I remember hearing years ago that sea salt has been found inside the pyramids in Egypt, which would be partial evidence that there could have been an ancient worldwide flood (Noah's ark). I don't remember where I heard this, does anyone else know about this?

Canals were built up to the Pyramid excavation site to help float the stone from Quarries down river...

mystery solved

*double post*

Canals all the way from the ocean still would not change the fact that the Nile is a fresh water river. Giza plateau is over 330 ft above sea level.

Does anyone have sources?

World flood = Impossible.
Simple fact. There just isn't enough water.


As for salt in the pyramids, if it is the case, there are in fact many other possible causes for it being there.

This is a good point to be made. And more importantly it raises another...that if the rest of the ice on this planet was to melt it would increase the ocean levels by only another 250ft. This would leave the pyramids still untouched by ocean water considering that they are yet another 70-80 ft above that.

Bringing the ocean water up to that plateau by humans is not implausible. Nor is some catastrophic event that would possibly do the same.

There was no known source of water on the plateau. It is uphill from
the Nile and the sea so it would be impossible for their to have been
canals lacking a water source. Herodotus said they had canals.

It's not plausible that people could have lifted enough water to
account for all the salt. It would be a feat far greater than con-
structing the pyramids.

I've seen that the most widely accepted explanation is that the
stone used to build the pyramids contains salt and that it leaches
out. Having a lot of water flow might explain it as well or better
though.

Firstly, I think people are a little confused here...the Pyramids of the Giza Plateau were not all constructed during the same time period. Hundreds of years passed before they were all completed, as such the construction of each pyramid will differ.

to rebutt - The Nile flows towards the sea from Lake Victoria which has an elevation 1,133m. The Giza Plateau is downstream, hence the Canals (ships pulled by two teams of men on each shore) could easily have been diverted.

Secondly, canals were found in the Giza Plateau in the excavations there conerning the construction of the Khafre pyramid.

Thirdly, we know from the building materials used that the stone for this pyramid came from the Quarry at Aswan for the foundation of the excavation area (the others are displayed here: http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyrami...-quarries.html).

Lastly, we all famously know that the Nile floods; with the location of Giza and the Nile Delta (where fresh water meets Salt) it is entirely possible for wind to carry the airborne salt across to building materials, further up into the Nile system, or even the site itself.

Now, if there was some more info from the original poster the discussion could be a little more guided. For isntance, was this salt found in all of the buildings, or just one?

There was a thick encrustation in the queen's chamber.

If there were hundreds of miles of canals then there should be ruins
of them and such have not been found. Petrie did dig up some water-
ways of some sort on the plateau but, I believe, he referred to these
as ditches.

I thought it was common knowledge that the egyptians had an extensive system of canals

remember, the limestone could be extracted from sea cliffs, another explanation. Or even just think how the stones may have been transported there.

Not to argue that there was a world flood, but the saying there isn't enough water on the earth implies the amount of water on the earth is a constant.

There are two ways one can look at this. Either there was more water on our planet in antiquity and has somehow been lost through the atmosphere to space. Or the planet still has the same amount of water it always had, the earth was smaller in antiquity and has been expanding ever since. Compress the planet and you get greater water cover, and less land to walk on.

I had never even considered a smaller planet. I don't think I have ever read a peer reviewed article anywhere that stated that possibility. However, now that you mention it, even an extremely small change in the circumference of our planet would have incredible effects on the surface.

The salt found in the pyramids originates in the limestone of which they were built. People breathing inside the chambers increases humidity and cause the salt to leach out. This is an ongoing problem and occurs in other tombs in Egypt, not just the pyramids.

The fact that rather more salt was found in the Queen's chamber than elsewhere suggests, intriguingly, that that chamber had been much visited by people in the past.

Are there examples of salt leaching out of limestone elsewhere? Was the salt in the pyramid at a steady layer througout the pyramid? If there is a layer where beneath that level there was salet but above that there was not salt, the leaching theory doesn't work. I'm not setting you up here, this is something I don't know.

No, evaporative techniques still yield this substance. Hainz, copyrighted, is my preferred shelf brand...

didn't they use sea salt in the embalming process?

They may have, and if think they did but don't quote me on theat, but it would not account for the salt in discussion.

you've got a point, they didn't enbalm them in the pyramids did they?

mayby it's just from the years and years of being blasted by sand?

#(ps, yey, my 300th post!)

I think it is extremely safe to assume in the life time of Homo sapiens there has been a relatively consistent amount since even during the warm periods of earth when there were no icecaps the world was not completely flooded. So it is safe to assume that for at least the past 200 million years that has been the case.

I certainly would not want to be in your shoes and argue the amount of water on the earth has been constant for 200 million years. To argue tens of thousands of years would be one thing, but to argue 200 million. Have fun with that.

Hey! Did you know that the Egyptions used bulk amounts of salt to gently drain corpses of all their fluids so as they could embalm and mummify them?? Cool huh!

Congrats on 300 posts. I was not there obviously, but from what egyptologists say they did not in fact "enbalm" them in the actual pyramid, the process took place somewhere else. Of couse there was never any "mummies" discovered in the great pyramids so that might be beside the point, but even then it would not explain the salt.

Being blasted by sand would also not account for the salt. The inside of the pyramid would not have been effected by that.

This is what really gets me: New World Encyclopedia: Ancient Egypt
Traces of cocaine, hashish and nicotine have also been found in the skin and hair of Egyptian mummies [11]. Interestingly, as a footnote, the coca plant is indigenous to the South American Andes and could not have survived naturally in the arid Sahara. Animals were valued in the Egyptian culture, specifically dogs and cats. Many mummified remains have been found.

So the implication is that Andean Indians might have sailed to Egypt 5,000 years ago...

Umm. I really dont know to tell the truth! But I thought I'd just through that one in there cozs I watched a doco on it recently. I found It ever so interesting.
On that note I would think..... for the Egyptions to obtain quite a fair amount of salt they probably did It through a barter system. (Distant travellers etc).
They had plenty of loyal workers, they where know to travel great distances to find materials. Such as coins, pebbles and exotic shells aswell.

Thankyou for the link!

It would be possible, for twenty minutes and about 1" high....

Well it is certain that there has never been enough to cover the entire planets surface, even with no polar ice caps. It has varied so little that the difference is nominal.

This is whow they mummified bodies... "It used to be thought that the body was then soaked for a long period in a bath of natron, a naturally occurring compound of sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate, although recent studies have shown it more probable that natron was used dry. This had the effect of efficiently dehydrating the body, dissolving body fats and leaving the skin supple." http://www.mummiesexhibition.co.uk/mummifi...on-process.html

http://www.ancientegypt.co.uk/mummies/story/page3.html

http://www.egyptologyonline.com/mummification.htm

http://www.akhet.co.uk/clikmumm.htm

This is what they used for mumification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natron

http://webmineral.com/data/Natron.shtml

http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?natron


Also this place would not have been too far for the ancient egyptians to trade from... http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9055035/Lake-Natron

As there is a tortal lack of sources here the questions that need to be answered first is:

1. How high is the concentration of sea salt?
2. Localized or all over the plateau?
3. What evidence is there that it is sea salt and not just any sodium chloride left over from an evaporation of water?
4. On the surface or is it under layers of sediment?

"Sweeeet". I got me some reading to do!!!
On ya bro!!!!!

Of all this reading and such, would you go with a bath set up or a drained bench set up??
I'd probably go with the draining bench, that way the juices wouldnt pool in the bottom and deteriate the skin. Due to fact that they left it soaking up so to speak for approx btn 2 to seven days. Depending on the climate and the corps itself.

There is not much research in pole shifts and the effects they can have on the planet. This might have something to do with flooding in areas that might not normally be under water. As far as the pyramids I believe the theories of them being underwater are based on signs of water erosion compared to wind erosion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sphinx_...a#Water_erosion

I could be wrong but i'm quite sure that the salts absorb the liquids.

Carbon dating?? Surely they were able to have studied samples to test this out. Be itaquatic or inland sodium evaporation.

I'd too would like to know the makeup of the salt in question. "Pleaaaase"

You are right, but we should rather say that liquids absorb salt to the point of saturation. But salts are not the most effective "absorbees".

No need to get into complicated things, besides carbon dating only works with organic materials.

Because of the fact that ocean salts are washed there by rivers, and that it is concentrated by evaporation of the water (which then comes back to the land as rain and washes some more salts into the ocean) a concentration of several ppm of sodium chloride is normal in any place of the world.

Yeah I know bro, but it would be pretty rough to have to clean up before the preservation proccess. In a bath its possable there would be a certain amount of moisture, (humidity). Taking in account the temperatures of the Egyption heat. Be that enough to dry up all moisture.
I was just wondering if there was a prefered technique, and did they take in to concideration the climate?
Salt like lemon juice can cook "pardon me" the meat in question?

How did they over come this?

Bob Brier, PhD made a mummy by reconstructing the ancient arts: Nat Geo: How to Make a Mummy; Bob Brier, PhD.

Sorry, I can't find the torrent link for a download. But it was a good Nat Geo special. They inserted the device through the nasal cavity and whirled it around to puree the brain, flipped the body over to let the gray matter slide out, they cut a small slit into the abdominal wall to pull out the internal organs, they used natron salts to dessicate the body (within and without)...

But this does not address the question of sea salts inside the pyramids...

The actual explanation is that sea salt was never found there.

In chemistry, a "salt" is the resulting compound after an acid combines with a base.

Hence "epsom salts," calcium sulfate, sodium sulfate, sodium nitrate...
All are "salts."

Harte

Salt is not just a problem in the pyramids

(I'm not sure if limestone from the Thebes formation was used for the Giza pyramids, but no reason to suppose a similar situation wouldn't occur with whichever limestones were used)

If there's more salt in one chamber than another then it simply implies that in the past there were always more people in that chamber than the other However, I suspect the amount of salt has been exaggerated by those wishing to provide evidence for their pet theory .....

Coolness! Thanx.

The Pyramids of Egypt were completed about 2,500 BC. The Minoan Eruption was a volcanic eruption which was MASSIVE and created a tsunami. This is how the salt water of the Aegean Sea was sent hurling up the River Nile and how the Pyramids were inundated with salt water. This is all in my book - Raising Stone 1 : Paul Hai's racks and pinions theory. My work is really about how the Pyramids were built and built without any ramps at all. If you type <haitheory> into any web search engine you will find many links. By the way, the Minoan eruption was between 1627 and 1600 BC and this was found out by testing an excavated olive tree with International Carbon Dating 104 ... IntCa104. This was done by Dr. Walter L. Friedrich's team at Aarhus University in Denmark. This eruption caused the Minoan civilisation to be lost, but checkout <Akrotiri> which is a place on Santorini Island where beneath the volcanic tephra, some Minoan two storey buildings have been found with their beautiful wall frescoes intact. People visit this site and you can see the beautiful and famous frescoes of Akrotiri on the internet. My own website is www.haitheory.com Click to view attachment

Tsunami was something that has crossed my mind before.

ABOVE ground, perhaps, but below ground is a whole other story. They have been finding evidence of huge amounts of water locked in rock deep inside the Earth as of late. Who's to say there isn't even more hidden down there?

The ever-important link:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...ocean-asia.html

The ocean cover on the Earth is similar to a small rain-wetted rock. It wouldn't take much more than a drop or two hidden in that rock to flood the surface deeper.

But you could not get it out, so the point moot.

Who says you need to get it out? The point is, it was on the surface in the past, and it was pulled under by geological forces. How long it took for it to get down there, I can't say.

We're talking about a PAST flood, not a flood of tomorrow. The water already WAS out.

Actually, my point was that there possibly IS enough water to flood the Earth, and your statement about it being impossible is debatable and by no means fact.

I'm not insinuating the Pyramids were under ocean water, I doubt they ever were. The water inside the Earth was probably there WAY before the pyramids existed.

And water would have been underground somewhere else. It is more than beyond reasonable doubt. There is nothing to show there is enough water and no evidence of a global flood ever. So I can be ruled out.

Yep.