These images I find the most interesting! People are just ignorant to think these are the moon and the sun. These images are not fake, their really genuine. My question would be why would artists back then draw something that wasn't there? How would they even know about saucers? It's quite freaky that drawings of spaceships are clearly seen in ancient paintings when technology wasn't even available or even the thought of. Aliens and UFO's was not a thought to these peoples. I personally believe the ancient people couldn't describe what they saw so they called angels UFO's and aliens GODS. I found these interesting as well..






The above painting is "The Annunciation" by Carlo Crivelli, and hangs in the National Gallery, London. A disk shaped UFO-type object throwing down a beam of light down onto Mary's head, is shown in detail.







A fresco entitled "The Crucifixion" and was painted in 1350. The fresco is located above the altar at the Visoki Decani Monestary in Kosovo, Yugoslavia. The two objects in the painting, which could be considered UFO's, are enlarged above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLbII1qjH38

Great post Marcus. The last one makes me wonder if anything happened in the 1389 Battle of Kosovo. Unfortunately Kosovo is no longer part of Yugoslavia, and even worse there is no more Yugoslavia. Well those works of art are a fantastic find thanks for sharing with us.

Here's more...










In the two blow ups (above) you can see that they contain faces.
Certainly ancient UFOs were associated with the highest of divinity
but were the requisite lights also thought to be the eyes of angels?



This 15th century fresco from Kiev
seems to show Jesus in a small, one-man rocket type device.
Notice the attendants' haloes - appearing to modern eyes
as glass globe space helmets from popular science fiction
- though, perhaps they could be simply the type of haloes
that tended to completely encircle the divine subject's head.



Haratonohama, Hitachi, Japan - 1803
The book "Ume No Chiri" (Dust of Apricot)
tells us that a "foreign ship and crew" was once
witnessed at Haratonohama (Haratono Seashore)
in Hitachi no Kuni (Ibaragi Prefecture), Japan.
The outer shell was made of iron and glass
and strange letters were seen inside the ship.
Notice also four examples of alien heiroglyphs



These images from the 12th century manuscript "Annales Laurissenses"
(Latin for "volumes" or "books" about "historical and religious" events)
depicts the Saxon siege of Sigiburg Castle, France, in the year 776.
The Crusaders had the medieval French completely surrounded
when the "flaming shields" suddenly appeared in the sky;
(the manuscript reports this as being over a church).
Assuming the French were being protected,
the Saxons fled in fear from the UFOs.


All of these drawings of spaceships Coincidences or is it just the sun or the moon or some SYMBOL lol?... I don't know...

Nice posts and pics, Marcus.

I think they're spaceships.......

Of course, there's no way to prove it one way or the other......but....it's looking more and
more like the ETs have always been with us....and are with us NOW!

I agree! I think they played a huge role in helping us in the past with technology and building great structures. Possibly trying to help the human race become a more peaceful race of beings. I think over time we've lost contact with them and maybe now, they just like to secretly watch us than help, they probably figure that we're a pretty screwed up helpless race of beings anyway. I think perhaps maybe they created us and love us but we're all too violent,ignorant and stubborn to realize that they're real and always were here. I think they may reveal themselves soon.. Maybe in our lifetime who knows... Maybe it was them that gave the Mayans knowledge about 2012... who knows..

The Wondjna....

In Aboriginal mythology, the Wondjina (or wandjina) were cloud and rain spirits who, during the Dream time, painted their images (as humans but without mouths) on cave walls. It has been said if they had mouths, the rain would never cease. They also lacked limbs and had a skull-like face. Their ghosts still exist in small ponds. Walaganda, one of the Wondjina, became the Milky Way. Paintings of this style that represent the mythological beings involved in the creation of the world are called "Wondjina style".

The Aboriginal people are part of a hunting-gathering society, located in the outback of Australia. Objects found on geographical sites may suggest that this area had been inhabited as long ago as 174,000 B.C. Imagery and myth were a big part of this culture. They believed that "dreamtime" is cosmological time and is the order of the universe from beginning to end. There were ritualistic acts performed during dreamtime, which included the making of rock art. The Wandjinas have common colors of black, red and yellow on a white background. Wandjinas are believed to have made the sea, the earth and all its inhabitants. The existing rock art found, has depicted them as having huge upper bodies and large heads. Their faces show eyes and nose, but typically lack mouths. Around the heads of Wandjinas there appears to be lightning and feathers. The Wandjina is thought to have special powers and if offended, can cause flooding and intense lightning. The paintings are still believed to have special powers and therefore are to be approached cautiously.

Interesting now check out some ancient drawings of the wondjina...











Looks pretty much like the greys people witness to me....

I am not ignoring the facts.
I read the reports the week they were released.
I know all about the writings and the layers the scribes used.
It does not change the fact that the collage of images is real.

I at no time made any statements about the Egyptians having anything.
All I have stated is that expert analysis determined that no modern hand had any part in the creation of the MULTIPLE images.

It all boils down to those who are not afraid to admit the MULTIPLE images are clearly recognizable and those who want to pretend they are imaginary, like figures in clouds.

No one is denying the fact they are not 'real' it is the fact that some believe they 'prove' that Ancient Egyptians had helicopters which is highly laughable.

I agree that as warlike as the ancient Egyptians were if they could have had and have used this sort of tech that it seems they clearly would have.

They execution of the piece requiring massive gaps in time from one layer to the next does not seem ancient Egyptian either to me.

I have no clue as to what culture concocted this or the purpose, or why they chose Egypt and being among the Egyptians to do it. I just see it as it is.

Yes but they were'nt stupid, the scribes wouldnt have just put a series of doodles in mid sentence, it just doesnt make sense to be as it is, you cant take everything on face value.

Cool those ancient drawings do resemble the greys!

Yes they do.......good find, Marcus.......

There is no "massive gap" in time between the first set of hieroglyphics and the one on top of it.

Harte

The site I linked to (Orcutt's site) attributed the larger photo that I posted to Andrew Bayuk, the gentleman that runs the Guardian's Egypt website where, incidentally, Zahi Hawass maintains his personal website.

The others are attributed to the Hovers, as Hoagland's site says.

Anyway, my point in this has nothing to do with whether the photos were photoshopped, a fact that is pointed out on Orcutt's site. After all, the unretouched photos look just as odd to someone that has no experience with hieroglyphs, such as you or I.

I would like to add that Hoagland's site quotes some person as saying the hieroglyps are carved in stone (sunken relief) in one picture but are in raised relief in another. Neither is the case.

The hieroglyphs were made in plaster before it hardened. They are in sunken relief. The "raised relief" photo is a trick of the light, similar to how craters on the moon appear to be raised above the Moon's surface in the Apollo video footage as the service module and the LEM are orbiting and the camera is looking down.

Anyone is, of course, entitled to any opinion. It is my aim to help people make informed opinions. Anyone that takes what I try to tell them and decides to completely ignore it is doing themselves a disservice, they are not doing me a disservice. I have no agenda (beyond what I've just stated above), though I've been accused of the opposite.

At any rate, I shouldn't have treated you poorly Qoais. After all, you did your homework with all that info about the various titularies of the Kings of Egypt (where did you get it - do you have a link?) That's all I can possibly ask for, isn't it? And it's far more than most at this site are willing to do.

Well done and, again, I apologize for the tone.

Harte

Wow, I'm surprised to see the Abydos "helicopter" coming up again! I can't believe people are still trying to use it as evidence of, well, anything.

I perused some of the earlier posts just to see what others have been saying. I personally still believe the image is just Photoshopped, but at least there seems to be a little bit of consensus among some of the posters that the Egyptians didn't carve these things. Of course they didn't. That's just silly. Unless I'm mistaken one poster wrote that this register may have been recarved much later, as a modern hoax? I suppose that's a more logical argument to make, but I still think it's entirely a digital fraud.

In fact this register (and many others in the temple) were recarved, but not in modern times. And certainly not to inscribe pictures of things that didn't exist in that time. The temple belongs to Seti I and he died before it was completely finished. It's well known that his son and successor, Ramesses II, finished the temple for him. In the process, as he often did to monuments up and down the Nile, Ramesses reinscribed certain cartouches and eptithets to bear his name. This is very obvious in the cartouche in the debated register:



Kings used their prenomens (throne names) on many of their monuments, and that's what you see here. Seti's prenomen was Menmaatre. Here's nice photo of it (on the left side). Ramesses' prenomen was Usermaatre, and you can see it on the left side in this photo. Looking at the "helicopter" image you can see how Ramesses inscribed his prenomen over the top of his father's. The jumble on the left end of the cartouche are the two men's epithet's, Ramesses' being Setepenre.

So the recarving in ancient times is well understood but the helicopter and other flying junk off to the right are about as realistic as leprechauns. And that's not meant as a slight to leprechauns.

I saw on national geographic that some people believe the pyramids at giza are far older than what the public is meant to believe. They say aliens built the pyramids before the egyptians ever came to egypt. That explains why the egyptians have no record that the pyramids were ever built. They were already there. Now we are lead to believe that these monuments were built to harbour pharoes, however according to this, not one corpse was found in the pyramids, archeaologists just presumed pharoes were layed to rest there. SO that means we are being tought things that havent been verified. And did u ever wonder why egyptians wore those weird hats that stretched back their head?? Suposedly they wanted to look like their gods who came down in chariots from the sky (chariots=spaceship, Weird hats=aliens big heads)

Source ? i dont think sooo...

Source!!! well it was a programme on the national geographic channel about the mysteries of egypt. There is something similar on this:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=wrYiiqGBWe0
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=OCpNr5EMMJw&...feature=related
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=fuFO675V8ss&...feature=related

LOL I would have to agree with Ге...

Further, television specials and YouTube clips are not scholarly references. National Geographic usually does a top-notch job but overall I'd say the specials produced by the BBC are better. The Discovery Channel panders to all sorts of kooks for the sake of ratings. I have seen some top-notch scholars interviewed on the Discovery Channel and History Channel and I have even worked with a handful of them here in Chicago, but they are usually permitted little more than a sound-bite. Alternative theorists are much cheaper because they'll do most anything to "spread the word," but that doesn't mean one ought to take them seriously. They might be entertaining, but that's quite another thing.

But here you are forgetting a significant psychological fact: for the average American everything seen on TV is REAL, including the X-files....

What do you mean, including the X-Files? Come on, Mulder and Scully have to be real FBI agents. TV said so!

Here is a remarkable video i found about ancient aliens.

Close Encounters

No problem.

I'm sorry, I can't remember exactly where I got the info, but here is one of the places I visited while looking:
http://www.hieroglyphs.net/0301/cgi/pager.pl?p=43

Hi, Qoais. That's a great website for hieroglyphs. I've used it myself.

Nice one Ghost Ship......thanks.....


PS.....I love your user name and avatar.....

Thanks Bee.

interesting.