what was being said!

I'm beginning to think this forum is not for me, but for kids.

Thank you. Blame all that H. P. Lovecraft I read during my teens and twenties. <g>

Ah, yes! I've read the collected library. And for me, a healthy dose of Robert E. Howard, too.