i hope the following doesn't offend anyones religion:


has anyone ever noticed that many things resembling UFOs are mentioned in the bible, and painted in Egypt? the bible mentions things like great lights and what not, and there have been some hieroglyphs found in Egypt that look like saucers. also, there are tens, if not hundreds of old paintings with mysterious dots and orbs and other objects in the background. i don't have very much info on this subject, but it does interest me, so i was wondering if anyone could tell me more about it, any thoughts or insights. thanks in advance

I dont think there were established airlines back then...

Lol. A UFO, if real, wouldn't be an established airline.

i hope the following doesn't offend anyones religion:


has anyone ever noticed that many things resembling UFOs are mentioned in the bible, and painted in Egypt? the bible mentions things like great lights and what not, and there have been some hieroglyphs found in Egypt that look like saucers. also, there are tens, if not hundreds of old paintings with mysterious dots and orbs and other objects in the background. i don't have very much info on this subject, but it does interest me, so i was wondering if anyone could tell me more about it, any thoughts or insights. thanks in advance

i hope the following doesn't offend anyones religion:


has anyone ever noticed that many things resembling UFOs are mentioned in the bible, and painted in Egypt? the bible mentions things like great lights and what not, and there have been some hieroglyphs found in Egypt that look like saucers. also, there are tens, if not hundreds of old paintings with mysterious dots and orbs and other objects in the background. i don't have very much info on this subject, but it does interest me, so i was wondering if anyone could tell me more about it, any thoughts or insights. thanks in advance

I think no one should be offended by the truth, but thats just me.

UFO's have bene in apearing in ancient times for a long time a good exsample are the dropa disks soposesably ufo's landed 12,000 years ago by the borders of China and Tibet
some call it China's Roswell even though it happend way before Roswell.also some think the villagers that live near the site where it happend are relitaves or decendents of the visitor.
the dropa disk were given to some Russians for them to be studied but have never been seen again.

Franco,

You've been duped by Erik VonDaniken.

He made the "Dropa Disk" story up. A complete fabrication. If you use the search function here, you can see this is true.

Here's hoping they don't get you again.

Harte

Erick VonDaniken stated in an interview for playboy that some things in his book "chariot of the gods" were not ture, after many historians and people in the scientific community didn't take him serously
and said his book was unreliable, but still VonDaniken nor the poeple that plublish his book chariot of the gods have removed the soposesably wrong information.In my opinoin he felt bullyed into saying it was false.
Another book that speaks about the "dropa stones" is "sun gods in exile" written by David Agamon, after 10 years of his book being publish he decided to say his book was complete fiction,after people were looking for
the main charecter of the book Dr. Karly Robin-Evans, but was never found, he was imaganary ,but according to Hartwig Hausdorf DR. Karly Robin-Evans died in 1978 the year "Sun Gods in Exile" was published.
Another story that i've heard abou this stones is that an Australian engeneer once went to china and visited to a museum and took picture of two starnge disks with some sort of hieroglyphics around the disks,when he asked the manager of the museum about them she did not know nothing about them she tought they were just commen bi-disk.Years later he had returned to the same museum and the disks nor the museum
manager were there any more, and when he asked about the museum manager that was there when he had gone they told him they've never heard of her.

Hmmm...

Okay, I guess you have the right to continue to believe you weren't lied to, if that's what you want.

Doesn't change the fact, though.

But don't expect "Dropa posts" to be taken seriously by anyone here that's been here long enough to read one of the several threads where they've been completely debunked.

Harte

Seen it before, just not sure if it's been debunked(?)
Probably stating the obvious here but if & I say if the Abydos temple hieroglyph is genuine among others, then simply put that would mean man-made flight (Wright Bros on) was more or less a rediscovery than a discovery (duplicating/blueprinting hieroglyphs/instructions etc left by the ancients?)...No idea, just throwing a question across. Ancient history was never a strong subject for me.

it has been debunked, read the article here it states that the scribe made a mistake when first chiseling and tried to cover it up but the filler fell out. Another states that it is due to high erosion, if you look at the roof directy above the hieroglyphs huge chunks have fallen out...

All bias aside and sticking to absolute logic, the multiple images are indeed the desired result of their creators.
As absolutely impossible as it seems, a collage was made over the time period of thousands of years with the creators knowing exactly when the materials and conditions would "fall together" to reveal their intended work.

The implications are staggering of course, and I have no doubt that the obvious has not been overlooked by serious minds, despite what their public opinions might be.

Here is a quote that people should bear in mind:

What can be asserted without evidence,
Can also be dismissed without evidence.
-Christopher Hitchins.

I have offered the evidence that these are a mistake, the responses come from respected Academics of a specialised field, i am more inclined to beleive them unless evidence can be found (which i doubt) to counter it.

Repo,

I like the quote (I really like Hitchens) and, though I agree, this particular silliness is not being dismissed without evidence.

Anyone that's really curious about these "pictures" (giggle) can easily find their translation into actual words (not a "collage") online at any time.
What usually is the case is that people don't really want to know - they want to keep on living the dream, or whatever.

Here's one of several links that are in previous threads concerning this extremely stupid idea that shows what I'm talking about:
Larry Orcutt's most excellent "Catchpenny Mysteries of Ancient Egypt."

At the bottom of that page is a link that says "home." Many here would do well to click on that as well. It leads to the answers to several questions people here persist in having, regardless of how many times they've been answered.

That site tells what this [i]text[/b] (not a "collage") is talking about. The full and complete word by word translation is also available out there somewhere. Don't have time to find it right now (I'm at work) but as I recall, a link to it was put up somewhere here at U-M in some previous post on the subject. Perhaps using the search function would turn it up.

Harte

is that picture of the flying saucer thats shining on john and jesus,is it supose about to be about when jesus being baptized.

UFOs in Art Masterpieces
THE BAPTISM OF CHRIST
Aert de Gelder


The early artists, were known to incorporate history into their works, which made them permanent historic records, that were preserved better than other ways of documentation, such as parchment. The previous image that we published had for Aert de Gelder, was muddy and difficult to discern the meaning the artist was trying to indicate. Although de Gelder was known for his style of heavy pallet and art similar to Monet, was beyond his style, and so we went searching, in hopes of finding a better representation of this work. We have found a better representation of de Gelder's work, represented by this copy of an image, below. We then searched around, and inquired about this particular work by de Gelder. We found that "The Baptism of Christ," has far greater detail than the we had ever imagined, and certainly easier to discern than the one we had received and published in a previous post concerning UFOs in classic art series. Some of those details are as follows:


NAME: The Baptism of Christ by Aert de Gelder (1645-1727) which can be found in the Fitzwilliam Museum; MEDIUM: Oil on canvas, 48.3 x 37.1 cm Perhaps c. 1710. HISTORY: This painting was given to the museum by Lord Alwym Compton, Bishop of Ely, 1905. Apparently the previous owner, named Marianne, Countess of Alford, had bequeathed it to the donor, in1888

According to our art specialist, "this particular oil painting could be found, as well as other paintings showing Jesus Christ and UFO are very presents in art until French revolution when the subject was began to be a threat for Vatican (people before this time were uneducated and were not interested in art and paintings, except in the Renaissance time, when paintings and UFO are particularly presents) De Gelder (as Rembrandt) had access to Vatican's paintings and literature on Jesus Christ. He had surely seen other paintings with UFOs and decided to do the same. Everyone knows that Vatican owns secret paintings and literature: all works that put the religion in dander were censured.

Other pics in arts and UFO in history can be found on this French web site: http://www.ldi5.net/ *

UFO Resource center

A = Oooh!! Look!! Harte has knowledge of stealth aircraft! You can tell by the "picture" he left behind!!!
H = Wow! He must also be a football placekicker! Look at those goalposts!!!
J = Holy Cow, what a fisherman he is!!!
S = Run!!! It's a giant snake!!!

let's be FAIR here..? these diagrams are not 'stick figures' in the way that your above "AHJS" hypothesis is..

example


example


if the diagrams were anomolous, this would be a different matter..

True, but that is because I am limited by my alphabet.

What do you want to bet I couldn't do the same with Japanese script?

The "pictures" of aircraft are simply overlapping hieroglyphs.

Not my fault that my alphabet is not as decorative as the AE glyphs are.

In both cases, the shapes are used to write words.

They do not depict anything else, regardless of what you want them to show.

Here are some interesting pics depicting ufo's from long ago.
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Aert de Gelder's "The Baptism of Christ," 1710.

This painting shows John the Baptist with Jesus beneath what appears to be a flying saucer in the sky shining rays of light on him


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Surely if the Egyptians were to invent and know of such things they would have buried one within a tomb or written extensively about it. Also if the Egyptians meant to illustrate such a contraption then they would have painted wall reliefs using vibrant colours as they were accustomed too

The text is part of the titulary of Ramesses II and can be translated as "The one of the Two Ladies, who suppresses the nine foreign countries."

Stating that something exists without evidence also gets you into trouble, we tend to work upon facts not opinions. If you can find evidence elsewhere to confirm that the Egyptians knew of whatever it is you are trying to convey, then i will take it into consideration.

well it has been proven that technology existed and we cant explain how they knew what they did. Baghdad battery? dont tell me it has never been proven to work, because ive seen the Jason Martel video of how he pours vinager into it and it produced a current, yet a small current, but electricity none the less.

and also, how did they light there tombs and pyramids? not with torched.... scientists say that no carbon residue from fire has been found in there tombs, so it must have been lit some other way..


LIGHT BULB!!!

the official explanation was that these represent egg plants.

Actually, the whole "no soot this must be a light bulb" argument has been pretty well refuted - different types of oil burning produce different amounts of soot, and there is one type of fuel oil the Egyptians had access to that produces virtually no soot.

Also, that picture has been explained in the very writings of the temple it is found in - it's a lotus flower with a snake or some such thing, it's not a light bulb. I used to be intrigued by that picture as well, but as soon as I decided to look a little deeper into it, it became obvious what it was - a religious icon.

"If you take a look at the second image [lower], that gives the context of the "mystery text", you will notice that the text is written in sunken relief (signs are carved in the stone). If you compare that to the first image (the detail -- [upper]), you will see that it is in raised relief (signs are lying on the stone). In the first image [upper], the stone looks more like copper or bronze then like stone. Compare in the first image the sign that looks like a helicopter to the corresponding sign in the second image. You will see that they are not completely the same. The sign in the second image shows three hills and doesn't look like a helicopter. The three sets of three strokes in the second image are not entirely alike to the first image either. The second image allows us to identify the text as part of the titulary of Ramesses II and can be translated as "The one of the Two Ladies, who surpresses the nine foreign countries". Conclusion: the first image has been tampered with. It is a hoax, a fake, a fraude. The person who created this fake didn't even take the time to cover his tracks and left some very obvious traces of his 'work.'"

Kind regards,

Jacques Kinnaer.

The Ancient Egypt Site: http://www.geocities.com/~amenhotep/

This conclusion -- that one of the Abydos images somehow had been "altered" -- not only fit perfectly with my own initial instincts, it was "the thing" that I'd subliminally noticed March 2nd, regarding the Fox crew's video inside the Temple compared to the anonymous graphic I'd received several months before ... they were subtly different!

So: someone had digitally "retouched" the close-up of the glyphs. The question now was: whom!? And ... for what reason?

My now-intensifying search for Abydos-related "Webstuff" soon led me to another Website, sponsored by a radio competitor of Art's -- talk show host, Jeff Rense. Under the title, "Hoagland's Abydos Photos? NO...They Are Mine and Ruth Hover's, an individual named Richard Motzer had posted on March 9 th -- three days after my heart attack (when I was clearly in no condition to respond!) -- another in the sudden "cottage industry" of fevered accusations against me over "Abydos" and "Fox." This one stated:


" The pictures on Richard Hoagland's 'Enterprise Mission' website of ABYDOS are Ruth & Harry Hover's ... not Richard Hoagland's. The clear one is my own graphic clean-up of the Hover's second photo ..."

Now, this was interesting ... not only because I never claimed ownership of the mysterious, anonymous images of Abydos ... but because Motzer went on to "explain" how he himself had screwed up the "clean up" of the close-up photo (!), ostensibly taken by "the Hovers." According to Motzer's March 9th posting on Jeff Rense's Website,


"... The Hovers took two photos at ABYDOS, one of which shows the ceiling and pillars, plus the panel. It has good focus, and exposure, but is taken some distance back.

"The second picture is a close-up with good focus & exposure but she moved the camera up and to the right, causing a ghost-like shadow. They asked me if I could remove this flaw, and I said I could, using the good picture as a reference.

"Now, the next part is very inportant [sic]. I made several mistakes by removing icons from this photo. It was a judgement call on my part, and the ABYDOS site caught this right away. They thought I had created a HOAX but that was certainly not the case...it was just an 'over clean-up' of a legitimate photo ... "

Now let me get this straight:

Some friends of yours go all the way to Egypt, find a set of carvings in an ancient Temple which look stunningly like "helicopters" and other completely off-the-wall "high-tech" ancient Egyptian "stuff" ... and they only take two photos of these amazing graphics; one of which (the crucial close-up), somehow turns out "smeared" when they get back?

So you, Richard Motzer -- proclaiming yourself a "computer imaging expert" -- in attempting to restore details of the original, leave such heavy-handed "digital fingerprints" all over your attempt ... that everyone who subsequently sees it immediately dismisses it outright as "just another hoax!"

Nebty ("two ladies") Name:



I don't see it there.

Throne Name: Sedge and Bee
The pharaoh's throne name, the first of the two names written inside a cartouche, and usually accompanied the title nesu-bity, "King of Upper and Lower Egypt"; the epithet neb tawy, "Lord of the Two Lands", referring to valley and delta regions of Egypt, often occurs as well. In some literature it is often stated that nesu-bity literally means "S/he of the Sedge and Bee"


I do see these there.

Thanks Harte, I didn't have as large a picture either.