hello all. this is my first post and i'm sure it won't interest most of you but one or two it might. i don't want to spend alot of time composing it just incase noone is interested so it will be a little rough no doubt. anyway.

for some reason i have been thinking about atlantis lately. now of course this is seemingly just about the most insane thing a person can do if its done for more than a few minutes but certain other "normal" activities i was pursuing aforded me the time and mental license to investigate some activities of a man whose life is so remarkable that it might seem a little divine. he was one of napoleons heroes even.

i was initially concentrating on his great wealth and the reasons for it. true he was not married but he spent as if he was supporting a dynasty but that made no dent in his estate, money grew on trees or maybe came out of the ground? it would seem he had the treasures of a great kingdom all to himself... pretty much.

why atlantis and this man might be connected is a pretty goofy story but just goofy enough to be possible. he died the greatest warrior, administrator and richest man on earth starting from a very rough situation in the priesthood, disgraced nobility and army. he never married, essentially quit warefare, sent legions of men to buy every book on the planet they could in certain subjects and then read them constantly [and had greek ones read to him]. he stopped writting in his journal, built huge palaces, moved masses of people to huge new landscapes he constructed, did mysterious and funny money deals all over the world, stopped the popes persecutions... in short very very aware, intersted and able.

what were the circumstances under which he might have found atlantis? was it an accident that had to happen sometime? if so it just so happened that intent and ability came together in one man at the one time when it could be lost to us for ever.

he lists his greatest achievement [above driving the turks out of europe sort of] as draining an inland sea and developing the reclaimed land. was it in this action that he found some things that had been submerged for many thousands of years but which might easily be explained by any learned man of his times especially one that had noted many huge anomylous features in his mapping of the region for a war he had just been fighting all accross?

being a genius military man he probably would have recognized the massive and numerous ports at the edges of the morasses as the emerged. he most certainly noted the huge straight canals so enourmous that it might be unbelievable that they could be created by the hand of man but logic would not allow mother nature to fashion the arrow straight lines so huge, long and deep.

with his monster intellect, he realized what the existance of atlantis would mean to mankind and in particular the pope and catholic church that he already held no love for. his masters were the guardians of the faith whom had preserved and elevated him, but whom he considered fools... so it can only be guessed at where his allegences were. apparently he chose to exploit it but preserve the belief systems of man while ending the emnitity between the closest religions of his common common man.

his first action was to securely isolate the key which layed on land, that huge reminent of the survivors whose existence had been so well remembered in so many myths and legends. mighty troy was set off on the estate of his most bumbling trustworthy noble [where it remained for a few hundred years unsettled and off limits] hidden in plain sight beside a hiway finally.

the great man now began a process of reprocessing the landscape now to take advantage of the work that had been concluded so many thousands of years ago while shifting and oscuring features which lead to constantly processed the booty that inevitably appeared. the work was conducted by farmer immigrants of the higest character not slaves so stories do still exist of great treasures found. some pieces were retained to protect himself and the line of his protectors but they came into the possession of a weak and gaudy man who while understanding their signifigance felt more compelled to copy and melt down the originals for castle money and in the process condeming them forever as probable hoaxes.

and so it went. everything about life on the sea was forgotten by anyone who it might really matter to. science acknowledged it like you do a stray dog but they could not help but admit it when they had to. recently this was done in a totally unrelated international lawsuit which passed by as quietly as was earthly possible, poo pooed as a nutty envirocase when you could still poo poo that.

but now it seems google earth might have really boobooed. they are making great efforts to fix that up but there are certain problems with accomplishing it fully because certain google maps [as opposed to google earth] cannot be changed nor fixed.

call me nutty. i feel nutty. sorry prince eugene, i finished the non paranormal research too.

I'm lost... yet intrigued, Do you have a source?

if you have the time and inclination. where should i start?

Who, where, when? Your story seems to be missing a few details.

prince eugene of savoy. the banat area of romania. 1725-6AD

Welcome to UM btw,

Im at work at the moment so I dont have time to get too in depth here, but...

I do not understand where you made the Atlantis connection. Perhaps Im not understanding correctly, its kinda hard to follow towards the end.

Your saying Prince Eugene found Atlantis and decided to build troy on its location? If this is completely off base-ignore me-ill reread this later, otherwise, how did you come to this conclusion?
Any links?

Thanks

not exactly. prince eugene found troy and atlantis and decided to hide them while maybe plundering them.

i have some links.

Some Nat Geo or Discovery or History Channel documentary I saw (and I cannot remember the name of the thing - maybe Search for Atlantis of some such) suggested South America, as one of the potential locations. The same special introduced the truth that Egyptian mummies exhibit traces of cocaine and tobacco - and that cocaine is indigenous to South America. The same special showed ancient Egyptian art featuring ancient Egyptian nobles with puffed cheeks - remarkably similar to the puffed cheeks in Mayan art (the Mayan cheeks being puffed out by coca leaves).
The hypothesis: Ancient Americans managed the tradewinds and sailed into the Mediterranean and then to Egypt. It may have been a one-way trip or a series of one-way trips (or maybe round trips). But the Native Americans would have communicated tales of their lands to the Egyptians (after learning language, of course). The Greeks picked up the stories and created the legends of Atlantis. That's the gist of the hypothesis, anyway.

I don't think the Americas makes any sense. Plato says: the island of Atlantis leads to divers islands and then a boundless continent. The continent could be South America but it couldn't be Atlantis according to Plato's geographic description. Ancient sea travel could have happened from South America but if Egyptians are using products from South America in the times any ancient American civilisation lived, it would have been late enough to have record of interaction or trade with them. The kumera is indigenous to South America but is in NZ pre colonisation times, also bromeliads only grown in South America but one species grows in Africa. Most plants have potential to travel via birds, currents, drifting on wood etc.

Let's bust the first myth, Atlantis is outside the Pillars in the Atlantic.
Also, let's explode the first myth, that Atlantis is OUTSIDE the Pillars in the ocean.
Check out the Draa River (Wiki):
The first reference to the Draa River in historical times comes from Hanno a king of Carthage (living around 550 B.C.) who set out for a mission to establish a colony on the west coast of Africa. The Punic text of the record of this journey (known as the Periplus) was engraved in the Temple of Chronos (Baal Hammon) at Carthage. There is only one Greek version, dating perhaps to the third century B.C.. These are the opening words of the Periplus:

“The Voyage of Hanno, King of the Carthaginians, to the Libyan regions of the earth, beyond the Pillars of Heracles...”

Having visited the Carthaginian colonies of the Atlas in Morocco, Hanno proceeded southward.

You can see here how the words "Beyond the Pillars of Heracles" here IS RELATED TO AN AREA IN NTH AFRICA. That's another reason I think it''s in the Sahara, of 8000years ago, a wet one, with rivers and shallow seas. It works in with the thought of the day.

This is an interesting thread though.

Well, you're right about one thing for sure, Sahara certainly was more lush in the relatively recent past. I recall reading that archeologists had uncovered burials, writings, and paintings suggesting a much more verdant Sahara before the Egypt dynastic era.

He found something alien!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for the delay. I do not think I am appreciated by that atlantis project person[s].

I believe I am safe and not breaking any laws by starting with this.

Big New City [YouTube]
Google Troy??


Pannon Sea at the end of the ice age

Google Atlantis?

There was a thread about this temple in the Sahara built around 12000 BC if I remember it right. Its just around here somewhere.

the same Atlantis person[s] have pointed at this thing in the "European Sahara" and have applied the Garden of Yima story. Do you mean the Sahara Sahara?

Yima