I always wondered why a spirit may stay behind after a violent event like a brutal murder. Then I thought religiously for a bit, so lets say that God is real. What would the individual be saying while he/she is being murdered? "Please God, help me. Please...ect..." Maybe during those moments when God doesn't come and "help them" they lose their faith a bit or they may feel a brief anger or resentment toward God. Which would maybe explain why they are still here, even if they don't realize that's why. Anyway, just let me know what you think.

(((Jaida)))) Good question my friend, but I dont have the answer. I do believe when someone dies a violent death and aware of their surroundings, they cannot just pass over. It sounds sort of cliche, but I always felt they stuck around till some sort of justice was served, so that they could move on, and their family could find a bit of closure too. I dont know if they are angry at God at that moment, and I hate that people have to die that way, all alone and no one listening to their screams. In a perfect world we could think they pass over and go about their afterlife, but I dont think so. They remain earthbound, till someone helps them move on, or they decide to..JN

Actually, I never thought of it like that and you bring up possibly a good point.

People are struggling to survive being murdered, their thoughts are to LIVE... and yet once they die, they do just that but stay and keeping living here, not really accepting their death, their fate- Or refuse to accept it, and keep it as they know it.. not realizing it's now in the spiritual realm, and no longer in the physical realm.

Sorry no offense but this is a dumb question based on nothing and makes no sense. From the start you loose me. You believe in spirits, ghosts but are not sure about God but remember him and ponder on that if a persona asked for help but got no answer. Utter nonesense and pure speculation and I'm not sure why I am wasting my time cus your probably like 12 years old. But Just so you know, your question makes no sense and is based on nonsense.

If by chance you are serious, let me suggest you do some sound research before you throw together junk. Research comparative religion, research paranormal investigation. Good start any way. Then if you still have questions you will at least be able to put them forth in such a way as to not sound like a 12 year is asking the question.

Sorry, some one needed to tell you the truth.

Wow, first off I will be the first to say I have a MUCH more extensive knowledge of religion than you have. It is something I study A LOT and take a lot of classes and also lecture in them. So I do know what I am talking about, I was just simply bringing in an idea. And the reason I put said God in quotes was because not everyone believes in God. I was saying that to suggest that if you put yourself in that individual's shoes that believes in God if that idea makes sense. I simply bringing up an idea for discussion, much like how a philosophy class would be orientated. I simply wanted feedback of what others thought.

* Snip - removed personal attack and flamebaiting *

You have asked a question, I have always wondered about. I think your assumptions might be correct in certain situations. Let's just say, I never thought of that. I think, there are different reasons, and different situations, and different individuals and higher beings that probably have a different outcome in each situations. I don't think one thing is a possible foregone conclusion, but I do think that your assessments are probable though.




I often think of the movie 'Ghost' and how it came to be written. Your thoughts here seem like the movie, in my mind. I wonder if this does happen.

Truth is I've never seen the movie all the way through, but I can almost say for absolute certain it is true..

Have you ever seen the show Medium? On a recent episode an FBI agent was shot and killed in a hotel room, and the next day, she went into this guy's office, and his ghost was sitting there going through case files, and he started talking to Allison about what all they had to do that day....he had no idea he was dead. It was a very disturbing moment, because I've thought about that before. I think some people who die either from something traumatic or something very suddenly, like a car accident, may in fact have no idea they've actually passed on, and this is why they linger in a sort of limbo.

Another possible explanation is what is classified as a residual haunting. I believe that certain events, such as a murder leave psychic residue, if you will, behind. It is a lingering impression of the event, not a conscious entity.

You really need to take a leaf out of your own book, as shown from one of your replies in another topic


As far as i'm led to believe, you've well under-quoted the age of the universe

Wow, sooo Angry?!?!?!?!?!?

Ahem.

I've just had to delete several posts from this thread. From the Site's Terms and Conditions of use, which I strongly suggest some of you remind yourselves of:

3e. Flamebaiting: Do not intentionally instigate "flame wars" or bait others in to making personal attacks.

3f. Abusive behaviour: Do not be rude, insulting, offensive, snide, obnoxious or abusive towards other members.

Back on topic, please.

Thanks in advance,

Tiggs
[Forum Mod Team]

I'd have to agree with Shankpin about the fact that at the time of death, what they desired most was to continue living. Thus, they remain as a haunt and continue seeking help -- or in the case of poltergeists, wreaking havoc.

It only makes sense to me that they would stay, not realizing their fate, not wanting to accept that fate. As sad as it is, but yeah.

you need a reminder we are here just for disscusion we dont really have anywhere else this is supposed to be a cool place to talk and not be attacked!

Do you not think that you would realise you had died? you wouldn't be able to function your life as you had known it. I think, in some circumstances, if you don't "cross over" and end up here as a spirit, you couldn't go to work, couldn't use the cash point, interact with your boss, get on the train, come home to your family - all these things would have changed, it wouldn't be as they'd known it. How could an adult, deceased, human not realise they were now a spirit?

I think that is a good question! Although, from my observation of various accounts and readings, I wonder if we really do not fully understand that other 'relms'. What if the idea of not doing normal day to day stuff, just isn't reflected on. I mean, in during life, we sometimes do these things unconsciously, if done enough. Like driving your car on a certain route so many times, that you get to the time where you realized you drove a certain amount of time and way, that you cannot remember driving on that route at that very moment, but you did because you reached your destination safely that day. What if it is subconsciously observed by a ghost, that they did these things, and don't reflect on it?

Well...I never thought about that....Thats some good food for thought

^^ ill be looking into that...

I think your in the wrong forum bro. We try to keep it on at least a 5th grade level.