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Callum-Da-Grouch
Ok i was wondering, how does the devil choose who to possess. Like Satan hardly chooses random people. I thought maybe someone might have a plausible reason as to why???
headch33ze
he only chooses cool people
Callum-Da-Grouch
I never really saw demonic possession as a popularity contest
TrixR4Kids
QUOTE (headch33ze @ Apr 28 2008, 05:25 PM) *
he only chooses cool people


Haha..I always thought it was a drawing type decision from those "Win a Free Car" entries that are filled out in malls....:-p
Blind Atrocity
QUOTE (TrixR4Kids @ Apr 28 2008, 04:47 PM) *
Haha..I always thought it was a drawing type decision from those "Win a Free Car" entries that are filled out in malls....:-p


Oh my. That's a way to frighten the paranoid.
xFRANCOx
from what i've read and programs i've seen on this its mostly people that are going through bad times that are depressed or that feel for gotten and sad stuff like that.......
or he just got a big wall with a lot of names in it and troughs a dart at the wall what ever name it hits is the lucky winner.....
Callum-Da-Grouch
QUOTE (1xFRANCOx3 @ May 2 2008, 08:09 PM) *
from what i've read and programs i've seen on this its mostly people that are going through bad times that are depressed or that feel for gotten and sad stuff like that.......
or he just got a big wall with a lot of names in it and troughs a dart at the wall what ever name it hits is the lucky winner.....



Wow all of ye have the most creative ideas, i sure hope that dart dosnt land on me!!!!! no.gif
SurfinTiki39
Yeah, I believe Franco is right ( with his first idea. Not the dart board). The most common targets for possesion, are those that are the easiest to take. For example, those who are depressed and not really caring much for life. Also people who are weak in faith of a religion. They aren't knowledgable on the topic, and don't have faith for protection.
Clovis
Agreeing with ST39. Also those who go looking for it. We also have to keep in mind there is only a certain number of demons even as the population keeps expanding. So less and less people will be possessed. I believe they have their own mathematics though. Like the way a computer works with a signal bouncing around through various circuits. Each demon if they want can do the same, sort of like playing pin ball, they stop by and offer a suggestion or implant a thought into each person before moving to another in quick succession. Maybe that is why some people say they temporarily lost it then just reacted and kept going until they calmed down. Though that is not actual possession but the mathematics of demons or demonic algebra.
itsnotoutthere
wait...hang on a moment.......you actually believe in demonic possession?......interesting!
ImaLoner
Surely the devil himself is much, much too busy to go around possessing people. I mean, you'd have to be elite for him to consider such a thing, I would think. That said, believers in demonic possession often think that (like a couple others have said) people are more prone to be the victim of possession when they are at their weakest, either physically (such as illness), mentally, or emotionally. Others subscribe to the theory that it's not about whether you are weak, but if you are dabbling in "evil activities" or the occult in general.

I don't believe any of that, however. Not to anger believers, but it's my opinion that people think it's a really good argument to flip out and lose it, do something bad, and then say, "the devil made me do it". I'm just not agreeing with that. For instance, perhaps the most famous "demonic possession", aside from the child upon which the book and movie The Exorcist is based, is that of Ronald DeFeo. His original claim was that he'd murdered his whole family because he was possessed. He was not. He has admitted that he was not, and that it was just a ploy on the part of his attorney to get him out of a stricter punishment. Incidentally, this is also what spawned the Amityville Horror franchise.

I feel that the majority of "possessions" are really no more than undiagnosed mental illnesses. If you think about it, it does make more sense to assume mental illness as opposed to demons from the deep recesses of the earth coming up and wreaking havoc on humankind.

I could not say from firsthand experience that I believe in possession, nor can I just discredit it either. Though, I will say that I saw alot of people with mental disorders in a facility where I volunteered, and quite a few of them claimed to be possessed. And in all honesty, I don't think any of them were.
Callum-Da-Grouch
QUOTE (ImaLoner @ May 8 2008, 05:17 PM) *
Surely the devil himself is much, much too busy to go around possessing people. I mean, you'd have to be elite for him to consider such a thing, I would think. That said, believers in demonic possession often think that (like a couple others have said) people are more prone to be the victim of possession when they are at their weakest, either physically (such as illness), mentally, or emotionally. Others subscribe to the theory that it's not about whether you are weak, but if you are dabbling in "evil activities" or the occult in general.

I don't believe any of that, however. Not to anger believers, but it's my opinion that people think it's a really good argument to flip out and lose it, do something bad, and then say, "the devil made me do it". I'm just not agreeing with that. For instance, perhaps the most famous "demonic possession", aside from the child upon which the book and movie The Exorcist is based, is that of Ronald DeFeo. His original claim was that he'd murdered his whole family because he was possessed. He was not. He has admitted that he was not, and that it was just a ploy on the part of his attorney to get him out of a stricter punishment. Incidentally, this is also what spawned the Amityville Horror franchise.

I feel that the majority of "possessions" are really no more than undiagnosed mental illnesses. If you think about it, it does make more sense to assume mental illness as opposed to demons from the deep recesses of the earth coming up and wreaking havoc on humankind.

I could not say from firsthand experience that I believe in possession, nor can I just discredit it either. Though, I will say that I saw alot of people with mental disorders in a facility where I volunteered, and quite a few of them claimed to be possessed. And in all honesty, I don't think any of them were.



Interesting post!!!
spikeman25
QUOTE (SurfinTiki39 @ May 8 2008, 12:22 AM) *
Yeah, I believe Franco is right ( with his first idea. Not the dart board). The most common targets for possesion, are those that are the easiest to take. For example, those who are depressed and not really caring much for life. Also people who are weak in faith of a religion. They aren't knowledgable on the topic, and don't have faith for protection.
I don't believe in any of it.
ImaLoner
QUOTE (Callum-Da-Grouch @ May 9 2008, 02:20 PM) *
Interesting post!!!


lol.. Unsure whether I should say thanks or not.. grin2.gif Could be taken in more than one way.. tongue.gif Let's just assume (for my ego's sake) that it wasn't meant in a "gee, interesting.. she's cuckoo for cocoa puffs" way. wink2.gif
otakukid
it's random
Methos1
QUOTE (Callum-Da-Grouch @ Apr 28 2008, 12:17 PM) *
Ok i was wondering, how does the devil choose who to possess. Like Satan hardly chooses random people. I thought maybe someone might have a plausible reason as to why???


Those targeted the most are the ones who ask the question "How does the devil choose who to possess?"}:^)~


Just kidding. Possession has to ultimately be accepted,but oppression which comes before possession is much more common and applicable to everyone in some sense. Also possession is not an act only done by the devil`s permission except in more rare cases but as Clovis mentioned mostly through a demonic network.
JustNormal
QUOTE (Methos1 @ May 12 2008, 01:27 AM) *
Those targeted the most are the ones who ask the question "How does the devil choose who to possess?"}:^)~


Just kidding. Possession has to ultimately be accepted,but oppression which comes before possession is much more common and applicable to everyone in some sense. Also possession is not an act only done by the devil`s permission except in more rare cases but as Clovis mentioned mostly through a demonic network.



Good post, and it all has to do with free will, thats the bottom line. What a Demonic attempts to do, is wear someone down, so that they can take over in every way. If the person gives up or gives in, then possession can happen, or if that person doesnt have free will to begin with. They can also influence people, making them act differently or think differently, without the person even realizing it. Its been my experience the only way to deal with these monsters is prayer, and inner strength, without that we could be in trouble..JN
Admiral Saul Karath (FOTS)
QUOTE (ImaLoner @ May 8 2008, 12:17 PM) *
people are more prone to be the victim of possession when they are at their weakest, either physically (such as illness), mentally, or emotionally.


Don't forget weak willed. If you are strong willed then in my opinion you should be able to resist Satan or the Demon shouldn't you?
Ins0mniac
QUOTE (1xFRANCOx3 @ May 3 2008, 05:09 AM) *
from what i've read and programs i've seen on this its mostly people that are going through bad times that are depressed or that feel for gotten and sad stuff like that.......


Wow! I'm a prime candidate. Awesome! original.gif
momentarylapseofreason
You can STAY SAFE from demons by converting to ATHEISM .

I promise they will never bother you again . yes.gif
Clovis
Some people who think they are strong willed are at risk too. In some ways it has the opposite affect and they are really weak willed in that they cannot control their anger and are really weak willed.

QUOTE
Good post, and it all has to do with free will, thats the bottom line. What a Demonic attempts to do, is wear someone down, so that they can take over in every way. If the person gives up or gives in, then possession can happen, or if that person doesnt have free will to begin with. They can also influence people, making them act differently or think differently, without the person even realizing it. Its been my experience the only way to deal with these monsters is prayer, and inner strength, without that we could be in trouble..JN


People also do this to other people in the exact manner you have described. It is all negative energy.
iSeeDeadPpl!
if you attend alot of exorcisms and are weak minded, then i suppose you could get possesed....or if you really wanted to be you could just ask
LIGhostChick
Check out the link below for alot of interesting information in this subject.

Adam Blai
Jennie 1
QUOTE (Callum-Da-Grouch @ Apr 28 2008, 12:17 PM) *
Ok i was wondering, how does the devil choose who to possess. Like Satan hardly chooses random people. I thought maybe someone might have a plausible reason as to why???

Good question, how does the devil choose who to possess?
You should look it up for yourself and find your own answers. It's pretty easy once you get started, and I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what you find. yes.gif
You could start here. http://www.religioustolerance.org/

You should be wary of people who offer to tell you what Satan does or doesn't do, since there is no possible way that any human would have this knowledge.
Soullite
I don't think there is a 'devil', but from what I know of the subject Demons are supposed to look for something to indicate that you'd be weak enough in spirit to overcome. Usually, this means depression, a vengeful heart, addiction, a fearful lifestyle (especially a religiously fearful lifestyle), or lack of a will to live. In all likelihood, though, Demonic possession was just an attempt to rationalize insanity and sociopathic behavior. I don't think anyone ever gets 'possessed', so I don't think you have anything to worry about.
Katherine of Aragon
Despite my Catholicism (rather lapsed) I'm afraid I do not believe in Demonic Possession. I find it much more likely that such cases are simply examples of rare mental illnesses, brought on by suggestion, religious mania, and possibly even split personality.

The notion that Devils target the mentally 'weak' is a strange one, opening up as it does questions as to whether poor mental health is cause or symptom of 'possession'. Note that authenticated cases of possession declined rapidly in conjunction with the growth in mental sciences. In my opinion, those who claim or are claimed to be possessed are much more in need of a psychiatrist than a priest.
Nachtmahr
To the skeptics:
Perhaps, you should try a ouija board. Ask for a demon and ask for proof of its existence or for it to possess you. If you don't believe in demons then you should have nothing to worry about.
TrixR4Kids
QUOTE (Nachtmahr @ May 20 2008, 01:05 PM) *
To the skeptics:
Perhaps, you should try a ouija board. Ask for a demon and ask for proof of its existence or for it to possess you. If you don't believe in demons then you should have nothing to worry about.



NO THANKS! That's like volunteering to get drafted! :-p
Rexblade
Demonic Possessions were popular back in the day in biblical times and a little after then. That's because when people had hallucinations or whatever, they'd call a priest to conduct an exorcism because EVERYTHING that went bad was caused by the devil. Now the power of science can determine what is wrong with people and treat them. Ever since The Exorcist came out, it's been a really hot topic. But let's discuss demons.

From what i have read, demons are like 10 feet tall or something like that. If they were to possess some 5' or 6' person. The demon would tear the person apart and the demon will go "oops" Also those who claimed to be possessed were catholic. That is why Catholics have the "Roman rituals" to drive out evil. Also, why would the devil or demon waste their time with a non-believer? If the possessor makes noises in the house, or moves things, the person will just move. If the person has hallucinations of wierd objects, he or she will go to the doctor. Demons probably just go for religious people to gain attention of priests to fight them. But seriously, if God is powerfull, why would a demon want to fight him?

Now about The Exorcist and Exorcism of Emily Rose. The first Exorcist movie was great, and that stupid evil face still lingers in my head which prevents me from sleeping, which gets me irritated. Does this mean i'm going to be possessed? ofcourse not!. But.. the face that appears for about a second was a chick who was also Linda Blair's stunt double. And the voice over was done by an actress who ate raw eggs, drank a lot of whiskey, and chained smoked. Exorcist II made me attracted to Linda Blair since she's older. Her legs are great. And her "seduction" scene makes for a great soft *spam filter*. There i ruined it!!!! Exorcism if Emily rose was proved fake, plus the real story of Annelise Michel was also fake. So nobody really knows if possession is real or not. I would check with a doctor and psychiatrist before an assumption is made about demonic possessions
Nachtmahr
QUOTE (Rexblade @ May 21 2008, 06:15 AM) *
From what i have read, demons are like 10 feet tall or something like that. If they were to possess some 5' or 6' person. The demon would tear the person apart and the demon will go "oops"

Although they can present themselves in physical manifestations, demons are mainly spirits. Therefore, when they possess you, they (as spirits) take over your physical body. If they were always physical, they wouldn't be able to enter your body in the first place.
QUOTE (Rexblade @ May 21 2008, 06:15 AM) *
Also those who claimed to be possessed were catholic.
All people who were ever possessed were Catholic?
QUOTE (Rexblade @ May 21 2008, 06:15 AM) *
That is why Catholics have the "Roman rituals" to drive out evil.
If you really look, you'll find that there are quite a few religions that have their own form of "anti possession" ritual.
QUOTE (Rexblade @ May 21 2008, 06:15 AM) *
Also, why would the devil or demon waste their time with a non-believer?
Why not? People without beliefs have no god to turn to when it happens. Also, they are usually easier to possess since they don't have God's love to comfort them when they are depressed or hurting.
QUOTE (Rexblade @ May 21 2008, 06:15 AM) *
If the possessor makes noises in the house, or moves things, the person will just move. If the person has hallucinations of wierd objects, he or she will go to the doctor.
Sometimes, demons(or bad spirits in general) have followed people from house to house.
Let's say that you get a demon in your house, through a ouija board or something. It's throwing things around and you get hit with a shoe and feel the pain associated with such. Do you still think it's a hallucination?
QUOTE (Rexblade @ May 21 2008, 06:15 AM) *
Demons probably just go for religious people to gain attention of priests to fight them. But seriously, if God is powerfull, why would a demon want to fight him?
Because they serve the Devil and even if the Devil knows he is going to lose, he is going to fight anyway. To take as many of us humans to hell with him as he possible can. He wants to be God and because he can't, he is angry and wants to hurt God (emotionally) by hurting us.
Rexblade
Well different religions and cultures around that world don't have satan and have evil. Those that do belive in evil but not satan might have another sournce of an evil entity. So people may be possessed by that evil entity, and yes different cultures have different forms of exorcisms. Some do rituals that involve dances and tribal screams that "scare" the evil spirit away from a person. Some kill the possessed person to drive the spirit away.

And yes spirits can follow people. Spirits are real, nobody can deny that. But they don't have to be "demons" it could be some person that died from a heartattack or whatever that follow people. Also they don't have to be "brought up" by some ouija board. and yes they can throw things. I've heard stories from people that say things move in their house, or they feel a touch after they get out of the shower or something, but that's it. So it could be some spirit that that person knew when they were alive and could be visiting. Also, after centuries, you would think that the devil would say "Ok, i can't win, it's been 1,000,000,000 years already, i get it"

I was just trying to bring a biblical feel to the thread i wrote. I know there are different forms of beliefs
Jennie 1
QUOTE (Nachtmahr @ May 21 2008, 10:57 AM) *
Although they can present themselves in physical manifestations, demons are mainly spirits. Therefore, when they possess you, they (as spirits) take over your physical body. If they were always physical, they wouldn't be able to enter your body in the first place.

How do you know that? Why do you think that? I would like to see where your information comes from.
QUOTE
If you really look, you'll find that there are quite a few religions that have their own form of "anti possession" ritual.

That is true. I've attended a number of exorcisms, of different faiths, so I suppose they all have their song and dance. I've yet to see a possessed person or a demon. I've seen some pretty good actors though. wink2.gif
QUOTE
People without beliefs have no god to turn to when it happens. Also, they are usually easier to possess since they don't have God's love to comfort them when they are depressed or hurting.

Well now, that's funny, because every possessed person that I've ever heard of was religious. I've yet to hear of a demon possessing an atheist.

QUOTE
Because they serve the Devil and even if the Devil knows he is going to lose, he is going to fight anyway. To take as many of us humans to hell with him as he possible can. He wants to be God and because he can't, he is angry and wants to hurt God (emotionally) by hurting us.


Once again, how do you know this? How could you possibly know what Satan wants or what his emotions are?
According to the Bible, even Satan has to follow God's rules. grin2.gif
LIGhostChick
The belief in demons has to do with your religion. If you dont believe, then you have nothing to worry about. Although there is mention of demons in different religions, the only ones that recognize & perform exorcisms are catholics, greek orthodox & protestant.

Adam Blai-Religious Demonology
Nachtmahr
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ May 23 2008, 02:01 AM) *
How do you know that? Why do you think that? I would like to see where your information comes from.

Read almost any account of someone who's been in contact with one and they talk of it doing thing that are impossible to do for a physical being. Knocking inside walls, all the doors in the house banging at the same time, etc.
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ May 23 2008, 02:01 AM) *
Well now, that's funny, because every possessed person that I've ever heard of was religious. I've yet to hear of a demon possessing an atheist.

Who's to say that you've met everyone who's been attacked by a demon? Unless you've done so, there is no certainty that absolutely everyone was religious. Only that the ones that you have met were.

QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ May 23 2008, 02:01 AM) *
Once again, how do you know this? How could you possibly know what Satan wants or what his emotions are?
According to the Bible, even Satan has to follow God's rules. grin2.gif

While there are some things that God doesn't allow him to do, Satan does currently have authority over the earth. He can't just steal their souls, but he's free to tempt people to do wrong.

If you've read the Bible, you'd read some interesting info in it.
Examples:
Possession
John 13:27
"After he had taken the piece of bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, "Do quickly what you are going to do!"
In reply to first question.
Luke 4:35
"But Jesus rebuked him, saying, "Be quiet, and come out of him!" At this, the demon threw the man down in the middle of the synagogue and came out of him without hurting him."
About Satan.
Job 2:2
"The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it."
2 Corinthians 4:4
"Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God."

Of course, you have to believe the Bible to believe those.
LIGhostChick
QUOTE (Nachtmahr @ May 23 2008, 09:51 AM) *
While there are some things that God doesn't allow him to do, Satan does currently have authority over the earth. He can't just steal their souls, but he's free to tempt people to do wrong.


In alot of the research & resources I've been looking into lately actually does mention this. God allows things to happen or not happen. That's what I've read.
Rexblade
QUOTE (Nachtmahr @ May 23 2008, 01:51 PM) *
2 Corinthians 4:4
"Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God."

Of course, you have to believe the Bible to believe those.



My bible (the king james version edited from 1611) says (from II Corinthians 4:4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, ,who is the image of God, sould shine unto them.

So this just says that Satan is the god of this world. Which makes the whole religious thing even more complicated than it already is. It seems that God lets Satan (even though he's being "punished") lets him do whatever he wants. Which is understandable because Satan got kicked out of heaven, or drove out, and sentenced to hell to be punished, yet he does whatever he wants. It's like putting your child on timeout with a tv and an X-box 360 in his room. I wonder what The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Koran, The Lost books of the bible, and The Lost Book of Enoch says about this whole ordeal with satan and god
Jennie 1
QUOTE (Nachtmahr @ May 23 2008, 08:51 AM) *
Read almost any account of someone who's been in contact with one and they talk of it doing thing that are impossible to do for a physical being. Knocking inside walls, all the doors in the house banging at the same time, etc.

Oh I've read them, do I believe them? Not at all. The knocking in the walls and the doors slamming do not impress me. I've seen worse, and it had nothing to do with a demon. My question was how do you know? You, yourself, without anyone else telling you.

QUOTE
Who's to say that you've met everyone who's been attacked by a demon? Unless you've done so, there is no certainty that absolutely everyone was religious. Only that the ones that you have met were.

You are quite right, I've certainly not met everyone who claims to be possessed by demons. Thank God! It is tiring just to meet a few. The amount of energy spent in trying not to laugh at the silliness these people create is tremendous.
Have you met every person who claims to be possessed? Have you met one who was an atheist?


QUOTE
While there are some things that God doesn't allow him to do, Satan does currently have authority over the earth. He can't just steal their souls, but he's free to tempt people to do wrong.

If you've read the Bible, you'd read some interesting info in it.
Examples:
Possession
John 13:27
"After he had taken the piece of bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, "Do quickly what you are going to do!"
In reply to first question.
Luke 4:35
"But Jesus rebuked him, saying, "Be quiet, and come out of him!" At this, the demon threw the man down in the middle of the synagogue and came out of him without hurting him."
About Satan.
Job 2:2
"The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it."
2 Corinthians 4:4
"Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God."

Of course, you have to believe the Bible to believe those.

Let's take it in context shall we,

Apparently Jesus could control Satan,

This is from John 13:
26Jesus answered, "It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish." Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon. 27As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. "What you are about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him, 28but no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him.

Apparently demons could be sent out without harm to the victim, pity I don't hear much about cases with no harm done
Luke 4
35"Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him.

36All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What is this teaching? With authority and power he gives orders to evil spirits and they come out!" 37And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.


And the scripture from Job, ah well that's a good one, yes it says that he was out wandering the earth, but it says nothing about possession.
Here's one that shows God's control over satan.
Job 1:12
12 The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger."

As for your 2 corinthians 4:4 verse, I'll give you that one, it's not the same in the better translations but whatever, it has nothing to do with possession anyway. grin2.gif

According to the bible, God sends his evil spirits to do his bidding, there are several passages to back this up, I'll post them if you want. So, in my opinion, nobody is bothered by evil spirits or demons, unless God wants them to be.
Rexblade
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ May 24 2008, 05:57 AM) *
According to the bible, God sends his evil spirits to do his bidding, there are several passages to back this up, I'll post them if you want. So, in my opinion, nobody is bothered by evil spirits or demons, unless God wants them to be.


So God sends evil spirits and angels to do his bidding. I like how evil God is yet people worship him =]
Aanica
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 7 2008, 08:13 PM) *
Agreeing with ST39. Also those who go looking for it. We also have to keep in mind there is only a certain number of demons even as the population keeps expanding. So less and less people will be possessed. I believe they have their own mathematics though. Like the way a computer works with a signal bouncing around through various circuits. Each demon if they want can do the same, sort of like playing pin ball, they stop by and offer a suggestion or implant a thought into each person before moving to another in quick succession. Maybe that is why some people say they temporarily lost it then just reacted and kept going until they calmed down. Though that is not actual possession but the mathematics of demons or demonic algebra.
Do you think we are running out of demons because of over population or there are more to posses because they are legion?
Clovis
The demons are simply running out of people to possess if there is a limited number of them which is less than the total population of humans and we keep increasing but it matters not for all they need is a few because most people would do evil of their own accord while the devil might sit back and laugh since he had no hand in it.
kizza
QUOTE (Callum-Da-Grouch @ Apr 29 2008, 03:17 AM) *
Ok i was wondering, how does the devil choose who to possess. Like Satan hardly chooses random people. I thought maybe someone might have a plausible reason as to why???

demons posses people with a weakness
such as...
mental illness
or people with emotional problems
or people that have had very bad things happen to them such as a family member dying
there like worm holes
it gets through them
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