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Eaglelox
Hiya, where to start.
Why do we have religion, what’s its purpose. Did we invent them to let us live with each other, to give hope when there is none. I often think we did. Is there really a god or gods, is it ET. they all/ Most come from the same source. They all pretty much say the same thing, be good, dont kill... bla bla bla. There a set of rules to live by to gain a reward at the end. Butt that’s not what they do. No they separate everyone from everyone else. They all have the one true god. Ha. Same message. GET ALONG. Funny words. Yet so hard to live by. Might be nice if ET dropped by and set us straight about what and where we came from. But who believes that. But after everyone kills each other proving who the right god is. Maybe then we can work on the bigger problems, food, water, shelter, education, global change, protect the planet. Dems and reps living in piece. lol. Just the ravings of a lunatic i suppose, thanks for reading.
Will the real true god/ET please stand up? Please stand up. Please stand up. Humor.
Clovis
Myself and a few others believe the aliens will come soon. There will be total disclosure among the governments and the aliens will relate many things to us about our past, present, and future including religion.

Where me and others will disagree is in that they will advocate trusting them but I will give the exact opposite message: do not trust them at all.
IamsSon
Welcome to UM. This is discussed over and over here. Not all followers of God, even the "Christian" God are followers of an organized religion. Religion is simply man's attempt to reach God on his own merits, and as such is wrought with all the imperfections that all of man's endeavors have.
Wombat
Religion is an archaic and incorrect way of explaining the the world that we live in, from a time when we knew nothing about it.

A lot of people also think that religion is more romantic than reality, and so end up believing the comforting lies instead of looking at the evidence.
Watchful
QUOTE (Eaglelox @ Apr 30 2008, 02:32 PM) *
Hiya, where to start.
Why do we have religion, what's its purpose. Did we invent them to let us live with each other, to give hope when there is none. I often think we did. Is there really a god or gods, is it ET. they all/ Most come from the same source. They all pretty much say the same thing, be good, dont kill... bla bla bla. There a set of rules to live by to gain a reward at the end. Butt that's not what they do. No they separate everyone from everyone else. They all have the one true god. Ha. Same message. GET ALONG. Funny words. Yet so hard to live by. Might be nice if ET dropped by and set us straight about what and where we came from. But who believes that. But after everyone kills each other proving who the right god is. Maybe then we can work on the bigger problems, food, water, shelter, education, global change, protect the planet. Dems and reps living in piece. lol. Just the ravings of a lunatic i suppose, thanks for reading.
Will the real true god/ET please stand up? Please stand up. Please stand up. Humor.


If you only knew how many times I have reflected those very questions!! w00t.gif

I think there is religion for various reasons, being religion being there for those feel the need to believe in it or see their own result that it's there, I think. I think that maybe also, religion came to be, as a set of rules, outdated in my opinion, to the human race. Whether they are actually are the best rules, or that they actually came from something other worldly I think the vote is still out on that one. I think we have to remember, that religion has been around for eons, and there must be a reason for that. I think that we must also remember, that there really isn't one particular religion on this planet, there so many, and that should be reflected on.
Yeah, why do we have all these religions, and why do we have so many version of god, gods, goddesses, etc.
Bottom line, wheter there is a divine reason for religion or religion was man made, but it is here, always has been here, and there must be a possible reason for that.
Darkwind
Bottem line to explain what we don't understand at this time. Just why we fight over it I don't understand. I know one thing war and fighting for what ever reason is the cause of the problems with "food, water, shelter, education, global change, protect the planet." hmm.gif
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE (Clovis @ Apr 30 2008, 02:37 PM) *
Myself and a few others believe the aliens will come soon. There will be total disclosure among the governments and the aliens will relate many things to us about our past, present, and future including religion.

Where me and others will disagree is in that they will advocate trusting them but I will give the exact opposite message: do not trust them at all.


If this were to take place Clovis, and their tech is far superior to ours, exactly what do you propose that people do?
I am just curious.
Belle.
QUOTE (Clovis @ Apr 30 2008, 06:37 PM) *
Myself and a few others believe the aliens will come soon. There will be total disclosure among the governments and the aliens will relate many things to us about our past, present, and future including religion.


Where did you get this idea Clovis? I thought you were Christian.
Clovis
QUOTE (Bella-Angelique @ Apr 30 2008, 04:55 PM) *
If this were to take place Clovis, and their tech is far superior to ours, exactly what do you propose that people do?
I am just curious.


I would propose for those of us who have strong spirits to rely on them. We can become like some cultures and simply become enslaved...and I do believe many populations are being primed for this. Native Americans though when at first the Europeans attempted to enslaved them figured out they make horrible slaves. Their spirits were so strong that they simply gave up and died rather than be enslaved. I know that sounds like a contradiction and if they really had strong spirits why did they just give up and die when enslaved but the truth of the matter it was not the chains around their physical body that killed them it was the chains around their spirit that did.
Wombat
QUOTE (Clovis @ Apr 30 2008, 10:13 PM) *
I would propose for those of us who have strong spirits to rely on them. We can become like some cultures and simply become enslaved...and I do believe many populations are being primed for this. Native Americans though when at first the Europeans attempted to enslaved them figured out they make horrible slaves. Their spirits were so strong that they simply gave up and died rather than be enslaved. I know that sounds like a contradiction and if they really had strong spirits why did they just give up and die when enslaved but the truth of the matter it was not the chains around their physical body that killed them it was the chains around their spirit that did.

Why do you believe all that? Do you have any evidence?
Bella-Angelique
Ok, but I doubt with all of their robots and AI that they need any slaves.
One never knows though I suppose.
I can cook some pretty good food.
Clovis
QUOTE (Belle. @ Apr 30 2008, 05:10 PM) *
Where did you get this idea Clovis? I thought you were Christian.


I am that is why I tell others not to ever trust them if and when they do come. When I first heard a Mayan Prophecy in the 90s that said at the end of this cycle and the start of the new one (Dec 21-23, 2012) that good men from the sky will appear and the bad men from earth will battle with them. The good men from the sky will win and begin the new age. It all became more clear for me. I believe aliens are not from another planet but from here. I believe they are just demons in disguise, the same ones thrown to earth after they rebelled in heaven.

*cue in transformers theme for Bella*

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Genesis 6:1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.


They were able to walk the earth once in physical form. They were the offspring of the Annunaki, the fallen angels, and became the Nephilim, the halflings half human half demon. They are known as the shining ones. My post Earthound and Hellbound discusses them further. The Grigori are also interesting in that some Italian witch lore claims they came from the stars.

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Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him, "All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me."


The reason the devil could even attempt to make this deal with Jesus is because the devil in fact has influence in the governments of the world. Then as now. Ephesians 6:8 offers more insight and in some versions of the Bible calls them the 'principalities' of the air and the 'rulers of the darkness of this world' among other things.

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Matthew 24:24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.


Compare this to the Benjamin Creme's Maitreya who on the Day of Delcaration according to some will be a day when religious statues and pictures of holy icons will speak and say this man is blessed and we should follow him. This is what Benjamin Creme's own organization's websites says:
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On this Day of Declaration, we will see his face on the television screen wherever we have access. The biblical statement, "All eyes will see him," will be fulfilled, in the only way in which it can be fulfilled. We will see his face, but he will not speak. His thoughts, his ideas, his call to humanity for justice, sharing, right relationships and peace, will take place silently, telepathically. Each of us will hear him inwardly in our own language. In this way, he will re-enact on a worldwide scale the true happenings of Pentecost 2,000 years ago. At the same time, the energy which he embodies ― the Christ Principle, the energy of love ― will flow out in tremendous potency through the hearts of all humanity. He has said: "It will be as if I embrace the world. People will feel it even physically." This will evoke an intuitive, heartfelt response to his message. Simultaneously, on the outer, physical plane, there will be hundreds of thousands of miracle healings throughout the planet. In these three ways we will know that Maitreya is the World Teacher, come for all groups, religious and non-religious alike.


http://www.shareintl.org/maitreya/Ma_emerge.htm
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Revelation 13:3 ...and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. 4 And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?"


I of course am not going to try and guess who exactly are the aliens and who is maitreya in all this, if it is even going to happen, but if it does in our lifetime we know most of the world will believe in them. I encourage all not to.

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Revelation 13:7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, 8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it


The ones who refuse to follow them will be the ones who they, the aliens and their followers, will make war with, the saints.

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Revelation 13:10 If anyone is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes; if anyone is to be slain with the sword, with the sword must he be slain. Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.


This is encouragement for those who refuse. If we are taken captive or die then do not fear it.

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Revelation 13:13 It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people, 14 and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.


Fire coming down from heaven sounds familiar but I will not claim anyone has to believe as I do. Neither will I try to convince anyone I am simply sharing my beliefs. These are my beliefs and maybe none of it will come to pass but if it does I will be mentally prepared and will not be enslaved in spirit.

Some might wonder how demons, who are just spirits, will be able to take physical form again. It is because God will remove His Spirit from the Earth. It will no longer be here to comfort us. It will allow the demons to do as they please for a short time. In essence by removing His Spirit He is giving Satan permission to have one last try at humanity. In the end they will be defeated by Christ.

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2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
churchanddestroy
Well Clovis, you need not fear nor warn this Deist, because I will never bow down before a human being who claims to be God. You have my word on that.
Clovis
Well I am sure that Jefferson, the most famous Deist that I know of, would have shared in your sentiment through and through.
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
QUOTE (churchanddestroy @ Apr 30 2008, 07:50 PM) *
Well Clovis, you need not fear nor warn this Deist, because I will never bow down before a human being who claims to be God. You have my word on that.

Nor I for that reason....

churchanddestroy
QUOTE (WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT @ Apr 30 2008, 07:15 PM) *
Nor I for that reason....

Ah, its always good to find like minded people around and about. Hullo fellow like minded person!
Eaglelox
Thank you, i like this site. very diff than some of the other sites iv seen. people do alot of research and dont all belive what they want or what they were taught to.
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
QUOTE (churchanddestroy @ Apr 30 2008, 10:12 PM) *
Ah, its always good to find like minded people around and about. Hullo fellow like minded person!

Blessings to you!
WEREGIRL666
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it was yester day but happy satanic new year!!!
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